Well, Agnostica was friday.

Gotta take down the decorations sometime.

Prospero424: nodubs: Weak. 1/10

Seriously. Then again, all trolls are pretty pathetic. It takes an emotionally desperate person to spend that much effort trying to tick off people they'll never even meet.

This, from someone who took the time to post a picture from a television show that has been proven immoral? How much effort did that take? Are you stupid? You have basically proven my point. Most likely, again

angrygrizzly: I have a solution. Wipe out both displays, and tell everyone to stop being pricks.

Yeah, that would be the reasonable thing to do, but according to TFA:

And as one resident related, if the town were to put a stop to all the displays, then the atheists win, Anderson said.

Maybach: Hey, I still haven't received that case of morality litmus paper I ordered from Pat Robertson. Could you ask him about it next time you're shining his shoes? I have a few more things that I want to prove immoral.

eqtworld: Um, I don't celebrate the winter solstice or whatever the hell they are talking about.

atheism means not having belief or faith, not "worships the solstice"

..asshats.

Its not a matter of worshiping the solstice. Its a matter of celebrating the end to days getting shorter, and the beginning of days getting longer. You know, the winter solstice...

Maybach: This, from someone who took the time to post a picture from a television show that has been proven immoral? How much effort did that take? Are you stupid? You have basically proven my point. Most likely, again

Keep it up, jackass. The more I can get you to spout off, the likelier you are to get banned.

Weaver95: fonik: So, if religious fundamentalism is a return to 18th century religious ideals, does atheist fundamentalism mean a return to 18th century science?

More like the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror.

Uh, hilarious...?




God has a special place in teh hell for fundie athies. Oh, you shall know pain! You will roast in the bowels of the demon Jubilex!

noYOUare: Atheists/Solstice? Does not compute.

Actually it does compute. The solstice is a physical event. It's the shortest day of the year and marks the beginning of Winter. Sure, there are all sorts of traditions attached to the Solstice from almost every non-equatorial civilization, but its base is still an Astronomical event.

/Sun worship makes sense.
//it is the most powerful thing nearby.
///it affects us absolutely every day.

Oh snap it's Bevets!

Everybody Panic!!!

Atillathepun I applaud you! Also it has Vit. D and according to something I just read may even help prevent cancer! Funny though how we've been worshiping all these years and they are finally telling you it's good for you after "screaming" it causes cancer. I'm confused now.

Pagan symbolism for the win!

Here's yer sign:



from here.

They don't have the blocking tree pictured.

Regardless of religious beliefs, I think reaching the solstice is worthy of celebration. Days will start getting longer again. I want my sunlight back!

Seriously, a solstice celebration can be just as secular as a New Year celebration.

From the Connecticut Valley Atheists site:

"Al Qaeda is not an evil organization which happens to be religious (such as the Nazis were), but rather an organization whose evil is directly caused by its religious beliefs. If its members were Atheists instead the WTC would still be intact."

Of course. Because there are extremists in every group EXCEPT the atheists. They're cuddly.

angrygrizzly: From the Connecticut Valley Atheists site:

"Al Qaeda is not an evil organization which happens to be religious (such as the Nazis were), but rather an organization whose evil is directly caused by its religious beliefs. If its members were Atheists instead the WTC would still be intact."

Of course. Because there are extremists in every group EXCEPT the atheists. They're cuddly.

That's not it's point. It's point was that the radical Muslims believe that if they kill enough non-believers, they'll get 72 virgins in the afterlife. Or whatever, I don't know the *whole* thing, but if they didn't get some reward, they'd be a hell of a lot less eager to blow themselves up to take out infidels.

Weaver95: Or teachers get paid so little, or that rap stars and their violent thuggery are paid so much....I could go on and on (and so could you, I suspect). But that's the culture we live in these days. it's not logical, but there you go.

Well, not really. It does make sense. It has to do with economies of scale. A teacher, for example, typically has about 30 students at a time. The benefit they give to their customers (the students) is high, but there aren't that many customers. A NBA player, on the other hand, gives a low amount of value, accept that value is received by millions of customers. Let's say, for the sake of srgument, that 3,000,000 watch a basketball game, which wouldn't be out of line for a network TV game broadcast nationally. For the teacher to justify being paid on a similar level to the basketball player, the teacher would need to provide 100,000 times the benefit to his customers than the basketball player does to his. And while I think education is important, I've certainly never had a teacher who I'd be willing to pay 100,000 times more than I would pay to see a basketball game.

eqtworld: Um, I don't celebrate the winter solstice or whatever the hell they are talking about.

atheism means not having belief or faith, not "worships the solstice"

..asshats.

Ummm...Christians don't worship Christmas, they celebrate Christmas.

And Muslims don't worship Ramadan, they observe Ramadan.

Some Atheists observe/celebrate the Winter Solstice and that makes them asshats?

If you're calling them asshats, do it for a good reason. A reason like "The Christians would be asshats if they put up an Anti-Islam display as their Chistmas Celebration monument, wouldn't they? So, aren't the Atheists asshats for putting up an anti-religion display for their Solstice Celebration monument?"

kronicfeld: Yes, just like not believing in astrologycollecting stamps is a stance on the stars controlling our destinieshobby.

FTFY

/Atheism is not a religion.
//"God doesn't exist" is perfectly acceptable shorthand for "Given the need to suspend reason in order to accept that God exists given the evidence I have been exposed to the for His existence, I choose to live my life in all particulars as if God does not exist until someone claiming his existence accepts the burden of proof and exposes me to a fact or argument I had not yet considered that does not require me to suspend my reason in order to believe that God does exist."

Um, why would Atheists celebrate the winter solstice?

pmccall 2007-12-17 12:32:25 AM

Ummm...Christians don't worship Christmas, they celebrate Christmas.

Considering how much crap is bought at Christmas, I would say at least some Christians worship it.

I don't agree with blocking the sign with another tree, but I also don't agree with the sign's sentiments. A menorah and a creche are not insulting to other people. A sign of the twin towers blaming religion for their destruction is insulting. That would be like a Christian group putting up a sign saying you would go to Hell if you didn't believe in Christ.

There was another town that had atheists create a tree of knowledge. I have no problem with that.

Some Loser: You will roast in the bowels of the demon Jubilex!



Is baffled.

Also, isn't it a bit weird that the City Council fought the atheist sign by putting up an even larger symbol of a secular/paganist religion? I don't think Christianity really had pine trees as a symbol unless they started wearing them for some reason....

Guntram Shatterhand:

Also, isn't it a bit weird that the City Council fought the atheist sign by putting up an even larger symbol of a secular/paganist religion? I don't think Christianity really had pine trees as a symbol unless they started wearing them for some reason....

Did you somehow write this post from the year 300 BC? Because here in 2007, the Christmas tree is a symbol of Christmas no matter what it was in the past.

Tourney3p0:

Did you somehow write this post from the year 300 BC? Because here in 2007, the Christmas tree is a symbol of Christmas no matter what it was in the past.

Since the Christmas tree is still a secular symbol, I'm failing to see your point.

/an orgy of consumerism isn't really something I'd attach my religion to so eagerly
//but I've never liked consumption for the sake of consumption, so that might just be me

kronicfeld: Pardon my ignorance; what is a reverse vampire? Do they run up to you in the daytime, and squirt blood into you?

Ok you made me laugh.

Officer, there's a nutter in the park.
Oh, don't worry about him, mate. That's just a low powered vampire. They're no bother this time of year.

eqtworld:
Um, I don't celebrate the winter solstice or whatever the hell they are talking about.

atheism means not having belief or faith, not "worships the solstice"

..asshats.

First of all, atheism does not mean you can't have faith or beliefs, or that you can't be spiritual, superstitious or even religious. It just means you don't think there are any gods. Bhuddists are atheist too.

Secondly, and more importantly in this context, celebration does not equal worship.
I hate the cold and the dark, so I find the point where the days finally start getting longer again as much a cause for celebration and drinkening as, say, somebody's birthday or anniversary.
It has nothing to do with faith, belief, worship or the existence of gods.

wydok: Um, why would Atheists celebrate the winter solstice?

Unless I totally miss your point, for the same reason Christians might celebrate Labor Day, perhaps.

The atheists in TFA are farking annoying; I hate atheists that form a group together that encourages theists to claim that atheism is a religion...which it isn't by definition honestly.

BUT I DIGRESS

10 bucks 90% of these "atheists" are scorned theists.

/God Damn it Skeeter you sound like a freakin retard
//obscure SP reference goodness

Why would atheists celebrate the winter solstice?

Well, it's better to get all happy about an observable, predictable event in the natural world.

Also, I enjoy the gluttony, avarice, and sloth that fill the holiday season.

wow... lots of non-atheist sentiment today..

/must be a full moon or something...

i love the irony of Xians trying to hide some atheist display with a PAGAN SYMBOL.

Etchy333: You're right America would never target civilians, like the ones in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

You are incredibly stupid or very dishonest. Please, don't breed.

Gwendolyn: apeiron242: i love the irony of Xians trying to hide some atheist display with a PAGAN SYMBOL.

Etchy333: You're right America would never target civilians, like the ones in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

You are incredibly stupid or very dishonest. Please, don't breed.

Wait, are you saying no one in Hiroshima or Nagasaki was a civilian. I mean I agree dropping a nuke on Japan saved American lives and all, but we did decimate cities full of civilians.


Incidentally, at that time, Nagasaki was home to the largest Christian population in Japan.
/Was.

Gwendolyn
but we did decimate cities full of civilians.

We did a lot more than "decimate" them.

For pete's sake people the word has a meaning, don't use it if you don't know the meaning.

eqtworld: How can you be atheist and pastafarian?

Parody religions don't count. Hail Eris!

The1andonlyZack: scorned theists.

What in Shabranigdo's name is a "scorned theist"?

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Surely I'm not the only expert NetHack player here....

the little dog approves.