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2007-12-28 05:04:36 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me 2007-12-28 04:56:34 PM
Oh, so amino acids just came together magically and boom, the first lifeform was created. Makes sense. Why didn't I see that before? :)


So, hydrogen and oxygen just came together magically and boom, the first water was created. Makes sense. Why didn't you see that before?
 
2007-12-28 05:04:56 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Animals survive on basic instinct...they have no intellectual capacity nor self awareness.

ah, so intellectual capacity and self awareness are required for your definition of human? so i assume you have no problem with abortion - even late-term abortion, yes?
 
2007-12-28 05:05:07 PM  
This thread is distilled win.
 
2007-12-28 05:05:43 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Let's assume that every animal evolved from another animal.

What did the first animal on the planet evolve from? Doesn't that violate the law of physicis that states that you can't create something from nothing? Evolution cannot explain how the first organism came to be.


This is an idiotic statement... It would be like me saying a hammer cannot be used to build a house because the hammer can't be used to explain where wood comes from.

keithgabryelski: You can't create new matter -- matter can be manipulated into other forms. two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom can be combined to form water.

What do you believe is "created" that violates any laws of physics?


Slightly off topic but matter can be created from energy =)
 
2007-12-28 05:06:48 PM  
Bevets: What evidence do you have that these claims were exagerated?

What evidence do you have that they weren't exaggerated? Keeping in mind that in science, a single source doesn't cut it as evidence, never mind one that's over 1000 years old.

And Don't get me STARTED on the flood (new window)
 
2007-12-28 05:06:56 PM  
MFL: We may be made up of the same matter but there is a difference between us and a rock. We are alive.

Agreed. The only point that I make with that post is that the matter that makes us up and the matter that makes up inanimate objects is one and the same. Since r_l_s_m's claim (matter could be neither created nor destroyed, so where did life come from) was misdirected, as no new matter had to be created or destroyed in order for life to spring forth. That's all I was getting at.

Now the issue of how life was created from inanimate matter is a subject outside the realm of evolutionary biology (which deals exclusively with how life changes over time). I'm not an expert, but I believe there are a few abiogenesis articles that will be thrown out before this is all over.

They're helpful, if a bit confusing.
 
2007-12-28 05:07:22 PM  
If he were any other candidate, being a creationist would be a problem.

Fortunately, since he respects the first amendment, it wont be a problem.
 
2007-12-28 05:07:26 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me

Like I said before, when I see dolphins debating issues and performing scientific research and discovering cures for the diseases that kill them, I will agree that dolphins are equal to man. Dolphins are intelligent for animals, but that doesn't take much as animals are dumb. Animals survive on basic instinct...they have no intellectual capacity nor self awareness.

AAAAAAAA I don't want to feed the troll, but when it comes to animals...

Self-awareness of animals, especially among chimpanzees and dogs, has been proven due to the following:

Alpha-awareness, and alpha pack status
Grooming
The Mirror Test
Ritual and Mating Dances, "pride"
Kohler's Chimpanzees' Cognition Tests
Pack Mentality

So shove off, troll.
 
2007-12-28 05:07:44 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Animals survive on basic instinct...they have no intellectual capacity nor self awareness.

Then you have no clear understanding of what either intellectual capacity or self-awareness means (or, for that matter, basic instinct). In fact, since you can't even spell self-awareness correctly and have shown no intellectual capacity yourself, that's not surprising.

Also, how did you like the picture I posted, with so many transitional fossils between species of dog's, cat's, and hyena's ancestors?
 
2007-12-28 05:08:31 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: when I see dolphins debating issues and performing scientific research and discovering cures for the diseases that kill them, I will agree that dolphins are equal to man

"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." -Douglas Adams
 
2007-12-28 05:08:33 PM  
Poopspasm: Since Therefore r_l_s_m's claim

FTFM.

/should learn to self-edit better
 
2007-12-28 05:08:50 PM  
I cannot believe, Ron Paul, as an MD, is a creationist. Surely he has had to treat VRE or MRSA at some point in his medical career. How anyone can clinically treat a form of bacteria that has cleary evolved within the past 50 years and pretend evolution doesn't exist is absolutely frightening. Perhaps Bevets has a quote explaining how an enterococcus developed a random trait to overcome a specific manmade antibiotic (vancomycin) or how Staph Aureus has developed a defense mechanism against 2 of the most common antibiotic families (-cillins and cephalsporins).
 
2007-12-28 05:09:45 PM  
Bring back Thor and Zeus.
 
2007-12-28 05:09:55 PM  
MFL:

We may be made up of the same matter but there is a difference between us and a rock. We are alive.


and your point is? Being alive doesn't change the fact that we are composed of matter: molecules, atoms, etc.
 
2007-12-28 05:10:50 PM  
TDUsGamer: Self-awareness of animals, especially among chimpanzees and dogs, has been proven due to the following:

Alpha-awareness, and alpha pack status
Grooming
The Mirror Test
Ritual and Mating Dances, "pride"
Kohler's Chimpanzees' Cognition Tests
Pack Mentality

So shove off, troll.


I actually had a psych prof in school who was doing some fascinating work on the creative intelligence of dolphins. They actually learned to collaborate on creative projects too, indicating that their communicative abilities are fairly well-developed. Good stuff.
 
MFL
2007-12-28 05:11:19 PM  
FlashHarryum, yes. pretty much. again, see the Miller/Urey experiment (new window)

That doesn't prove shiat. You are relying on a theory.

How do simple organic molecules form a protocell?
 
2007-12-28 05:11:23 PM  
TDUsGamer: Alpha-awareness, and alpha pack status

Eh... I'd hesitate to put that one down as evidence for self-awareness. Many species of communal lizards, like iguanas, show the same thing, and they don't really show any signs of self-awareness. Granted, I'm with Erving Goffman in that being aware of others is a critical step in being aware of yourself, but still... I'd be hard pressed to be convinced that iguanas are self-aware.

/fun fact: the alpha lizard is called the "cock lizard"
 
2007-12-28 05:11:37 PM  
Bevets: inglixthemad

Where's the incontrovertible proof evidence that God exists (see my above post) Bevets?

Bevets

John 14.6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me."

John 10.37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."

LordJiro

So the Bible is true...because the Bible says so. Convincing! Sarcasm aside, what makes the Bible more accurate than other religious texts?

Bevets

What specific part do you believe is inaccurate? Please explain your answer.


What part of that is incontrovertible proof Bevets? What version of the Gospel of (or Matthew, Mark, et al) do you believe? That's right, there's often more than one version of a particular Gospel. Some are translational differences, some are utter differences in story. The Bible is a fine thing, but as it was written by mortals (even those purportedly inspired by "God") it is flawed. Since the underlying source material you are using is flawed, your proof is unreliable. Not only that, you haven't accounted for the origins of the Creator. If you can't do that, then your whole theory is useless (by your own standards) because if "God" could just be "there", then so could the rest of the universe with life just starting on it's own...

/Bevets fails by his own standards... Again!
 
2007-12-28 05:11:39 PM  
Setsuna: MFL:

We may be made up of the same matter but there is a difference between us and a rock. We are alive.

and your point is? Being alive doesn't change the fact that we are composed of matter: molecules, atoms, etc.


cots.shaftnet.org


What is the proof that a divine spark exists in the simian brain?
 
2007-12-28 05:12:14 PM  
Poopspasm: I actually had a psych prof in school who was doing some fascinating work on the creative intelligence of dolphins. They actually learned to collaborate on creative projects too, indicating that their communicative abilities are fairly well-developed. Good stuff.

As far as I can tell one has also been trained to post quotes on a website.
 
2007-12-28 05:13:56 PM  
MFL: FlashHarryum, yes. pretty much. again, see the Miller/Urey experiment (new window)

That doesn't prove shiat. You are relying on a theory.

How do simple organic molecules form a protocell?


excuse me, it proved that organic compounds could arise from inorganic molecules.
 
2007-12-28 05:14:22 PM  
whatshisname: Poopspasm: I actually had a psych prof in school who was doing some fascinating work on the creative intelligence of dolphins. They actually learned to collaborate on creative projects too, indicating that their communicative abilities are fairly well-developed. Good stuff.

As far as I can tell one has also been trained to post quotes on a website.


Now that's an insult to dolphins everywhere.

inglixthemad: /Bevets fails by his own standards... Again!

He has standards? Coulda fooled me.
 
2007-12-28 05:14:46 PM  
Kome: rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Animals survive on basic instinct...they have no intellectual capacity nor self awareness.

Then you have no clear understanding of what either intellectual capacity or self-awareness means (or, for that matter, basic instinct). In fact, since you can't even spell self-awareness correctly and have shown no intellectual capacity yourself, that's not surprising.

Also, how did you like the picture I posted, with so many transitional fossils between species of dog's, cat's, and hyena's ancestors?


I already know what his response will be. "But where are the transitional fossils between those fossils?" And he'll continue splitting hairs ad infinitum.
 
2007-12-28 05:14:48 PM  
Bevets:
What specific part do you believe is inaccurate? Please explain your answer.


ANd the biblical contradictions I posted? Or are you going to ignore them?
 
2007-12-28 05:17:08 PM  
mylonitic: And he'll continue splitting hairs ad infinitum.

as long as he doesn't split infinitives.
 
2007-12-28 05:17:26 PM  
whatshisname
As far as I can tell one has also been trained to post quotes on a website.

As a computer trained dolphin I'm getting a kick out of your replies....
 
2007-12-28 05:17:47 PM  
keithgabryelski: rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What did the first animal on the planet evolve from?

This can be answered by "god did it" and evolution can still be 100% correct (since evolution does not attempt to conclude how first life forms were created).

Doesn't that violate the law of physicis that states that you can't create something from nothing?

You can't create new matter -- matter can be manipulated into other forms. two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom can be combined to form water.

What do you believe is "created" that violates any laws of physics?

Evolution cannot explain how the first organism came to be.

Evolution does not attempt to explain this. It never has. There are other studies that attempt to explain the origin of life and they have NOTHING to do with evolution.

please do not ignore my previous response to you, either


Okay, I believe most Darwinists believe that evolution explains the origin of life. I believe Darwin's own book was entitled The Origin of Species or something similar.

If you concede that evolution does not explain the origin of life and that the answer could be god did it, why can't you also be open minded to the notion that god created man? Again, why is man so superior to the other dumb animals? What evolutionary process allowed the superior intelligent lifeform in man to evolve from animals that are far inferior to us? What do animals invent? What diseases do they discover the cure for? Animals do little else than eat, drink, mate, and sleep. You can teach some animals to do tricks because they are capable of learning by association but that doesn't make them comparable or even close to comparable to man.
 
2007-12-28 05:21:26 PM  
mylonitic: I already know what his response will be. "But where are the transitional fossils between those fossils?" And he'll continue splitting hairs ad infinitum.

Of course. And just like with Zeno, the tortoise will always win* for rush. But just because he lacks the intelligence to comprehend what is being presented to him doesn't mean that other people reading this thread also lack it.

*allusion to Zeno's hypothetical race between a tortoise and Achilles, for those who didn't waste an elective in college on a philosophy course.
 
2007-12-28 05:21:27 PM  
MFL: How do simple organic molecules form a protocell?

to answer your canned creationist talking-point question, here area couple of theories. (new window) scientific theories - which are, of course, different than everyday theories. but then you knew that already.
 
MFL
2007-12-28 05:21:48 PM  
Setsuna and your point is? Being alive doesn't change the fact that we are composed of matter: molecules, atoms, etc.

The matter of what we are made of doesn't show how life is created. Somthing that is alive is entirely different than an innate object.
 
2007-12-28 05:22:00 PM  
Where's the evolution list?
 
2007-12-28 05:22:57 PM  
REOIV: keithgabryelski
No, one can present a computer model that simulates the mechanics of evolution, One can infer its results on biological entities over long periods of time.

That is nice I can make a computer model that simulates the mechanics of being God. Hell they have a couple video games about it Black and White and the Sims...does that mean I can then Infer God Exists because a computer model said so?


I did not mock you, please refrain from such activity when you respond to me.

You have compared two different beasts -- yes, it is true that a designer could exist, I can create a computer model simulating such activity.

We were talking about the proof for evolution. Evolution can be shown, through a computer model, to successfully create more complex life from less complex life.


Which, given enough evidence, would be proof.
Wrong you have evidence of something happening but not the smoking gun to prove your assertions.


What is a smoking gun but "enough evidence".

You're thinking that amounts of evidence = proof, but that isn't the case if it were all crime scene detectives would have to do is gather up ass loads of evidence and that would be proof enough of the crime, even if their theory is wildly far fetched as long as it is scientifically possible then it should be true because of the evidence.


That is *indeed* what crime scene detectives do. What constitutes evidence is probably the more interesting concern -- and what constitutes greater evidence.

Ever hear of Occam's razor? Same situation but applicable to science in this case. Just because something follows known science doesn't make it 'TRUE.'

It means we have a good idea and all signs point to yes but that is all we really know. But since we don't have the same preponderance of evidence to the contrary we will assume it works this way and move forward. That is how science works. Science at its very core is evolution. If a hypothesis doesn't work it doesn't go forward and dies off or it is modified and tested again. There is a reason not believing in evolution is so abhorrent to scientists, it is because not believing in evolution is tantamount to saying you don't believe in science.


You are again comparing apples and oranges. My claim was that evolution is quite possible and provable -- not that humans actually evolved using this mechanism (although I am willing to argue that point, as well -- I have not argued it in this thread).


No, much like, if I throw a rock up in the air, all things being equal, it will drop to the ground.
Yeah but you can see the rock drop to the ground. Remember there are no witnesses to evolution.


Again, yes -- on can see evolution.

If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound?
Yes.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?
The egg.

This is what we are discussing here. We can assume the tree makes a sound because it displaces air but we don't ever really know because no one was there to 'observe it.'


Don't be absurd.


No, it is not "as likely" because "vampires" don't exist.
Evolution, the mechanism, does and it can be shown.

A boogie man is as likely as a vampire is as likely as God is as likely as a Unicorn. They are all equally possible/improbable at the same time.


We agree.

You can't 'prove' vampires don't exist much like you can't 'prove' God doesn't exist.


You can't prove a negative.


Science uses science to prove its existence does it not?


Science uses a method called the scientific method to prove theories.

The scientific method is form by logic.

*science* does not prove existence.

Science is logical, though.

Try to prove any high level scientific theories without referencing more science to do so.


Using the tools you have is logical. Building on top of the tools you have is logical.

Now think about the logic of telling people you can't use the bible to prove the bible is correct but don't mind me using science to prove science is correct. It is asinine even though logical.


No -- again apples and oranges. made up shiat is just that. Reference to some logical first principle and then we are talking.
 
2007-12-28 05:23:18 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Okay, I believe most Darwinists believe that evolution explains the origin of life.

I think we found the problem. You have no clue what evolution is.
 
2007-12-28 05:23:32 PM  
Mayhem_2006: Bevets:
What specific part do you believe is inaccurate? Please explain your answer.


ANd the biblical contradictions I posted? Or are you going to ignore them?


Of course he will ignore it. All he does is cherry pick the ideas he wants and ignores the rest. Typical creationist behavior.
 
2007-12-28 05:23:45 PM  
MFL: Somthing that is alive is entirely different than an innate object.

Not so much as you might think. It's difficult to even define life. We're alive so we think life is a miracle. In fact it's just an organization of bio-chemical processes.
 
2007-12-28 05:23:50 PM  
MFL: We may be made up of the same matter but there is a difference between us and a rock.

for some value of *different*.
 
2007-12-28 05:23:54 PM  
drnugget: I remember a girlfriend in college laughing that 'we didn't come from monkeys'. She was the first person I knew who thought like that and I thought it was so weird. 15 years later and I am still astounded every time someone refuses to acknowledge the science behind evolution and the complete lack of substance behind creationism.

Care to explain why we differ in number of chromosomes?
 
2007-12-28 05:23:57 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Okay, I believe most Darwinists believe that evolution explains the origin of life. I believe Darwin's own book was entitled The Origin of Species or something similar.

That's where you fail. Evolution says nothing about the origins of life. That field is called abiogenesis and several links have already been posted on it. But feel free to continue ignoring them. If you can't understand the difference between the origin of life and the origin of species, then you have no business arguing about either. Hint: origin of species = speciation.
 
2007-12-28 05:24:39 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What do animals invent? What diseases do they discover the cure for? Animals do little else than eat, drink, mate, and sleep. You can teach some animals to do tricks because they are capable of learning by association but that doesn't make them comparable or even close to comparable to man.

why aren't you as smart as einstein? why aren't you as handsome as clive owen? why don't you look exactly like your mother or your father?

you clearly do not understand the concept of natural selection or the sheer magnitude of geologic time.
 
2007-12-28 05:25:04 PM  
40below
I think Bevets is a paid Ron Paul operative, given how he's successfully diverted all attention from the point of the article.

Not at all. The Bevets bot has been operating on Fark for a couple of years now, long before Ron Paul went famous.

I will venture the theory of mine that Bevets is not a real troll but an actual bot program that does nothing but scan threads for the word "evolution" and interjects the usual sets of quotes. It looks like the bot was upgraded with more quotes and better word sensitivity. Anyone notice how there is no actual discussion with Bevets but a series of random quotes that fit the agenda of the original operator? Many people have responded and asked direct questions that the program isn't capable of analyzing. That is the strength and weakness of the Bevets bot. This upgrade was not a true evolution because there was no actual learning, merely a hardwired information dump without capability of learning.
TDUsGamer [TotalFark] Quote 2007-12-28 05:02:34 PM
BATTLE UPDATE

Bevets attack reduced to "quoting phrases instead of facts"

His armor is weakened. Prepare for final assault.



Won't wash. Bevets has NEVER quoted facts under any circumstances. The program is not capable of it. Good try, though....
 
2007-12-28 05:25:05 PM  
Ryan2065: Slightly off topic but matter can be created from energy =)

*new* being the operative word in my post.
 
2007-12-28 05:25:09 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Okay, I believe most Darwinists believe that evolution explains the origin of life. I believe Darwin's own book was entitled The Origin of Species or something similar.

These Darwinists you speak of, they don't know what they are talking about. Yes, I know, they are on both sides of the debate. Just because they are on my side doesn't mean they aren't idiots.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: If you concede that evolution does not explain the origin of life and that the answer could be god did it, why can't you also be open minded to the notion that god created man?

If he created man through evolution, then sure. But the fossil record disagress with the notion that man was created as he was.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Again, why is man so superior to the other dumb animals?

Because of language.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What evolutionary process allowed the superior intelligent lifeform in man to evolve from animals that are far inferior to us?

I'd say survival of the fittest but that is just me.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What do animals invent?

They make things that are new to them and that is all that matters in terms of inventions.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What diseases do they discover the cure for?

Not sure of any. What diseases did you discover the cure for?

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Animals do little else than eat, drink, mate, and sleep.

Depends which ones you are talking about.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: You can teach some animals to do tricks because they are capable of learning by association but that doesn't make them comparable or even close to comparable to man.

Depends which man you are talking about.
 
2007-12-28 05:26:02 PM  
KaponoFor3: AlanSmithee: Wha? Dunno of any large gaps. That's something one could have argued one hundred years ago, but certainly not today.

When I say large gaps I'm really just referring to the huge amount of fossil evidence that, over time, has been lost. When I took my general anthropology classes at UCLA in the early 2000's, almost every anthropology professor was of the position that there were huge "gaps" in the fossil record and that we really just have to go with what we have an extrapolate our best theories about what happened.

Major Malfunction: Many saner, non-Evangelical branch Christians are okay with God-as-initiator.

Exactly. Then again, those who view the Bible itself as infallible and read it literally probably do view them as mutually exclusive. But those people seem to be the clear fringe group and definitely don't work in large numbers in the sciences.


Why are there gaps? science does'nt works by "extrapolation" it works on proof. Tell your retard professor that.
 
2007-12-28 05:26:39 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: If you concede that evolution does not explain the origin of life and that the answer could be god did it, why can't you also be open minded to the notion that god created man?

Because the notion that God created the first forms of life is not the same as the idea that God created man. The latter we can already explain, parsimoniously, without invoking divinity.

Again, why is man so superior to the other dumb animals? What evolutionary process allowed the superior intelligent lifeform in man to evolve from animals that are far inferior to us?

Man is superior because man says we're superior.
Abraham Lincoln once asked, "How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?" His answer was, "Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." (I'm paraphrasing, but it's close, so I'm putting it in quotes)
 
2007-12-28 05:26:58 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Ok, humans are *smarter*, but again, I invite you to wrestle a gorilla. Or find more fish under sand than a dolphin (without the aid of tools). Or out-climb a chimp. Animals are *perfectly* adapted for their roles. Humans, for some reason or another, developed the capability to build more sophisticated tools, such as weapons, which, in turn, served to replace any natural defenses or abilities. Our *only* special trait is our brain; otherwise, we're weak, defenseless, naked apes.
 
2007-12-28 05:27:37 PM  
Magruda: rush_limbaugh_sent_me: when I see dolphins debating issues and performing scientific research and discovering cures for the diseases that kill them, I will agree that dolphins are equal to man

"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." -Douglas Adams


Does Douglas Adams channel dolphins. I didn't know that man was capable of reading the minds of animals now, but if we are, doesn't that support my contention that we are much superior? The fact that a dolphin couldn't invent the wheel much less re-invent the wheel does underscore the fact they are dumb as rocks compared to us. Douglas Adams seems to be more concerned about putting down man in general rather than proving a dolphin is more intelligent than us. Can dolphins or other dumb animals build the skyscrapers in NY? Can dolphins or other dumb animals invent the weapons that we use in war? Just because man is capable of evil things is not proof that dolphins are superior...it's just proof that dolphins have no self awareness and live on basic instinct...they eat and mate and little else. Futhermore, if we accept your premise, people in 3rd world countries are more superior to us because they don't go to war? Even if they haven't figured out how to farm yet or modern plumbing? :)
 
2007-12-28 05:28:02 PM  
Magruda: rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Okay, I believe most Darwinists believe that evolution explains the origin of life.

I think we found the problem. You have no clue what evolution is.


Hey, He believes it. It has to be true.
 
2007-12-28 05:28:55 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: What do animals invent?

Beavers make dams. Birds build nests. Some apes make tools for extracting termites and ants (which they eat) from mounds.
 
2007-12-28 05:29:02 PM  
rush_limbaugh_sent_me: Oh, so amino acids just came together magically and boom, the first lifeform was created. Makes sense. Why didn't I see that before? :)

Well you're claiming an Invisible Sky Wizard created everything at once without explaining how he was just "there." Not only that, but the Invisible Sky Wizard used to be vengeful, hot-tempered, and spoke to us often, but now has just stopped talking to us like a petulant child refuses to talk after being punished. Yep, you're version makes even less sense...
 
MFL
2007-12-28 05:29:05 PM  
FlashHarry excuse me, it proved that organic compounds could arise from inorganic molecules.

to answer your canned creationist talking-point question, here area couple of theories. (new window) scientific theories - which are, of course, different than everyday theories. but then you knew that already.



I am not a creationist btw. The simple fact is that nobody has been able to create a protocell from simple organic molecules. There are a million theories on how to do so. But as of now they are just that...theories.
 
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