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2007-12-30 06:13:31 PM
Yea, but it still isn't worth it.
 
2007-12-30 06:18:44 PM
The fact that nobody is buying the PS3 or Xbox while the Wii sells like mad tells me gaming is dead anyway.
 
2007-12-30 06:23:31 PM
You need to get a Sony Visa card and buy the TV off their Web site to take advantage of the offer. Do not want.
 
2007-12-30 06:24:56 PM
I already have a doorstop.
 
2007-12-30 06:29:05 PM
randomjsa: The fact that nobody is buying the PS3 or Xbox while the Wii sells like mad tells me gaming is dead anyway.

Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360. The 360 is doing just fine.

Gaming is NOT dead by a longshot.It might be dead for YOU, but honestly nobody really gives a shiat. God forbid that there are other genres that people enjoy besides FPS's, long-ass RPGs and GTA clones.

Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?
 
2007-12-30 06:29:08 PM
randomjsa: The fact that nobody is buying the PS3 or Xbox while the Wii sells like mad tells me gaming is dead anyway.

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2007-12-30 06:33:45 PM
The PS3 really ought to be selling much better than it is. It's a media BEAST and offers a huge feature set.

I guess it additionally needs to offer more (and more exclusive) game titles. 360 has a 12-month head start on that, a fact that matters less with each passing day.
 
2007-12-30 06:34:23 PM
My husband and I are both avid gamers. Heck, I still have my NES in working condition! Anyway, of the current consoles, we have a Wii and a PS3. I like the PS3 because it's pretty and because of Assassin's Creed ... other than that, I'm playing the Wii.
 
2007-12-30 06:34:36 PM
El Freak: randomjsa: The fact that nobody is buying the PS3 or Xbox while the Wii sells like mad tells me gaming is dead anyway.

Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360. The 360 is doing just fine.

Gaming is NOT dead by a longshot.It might be dead for YOU, but honestly nobody really gives a shiat. God forbid that there are other genres that people enjoy besides FPS's, long-ass RPGs and GTA clones.

Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?


You should see the hardcore PC gamers.
 
2007-12-30 06:36:14 PM
Sony products are so overpriced, it's not much of a discount.
 
2007-12-30 06:37:11 PM
El Freak: Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?

Yes.

I understand the, "Oh god, not another minigame collection," issues with the Wii library. As a casual gamer that likes serious games, it irks me a bit too. But it's hardly a sign that "gaming is dead". If anything, the success of the Wii tells us that there are more gamers waiting to happen.

A rational person would view the expansion of the fanbase as a good thing for the medium. The whole "the Wii ruins gaming" whinge smacks of elitism.
 
2007-12-30 06:39:28 PM
AlienOmega: You should see the hardcore PC gamers.

There's nothing quite like poking fun at the people who spend 300-500 yearly for the latest PC hardware yet claim that "ZOMG PS3 and XBOX are so expensive!"
 
2007-12-30 06:41:25 PM
I used to be a PS3 hater until I recently set one up for a family member looking for a blu-ray player.

It's a beautiful machine that makes the 360's interface feel like the awkward Micro$oft project that it is.
 
2007-12-30 06:41:48 PM
I'm a gamer, just not a console gamer.

Not intersted in a free one.
 
2007-12-30 06:43:02 PM
El Freak: Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360.

O RLY?

In markets where there was sufficient supply of Wii consoles to meet the demand, the data disagrees. The fact that people are settling for an Xbox when they cannot get a Wii seems nothing to boast about.
 
2007-12-30 06:45:41 PM
Sony is now trying the "if you can't sell them try giving them away" strategy with the PS3

They've sold about 8.5 million PS3s, but I guess facts mean nothing to fanboys.
 
2007-12-30 06:51:10 PM
idsfa: El Freak: Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360.

O RLY?

In markets where there was sufficient supply of Wii consoles to meet the demand, the data disagrees. The fact that people are settling for an Xbox when they cannot get a Wii seems nothing to boast about.


That's Japan. XBox has NEVER, to my knowledge, done well in Japan. IIRC, Western games don't do that well in Japan PERIOD. But Japan is not the entire market. What about the rest of the world?
 
2007-12-30 06:51:46 PM
I love my 60g PS3. It's the only player I have that makes my DVDs watchable on my big screen, it has blu-ray (Though HD DVD has much better films- I have about 8 HD vs. 3 BR), it can stream media wirelessly off of my PC, it has all sorts of memory card readers (with a slick interface for showing pictures on the TV), it upconverts my ps2 and ps1 games to 1080p, and it seems to get new features every couple of weeks.

I just wish it was a good PS3.. I have one game for it (Ninja Gaiden Sigma) which is a port of an Xbox game. The xbox 360 and SNES get all of my game time, while the Wii collects dust between releases of the marquee Nintendo games.
 
2007-12-30 06:54:46 PM
Of course, what you save in the cost of the system you more than pay for in the cost of interest.
 
2007-12-30 06:57:34 PM
I would like to buy the TV and then sell the PS3 on eBay for twice the original price. It's like getting a TV and then given a huge wad of cash!
 
2007-12-30 07:00:34 PM
WizardofToast: I would like to buy the TV and then sell the PS3 on eBay for twice the original price.

You have a time machine to go to November 2006??
 
2007-12-30 07:01:14 PM
Okay, lets back up. One of the big things I'm told the Wii lacks is HD support. 1080p and all that sound like interesting numbers, but could someone please explain to me why I should care?

I mean, seriously, HD support actually drives me away from things like the 360 and the PS3. I've seen some games designed for HD played on regular screens, and it looks horrible. I can't imagine a single reason why I'd pay more than $200 for a television, so I have very little interest in HD. Why would I buy a system that (sometimes) looks like utter crap.
 
2007-12-30 07:03:16 PM
El Freak
Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360. The 360 is doing just fine.


If by barely you mean selling over twice as fast, you'd be right. PS3 sales (per month) are now on par with the 360. Wii surpassed the total 360 sales months ago, despite being out only only one year. Here's a fun little chart for you. Total hardware sales, starting from the respective consoles launch date.

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Source

As you can see, quite clearly, the Wii is kicking EVERYONEs ass. They have sold the most living room consoles (DS is the console leader currently). They have sold them the fastest. They are selling them over twice as fast as second place. PS3, in terms of time on the market, is comparable to how the 360 did and has reached a point where new buyers are split 50/50 between the 360 and the PS3.

The red ring of death don't look so shiny anymore does it.
 
2007-12-30 07:05:08 PM
t3knomanser: Okay, lets back up. One of the big things I'm told the Wii lacks is HD support. 1080p and all that sound like interesting numbers, but could someone please explain to me why I should care?

I mean, seriously, HD support actually drives me away from things like the 360 and the PS3. I've seen some games designed for HD played on regular screens, and it looks horrible. I can't imagine a single reason why I'd pay more than $200 for a television, so I have very little interest in HD. Why would I buy a system that (sometimes) looks like utter crap.


So you can play games that don't star Mario.
 
2007-12-30 07:09:28 PM
t3knomanser: El Freak: Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?

Yes.

I understand the, "Oh god, not another minigame collection," issues with the Wii library. As a casual gamer that likes serious games, it irks me a bit too. But it's hardly a sign that "gaming is dead". If anything, the success of the Wii tells us that there are more gamers waiting to happen.

A rational person would view the expansion of the fanbase as a good thing for the medium. The whole "the Wii ruins gaming" whinge smacks of elitism.


Yep. It just absolutely blows their minds that not everybody is interested in the exact same types of games that they are, and that people who AREN'T males in their teens and twenties might not be interested in GTA or Halo or WWII shooter no. 3,000,000. There has to be more variety or else gaming is going to get very very stagnant and boring.

Personally, I don't own any of the current consoles except for DS. For now I'm perfectly happy with it and the buttload of ROMS on my PC. Right now DS seems to have the most variety of anything out there.
 
2007-12-30 07:10:15 PM
animal900: So you can play games that don't star Mario.

That's what the PS2 is for. Or my laptop.

//Bought the PS2 solely for Katamari and Vice City.

Here's the thing. I'm a hardware nerd, and like to be on the cutting edge. I want to care about HD, but I just can't. Aside from the aspect ratio, I've never seen anything dramatic about HD. Part of me actually wonders if the quality really is better, or if a bunch of people are fooling themselves to justify the expense.

I guess, if you wanted a 40" TV, that'd be one thing. But why would you want a 40" TV?

//In retrospect, maybe I don't belong in this thread.
 
2007-12-30 07:14:14 PM
mrjah: The PS3 really ought to be selling much better than it is. It's a media BEAST and offers a huge feature set.

But can it slice, dice and julienne fries?
 
2007-12-30 07:17:46 PM
t3knomanser
I mean, seriously, HD support actually drives me away from things like the 360 and the PS3. I've seen some games designed for HD played on regular screens, and it looks horrible. I can't imagine a single reason why I'd pay more than $200 for a television, so I have very little interest in HD. Why would I buy a system that (sometimes) looks like utter crap.

You don't have to care if you don't want to. You're right, I'm damn sure some companies test their games on 720p/1080i (640p in the case of Halo) and then plug it in to a standard TV once just to make sure it outputs and the game ends up looking TERRIBLE (no better than sprite animation) when done that way.


But...the XBOX can be hooked up to a VGA monitor the PS3 can be hooked up to a DVI-D monitor. Both require cables to do the job. That does make hooking up the XBOX cheaper, since getting a VGA used monitor is significantly cheaper than getting a DVI-D monitor.

Since I have all three consoles (until my 360 is sold), I went with a VGA capable TV (HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite, S-Video inputs). I currently have my Mac, Wii, PS3, and 360 all hooked up to the same screen at the same time. It costs $400 with tax. I obviously have money to burn, not everyone else does.
 
2007-12-30 07:21:25 PM
El Freak: Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?

I'm a hardcore gamer. I have an Xbox 360 and a Wii and can jump from Mario Galaxy or Wii Sports over to Bioshock or Mass Effect.

It's all about having fun.
 
2007-12-30 07:31:41 PM
Renowned transvestite sexologist: It costs $400 with tax. I obviously have money to burn, not everyone else does.

I have the money to burn, but I just can't justify spending it on a TV. Aside from football and a few hours a week of gaming, I just don't use it enough.

Although, I'd really like the ability to stream video from my 1TB NAS to my TV- without converting everything to a Wii friendly format.
 
2007-12-30 07:34:38 PM
November sales numbers for North America
* Nintendo DS - 1.53 million
* Nintendo Wii - 981,000
* Xbox 360 - 770,000
* PlayStation Portable - 567,000
* PlayStation 2 - 496,000
* PlayStation 3 - 466,000

October sales numbers for North America
* Wii - 519,000
* Nintendo DS - 458,000
* Xbox 360 - 366,000
* PSP - 286,000
* PlayStation 2 - 184,000
* PlayStation 3 - 121,000

Here's a graph of weekly sale numbers for North America compiled by Kotaku from NPD numbers.
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Will have to wait until a few weeks in January to get December's numbers, but if it's like Japans Christmas week numbers then expect there to be a few consoles in the millions sold. Since the numbers doubled from the week before.

Europe's numbers are harder to come by for the U.K. you have to pay a large sum of money to get the data and the rest of the countries don't even have a similar service.

As you can see the only time the Xbox outsold the Wii was in September when Halo 3 was released. In Japan for most of the year the top two spots were the DS followed by the Wii only the PSP has manage to outsell the Wii for a while over there.

All numbers taken from Kotaku's NPD reporting and not from VGchartz.
 
2007-12-30 07:38:30 PM
PS3 > Xbox360

/not a troll
//stating my fact
///off to play Uncharted
 
2007-12-30 07:46:46 PM
I had a Wii and a bunch of games for a year and it was ok, but the PS3 blows it out of the water in every category. The Blu-ray and media center functionality are awesome. I can stream all my vids, songs, pics, etc to my hd projector/screen. Rock band alone is worth the price of the system. 2 friends that played alot of games on my old Wii have already asked "why would anyone get a Wii over this thing?" after a few hours playing PS3 games. I told them "I have no Idea". Oh, to head off the obligatory responses, yes Sony is paying me a lot for this endorsement.

I'm posting this from the PS3 right now. Fark is nice at 90".
 
2007-12-30 07:51:36 PM
t3knomanser

Although, I'd really like the ability to stream video from my 1TB NAS to my TV- without converting everything to a Wii friendly format.

If you're running Windows, Tversity solves that problem. It transcodes on the fly, assuming you have a machine that's fast enough. The Wii webrowser is on it's support list. Otherwise, it uses a combination of transcoding and caches to do the job invisibly. According to their forums, Linux and Mac ports on in the future. I've seen the Windows version in action (don't personally own a Windows machine) and it's awesome.
 
2007-12-30 07:53:46 PM
Similar to what BummedOutMonkey said.
I had a Wii at first and then purchased a PS3 and wondered how on earth people managed to enjoy the Wii more than the PS3.

Then I realised that most haters haven't even tried playing on one.

I still like the Wii though.
 
2007-12-30 07:56:52 PM
Renowned transvestite sexologist

Jesus Christ man, get a grip. It's as if you have an invested interest in convinging people that Wii owns all!

Why do you care what we think about your console? Chill!
 
2007-12-30 07:58:26 PM
the armchair economists in here are funny

Listen, you can't compare Wii sales versus XBox sales because of installed base. Those people that have already bought an XBox before the Wii was released are not factoring into the count. The only "fair" comparison would be if they were released at the same time and watching the trend that way. It may be the case that the Wii is more popular (had those early XBox adopters had a choice, who knows which way they would have gone) but there is not, nor will there ever be definitive proof until the lifespan of both consoles is long over and the raw numbers are *all* in.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

/ not a fan one way or the other
// just hate seeing those poor numbers used and abused to stroke fanboy egos
 
2007-12-30 07:59:45 PM
I hate how everyone's convinced they're the next David Jaffe when they compelled to talk about video games. You get a thread typically filled with stupid noobs spouting about shiat they just don't get or shouldn't know about.

/We get it. You can hold a controller. Your high school debate team is thata' way.
 
2007-12-30 08:01:50 PM
Renowned transvestite sexologist:

If you're running Windows, Tversity solves . It transcodes on the fly, assuming you have a machine that's fast enough. The Wii webrowser is on it's support list. Otherwise, it uses a combination of transcoding and caches to do the job invisibly. According to their forums, Linux and Mac ports on in the future. I've seen the Windows version in action (don't personally own a Windows machine) and it's awesome.


The 360 and PS3 both play pretty much ANY format now natively. I own all three consoles, and while the wii is fun, it's still necessary to also own one of the others to cover all the bases. The wii would be second on my list if I had to buy them again, behind either the 360 or PS3.
 
2007-12-30 08:09:26 PM
Dedmon

Jesus Christ man, get a grip. It's as if you have an invested interest in convinging people that Wii owns all!

Why do you care what we think about your console? Chill!


Wow, you're the one over reacting. It's a fact the Wii is winning the console wars. As if there is a console war to win. This is despite the fact that most of the Wii games blow and pretty much the ONLY good ones are made by Nintendo. Granted, they are really fun, but limited. If the fact that the Wii is selling twice as fast as the 360 and in December the PS3 rate of sale caught up with the 360 is somehow evangelical to you, you're smoking something special.

But since we are on the subject, I will say, the 360 is a hunk of garbage. They run REALLY hot, suffer from hardware failures, require you to pay for online service (which don't have dedicated servers), are really loud, and charge for EVERYTHING (including the privilege of playing new maps). Mac, PC, Wii, PS3, PSP, PS2, DS, (am I missing anything) are all free online gaming. All, save for the DS, have dedicated servers run by the game publisher. All of the living room and handheld based consoles are quiet. The PS3 allows for the user to transfer mods and maps from their computer to their PS3 and use them online. The PS3 allows users to run dedicated servers.

RROD.
 
2007-12-30 08:10:56 PM
El Freak: Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360. The 360 is doing just fine.

If "barely" is "3 to 1" then I suppose, or hadn't you noticed that the 360 has been out a year longer and sold fewer total consoles than the Wii?

Gaming is NOT dead by a longshot.It might be dead for YOU, but honestly nobody really gives a shiat. God forbid that there are other genres that people enjoy besides FPS's, long-ass RPGs and GTA clones.

Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?

You did notice that I put down all three consoles didn't you? While you actively and incorrectly promoted just one? Who's the fanboy again?
 
2007-12-30 08:22:47 PM
FarkinPcola: I used to be a PS3 hater until I recently set one up for a family member looking for a blu-ray player.

It's a beautiful machine that makes the 360's interface feel like the awkward Micro$oft project that it is.




I agree..I had a 360 first and loved it...Then I got a PS3...I gotta say, it's a fine machine. About 99% of the usage is for the blu-ray player, but whatever.
 
2007-12-30 08:23:30 PM
BummedOutMonkey: I had a Wii and a bunch of games for a year and it was ok, but the PS3 blows it out of the water in every category.

Did I miss the memo that all console fanboys must use the phrase "blows it out of the water"? It's like every damn one uses it. What's up with that?
 
2007-12-30 08:24:55 PM
Well. Since we have a huge amount of PS2 games, and we're satisfied with the game play, I can't see shelling out for something that may or may not play my old games and doesn't really add to the gaming experience.

//if it's not broke, don't fix it.
 
2007-12-30 08:29:48 PM
animal900


The 360 and PS3 both play pretty much ANY format now natively. I own all three consoles, and while the wii is fun, it's still necessary to also own one of the others to cover all the bases. The wii would be second on my list if I had to buy them again, behind either the 360 or PS3.

He asked about the Wii, I was being helpful in him solving his problem.

I haven't used the upnp support of either the 360 or the PS3 (except to network copy music and pictures to my PS3). I do know both are incomplete. Sony does seem to have a higher priority for increasing file support than the 360. that may end up being short term though, with something like Tversity being available. It's not so important anymore. Tversity is the first and only Windows only application that ever gotten to close to buying Windows in my 15 years of computer buying. Mostly cause my girlfriend wants to watch my DVD rips in the living room and not in the bedroom. Tversity being the easiest and cheapest way to solve that problem (combined with a cheap network MPEG2 decoder hooked up to the living room TV)
 
2007-12-30 08:31:34 PM
Why do people use the term "selling like hotcakes"?

Why don't Nintendo Sony and Microsoft just skip the BS and sell hotcakes.
 
2007-12-30 08:52:48 PM
People buying the Wii are not hardcore gamers. They are casual and family types who just want to plug in and have some fun.
The hardcore gaming geeks bring the Wii into comparison wars simply because it is a recent game console. It isn't and never was intended to go after the same target market as the 360 and PS3. While some hardcore gamers DO have Wiis, they got them because something in their twisted genetic code made them feel that, because it was a new gaming machine, they had to have it and compare it to everything else they owned.

Many, many people are having some genuine FUN playing Wiis. They don't care about cutting-edge graphics, processing power and various screen refreshes and definitions. Games are for fun, above all else.
 
2007-12-30 09:04:42 PM
Renowned transvestite sexologist:
He asked about the Wii, I was being helpful in him solving his problem.


So was I.

A bunch of stuff about TVersity...

The PS3 has played every video file I've thrown at it. Divx, XVid, MP4, MPEG 2 etc etc. I used to used TVersity with the 360 before it supported Divx, and quite frankly I found it to require more effort than it was worth.
 
2007-12-30 09:06:46 PM
Disgruntled Goat: People buying the Wii are not hardcore gamers. They are casual and family types who just want to plug in and have some fun.
The hardcore gaming geeks bring the Wii into comparison wars simply because it is a recent game console. It isn't and never was intended to go after the same target market as the 360 and PS3. While some hardcore gamers DO have Wiis, they got them because something in their twisted genetic code made them feel that, because it was a new gaming machine, they had to have it and compare it to everything else they owned.

Many, many people are having some genuine FUN playing Wiis. They don't care about cutting-edge graphics, processing power and various screen refreshes and definitions. Games are for fun, above all else.


Could have sworn "hardcore gamer" was someone who will buy all the systems/games to be able to play anything...not just "purdy graphix"

/hates dumbasses who think hardcore only means the gfx
 
2007-12-30 09:13:50 PM
randomjsa: El Freak: Last I checked the Wii was only barely outselling the Xbox 360. The 360 is doing just fine.

If "barely" is "3 to 1" then I suppose, or hadn't you noticed that the 360 has been out a year longer and sold fewer total consoles than the Wii?

Gaming is NOT dead by a longshot.It might be dead for YOU, but honestly nobody really gives a shiat. God forbid that there are other genres that people enjoy besides FPS's, long-ass RPGs and GTA clones.

Jesus, are all "hardcore gamers" fanboy assholes?

You did notice that I put down all three consoles didn't you? While you actively and incorrectly promoted just one? Who's the fanboy again?


So care to point out which console I promoted? Because I don't recall promoting any. Is it because I made a statement about sales that apparently is wrong? How does that make me a fanboy of any kind? Yes, you did mention all 3 consoles, only to piss and moan that the one YOU don't like is selling well, and therefore "gaming is dead"? You're just another no-life hardcore gamer fanboy asshole whose panties are in a bunch because not everybody shares YOUR tastes and that there is a company in the industry that isn't catering to YOU. Because YOU and YOU ALONE define what gaming should be.

I can't understand the mentality of people who cannot grasp that people might enjoy something they don't.
 
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