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(Tucson Citizen)   Gravity still working fine. Random New Year's Eve gunfire injures girl when bullet crashes through ceiling   (tucsoncitizen.com) divider line 134
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2008-01-01 11:07:01 PM  
Unlikely. This is an old myth that has been proven false many times.
 
2008-01-01 11:28:21 PM  
madcharlie: Unlikely. This is an old myth that has been proven false many times.

This is true. Hasn't anyone ever told Subby that gravity is just a theory, not a fact?
 
2008-01-01 11:32:43 PM  
Bullets fire out into space and then burn up in the atmosphere.
 
2008-01-01 11:46:40 PM  
madcharlie: Unlikely. This is an old myth that has been proven false many times.

I'm not about to take a .30 caliber 200 grain bullet traveling 300fps to the head to test this out.
 
2008-01-02 12:13:00 AM  
Gravity is just a theory.
 
2008-01-02 12:13:14 AM  
I see your gunshot casualty and raise you 450+ fireworks injuries:
Link (new window)

I have a friend who moved over to the Philippines when the company we worked for outsourced everyone here. He says that every year there are TONS of New Year's injuries - most of them go unreported. There are usually some deaths too, due to "homemade" fireworks.

Imagine that: "Happy new Year! Here, have a searing gunpowder burn to go with your celebrations because your neighbor is a fuktard and made his own fireworks by dumping the flammable portions of store-bought fireworks into a tin can along with some gasoline and food coloring!"
 
2008-01-02 12:15:55 AM  
madcharlie: Unlikely. This is an old myth that has been proven false many times.

Not acording to Mythbusters.

/got a MSA balistic helmet for x-mas just in case.
 
2008-01-02 12:28:17 AM  
Poor girl. :(

A few days ago, my police department issued a reverse 911 call reminding citizens it's a crime to fire a gun in celebration of the new year. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry after the message played.
 
2008-01-02 12:35:19 AM  
T.M.S.: Not acording to Mythbusters.

I vaguely remember that episode, but I thought they decided that the only way it could kill somebody was if it happened to hit them in an extremely vulnerable spot such as the eye. What I'm thinking here is that it would take a hell of a bullet to fall out of the sky, through a roof, and do any serious damage.
 
2008-01-02 12:36:02 AM  
Celebratory gunfire: Proof the world isn't culling the shallow end of the gene pool fast enough.
 
2008-01-02 01:01:39 AM  
UNC_Samurai: Celebratory gunfire: Proof the world isn't culling the shallow end of the gene pool fast enough.

There's nothing really wrong with celebratory gun fire. You just need to make sure you're pointing the firearm in a safe direction. The safest direction being DOWN.

madcharlie: What I'm thinking here is that it would take a hell of a bullet to fall out of the sky, through a roof, and do any serious damage.

A .30 caliber rifle bullet fallilng at terminal velocity will be about 300fps. That's about 1/3rd the speed of a 230 grain .45 ACP (think Colt .45) at the muzzle. Now, threre a number of .30 caliber rifle bulets out there, but it's not uncommon to see them in the 180-200 grain region, almost as heavy as your stock .45ACP round and it's traveling just a little north of 200 mph.

There's no way anybody can look at those numbers and say, "Nah, that can't ever be fatal."
 
2008-01-02 01:10:23 AM  
submitter: Gravity Intelligent Suck still working fine. Random New Year's Eve gunfire injures girl when bullet crashes through ceiling

T,FTFY.
 
2008-01-02 01:11:28 AM  
Tarkus: Gravity is just a theory.

Yes, it is. We can predict gravity's effect on various object quite accurately in every manner which we will encounter in human life but it breaks right the fark down once we start looking at atomic and subatomic particles.

Hence, gravity is a theory, not a law.
 
2008-01-02 01:11:34 AM  
I thought people only did this in Third World countries? What the hell? Backasswards people.
 
2008-01-02 01:27:35 AM  
madcharlie: T.M.S.: Not acording to Mythbusters.

I vaguely remember that episode, but I thought they decided that the only way it could kill somebody was if it happened to hit them in an extremely vulnerable spot such as the eye. What I'm thinking here is that it would take a hell of a bullet to fall out of the sky, through a roof, and do any serious damage.


Straight up and the bullet falls slowly.

At any angle less than 90 degrees to the surface the bullet continues the path with lethal velocity.

We will cover our heads so you can have fun with your guns.

Please continue to enedanger us. We
 
2008-01-02 01:57:59 AM  
 
2008-01-02 02:09:53 AM  
From Mythbusters central: if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact.

Please do keep shooting into the air. We all want to use our heads to verify they are wrong. It is just a silly TV show afterall.

You have guns. We envy you for that. You know better than us.

Deadeyedick is just a story.
 
2008-01-02 02:20:06 AM  
madcharlie: if it happened to hit them in an extremely vulnerable spot such as the eye.

I thought that was the "dropping a penny off the empre state building" myth.
 
2008-01-02 02:46:14 AM  
FTFA: A bullet can travel as far as two miles up in the air, he explained, and "what goes up must come down."
A bullet falling from the sky can achieve a velocity of 700 feet per second, Pacheco said.


Are you firing morters in the sky? This is bullshiat. I can drop out of a plane at that height and still not make it through a roof unless it's made of adobe.
 
2008-01-02 02:47:41 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2008-01-02 02:47:44 AM  
jbuist: madcharlie: Unlikely. This is an old myth that has been proven false many times.

I'm not about to take a .30 caliber 200 grain bullet traveling 300fps to the head to test this out.


What parameters are acceptable to you? Because I really want to try this out on somebody.
 
2008-01-02 02:55:55 AM  
Similar thing happened to The Husband, a TFer, but instead of ceiling it was wall and instead of random it was his neighbor.
 
2008-01-02 02:56:53 AM  
WorldCitizen: I thought people only did this in Third World countries? What the hell? Backasswards people.

FTFA: Tuscon
 
2008-01-02 02:58:15 AM  
Good old americans. The walking incarnation of repeat stupidity.
 
2008-01-02 02:59:04 AM  
Haha. It's TUCSON hahahaha

That Fabian guy is probably a total illegal.
 
2008-01-02 02:59:12 AM  
snatchbeast: Similar thing happened to The Husband, a TFer, but instead of ceiling it was wall and instead of random it was his neighbor.

The neighbor threw a five year old girl through the wall onto your husband?
 
2008-01-02 03:00:52 AM  
depends on the bullets. jeez. I love fark and the silly little wars. It's fun.
 
2008-01-02 03:02:27 AM  
Just once, Just once I wish Dr. Darwin would step in and have a bullet come straight back down and take out one of these douchebags. I have come to the point that I refuse to be anywhere near outside for new years from all of the damn gunshots I hear.
 
2008-01-02 03:04:12 AM  
kob.com
John Kerry wanted for questioning


/Click picture if you don't get it
//link pops
 
2008-01-02 03:09:11 AM  
I thought it was the horizontal velocity that kills people.

Dumbasses don't shoot strait up. They shoot at a 45 degree angle, which is why the bullet always hits someone three blocks away.

So while the downward velocity alone wouldn't be fatal, it's still going fast enough horizontally to kill someone.
 
2008-01-02 03:09:45 AM  
us.movies1.yimg.com
Season 4, Episode 10: "Coming of Rage"

NICK: And this is the gun that you fired?

JOHNNIE: Yeah.

(NICK checks the cartridge.)

NICK: Empty ten-round magazine.

DET. SAM VEGA: It was full when you started?

JOHNNIE: Yeah.

(NICK walks over to the target board JOHNNIE set up at the end of the yard. He
checks out the holes.)

NICK: I, uh, only count nine holes in your target.

JOHNNIE: I must have missed one.

NICK: Oh, you didn't miss.
 
2008-01-02 03:14:43 AM  
WorldCitizen [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-02 01:11:34 AM I thought people only did this in Third World countries? What the hell? Backasswards people.

dude, it is Tucson. Would make a guess that 1/10 of this city is illegal and another 15-25% being from some latin country. this totally doesn't surprise me. last night, i heard a ton of gunshots in my neighborhood. cops couldn't stop it even if they tried.

Tucson sucks, but not because of the Latin American influence. it sucks because it is a shiat hole sprawl of a city with no character and nothing but suburban wasteland. its dirt cheap and the winters are nice, but thats about it.

as for the bullet theory, mythbuster did do an episode, and both people on this thread are right. if you fire a bullet at
EXACTLY 90 deg. to the surface, it will lose ballistic trajectory and will not kill you if it hits you. this is due to the limited terminal velocity of a tumbling bullet which is about 145 mph. however, if you deviate even slightly from 90 degs., you can easily kill someone since the bullet maintains its speed when it returns to earth.

so don't fire your god damn guns in the air unless you are out in the middle of no-where.
 
2008-01-02 03:16:01 AM  
Straight up and the bullet falls slowly. At any angle less than 90 degrees to the surface the bullet continues the path with lethal velocity.

It's not quite as simple as that. The shape of the bullet is a big factor as well how much spin is imparted.

The minimum age of ownership of guns needs to be increased as there are too many mentally underdeveloped people getting ahold of guns.

If law abiding citizens aren't allowed to shoot guns into the air, then only criminals will be shooting into the air. Or if only this young girl or someone in her family was armed, they could have possibly prevented this from happening. Or something like that.
 
2008-01-02 03:17:04 AM  
How can someone watch Mythbusters, then read this, then quote Mythbusters, saying it's not possible?


It's like they watch a show, see that they test "bullets fired 100% verticle, or dropped from a height high enough for them to reach terminal velocity (The game)", then that must apply to everything else they read involving bullets.


Did you know a bullet fired on a flat plane, will hit the ground just as fast as a jet plane?
 
2008-01-02 03:18:07 AM  
WorldCitizen: I thought people only did this in Third World countries? What the hell? Backasswards people.

Yes, but sometimes the third world comes to you.

I grew us in Escondido, CA. Just like Tucson and every other place within 200 miles of the Mexican border, Escondido has a large infestation of illegal aliens.

New Years Eve always sound like a war zone in Escondido, and every year there are news stories about people being hurt or killed. What our little brown brothers from the south apparently fail to realize (or care about) is the fact that they don't live out on the plains of South Bumfark, Mexico any more, and it's just not safe to go about randomly firing guns in a densely populated region.
 
2008-01-02 03:19:34 AM  
"While we understand that people enjoy having guns and firing them, we encourage them to shoot in a safe environment like any of the shooting ranges," Pacheco said.

Yeah, but the stupid shooting range won't let you hang out and do meth and tequila shooters for 60 hours.
 
2008-01-02 03:20:39 AM  
Katzenjammer: WorldCitizen: I thought people only did this in Third World countries? What the hell? Backasswards people.

Yes, but sometimes the third world comes to you.

I grew us in Escondido, CA. Just like Tucson and every other place within 200 miles of the Mexican border, Escondido has a large infestation of illegal aliens.

New Years Eve always sound like a war zone in Escondido, and every year there are news stories about people being hurt or killed. What our little brown brothers from the south apparently fail to realize (or care about) is the fact that they don't live out on the plains of South Bumfark, Mexico any more, and it's just not safe to go about randomly firing guns in a densely populated region.


QFT
 
2008-01-02 03:23:01 AM  
You know, there are four simple rules which, when followed, will always prevent accidents and deaths from guns:

1. Always assume a gun is loaded unless you yourself have checked it.

2. Always be aware not just of the target itself, but above, below, to the left, to the right, in front of and behind your target.

3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

4. Never, EVER point a gun at ANYTHING, unless you intend to destroy it.
 
2008-01-02 03:23:09 AM  
jbuist:
There's nothing really wrong with celebratory gun fire. You just need to make sure you're pointing the firearm in a safe direction. The safest direction being DOWN.


This can't repeated enough to get through the heads of some idiots.

1st rule of gun safety: Know what's downrange.

Are there people who shouldn't have guns and do? Of course. There's also people that shouldn't have cars, areosol paints, lighters, household chemicals, box cutters, or a pulse.
 
2008-01-02 03:23:21 AM  
www.buffalobarfly.com

/wanted for questioning
 
2008-01-02 03:27:28 AM  
Just a thought... (new window)
 
2008-01-02 03:30:13 AM  
UNC_Samurai: Celebratory gunfire: Proof the world isn't culling the shallow end of the gene pool fast enough.

Whatya mean? I go outside and fire my gun off in the air every time
my girlfriend manages to have an orgasm.
 
2008-01-02 03:32:11 AM  
i217.photobucket.com
no way
 
2008-01-02 03:36:31 AM  
Anagrammer: You know, there are four simple rules which, when followed, will always prevent accidents and deaths from guns:

1. Always assume a gun is loaded unless you yourself have checked it.

2. Always be aware not just of the target itself, but above, below, to the left, to the right, in front of and behind your target.

3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.

4. Never, EVER point a gun at ANYTHING, unless you intend to destroy it.


Fark, I was told that in boy scouts 30 years ago just how to shoot a farking bird or a deer. And I don't even hunt anymore. That goes for anything. I'm not hunting humans.
 
2008-01-02 03:37:12 AM  
Cat F Cat F: no way

If you actually watch Mythbusters, they gave this all 3 ratings:

1) Lethal bullet shot straight up in the air? Busted.

2) Lethal bullet shot at an angle? Plausible.

3) Victims of lethal bullets shot at an angle? Confirmed.
 
2008-01-02 03:38:03 AM  
Even from firing at 45 degree angle to travel full range and then go through roof and ceiling i dont think it can be done. Dont really know. Just my opinion.

/didnt read entire article.
//assuming its a pistol round.
 
2008-01-02 03:39:31 AM  
mikaloyd: The neighbor threw a five year old girl through the wall onto your husband?

Yes, it was terrifying. We do not want kids,
 
2008-01-02 03:39:52 AM  
What the hell do you mean RANDOM?

That was an AMAZING shot!
 
2008-01-02 03:45:56 AM  
Glenechocreek:
Whatya mean? I go outside and fire my gun off in the air every time
my girlfriend manages to have an orgasm.


At least you can content yourself with not spending much money on ammo.
 
2008-01-02 03:46:22 AM  
Befuddled: If law abiding citizens aren't allowed to shoot guns into the air, then only criminals will be shooting into the air.

I moved out of the ghetto 9 years ago and haven't heard guns fired at new years or the 4th of july since.
 
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