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(Reason Magazine)   Ron Paul likely to be excluded from the NH ABC and FOX debates. Dozens of Paul supporters feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if dozens of voices cried out in terror from their mothers' basement and were suddenly silenced   (reason.com) divider line 145
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2008-01-02 01:31:39 PM  
Ron Paul
 
2008-01-02 01:38:13 PM  
Why? What legitimate reason is there to do this?

It makes it truly obvious just how controlled and out-of-our hands elected officials really are. Deity forbid the people actually select a president that wasn't pre-chosen for them.

I'd hate for another republican to win the election, but I may very well "waste" my vote and write-in Ron Paul if this shiat keeps up.
 
2008-01-02 01:51:57 PM  
Real Clear Politics averages the results of several polls and has Paul pulling in 6.5% in New Hampshire (new window) and Fred Thompson pulling in just 2.8%. Nationally (new window), though, Fred does much better. So I guess it is a case of Paul being non-viable nationally even though he does much better in NH.
 
2008-01-02 02:12:42 PM  
Talon: Why? What legitimate reason is there to do this?

It makes it truly obvious just how controlled and out-of-our hands elected officials really are. Deity forbid the people actually select a president that wasn't pre-chosen for them.

I'd hate for another republican to win the election, but I may very well "waste" my vote and write-in Ron Paul if this shiat keeps up.


Ya, I don't understand why people think it's funny or cute that he's running. He's the closest thing to a person we would want as president running this cycle.
 
2008-01-02 02:16:24 PM  
He's a freak who makes Ross Perot seem almost viable.

Jeb Bush is more electable than Ron Paul. Get over it.
 
2008-01-02 02:29:58 PM  
Here's an idea.

Tell the pollsters, when they call you, that you support Ron Paul.

Because apparently you guys aren't doing that.
 
2008-01-02 02:46:12 PM  
dameron: Tell the pollsters, when they call you, that you support Ron Paul.

Ron Paul supporters can't use phones because they aren't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.
 
2008-01-02 02:49:18 PM  
RuPaul would make a better president than Ron Paul
 
2008-01-02 02:58:57 PM  
I would love a Ron Paul presidency. The amount of wackiness that would ensue would be a festival for a news junkie like me.
 
2008-01-02 03:30:29 PM  
This will last about one news cycle after he finishes fourth in Iowa, ahead of a few people they're going to let on the stage anyway. Then they'll let him in, editorializing as they do so about how freakin' committed to democracy they are, gosh darn it, and that they just couldn't bear not to have him.

In the meantime, people will talk about FOX News and ABC a lot, which is good for the networks. It's even better for Ron Paul, who has little to gain from being heard but everything to gain from being "oppressed" or "censored." Unfortunately for Paul, he really has earned the right to appear in those debates.
 
2008-01-02 03:41:15 PM  
wrek: Ron Paul

Steve Holt!!!
 
2008-01-02 04:03:48 PM  
Ron Paul will almost certainly meet the criteria for the ABC debate. As for Fox News, they're insane if they think Paul won't place in at least the top 5. If he places in the top 3, which is entirely possible, they'll have little choice but to make room for him.
 
2008-01-02 04:12:55 PM  
owned.
 
2008-01-02 04:13:18 PM  
You know, when I saw the banner AD at the top of the main page for the NH debates, About 8 candidate heads go by and Paul is one of them.

So if he's not there someone should get ABC for false advertising or something :-D
 
2008-01-02 04:13:45 PM  
Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had bellies with stars. The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars.
 
2008-01-02 04:13:58 PM  
Ron Paul
 
2008-01-02 04:15:19 PM  
benlonghair: Talon: Why? What legitimate reason is there to do this?

It makes it truly obvious just how controlled and out-of-our hands elected officials really are. Deity forbid the people actually select a president that wasn't pre-chosen for them.

I'd hate for another republican to win the election, but I may very well "waste" my vote and write-in Ron Paul if this shiat keeps up.

Ya, I don't understand why people think it's funny or cute that he's running. He's the closest thing to a person I would want as president running this cycle.




FTFY
 
2008-01-02 04:15:46 PM  
Confabulat: I would love a Ron Paul presidency. The amount of wackiness that would ensue would be a festival for a news junkie like me.

Haven't you gotten your fill of wackiness from the current administration??
 
2008-01-02 04:15:56 PM  
I went to pick up two of my nieces from the albany airport a couple weeks ago and a I saw about 50 people holding Ron Paul signs, he may not have alot of backers but the ones he does have are working overtime...
 
2008-01-02 04:16:35 PM  
swordattheready.files.wordpress.com
 
2008-01-02 04:16:46 PM  
Why don't they go by donations and not random polls? If a candidate is bringing in a lot of money, they should be allowed to debate. I understand there are time limits, but I don't understand not letting someone who people are giving money to not participate.
 
2008-01-02 04:17:34 PM  
Ron Paul
 
2008-01-02 04:17:41 PM  
Republicans vote Bible before Constitution because they are dirty sleazy traitors.

FOX is no different.
 
2008-01-02 04:19:19 PM  
7of7: dameron: Tell the pollsters, when they call you, that you support Ron Paul.

Ron Paul supporters can't use phones because they aren't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.


I kind of like Ron Paul, but that was funny.

I'm not sure if he would get my vote, but he's certainly the best of the Republican candidates.
 
2008-01-02 04:20:21 PM  
I think Paul is ridiculous and basically has no chance, but I do think it is crappy that he is being excluded from this debate, when jokes like Fred Thompson are allowed in.

Before the primaries, it should be every nutbad for themselves and let us decide who we like.
 
2008-01-02 04:20:24 PM  
If Ron Paul is good enough for Anisa Abd El-Fattah (PoP), then he should be good enough for everybody!

Personally, I welcome our potential new Ronulan overlords

mackers-world.com
 
2008-01-02 04:20:30 PM  
LOLZ THEY LIVE IN THE BASEMENTZ
 
2008-01-02 04:20:54 PM  
EmmaLou: Why don't they go by donations and not random polls? If a candidate is bringing in a lot of money, they should be allowed to debate. I understand there are time limits, but I don't understand not letting someone who people are giving money to not participate.

Because it would allow people to buy their way into a debate. Why not just use all of that money to buy ads during the debate?
 
2008-01-02 04:21:32 PM  
These last-minute exclusions could actually help Ron Paul.

They have infuriated his supporters, which will help ensure that they show up to vote in the primaries. What better cure for apathy is there than anger?

His 4th quarter fundraising success will keep his name in the news regardless of the debate exclusions. This will make GOP voters wonder why he's not on TV. Which brings me to my next point....

Many GOP primary voters distrust the MSM and will be more likely to consider voting for Ron Paul if he is obviously being excluded unfairly from the MSM because of his classic conservative beliefs. The average GOP voter loves to hate a MSM conspiracy, especially when it's against a real conservative.
 
2008-01-02 04:22:17 PM  
I've seen paul supporters all over the place.
they're pretty damn motivated. I respect what they've got goin' good for them.

of course, I still don't agree with many of their candidate's positions so...

it's not really fair that they've gotten the stereotype of coming from mom's basement just because some idiots who happen to support paul attracted so much attention.
funny, but not fair.
 
2008-01-02 04:22:42 PM  
I love how the same people who say Ron Paul is wacky, think spending the country into oblivion and is ok as long as the candidate will let them have an abortion.
 
2008-01-02 04:22:47 PM  
Bacontastesgood: I think Paul is ridiculous and basically has no chance, but I do think it is crappy that he is being excluded from this debate, when jokes like Fred Thompson are allowed in.

Before the primaries, it should be every nutbad for themselves and let us decide who we like.


Don't worry, Thompson is going to drop out after Iowa, leaving a spot for Mr Paul.
 
2008-01-02 04:23:25 PM  
Executive Monkey: Many GOP primary voters distrust the MSM

but FOX News is fair and balanced and not part of the spooky MSM...
 
2008-01-02 04:25:10 PM  
aycu38.webshots.com
 
2008-01-02 04:25:52 PM  
All the anti-Ron Paul posts here daily on Fark have actually convinved me to vote for him.

If the mods/Drew hate him, he HAS to be good.
 
2008-01-02 04:26:20 PM  
Two Dogs Farking: RuPaul would make a better president than Ron Paul

"
 
2008-01-02 04:26:42 PM  
broomballwilson: I love how the same people who say Ron Paul is wacky, think spending the country into oblivion and is ok as long as the candidate will let them have an abortion.

I'm sorry, but didn't the last Democrat in the White House actually have a budget surplus while in office?

from this chart, it would appear that it the Republican Party who enjoys spending the country into oblivion:

www.headybrew.net
 
2008-01-02 04:26:46 PM  
dameron: Here's an idea.

Tell the pollsters, when they call you, that you support Ron Paul.

Because apparently you guys aren't doing that.


I'm not 85 years old and I don't have a landline, why would the pollsters call me?
 
2008-01-02 04:26:51 PM  
7of7: Ron Paul supporters can't use phones because they aren't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

Awesome :)
 
2008-01-02 04:27:42 PM  
broomballwilson: I love how the same people who say Ron Paul is wacky, think spending the country into oblivion and is ok as long as the candidate will let them have an abortion machine guns.

either way, really.
 
2008-01-02 04:28:46 PM  
sasquatchologist: If the mods/Drew hate him, he HAS to be good.

Drew's actually donated to Ron Paul. Obama, too, though.
 
2008-01-02 04:30:25 PM  
Bildo: Jeb Bush is more electable than Ron Paul.

Don't worry, you'll see Bush III right after Clinton II.
 
2008-01-02 04:30:45 PM  
sasquatchologist: All the anti-Ron Paul posts here daily on Fark have actually convinved me to vote for him.

If the mods/Drew hate him, he HAS to be good.


You'll also need to go to Duke and become French.
 
2008-01-02 04:31:00 PM  
Oh, let him in. His fundraising's earned him a seat at the debates.
 
2008-01-02 04:31:48 PM  
Has anyone mentioned Ron Paul yet?
 
hej
2008-01-02 04:33:46 PM  
dameron: Here's an idea.

Tell the pollsters, when they call you, that you support Ron Paul.

Because apparently you guys aren't doing that.


Don't the pollsters have to call me for that to happen? Like may others, I only have a cell phone.
 
2008-01-02 04:33:56 PM  
But he has a blimp...
 
2008-01-02 04:35:29 PM  
With McCain's New Hampshire numbers looking as good as they do, Huckabee's big gains in Iowa polls, and Rudy slipping I think this could be just about anyone's game. Paul's problem isn't that he isn't a serious candidate, it's that he makes the rest of them look like hypocrites.

I don't agree with a lot of his positions and I'm certainly not voting for him but he's a conservative and the rest are just Republicans.
 
hej
2008-01-02 04:35:47 PM  
Cowboy Spencer: 7of7: Ron Paul supporters can't use phones because they aren't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

Awesome :)


And comletely original.

/no, seriously, the 'not mentioned in the constitution' jokes are comedy gold.
 
2008-01-02 04:36:42 PM  
Never Trust Robots: broomballwilson: I love how the same people who say Ron Paul is wacky, think spending the country into oblivion and is ok as long as the candidate will let them have an abortion.

I'm sorry, but didn't the last Democrat in the White House actually have a budget surplus while in office?

from this chart, it would appear that it the Republican Party who enjoys spending the country into oblivion:


That graph is more than a year old. Could you find something newer?
 
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