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(NBC4)   News: FAA restricts rechargeable batteries on flights. Fark: Because they can't figure out how to extinguish fires in non-rechargeable batteries   (nbc4.com) divider line 133
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2007-12-28 03:34:30 PM
Articles like this are why I drink.
 
2007-12-28 03:41:22 PM
Pribar: Articles like this are why I drink.

I haven't had enough to drink, then ;)
 
2007-12-28 03:47:29 PM
Do YOU feel safer?
 
2007-12-28 03:51:58 PM
z_gringo: Do YOU feel safer?

I've honestly never felt unsafe. Even after one plane I was in crashed and another one I was supposed to be boarding ran into the terminal.

I don't think batteries or bottles of water had anything to do with those ;)
 
2007-12-28 04:17:23 PM
FTFA: Consumer electronics such as cameras, cell phones and most laptops are still allowed, but passengers can bring only two extended-life spare-rechargeable lithium batteries for these devices in carry-on baggage under the rule.

How is this not reasonable? Are there really that many people boarding planes with garbage bags full of laptop batteries?
 
2007-12-28 04:32:19 PM
Fraggler: How is this not reasonable?

Inconvenience does not equal security and to profess otherwise is not reasonable.
 
2007-12-28 04:38:33 PM
flood_guy: Inconvenience does not equal security and to profess otherwise is not reasonable.

This isn't about security, it's about safety. The rationale in the rule is to prevent accidental fires, not prevent people from hijacking planes.
 
2007-12-28 05:15:04 PM
I don't really understand how this is a safety thing- as checked baggage would be more of a fire risk if something happened mid-flight.
 
2007-12-28 05:15:27 PM
Fraggler: flood_guy: Inconvenience does not equal security and to profess otherwise is not reasonable.

This isn't about security, it's about safety. The rationale in the rule is to prevent accidental fires, not prevent people from hijacking planes.


And five batteries in a bag are expotentionally more likely to burst into flames than two, plus one in the laptop, one in the camera, one in the cell phone?

Methinks you might be just the enterprising fellow I've been looking for to sell these 100 slightly used lottery tickets to. Sure, the odds of winning are low, but if you buy 100 then obviously you're 100* times more likely to win, right?
 
2007-12-28 05:15:43 PM
Well this is great. My flight leaves tomorrow, get back in the new year, another rule to remember.
 
2007-12-28 05:16:39 PM
buzzvert: I don't really understand how this is a safety thing- as checked baggage would be more of a fire risk if something happened mid-flight.

Because not a day goes by where the news isn't reporting on yet another rechargable battery fire...
 
2007-12-28 05:18:04 PM
Oh sweet zombie Jesus. Look at the TSA page.

"The limits are expressed in grams of 'equivalent lithium content.' 8 grams of equivalent lithium content is approximately 100 watt-hours. 25 grams is approximately 300 watt-hours"

We're going to trust the same dimwitted, minimum-wage-earning TSA goons that enjoy confiscating tweezers and don't realize that contact lens solution can be in larger than 3-oz containers, and we're going to have them scrutinizing lithium batteries to find the Watt-hours and then convert to grams of lithium to figure out if you're bringing too much?

Oh, this should end real well. You know, if you don't want us to fly, you could just say so. Just shutdown the airlines already instead of coming up with arbitrary, pointless rules.
 
2007-12-28 05:18:19 PM
Dear FAA:

Chemical fire extinguishers.

Cordially Yours,
Anyone born in the last fifty years.
 
2007-12-28 05:18:44 PM
"Passengers will still be able to pack batteries in checked bags if they are installed in electronic devices or in carry-on luggage if they are stored in plastic bags, according to the new federal safety rule."

Oh thank God for the security of plastic bags.
 
2007-12-28 05:19:07 PM
Fraggler: Safety? They are banning rechargeable batteries because they can't safely put out NON-Rechargeable battery fires. Issues with Non-rechargeable batteries should not create rules to ban Rechargeable batteries. They should ban NON-RECHARGEABLE batteries.
 
2007-12-28 05:19:34 PM
Thank GOD!

I am getting sick and tired of hearing about all these lithium ion battery fires causing plane crashes....
 
2007-12-28 05:20:23 PM
Fraggler: FTFA: Consumer electronics such as cameras, cell phones and most laptops are still allowed, but passengers can bring only two extended-life spare-rechargeable lithium batteries for these devices in carry-on baggage under the rule.

How is this not reasonable? Are there really that many people boarding planes with garbage bags full of laptop batteries?


When I travel for a shoot, I take minimum of three batteries per camera. 4 cameras = 12 batteries. WTF am I supposed to do now, ship them? That's perfect, because UPS and FedEx ALWAYS run on my shoot schedule, and are never late, nor do they ever damage stuff. Once again, this is the idiot government negatively influencing my business because they can't pull their head out of their ass. You wait. The red tape I'm going to have to go through now is going to be unfarkingbelievable.
 
2007-12-28 05:20:52 PM
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Use at will.
 
2007-12-28 05:21:00 PM
As long as I can still bring my rusty steel wool, magnesium fire starter and etch-a-sketch on the plain I don't care.

Thermite ftw.....

But look out for shampoo and titty milk!!
 
2007-12-28 05:21:15 PM
This is just like when that shoe-bomber-wannabe doofus Richard Reid got caught trying to ignite his high-top athletic shoe... for a few months after that, everybody wearing shoes with built-up heels were required to remove them for x-ray. What kind of shoes don't have built up heels and weren't required to be x-rayed? Athletic shoes just like the ones he was wearing.
 
2007-12-28 05:22:38 PM
Good thing I always have 10B in the 330, as I can plug whatever I want in.
 
2007-12-28 05:22:49 PM
66.98.181.12

Don't mess with a man's Lithium.
 
2007-12-28 05:23:17 PM
REOIV: As long as I can still bring my rusty steel wool, magnesium fire starter and etch-a-sketch on the plain I don't care.

Thermite ftw.....

But look out for shampoo and titty milk!!


FTW
 
2007-12-28 05:23:22 PM
Just bring several cameras, cellphones and laptops.
 
2007-12-28 05:24:30 PM
This may actually be a valid concern. A charged Li battery has a tremendous amount of energy. The same could be said for NiMH as well. A puncture, or a shock that causes a rupture in a cell would cause a cascading fire through all of the other cells. This was made famous by Sony's laptop battery.
 
2007-12-28 05:24:52 PM
If only there were a category of fire extinguishers that could work on combustible metals....
 
2007-12-28 05:25:09 PM
I carry garbage bags of rechargable batteries on a plane, and look what I married:
img.alibaba.com
 
2007-12-28 05:25:48 PM
batteries
bursting into flames
uhm, cell phones are off on planes
and I've never heard of a camera bursting into flames
the laptop i can see
yet they are allowing those on board, just not extra batteries?
 
2007-12-28 05:25:53 PM
This is farking stupid. If they are worried about someone intentionally blowing up a plane, ban all lithium batteries. If they are worried about someone accidentally setting off a fire, require all batteries to be in separate insulated bags.
 
2007-12-28 05:26:01 PM
Um, my Lithium laptop batteries cost $100 each.

So how do I fly with a computer now, without getting batteries confiscated?

Oh, and thanks for the FOUR DAYS of notice.

farkwads.
 
2007-12-28 05:26:01 PM
i180.photobucket.com

Lookout, dammit!
 
2007-12-28 05:27:04 PM
Lithium batteries were illegal in baggage on airplanes as early as 25 years ago because of their tendency to out-gas and explode. At some point they became more common in portable computers and consumer electronics but I'm not sure that the FAA ever really changed the rules.
 
2007-12-28 05:28:51 PM
tuna fingers: I carry garbage bags of rechargable batteries on a plane, and look what I married:

A woman that looks like a hooker...with too much makeup?
 
2007-12-28 05:28:54 PM
ewillyp: batteries
bursting into flames
uhm, cell phones are off on planes
and I've never heard of a camera bursting into flames
the laptop i can see
yet they are allowing those on board, just not extra batteries?


Don't try to make sense of decisions made by people who don't have any.
 
2007-12-28 05:29:04 PM
zoomddy:
Now THAT cracks me up.
 
2007-12-28 05:30:21 PM
Bschott007: A woman that looks like a hooker...with too much makeup?

Isn't she married to a TV evangelist?
 
2007-12-28 05:31:53 PM
Damn, there goes my rechargable battery smuggling ring.

Aircraft should be required to provide power ports for laptops so people could stop trying to figure out ever more hazardous ways to keep their laptops going on extended flights.
 
2007-12-28 05:32:10 PM
Makes about as much sense as when a person tried to light a 'shoe bomb' with matches on a plane.

Result:
ban lighters, but matches are still ok!
 
2007-12-28 05:32:33 PM
crewsr: for a few months after that, everybody wearing shoes with built-up heels were required to remove them for x-ray. What kind of shoes don't have built up heels and weren't required to be x-rayed? Athletic shoes just like the ones he was wearing.

I'm pretty sure all U.S. airports still require all people to remove all shoes for x-raying.
 
2007-12-28 05:33:42 PM
So, can I bring a camera, cell phone, portable video game system, or laptop on a plane? Or have all those gone the way of shampoo and nail clippers?
 
2007-12-28 05:33:45 PM
FilmBELOH20: Once again, this is the idiot government negatively influencing my business because they can't pull their head out of their ass.

Once again, this is the government attempting to make air travel safer because the idiot companies you buy your batteries from can't design and build them to not explode.
 
M-G
2007-12-28 05:34:34 PM
b2theory: This may actually be a valid concern. A charged Li battery has a tremendous amount of energy. The same could be said for NiMH as well. A puncture, or a shock that causes a rupture in a cell would cause a cascading fire through all of the other cells. This was made famous by Sony's laptop battery.

Or a loose battery shorting against something metal in your baggage. If installed in a device, or in a plastic bag, it's not going to short out.

Hell, I once had a 9 volt alkaline battery in my pocket, and it shorted across a coin. My leg suddenly started getting very hot... any sort of lithium battery, and it could have been ugly.
 
2007-12-28 05:34:35 PM
tuna fingers: I carry garbage bags of rechargable batteries on a plane, and look what I married

That would explain the stinky fingers.
 
2007-12-28 05:34:54 PM
DaBishop: Bschott007: A woman that looks like a hooker...with too much makeup?

Isn't she married to a TV evangelist?


Uh. Awkward moment. Divorced, and uh...dead, as I recall.
 
2007-12-28 05:35:38 PM
I guess now my 12 year old can carry her lip gloss on the plane?
 
2007-12-28 05:35:44 PM
gorgor: That would explain the stinky fingers.

LMAO
 
2007-12-28 05:38:03 PM
Prof_Moriarity: Uh. Awkward moment. Divorced, and uh...dead, as I recall.

So....yes?
 
2007-12-28 05:38:36 PM
FilmBELOH20: Fraggler: FTFA: Consumer electronics such as cameras, cell phones and most laptops are still allowed, but passengers can bring only two extended-life spare-rechargeable lithium batteries for these devices in carry-on baggage under the rule.

How is this not reasonable? Are there really that many people boarding planes with garbage bags full of laptop batteries?

When I travel for a shoot, I take minimum of three batteries per camera. 4 cameras = 12 batteries. WTF am I supposed to do now, ship them? That's perfect, because UPS and FedEx ALWAYS run on my shoot schedule, and are never late, nor do they ever damage stuff. Once again, this is the idiot government negatively influencing my business because they can't pull their head out of their ass. You wait. The red tape I'm going to have to go through now is going to be unfarkingbelievable.


Thank you for giving a real world example on how this can hurt people, and sorry for the bath of red tape you now have to swim in.
 
2007-12-28 05:38:36 PM
DaBishop: Bschott007: A woman that looks like a hooker...with too much makeup?

Isn't she married to a TV evangelist?


I didn't know Ted Haggard was a Farker?
 
2007-12-28 05:40:12 PM
People should not be allowed on planes due to the risk of spontaneous human combustion.
 
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