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(Boston Globe)   Massachusetts says it's still OK to shock special ed kids, but you need a better reason than "some guy called and asked me to"   (boston.com ) divider line
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2007-12-22 09:59:58 AM  
As far as prank phone calls go, that one was pretty successful.
 
2007-12-22 10:09:22 AM  
I like pickles

...they taste like green!

/dntfa
 
2007-12-22 10:47:13 AM  
Wow, I am shocked that the state and the parent's of these kids would allow this!
 
2007-12-22 10:47:44 AM  
/I like pie....RAWR
 
2007-12-22 10:49:56 AM  
Stanley Milgram unavailable for comment.
 
2007-12-22 11:03:47 AM  
Don't shock them because some guy asked you to, shock them because they are Tardy.
 
2007-12-22 11:48:05 AM  
im in ur skool

shocking ur tards
 
2007-12-22 01:06:03 PM  
I'm a special ed kid, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2007-12-22 01:08:49 PM  
Being 'tarded? That's a tazin'!
 
2007-12-22 01:08:58 PM  
/OT - anyone look at the story on fans sending in their photoshopped pictures related to the roid scandal in MLB? Some were farkworthy, IMNSHO...
 
2007-12-22 01:09:43 PM  
Don't tase me Bro

/// Heard echoing down the hallways...
 
2007-12-22 01:10:48 PM  
Subby gets +450V for 3 seconds for doing a repeat.
 
2007-12-22 01:12:20 PM  
It's actually because the school is basically the only chance to make the kids be able to mix into society and not have to be insitutionalized their whole life.
 
2007-12-22 01:24:50 PM  
dholway: As far as prank phone calls go, that one was pretty successful.

YOU ROCK
 
2007-12-22 01:25:14 PM  
dj_bigbird: /I like pie....RAWR

I think we got a new meme, because that line just gave me a good reason to clean my screen!
 
2007-12-22 01:29:52 PM  
Jimmy want shockers.
 
2007-12-22 01:31:00 PM  
Note to self: Do NOT move to Mass. Sweet Christ! I run a group home for disabled teens and young adults in California. We are never NEVER ever allowed to use ANY restrictive devices without a human rights team approving it and under no circumstances is it permitted to even THINK about using anything that causes pain. What is this, the goddamn dark ages? People cry when able-bodied adults who knowingly resist authority get tased, but this crap is ok because it's helping them join society?

/Farking scary.
 
2007-12-22 01:35:02 PM  
Moonfisher:

The Rotenberg Center is the only facility in the country that disciplines students by shocking them, a form of punishment not inflicted on serial killers or child molesters or any of the 2.2 million inmates now incarcerated in U.S. jails and prisons. Over its 36-year history, six children have died in its care, prompting numerous lawsuits and government investigations. Last year, New York state investigators filed a blistering report that made the place sound like a high school version of Abu Ghraib. Yet the program continues to thrive-in large part because no one except desperate parents, and a few state legislators, seems to care about what happens to the hundreds of kids who pass through its gates.
 
2007-12-22 01:36:27 PM  
Moonfisher: Note to self: Do NOT move to Mass.

This.

One guess how I know.
 
2007-12-22 01:45:04 PM  
can anyone link what that guy said? You know the re-enactment something like.

Operator: Hi this is the tard shocking school how can I help you?
Caller: Hi could you shock some tards for me?
Operator: I need authorization for that.
Caller: well I'm the supervisor.
Operator: Ok then, I'll get to shockin.
Tard: I like pie Rawr.... ZAP

Not an exact quote and I in NO WAY claim this as my own but damn that was funny.
 
2007-12-22 01:46:09 PM  
Let's all just ignore the fact that Mass. is a global leader in medical science and technology.
 
2007-12-22 01:50:58 PM  
for you, ashtrey, it was by dr. funkenstein
 
2007-12-22 01:51:55 PM  
chu2dogg - "institutionalization" hasn't existed for thirty years. Get with the times, please.
 
2007-12-22 02:05:18 PM  
The shocking devices they use is usually less painful than most other methods. They aren't carrying tasers here, the shocks aren't disabling to the patients... They are akin to what you feel with those little ridiculous electric machines chiropractors used to "relax" muscle, or whatever they call the procedure.

And Donald_McRonald, the article you linked is ridiculous.

"Last year, Evelyn Nicholson sued the facility after her 17-year-old son Antwone was shocked 79 times in 18 months. Nicholson says she decided to take action after Antwone called home and told her, "Mommy, you don't love me anymore because you let them hurt me so bad.""

"You don't love me anymore"? And she fell for it? No wonder the kid is so farked up!
 
2007-12-22 02:09:55 PM  
Moonfisher: Note to self: Do NOT move to Mass. Sweet Christ! I run a group home for disabled teens and young adults in California. We are never NEVER ever allowed to use ANY restrictive devices without a human rights team approving it and under no circumstances is it permitted to even THINK about using anything that causes pain. What is this, the goddamn dark ages? People cry when able-bodied adults who knowingly resist authority get tased, but this crap is ok because it's helping them join society?

/Farking scary.


THIS

/Have had it up to here with Retard jokes on the internets and everywhere else for that matter. NOT funny!
 
2007-12-22 02:13:59 PM  
Hey, Moonfisher, I run a Massachusetts student group that's trying to shut down the center. Believe me, some of us here are actually seriously pissed off. The problem is that the JRC has carved themselves a series of nice legal loopholes that make getting rid of them nearly impossible. Furthermore, every time anybody tried to point out how barbaric their methods are, they get glowing testimonials from parents who say that the center saved their children's lives. What they claim is that the disorders they treat are so severe that electric shocks are the only method that works. It's bunk, of course, but we've had a difficult time convincing people that this isn't an acceptable "last resort." Right now we're trying to find people who work with disabled kids to explain what some of the alternatives are, because if we can counter the JRC claim that "there are no alternatives," we'll have a much easier time convincing the Mass. Legislature to act (they're discussing banning aversive therapy in Jan.)

Anyway, you sound like you might be able to explain some of the restrictions and rights that govern disability care programs. If I could talk to you about what is and isn't allowed, that'd be great, and would really seriously help. Our group is all college students, so we don't actually have any people with expertise or experience to help us counter JRC claims. Anything you could tell us about what things you do/what things you would never dream of doing would be great, since we're trying to put together press releases, information packets, and editorials with quotes from those in the field.
 
2007-12-22 02:16:35 PM  
EYE YAM SOFA KING WE TODD DID
 
2007-12-22 02:19:23 PM  
The shocking devices they use is usually less painful than most other methods. They aren't carrying tasers here, the shocks aren't disabling to the patients... They are akin to what you feel with those little ridiculous electric machines chiropractors used to "relax" muscle, or whatever they call the procedure.

If the shock wasn't painful, it wouldn't work. It's VERY painful. One state legislator who tried it described it as "the worst pain he'd ever felt" and this is what a CNN reporter had to say about it:

"When I went to the center to interview Dr. Israel, I tried the aversion shock device to gauge its power. I put one electrode on my arm and shocked myself using a remote control. I had been told by the center's employees that it feels like a bee sting or a pin prick. Let me tell you, it hurt far worse than that. Two seconds felt like two minutes. It was like a parade of pins stabbing me in the arm. I could see why students would alter their behavior after feeling that sensation."
 
2007-12-22 02:24:06 PM  
McGuire said the center has promised to eliminate delayed punishments and end the delivery of shocks to students who are sleeping.

Wow.
 
2007-12-22 02:35:53 PM  
If we don't shock the fark out of these kids, they'll start thinking it's okay to have an extra chromosome, and then before you know it the whole nation will be acting like a bunch of retards.

Oh wait...
 
2007-12-22 02:39:56 PM  
dj_bigbird: /I like pie....RAWR

ZAP!
 
2007-12-22 02:53:59 PM  
I think some of these people need to take an intro to ethics course.

Oh, who am I kidding, they'd probably just cheat they're way through it.
 
2007-12-22 03:03:06 PM  
"It's actually because the school is basically the only chance to make the kids be able to mix into society and not have to be insitutionalized their whole life."

................................

So their only hope is to receive electrical shock, and other wise be abused and humiliated.

Pain = Good

???

What a profound lack of imagination.
 
2007-12-22 03:10:09 PM  
Good. Sometimes retards need a good shocking.
 
2007-12-22 03:46:11 PM  
I for one welcome our new retard-electrocuting overlords.
 
2007-12-22 04:01:32 PM  
I know someone who teaches ethics. At the beginning of the course, 95% of the students say that they already have "the highest standard of ethical conduct." The other 5% says they have an "average standard of ethical conduct." No one has a low standard.

He turns in about 10% for plagiarizing their term paper or cheating on the exam. Someone must be fibbing a little.
 
2007-12-22 04:16:59 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: What kind of dumbasses do they have working there? Doesn't sound like much of a prank.

[ring, ring, ring]
School Guy> Hello. This is Tard Shockin' School. How can I help you?

Prankster> Hello. Would you please shock some tards?

School Guy> I need proper authorization for that.

Prankster> OK, I'm the boss. Now get to shocking.

School Guy> Right away, sir.

Tard> I like pie...rawr...[ZAP]



Link (new window)
 
2007-12-22 04:33:31 PM  
Barbarism.
 
2007-12-22 04:48:04 PM  
Out of context but hey this is fark.com

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/189

About this Talk

Sherwin Nuland, the surgeon and author, talks about the development of electroshock therapy as a cure for severe, life-threatening depression. Midway through, his story turns personal. It's a moving and deeply felt talk about relief, redemption, second chances.

About Sherwin Nuland

A practicing surgeon for three decades, Sherwin Nuland witnessed life and death in every variety. Then he turned to writing, exploring what there is to people beyond just anatomy. »
 
2007-12-22 05:31:03 PM  
My God... I think the real retards are the ones running the program. Do the doctors in Massachusetts still bleed patients?
 
2007-12-22 05:46:09 PM  
I got in a bunch of trouble when I was a kid, in and out of school. I ended up at a special school of some sort - It's sort of like a group home - but bigger - think group home on a college scale.

Most of the kids there were just rotten spoiled bastards who didn't give a rats ass about anything or anybody (including) themselves. Couple of the dorms had the 'tard kids ranging from minor - to the helmet wearing kids in wheelchairs who couldn't talk.

I remember one kid who was nicknamed 'Grill Cheese' - not sure what his deal was - but maybe something along the lines of autism. Either way. if he saw a grilled cheese or heard one mentioned - he'd basically lay a beatdown on the closest person to him at the time. In other words if you were walking next to him and someone yelled grilled cheese - he'd turn and beat the living snot out of you just because you were there. Occasionally you'd see an ad on tv or hear one over a radio - and then someone got a beat down :p

Here's their website http://www.grafton.org/locations/berryville.html

Judging by the pics - looks like they really spiffed it up since I was there (92/93).

Anyway my point is - alot of these kids really were going down the drain in life. I could see something like what was used in the article benefiting them - However - it sounds like they really abused the shiat out of the system and basically tortured those kids.

On the other hand - I think I would have made my best effort to kill or injure anybody who would have zapped me with one of those things as a kid.

:O
 
2007-12-22 07:19:54 PM  
Spongiform: I remember one kid who was nicknamed 'Grill Cheese' - not sure what his deal was - but maybe something along the lines of autism. Either way. if he saw a grilled cheese or heard one mentioned - he'd basically lay a beatdown on the closest person to him at the time. In other words if you were walking next to him and someone yelled grilled cheese - he'd turn and beat the living snot out of you just because you were there. Occasionally you'd see an ad on tv or hear one over a radio - and then someone got a beat down :p

Got Damn... that was funny!

\Grilled cheese!
\\punch-slap-kick
 
2007-12-22 07:32:55 PM  
luckybastard: Doctor Funkenstein: What kind of dumbasses do they have working there? Doesn't sound like much of a prank.

[ring, ring, ring]
School Guy> Hello. This is Tard Shockin' School. How can I help you?

Prankster> Hello. Would you please shock some tards?

School Guy> I need proper authorization for that.

Prankster> OK, I'm the boss. Now get to shocking.

School Guy> Right away, sir.

Tard> I like pie...rawr...[ZAP]


Link (new window)



Doctor Funkenstein owned that thread
 
2007-12-22 07:38:59 PM  
Moonfisher: Note to self: Do NOT move to Mass.

Echoing the "This".

I work with developmentally disabled adults. We don't do this shiat. Ever. There is *no* reason for electric shock therapy. It's abuse, plain and simple.

And folks in this thread with the 'tard jokes? I know this is Fark, but go fark yourselves. (And yes, I know the filter will make that last sentence unintentionally funny, but I don't care.)
 
2007-12-22 08:27:16 PM  
Spongiform - pffff. How the hell did you get away with living at that posh resort?

I got bounced around from one stinky, rodent-infested psychiatric ward to another as a kid. The kind of place where you hoped that a) there was some sort of communal television and b) your roommate wasn't going to smoother you in your sleep or refuse to put on clothes or smear poop all over the walls.

/wifey (aka not the guy in the profile) :P
 
2007-12-23 12:36:06 AM  
Ding fries are done?
 
2007-12-23 12:59:14 AM  
For the record, I am opposed to shocking anyone but Donald Trump, but goddam, this made me laugh my ass off for about 3 minutes solid:

/I like pie....RAWR

I know Dr. Funkenstein came up with it first... for some reason the RAWR part is what gets me, every time. I'm laughing now...

The grilled cheese story was pretty funny, too. What in the world could grilled cheese have done to that kid to make him so angry? Grilled cheese makes me very, very happy.
 
2007-12-23 02:19:06 AM  
Sorry. What? I was on the phone.
 
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