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2007-12-20 01:55:36 PM  

tekjansen
GaryPDX
Pope Schizoid
TeddyRooseveltsMustache:


Would any of you vote for Obama? My mind is clouded with partisan optimism and I don't know if he attracts people who aren't reflexive Democratic voters...
 
2007-12-20 01:55:37 PM  
GaryPDX
Sir Roderick Glossop:

And my guess is there isn't much that she can say or do to convince you do think otherwise. I don't know why so many of my fellow Democrats think she is more "electable" than Obama. Fairly or unfairly, she is a pretty polarizing figure.

Are you kidding me? She's a socialist hag who wants to be the "Oracle of Delphi" bestowing her blessings on the poor dumb whithered masses. She's tasted power and she hungers for it, she wants to be "Goddess Hillary of Planet Earth, All Knowing, All Blessing Provider of the little chillins of the Earth".

There's no farking way that wicked witch should ever become POTUS. She wants to seize an entire private industry and fold into a government bureaucracy. That makes me, and The Founders, kinda stabby.

Don't get me started on the choking stench of her evil bile.

Amen brother!
 
2007-12-20 01:56:06 PM  
img86.imageshack.us
If elected Hillary will put this dbag to shame. She's power hungry in a big way.
 
2007-12-20 01:56:32 PM  
figured she would have consulted with the internets inventor, Mr Gore first....
 
2007-12-20 01:56:40 PM  
fenianfark: que.guero: /would hit it, if only for the wattle...Wow. Was that an Ally McBeal reference?/Don't ask me how I know.

I know how you know.

www.polyfro.com
 
2007-12-20 01:56:58 PM  
Once again.. we have the choice between a steaming pile of donkey crap.. or a festering pile of elephant dung.

None of the front-line candidates give a crap about anything but obtaining MORE POWER for themselves. Screw the Constitution. They wipe their asses with it.

Ron Paul FTW.
 
2007-12-20 01:57:07 PM  
Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The word "NO". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA".

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
2007-12-20 01:57:21 PM  
sigdiamond2000
Actually, the "vast right-wing conspiracy", if you want to call it that, is invested in a Hillary victory. Bad news for her is bad news for them.

Wakey wakey... the crazytrain is stopping now, time for you to get off.
 
2007-12-20 01:57:45 PM  
Shaggy_C look feller, the bar is set so low it doesn't matter if she believes god put her in her position of power or not that rationale is still far, far, far, less loony than believing in creationism.
 
2007-12-20 01:57:51 PM  
Vote Obama, that guy has his sheit togeather.
 
2007-12-20 01:58:03 PM  
Didnt some Paulites do the same thing? She is on the level of Ron Paul. Or is it Paul on the level of her?

/fans me some flames
 
2007-12-20 01:58:08 PM  
SELECT * FROM hilary_clinton_campaigners WHERE common_sense > 0;
0 rows returned
 
2007-12-20 01:59:00 PM  
Ace Frehley's Ghost: Shaggy_C: Ugh, what a cowardly biatch. I'm glad the MSM picked up on this; maybe some of the hillbilly morans who support her will finally start looking elsewhere.

I know a few hillbillies... none of them support Hillary.


Well if the hillbillies ain't fer her, I ain't gonna vote fer her!

Aah, another thread proving the old maxim: there's no hate like liberal hate.
 
2007-12-20 01:59:06 PM  
TechieZero: Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The words "NO Go fark yourself!". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA can go fark yourself".

FTFY
 
2007-12-20 01:59:28 PM  
Also,

d.yimg.com

d.yimg.com

image.guardian.co.uk

:D
 
2007-12-20 01:59:32 PM  
They all suck
 
2007-12-20 01:59:37 PM  
Shaggy_C: Ace Frehley's Ghost: I know a few hillbillies... none of them support Hillary.

I just get the feeling her support comes from mouth-breathing idiots who know nothing of her politics or even watch the news; they only hear her name and think that's all that matters. They're one step above the knuckledraggers who 'just wanna stick it to them Republicans!' Dumb, dumb, dumb.


Hmm...I wonder where that elitist perception comes from...
 
2007-12-20 02:00:14 PM  
atomicmask: Vote Obama, that guy has his sheit togeather.

"But but but he doesnt have enough experience."
I will ask those people, so you want a lifelong politician and insider again?

I like obama a lot, I hope he kicks hillary's ass in the primaries. I hope it isnt even close. I wont discount hillary's ability to make that not happen, but I really want to see him president.
 
2007-12-20 02:00:17 PM  
You guys all need to read The Communist Manifesto.

There's the part where Marx explains how the people in power, who are basically businessmen, manipulate poor people using various techniques...demagogy, religion, etc. Some of these methods are employed by America's political Right, and others by the Political Left. But when you take a second and look...you see they're the same party.

I think for this reason that people who call Hillary a "commie" just. Don't. Get. It.
 
2007-12-20 02:01:17 PM  
Rational Exuberance: You can make very strong capitalist arguments for things like police and fire protection - police protection is an extension of property rights, and fire protection are a protection against externalities.

No such luck in health care - that's just risk management. If you say private health insurance doesn't work, you are effectively saying insurance as a whole doesn't work.


Dude, no one chooses to get cancer or the flu or some genetic defect for which no insurance company will sell them a policy. I think the whole "it's your fault if your sick" argument is way overblown. How many times have you been sick and really felt that it was your own fault? I'm sick right now (very bad cold) and I take excellent care of myself.

And you can make very strong capitalist arguments for health care as well. If people can't take care of themselves then how are they going to be able to work in the first place? If people go bankrupt because of a medical emergency then how is that good for the economy?

And police and fire are risk management as well. You can cut your chances of needing police protection by living in better neighborhoods. Similarly, you can cut your chances of needing fire protection by simple prevention. But even if you do all of that you may still need one of those services someday. It's the same way with health care. You can do everything in your power to be as healthy as possible but you can't help it if you get cancer someday or catch tuberculosis from a coworker.

Private health insurance doesn't work because people don't usually have a choice as to whether they need health care or not. Just like no one decides that they want to have their house broken into. Yet, we somehow can understand that having private police forces is not in the best interest of society but we can't quite seem to make the same connection for health care? Actually, from what I've read, the majority of people do make that connection.
 
2007-12-20 02:01:28 PM  
Another College Dropout: SELECT * FROM hilary_clinton_campaigners WHERE common_sense > 0;0 rows returned

SELECT max(teh_funny) from posts_by_another_college_dropout;

max
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0

TechieZero: Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The word "NO". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA". Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

How is this different from an HMO?
 
2007-12-20 02:01:59 PM  
Shaggy_C: Ace Frehley's Ghost: I know a few hillbillies... none of them support Hillary.

I just get the feeling her support comes from mouth-breathing idiots who know nothing of her politics or even watch the news; they only hear her name and think that's all that matters. They're one step above the knuckledraggers who 'just wanna stick it to them Republicans!' Dumb, dumb, dumb.


Funny, most of the knuckledraggers I know support the future Giuliani/9-11 ticket. Amusing when you realize that the people most vehemently opposed to Giuliani are the ones that LIVED in NY during 9/11.
 
2007-12-20 02:02:21 PM  
img85.imageshack.us

...mmmmmmmm...teh hawtness!
 
2007-12-20 02:02:22 PM  
Never hire regular geeks or political hacks for black net ops.

Hire sneaky black ops experts.

Thanks for taking my consulting gig biatches.
 
2007-12-20 02:02:54 PM  
sseye: TechieZero: Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The word "NO". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA". Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

How is this different from an HMO?


Atleast HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency to save money, I have yet to see a government agency operate with that in mind.
 
2007-12-20 02:03:13 PM  
robsul82: And their defense is "Well, Obama's got a website cataloguing our personal attacks against him, so there!" WTF?

That wasn't their defense. Their defense was that the new web-sites would not be used for negative campaigning.

To me it looks like ABC has found Hillary guilty of thought crime. I don't have any love for this candidate but is seems a little unfair to condemn her for something that she was intending to do. I mean the site was apparently going to go after Obama on his voting record. Even if this is true, everyone (I hope) would agree that voting records should always be on the table. I don't consider this negative campaigning. Additionally, have they demonstrated that Hillary and company were trying to hide the ownership/registration of the web-sites. That would appear to fundamental to ABC's article but they don't talk about that at all.
 
2007-12-20 02:03:18 PM  
Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)
 
2007-12-20 02:03:49 PM  
TechieZero: Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The word "NO". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA".

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.


In other words, exactly what we have right now.
 
2007-12-20 02:03:53 PM  
img47.imageshack.us
 
2007-12-20 02:03:57 PM  
I doubt that either Clinton or Obama will be the Democratic nomination. One has too much baggage and the other not enough experience (and it shows). Edwards in my opinion is the most likely candidate (unless Gore throws his hat into the ring at the last minute - then it's a toss up).

I would love to vote for a woman or minority candidate on principle, but I sure as hell am not going to vote for yet another presidential legacy candidate, and I think that Obama has spent too much time staring at his navel rather than looking to the horizon. The straw that broke the camel's back for me with Obama was his promise to take money from the space program and redirect it to education. I'm all for education (my wife and I are both public school teachers), but that simply isn't a worthwhile trade off.

It's too bad the Republican candidates are not promising. For all the issues with the Bush administration, I still think that a divided government tends to govern best. I lean conservative, and I thought that Republicans had a chance to make good on their stated principles after the 2002 elections, but they blew it. I am more convinced than ever that we need a Democratic legislature and Republican President (or vis versa).

(Or better yet, viable third parties that make coalitions a necessary part of the system. Too bad that isn't likely to happen any time soon.)
 
2007-12-20 02:04:51 PM  
tweekster: Atleast HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency to save money

yes, they make a profit denying paying customers care they need.
 
2007-12-20 02:05:24 PM  
img85.imageshack.us

Aww yeah. Teh hot pix keep comin'!
 
2007-12-20 02:05:41 PM  
GaryPDX: Are you kidding me? She's a socialist hag who wants to be the "Oracle of Delphi" bestowing her blessings on the poor dumb whithered masses. She's tasted power and she hungers for it, she wants to be "Goddess Hillary of Planet Earth, All Knowing, All Blessing Provider of the little chillins of the Earth".

I can't tell if this is meant to sound crazy of you're actually being sincere.

Her problem isn't that she's a "power hungry socialist", because that's gibbering hyperbole. Truth is, her positions on most issues are pretty reasonable and pragmatic. Her problem, as demonstrated here, is that she's a machine politician. Her entire campaign strategy is to game the system with manipulation and focus groups, putting perception before honest representation. In other words, do exactly the same thing that the right-wing has been doing with "values voters" for the last decade.
 
2007-12-20 02:06:46 PM  
Yeah? Exactly how sexy is your grandmother, crawlspace?
 
2007-12-20 02:06:54 PM  
crawlspace: Aww yeah. Teh hot pix keep comin'!

Give it a rest. We all know you'd rather nail Rudy in his prom dress, so how about a nice tall bowl of f*** instead?
 
2007-12-20 02:07:26 PM  
GaryPDX:

Are you kidding me? She's a socialist hag

Please expand upon this. Single payer healthcare is on the table, but also supported by all the other Democrats, what makes Hilary so much more of a "socialist hag."(nice gendered name-calling...)

who wants to be the "Oracle of Delphi" bestowing her blessings on the poor dumb whithered masses.

I don't know about you, but I want my president to be intelligent. Electing the idiot next door has brought us 7 years of disaster. Who still thinks voting for an idiot is a good idea?

She's tasted power and she hungers for it, she wants to be "Goddess Hillary of Planet Earth, All Knowing, All Blessing Provider of the little chillins of the Earth".

Running for president is, by definition, ambitious, but again I don't see what makes Hilary any more ambitious than any of the other dozen candidates running for president. Is ambition only cute when it's a man doing it, but the work of a "hag" or "biatch" when a woman seeks power?

There's no farking way that wicked witch should ever become POTUS. She wants to seize an entire private industry and fold into a government bureaucracy. That makes me, and The Founders, kinda stabby.

The founders never intended corporations to have anywhere near as much power as they currently are allowed to have. This private industry has given us the most expensive and yet least effective healthcare system in the entire industrialized world. If you work for an insurance company, fine, you're looking out for yourself at the expense of the rest of us. If you don't work in the industry then you are one of their many useful idiots.

Don't get me started on the choking stench of her evil bile.

Please do get started, all you've offered up so far is name-calling, stereotypes, and emotion. I'd like to see actual policy discussions.
 
2007-12-20 02:07:28 PM  
tweekster: sseye: TechieZero: Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The word "NO". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA". Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.How is this different from an HMO?

Atleast HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency to save money, I have yet to see a government agency operate with that in mind.


Medicaid spends 1% of its budget on paperwork. Private health insurance spends 20%. And a good part of that is focused on denying you coverage. Stick that up your ass and light the fuse.

Let's see, you can argue with a giant uncaring beaurocracy, or you can argue with a giant uncaring beaurocracy who is trying to make money by farking you over, and you choose the latter. What a genius.

HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency - is it too late for a new entry in the Stupidest Quotes of 2007?
 
2007-12-20 02:08:25 PM  
crawlspace: Aww yeah. Teh hot pix keep comin'!

This picture proves one thing: there's no hate like liberal hate.
 
2007-12-20 02:08:29 PM  
just_another_farker: Not all of the uninsured in this country fit that description. There's more out there like me, single mom of 2, working full time, driving a used car and don't have health insurance because our wonderful gov't says I make too much money for assistance when I can barely scrape by most months. Our healthcare system does need reformed. No, I don't know what the solution is, but it's not working as it is.

I don't know what to tell you. It sounds like your fault. Just because health-care costs are skyrocketing faster than the rate of inflation doesn't mean you can't just make lots more money every year, right? Where are some free-market fans to back me up here?

Besides, if you were born rich you wouldn't have these problems.
 
2007-12-20 02:08:43 PM  
Pincy

I don't like the lack of choice I would get under nationalized health care. Not with the health care itself so much as the fact that I wouldn't have as much disposable income to spend on anything else.

I'm willing to contribute money so poor folks can have health coverage, but honestly, not 70% of my paycheck (which is what most pay over here in Germany). I make around $150k, which puts me in what used to be America's "middle class," and I feel like I'm going take it in the shorts on this while poor folks and rich folks benefit. No thanks, unless you can explain it better.
 
2007-12-20 02:09:06 PM  
MagusAzod: I thought that Republicans had a chance to make good on their stated principles after the 2002 elections, but they blew it.

I'd have to disagree with you there. They have managed to instill a sense of pessimism and distrust of government, slash taxes for the super wealthy and cut social spending dramatically, and start a war that will continue to reap enormous wealth for their friends and cronies for decades to come. I'd say they are pretty much batting 1000 at this point.
 
2007-12-20 02:09:06 PM  
Shaggy_C: Ugh, what a cowardly biatch. I'm glad the MSM picked up on this; maybe some of the hillbilly morans who support her will finally start looking elsewhere.

Did you RTFA? Cowardly how? Did Hillary and company have a web-site which bashed Obama? No? Were they intending to have a web-site that went after Obama's voting record? Probably. Were they going to hide the fact that they were behind the web-site? This was not indicating in the article.

So she is guilty of maybe intending to do something that may or may not have been considered negative advertising. I think we should lynch her.
 
2007-12-20 02:09:48 PM  
sseye: SELECT max(teh_funny) from posts_by_another_college_dropout;

max
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0


Didn't I tell you I dropped out??? It's no mistake
\I obviously made the website in question
 
2007-12-20 02:09:58 PM  
Pincy: Dude, no one chooses to get cancer or the flu or some genetic defect for which no insurance company will sell them a policy. I think the whole "it's your fault if your sick" argument is way overblown. How many times have you been sick and really felt that it was your own fault? I'm sick right now (very bad cold) and I take excellent care of myself.

It's like every other form of insurance - some things you can control, and some things you can't. Auto insurance works the same way - I can't control the other idiot driver, but I can control part of my risk profile. Sometimes its your fault, and sometimes its not. A good insurance system quantifies that risk. Single payer does not.

Pincy: And you can make very strong capitalist arguments for health care as well. If people can't take care of themselves then how are they going to be able to work in the first place? If people go bankrupt because of a medical emergency then how is that good for the economy?

That's actually a socialist argument, not a capitalist one - you are making an argument based on what's perceived to be good for society as a whole, rather than the individual.

Pincy: And police and fire are risk management as well. You can cut your chances of needing police protection by living in better neighborhoods. Similarly, you can cut your chances of needing fire protection by simple prevention. But even if you do all of that you may still need one of those services someday. It's the same way with health care. You can do everything in your power to be as healthy as possible but you can't help it if you get cancer someday or catch tuberculosis from a coworker.

No, because if police and fire protection were risk management people would pay different rates depending on where they lived and how fire prone their place was. Risk isn't a factor - you know the fire department will come help, whether you pay taxes or not.

Pincy: Private health insurance doesn't work because people don't usually have a choice as to whether they need health care or not. Just like no one decides that they want to have their house broken into. Yet, we somehow can understand that having private police forces is not in the best interest of society but we can't quite seem to make the same connection for health care? Actually, from what I've read, the majority of people do make that connection.

Now you are talking. Insurance has this problem called adverse selection - the insured pay for the uninsured, which raises rates, which makes more uninsured. Since we don't want people to die in the streets, we have to make some modifications. We've successfully done so in most states with auto insurance - it's why it is mandatory. Plans that make health insurance mandatory are the way to go - having the gov't take the whole the over are not.
 
2007-12-20 02:11:04 PM  
mrshowrules:

She is disliked because she is a strong woman.


And, you know, because what she's being strong in support of are a set of policies that a sizeable segment of the population feel are in direct opposition to everything the country stands for and everything they'd like it to become. There's that, too.

And the fact that she has a history of extremely dirty politics and of hunting for personal power to an even greater extent than most politicians. While there's something to be said for transparent motives, I think if the open door is a short step into a blood-filled shark tank most people will try door #2.
 
2007-12-20 02:11:49 PM  
tweekster: "But but but he doesnt have enough experience."

Neither does Hillary. First Lady isn't a political post.
 
2007-12-20 02:12:01 PM  
How anyone can vote for this lying, conniving, power hungry, murderous biatch is beyond me.
 
2007-12-20 02:12:01 PM  
sseye: tweekster: sseye: TechieZero: Her Health Care Plan will make people experience something entirely new as well. The word "NO". "No we will not treat you, it makes sense not to and you can't get treatment anywhere else in the USA". Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.How is this different from an HMO?

Atleast HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency to save money, I have yet to see a government agency operate with that in mind.

Medicaid spends 1% of its budget on paperwork. Private health insurance spends 20%. And a good part of that is focused on denying you coverage. Stick that up your ass and light the fuse.

Let's see, you can argue with a giant uncaring beaurocracy, or you can argue with a giant uncaring beaurocracy who is trying to make money by farking you over, and you choose the latter. What a genius.

HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency - is it too late for a new entry in the Stupidest Quotes of 2007?


Medicaid fraud. It is kind of a big deal, to the tune of 45 billion in NY alone. Insurance fraud exists of course too, but to a much lower extent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/18/nyregion/18medicaid.html

I flat out dont believe their operational costs are that low.
 
2007-12-20 02:12:15 PM  
Headso: tweekster: Atleast HMOs attempt to operate with efficiency to save money

yes, they make a profit denying paying customers care they need.


When you talk about it like that, it seems easy. Let's get down to the details, though.

What about something like obesity surgery? A doctor could definitely say that is necessary. If you make it free, you've effectively subsidized bad behavior.

What about STD testing? That could be a public health thing too. If you subsidize that, you are making it easy to not be careful.

I understand the sentiment, but single payer creates all kinds of perverse incentives like this.
 
2007-12-20 02:12:49 PM  
Newsflash: There is not a single man or woman running for president on either party ticket that you would enjoy sharing an adult beverage with and just shooting the shiat about life.

You should be very frightened.

Conversely, think about each candidate and how much you would enjoy sucker-punching them. I'd donate $10K to charity for a roundhouse at John Edwards alone.
 
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