servlet

Let's even take out the 3 extra classic controllers, and you've spent $930 on the Wii, and we're still at $1250 on the PS3. Either way we're still dealing with large amounts of money. If the PS3 is really too expensive for anyone here then any form of console gaming is probably beyond your means. AGAIN, my point is not that the PS3 is cheaper than the Wii; my point is that the hardware of the PS3 is not exorbitantly priced. Furthermore, I will resolutely defend my position that the extra costs incurred in the purchase of a PS3 is more than worth it. Maybe you're the type that doesn't care for HD media, a Blu-Ray player, or an HDD, but don't pretend like I'm a fool for owning and enjoying these things. Spare me the hyperbole about buying a PS3 requiring a second mortgage. So yeah, maybe I'll end up spending an extra $300-400 dollars over the course of my console's life, but don't pretend like you're somehow a money-wise consumer for buying a drastically different product at a cheaper (yet significant) price. People justify spending large amounts of money on clothes, cars, houses, any other type of electronics, etc. and yet when it comes to discussions of video game consoles fanboys become frugal and miserly.

Space Station Wagon: The ps3 is clearly a better system than the 360?
What planet are you from? Read any reviews?
Ps3 is not going to last its 10 year window.
In another 2-3 years MS will be releasing its 3rd gen system
which will stomp the guts out of the future proof ps3.

If something has to say future-proof it obiviously isn't. Think titanic "unsinkable" or beanie-babie collectable.

name one console, computer or any other piece of electronics that was still cutting edge 10 years later?
That is the bull that Sony is shoveling.

I don't really care about 3 years from now. Right now, the PS3 is a better system. If Microsoft puts out a better system in the future, I will buy it then. Why would I buy the inferior system now, if I will just have to buy a new one later either way. Your logic (or lack thereof) makes no sense.

We almost got a PS3(already have the Wii), as my dad wanted it for the Blu-ray player. It would have been nice to have one(Ratchet and Clank looks fantastic), but I couldn't in good faith recommend one, due to the horrific failure rate of the PS2. So, we got a 1080p Samsung upconverting DVD player instead. It's very nice. Also, both of us are turned off of Blu-ray and HDDVD, as we both think it creates a picture so clear, that it appears to actually lower production values of whatever is being viewed.

Space Station Wagon: name one console, computer or any other piece of electronics that was still cutting edge 10 years later?

Well, I wouldn't call it cutting-edge, precisely, but the PS2 has been out for more than 7 years now, and it still seems to be doing pretty well in the market. Games are still being made for the thing, and probably will be for another year or two. It may not make it to the 10-year mark, but it'll get pretty damn close.

Imagine being one of the few who paid that insane ebay money for a ps3. You would want to kill yourself.

Jonny Wilkinson: Space Station Wagon: The ps3 is clearly a better system than the 360?
What planet are you from? Read any reviews?
Ps3 is not going to last its 10 year window.
In another 2-3 years MS will be releasing its 3rd gen system
which will stomp the guts out of the future proof ps3.

If something has to say future-proof it obiviously isn't. Think titanic "unsinkable" or beanie-babie collectable.

name one console, computer or any other piece of electronics that was still cutting edge 10 years later?
That is the bull that Sony is shoveling.

I don't really care about 3 years from now. Right now, the PS3 is a better system. If Microsoft puts out a better system in the future, I will buy it then. Why would I buy the inferior system now, if I will just have to buy a new one later either way. Your logic (or lack thereof) makes no sense.

Hello Johnny what games are you playing on this fantastic system?
All cross over titles have been proven to be better on the 360.

So you have the "sword game" and "dude tomb raider"

the 360 is better now and the next gen MS system will be better later.


Agreed the ps2 is solid because it had and has great games, which is unlike the ps3.

PS3 being the only system able to play HD games

Ummm...what?

TheNintendoKid: I have no brand loyalty, as such have went from

NES-->SNES-->PC-->PS2-->XBox 360 for my gaming needs

And I really do believe each of those was the best choice I could have made.

(Disclaimer: for the kinds of games I was into and for what I was using it for at the time.)

NES -> Genesis -> PC

once good GPUs got into PCs (plus the added bonus of modding games), there really was no reason to ever go back to a console.

Space Station Wagon:
Hello Johnny what games are you playing on this fantastic system?
All cross over titles have been proven to be better on the 360.

So you have the "sword game" and "dude tomb raider"

the 360 is better now and the next gen MS system will be better later.


Agreed the ps2 is solid because it had and has great games, which is unlike the ps3.

Like I mentioned in my above post, I do not own either yet. I am waiting for the PS3 to come out with some better original titles to take advantage of the superior hardware. Remember, the PS3 came out later and hasn't had as much time to develop yet. I beleive that this will indeed happen. It is the same argument that people had against the original XBOX. But in the end, I believe that the superior hardware of the XBOX attracted superior software.

The Homer Tax: PS3 being the only system able to play HD games

Ummm...what?

What don't you understand?

What don't you understand?

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "HD Games?"

I play games in High Definition on my 360.

LemSkroob: TheNintendoKid: I have no brand loyalty, as such have went from

NES-->SNES-->PC-->PS2-->XBox 360 for my gaming needs

And I really do believe each of those was the best choice I could have made.

(Disclaimer: for the kinds of games I was into and for what I was using it for at the time.)

NES -> Genesis -> PC

once good GPUs got into PCs (plus the added bonus of modding games), there really was no reason to ever go back to a console.

One good reason = Price
I just built a top of the line system 2 years ago, amd dual core,
SLI, all the bells and whistles. I probably wont play crysis very well.

The mod communities are not as strong or as plentiful as they were late 90 early 00's

(I used to run a DoD and firearms server off a home built machine on cable internet when it was brand new and upload and download speeds where uncapped, some of the most fun I ever had gaming)

I got a Wii when it came out. Sold it to a nice family a few weeks ago. It's an OK system, but after a few hours I found myself thinking "is that it?"

Now all I have is the 360. Love that system. I'll get a PS3 once a good exclusive game comes out.

/360 controller rules
//I like lots of buttons
///Wii is overrated

Another thing that everyone seems to forget in this wonderful discussion, is that the original xbox came out a year after the ps2 and the 360 came out a year before the ps3. Also, how many consoles has nintendo produced in that same time frame. Don't forget to figure in the life span of the product you are purchasing.

I wish I could find a time line of console releases somewhere.

\has a wii and a ps3.

So you have the "sword game" and "dude tomb raider"

You just wrote off one of the best games of 2007 because you're a fanboy. I also feel a whole lot more dignified controlling Nate Drake than I do the hyper-masculinized Marcus Fenix.

/NNNNEEERRRDDDSSS!

The Homer Tax: What don't you understand?

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "HD Games?"

I play games in High Definition on my 360.

As do I. xbox 360 in 1080p is awesome.

SeriousGeorge: servlet

Let's even take out the 3 extra classic controllers, and you've spent $930 on the Wii, and we're still at $1250 on the PS3. Either way we're still dealing with large amounts of money. If the PS3 is really too expensive for anyone here then any form of console gaming is probably beyond your means. AGAIN, my point is not that the PS3 is cheaper than the Wii; my point is that the hardware of the PS3 is not exorbitantly priced. Furthermore, I will resolutely defend my position that the extra costs incurred in the purchase of a PS3 is more than worth it. Maybe you're the type that doesn't care for HD media, a Blu-Ray player, or an HDD, but don't pretend like I'm a fool for owning and enjoying these things. Spare me the hyperbole about buying a PS3 requiring a second mortgage. So yeah, maybe I'll end up spending an extra $300-400 dollars over the course of my console's life, but don't pretend like you're somehow a money-wise consumer for buying a drastically different product at a cheaper (yet significant) price. People justify spending large amounts of money on clothes, cars, houses, any other type of electronics, etc. and yet when it comes to discussions of video game consoles fanboys become frugal and miserly.

LOL WUT? (too lazy to find the pear image)

You're then talking about $320 difference between the two! That means the wii costs about 3/4 the cost of the PS3. Where I come from, 25% difference is pretty signifigant.

My point is there are plenty of reasons out there to pick a PS3 over a wii (and vice versa, obviously). Bringing up price is just retarded. Your "but the accessories" argument works really well against the 360, where a simple wifi adapter will level the playing field, but not so much with the Wii.

Jonny Wilkinson: Right now, the PS3 is a better system.

No, it is not.

/Developer, knows of what he speaks.

Just go for whatever system has the games you want to play. Who cares if one machine is more powerful than another? And who cares if you'd rather play Ratchet and Clank, Mass Effect, or Mario Galaxy. People get so worked up over such trivial things.

Where are the Chevy/Ford arguments? Cars are a much more significant purchase. I'm surprised there aren't any Burger King/McDonald's/Wendy's arguments going on.

SeriousGeorge: servlet

Let's even take out the 3 extra classic controllers, and you've spent $930 on the Wii, and we're still at $1250 on the PS3. Either way we're still dealing with large amounts of money. If the PS3 is really too expensive for anyone here then any form of console gaming is probably beyond your means. AGAIN, my point is not that the PS3 is cheaper than the Wii; my point is that the hardware of the PS3 is not exorbitantly priced. Furthermore, I will resolutely defend my position that the extra costs incurred in the purchase of a PS3 is more than worth it. Maybe you're the type that doesn't care for HD media, a Blu-Ray player, or an HDD, but don't pretend like I'm a fool for owning and enjoying these things. Spare me the hyperbole about buying a PS3 requiring a second mortgage. So yeah, maybe I'll end up spending an extra $300-400 dollars over the course of my console's life, but don't pretend like you're somehow a money-wise consumer for buying a drastically different product at a cheaper (yet significant) price. People justify spending large amounts of money on clothes, cars, houses, any other type of electronics, etc. and yet when it comes to discussions of video game consoles fanboys become frugal and miserly.

Sure, many people will plunk down the $350 difference between the Wii and PS3 within 6 months of owning one, but you can't compare $600 RIGHT NOW, to $250 right now, then another $350 spread out over a period of several months.

If, after you've paid your bills and done your grocery shopping, you only have $300 a month to spend on luxury items (Total Fark, porn, DVDs and games), then you'll have to save up for three months in order to afford a basic PS3 with a game, while you wouldn't have to save for any amount of time to be able to buy a Wii that comes with a game.

picturescrazy: Where are the Chevy/Ford arguments? Cars are a much more significant purchase. I'm surprised there aren't any Burger King/McDonald's/Wendy's arguments going on.

Those arguments are so old and busted these days.

Ford sucks so bad it can't compete with GM and Wendy's is so much better than BK and McD's combined that it's not even worth talking about.

(C'mon, someone take that and run with it!)

The Homer Tax: I guess I don't understand what you mean by "HD Games?"

I play games in High Definition on my 360.

Not to mention, I technically play games in HD on my Wii.

720p is, technically, HD. It's not the best possible HD, certainly, but HD all the same. Besides, studies have shown that a lot of people can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p if they aren't side by side; 720p is still pretty darn good.

Oh, and a lot of the supposedly HD games aren't. They're upconverting, not true, native HD. So there's that, too.

But yeah, I can't see how anyone can claim the 360 doesn't exactly match the PS3 for HD capability, since it obviously does, if you ever bother to check the specs.


servlet: And you don't even need the classic controller unless you're buying virtual console games, so the chance of you needing 4 of them is slim, but i included them anyway.

As an added bonus, the Wii is backwards hardware compatible; you can use Gamecube controllers instead of Wii Classic controllers. So if you're one of those people who had a gamecube and 4 controllers, you can cut the classic controllers out completely as a necessary item, since you've already got compatible hardware.

#7 - Surprise! Zombies! Buttsecks!

Fixed that for them...

servlet:
Ford sucks so bad it can't compete with GM and Wendy's is so much better than BK and McD's combined that it's not even worth talking about.

Woah dude. McDonald's fries rule all.

The Homer Tax: What don't you understand?

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "HD Games?"

I play games in High Definition on my 360.

After doing some research, I stand corrected. The PS3 is the only one that supports 1080p, but the 360 supports all other formats.

RoxtarRyan: Grither: servlet:
Ford sucks so bad it can't compete with GM and Wendy's is so much better than BK and McD's combined that it's not even worth talking about.

Woah dude. McDonald's fries rule all.

Taco Bell FTW

/can't gamers just get along?

AHHH!! Of course, my bad. My only beef with Taco Bell is that there aren't enough of them! And actually Chipotle ain't half bad either.

/owns PS3 and Wii. Would get a 360 if I had the time, stupid job.

Grither: Woah dude. McDonald's fries rule all.

Granted, McD's fries are marginally better, but that's very much offset by the FAR FAR superior sandwich quality at Wendy's.

I'm not being insulting enough to start a proper flame-war am I?

Grither: Woah dude. McDonald's fries rule all.

McDonald's fries only win if (and this is a big if) they're fresh and hot. The moment they start to sit under the warmer, they start getting nasty.

This is true of most fries anywhere, but McDonald's fries seem to go bad faster, probably because they're thinner.


And on all counts other than fries, Wendy's beats McDonalds hands down. Besides, I'm looking forward to going back on my diet, where a triple burger with cheese and bacon, side of chili, and a diet coke is diet food. I just gotta take off the bun, and not get ketchup or relish on the burger.

servlet:
Granted, McD's fries are marginally better, but that's very much offset by the FAR FAR superior sandwich quality at Wendy's.

I'm not being insulting enough to start a proper flame-war am I?

Thorak:
And on all counts other than fries, Wendy's beats McDonalds hands down. Besides, I'm looking forward to going back on my diet, where a triple burger with cheese and bacon, side of chili, and a diet coke is diet food. I just gotta take off the bun, and not get ketchup or relish on the burger.

Hm, to add some spice to a much too polite fast-food flamewar, I will say this. Burgers should never, in any circumstance, be anything but ROUND. Round bun, round patty. WTF is up with the square patty and round bun?? At least White Castle has square buns to go with their patties. And honestly, if I'm getting fast food, I certainly don't want it piled high with ridiculous healthy things like fresh tomatoes, lettuce, and onions. Puh-lease.

The only perfect fast food burger on the planet is the double quarter pounder with cheese.

Why don't I like the PS3?

What can you play on it that I haven't already played on my PC/Xbox360?

Why do I have to sell my kidney to get one?

Why is this all my more financially well-off friends say about the system over and over again?

Thorak: Grither: Woah dude. McDonald's fries rule all.

McDonald's fries only win if (and this is a big if) they're fresh and hot. The moment they start to sit under the warmer, they start getting nasty.

This is true of most fries anywhere, but McDonald's fries seem to go bad faster, probably because they're thinner.

And on all counts other than fries, Wendy's beats McDonalds hands down. Besides, I'm looking forward to going back on my diet, where a triple burger with cheese and bacon, side of chili, and a diet coke is diet food. I just gotta take off the bun, and not get ketchup or relish on the burger.

Checkers FTW!

If this was a top 25 list or something, I'd put in the last five or so: EA Screws the Medal of Honor: Airborne Multiplayer. Seriously, I've never seen such a poor multiplayer interface on a PC game. Quake was better ten years ago. Hey, I've got an idea - no one on the internet uses dedicated servers, let's not have dedicated server support at launch! And then, a month later, we'll release a dedicated server patch that requires you to perform a FULL INSTALL of the game on the server! And we'll wait three weeks after that to release a real dedicated server package! Because if I know anything it's that gamers want to spend seven weeks playing the same short-ass game over and over and over again while they wait for us to fix multiplayer! Hey, I hope you like deathmatch, team deathmatch and a half-assed Battlefield 2 control point system, because objective mode will be released a short five months after launch! YAY!

Dan the Schman:
Checkers FTW!

Wow....nicely played.

Checkers rocks, but they only exist in the ghetto. Makes it worth a trip to the ghetto every now and then, though.

This Christmas me and my brother got a Wii for Christmas.

We honestly think that right now it's not "worth it" to get the Wii (or any next-Gen system) as of yet.

So we decided to return it... and get a new PS2. Our old PS2 gave us long load times and couldn't even play some games.

Finally over a year later I can play God of War since originally getting it (only to discover it not working)

Neither of us want the PS3 to play PS2 games because there's nothing about the PS3 (yet if ever) that won't be released on other systems.

Maybe someday I'll get the Wii (and keep it).

Jonny Wilkinson:
\\\The XBOX was clearly a much better system, which is why I bought it
\\\\The opposite is true here

The hardware is marginally better on the PS3. It also comes at a cost of being harder to develop for and having less flexibility.

Also, you know better hardware doesn't = better video game console.

The Dreamcast had a lot of advantages the PS2 didn't have. The Xbox was a far better machine then the PS2. The PS2 is still the most dominant console, all because of the software. Also because at one point it was the most cost effective to develop for.

The 360 is easier to develop for than the PS3, plus has a great software attachment rate.

Lumbar Puncture:
The hardware is marginally better on the PS3. It also comes at a cost of being harder to develop for and having less flexibility.

Also, you know better hardware doesn't = better video game console.

The Dreamcast had a lot of advantages the PS2 didn't have. The Xbox was a far better machine then the PS2. The PS2 is still the most dominant console, all because of the software. Also because at one point it was the most cost effective to develop for.

The 360 is easier to develop for than the PS3, plus has a great software attachment rate.

Dominant=Better. That's like saying the Wii is better than the PS3 or 360, which is rediculous
I thought that the XBOX games were better than the PS2, it just took a little while.

Jonny Wilkinson: The Homer Tax: What don't you understand?

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "HD Games?"

I play games in High Definition on my 360.

After doing some research, I stand corrected. The PS3 is the only one that supports 1080p, but the 360 supports all other formats.

360 also supports 1080p (new window)

In N' Out biatches! Although my favorite local fast food joint is The Hat. Best pastrami and best chili burger I've had.

Dissociater:
360 also supports 1080p (new window)

Well, I stand corrected again. It didn't before.

I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet... (in regards to the price difference of Wii and PS3)

Captain Hollywood: This Christmas me and my brother got a Wii for Christmas.

We honestly think that right now it's not "worth it" to get the Wii (or any next-Gen system) as of yet.

So we decided to return it... and get a new PS2. Our old PS2 gave us long load times and couldn't even play some games.

Finally over a year later I can play God of War since originally getting it (only to discover it not working)

Neither of us want the PS3 to play PS2 games because there's nothing about the PS3 (yet if ever) that won't be released on other systems.

Maybe someday I'll get the Wii (and keep it).

The Wii is weak right now. . .only a handful of games are worth playing on it. Get an Xbox 360. You won't be disappointed. Killer app after killer app for that thing. Mass Effect. . .Bioshock. . .Halo 3. . .Gears of War. . .Burnout Revenge. . .Viva Pinata. . .Guitar Hero. . . Rock Band. . .the list goes on.

/owns all 3
//ha ha!
///I love my 360
\\\\reverse slashies!

Space Station Wagon: The ps3 is clearly a better system than the 360?
What planet are you from? Read any reviews?
Ps3 is not going to last its 10 year window.
In another 2-3 years MS will be releasing its 3rd gen system
which will stomp the guts out of the future proof ps3.

If something has to say future-proof it obiviously isn't. Think titanic "unsinkable" or beanie-babie collectable.

name one console, computer or any other piece of electronics that was still cutting edge 10 years later?
That is the bull that Sony is shoveling.


Well considering I still have a PS1 in use at my house, that still gets played, i got what they meant.

oh and since we're doing game systems atrari 2600->sega master system-> sega gamegear-> sony playstation

still waiting on me having free time before i upgrade, or the wife and kids will get the wii they want.

The Wii is OK. I bought one for my niece and nephew this Christmas. Wii Tennis is fun, but Super Mario Galaxy is pretty boring and makes my fillings hurt. The camera makes me want to vomit.

My console is a PS3. It has the exclusives that I want and the features I want. If you can afford it, it's worth the money. If you can't afford it and it doesn't have anything you want, hooray for you. Have a gold star.

The 360 has some good games, from what I've played. I can't say much for its capabilities because I don't care enough.