czarangelus: LibertyFirst: "Moral Values" people like Christians bring it on themselves....preaching all their bullshiat and trying to take over the world with their Nightmare religion...... "what would Jesus do" and all their ten commandments bullshiat...

He's right though, isn't he? He got poison, hypocrisy, and lies from that church his whole life, and when he saw through it he snapped. It's too bad he turned to violence before he could have further broadened his horizons.

LibertyFirst: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law....

I think he doesn't understand Crowley...

LibertyFirst: I will do MY Will and I will kill those who try to thwart my will...

Pretty classic attitude taught in the megachurch-type doctrines. They see Christ as the vengefulness of God, come to smite all the non-Christians with hellfire and suffering. I'd say this killer learned to hate from the best.

Which is exactly why they shouldn't be called "Christians" in the first place. They're nothing more than "Club Jesus" and all about feeling superior to everyone else.

That ain't what Christ taught, and they're naught but a conglomerate of warped individuals who have no self-esteem and need to get it by pointing at how much worse everyone else in the world is.

The problem is that the term "Christian" is so damned diluted today that you can't assume what a person believes just because they call themselves a Christian.

theoriginalslash: I love how every time someone shoots up a church/religious entity, it turns into a big game of hot potato, with the different interested groups disavowing the person and blaming his (it's usually a him) dysfunction on religion, atheism, liberals, conservatives, TV, video games, drugs, not enough drugs, lack of sex, etc.

It doesn't make any goddam sense, stop trying to distill meaning from it. There isn't any. He was farking crazy. That's all we need to know.

As for the security guard who shot him, first of all: NICE SHOT. I don't believe god had anything to do with it, but if her belief in that helped her take that asshole out before he could kill anyone else, it's fine by me.

Can't we all just get along....

He died from the wound inflicted upon himself but yeah she did get a round off in him but it had nothing to do with God

theoriginalslash: love how every time someone shoots up a church/religious entity, it turns into a big game of hot potato, with the different interested groups disavowing the person and blaming his (it's usually a him) dysfunction on religion, atheism, liberals, conservatives, TV, video games, drugs, not enough drugs, lack of sex, etc.

I blame the Swedes.

drjekel_mrhyde:
He died from the wound inflicted upon himself but yeah she did get a round off in him but it had nothing to do with God

Prove it.

LibertyFirst: So basically the Christians got what they deserved, and if someone came and killed them all it would be justice...

If you preach hate, don't be surprised if hate comes around and bites you on the ass. I didn't say they deserved it though.

This kid wasn't born a monster, he was made one by a combination of vile fake Christianity and overbearing parents. I think it's too bad he didn't have a chance to grow up, move out, go to college, and learn that the world is much wider and more beautiful than the prejudice he'd been taught.

Aarontology: Anyone else find it somewhat funny that he didn't have a problem killing people, but couldn't bring himself to swear?

It's sad, really. It's a microcosm of the entire incident.

LibertyFirst: Sounds like he'd be welcome here on Fark...

And praised for his unique insight and convictions.

RandomFeature: drjekel_mrhyde:
He died from the wound inflicted upon himself but yeah she did get a round off in him but it had nothing to do with God

Prove it.

Parsimony.

LibertyFirst: He did target Christians specifically.

Here is a link (new window) to his own words before the shooting:

Here is an excerpt:

I'm full of hate and I love it! I hate people and they better @#%$ fear me if they know what's good for them. Yes I hate, I'm headed to Hell and I guess I want others to know it. "Moral Values" people like Christians bring it on themselves....preaching all their bullshiat and trying to take over the world with their Nightmare religion...... "what would Jesus do" and all their ten commandments bullshiat...me.....I will do MY Will and I will kill those who try to thwart my will...Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law....

Too bad he didn't remember the first part of the Wiccan Rede from which that quote is based: "An ye harm none, do what thou wilt."

RandomFeature: Which is exactly why they shouldn't be called "Christians" in the first place. They're nothing more than "Club Jesus" and all about feeling superior to everyone else.

Yeah, it's more about the new car in the lot and a fashion show. fark'em all!

"Buyers and merchants will not see the Kingdom of Heaven." -Gospel of Thomas

Bschott007: So...what is this "online forum for recovering pentecostals"? This is just begging for a look.

Check LibertyFirst's link. I was poking around in there last night, the YWAM horror story thread's pretty interesting. Evidently the 'popular kids' get away with murder in Pentecostal youth groups, and get off on enforcing their little pecking orders.

Just like any other facet of teenage life in America since time immemorial, I guess.

/not excusing the shooter, here. It's simply an interesting topic.

RandomFeature:

Prove it.

Read a farking newspaper, cheese-dick.

COMALite J: Too bad he didn't remember the first part of the Wiccan Rede from which that quote is based: "An ye harm none, do what thou wilt."

That's Crowley's Thelema, not Wicca.

RandomFeature: Prove it.

We've been waiting a thousand years for you to prove it first.

Aarontology read my mind!
/sick minds are sick minds whether Christian, atheist, or whatever
//feel sorry for his parents

tonesskin: RandomFeature: drjekel_mrhyde:
He died from the wound inflicted upon himself but yeah she did get a round off in him but it had nothing to do with God

Prove it.

Parsimony.

Rosemary and Thyme.

Lumber Jack Off: meh, fark Christians. they should all be dragged out into the street shot.

So should poor people. And nerds.

Anybody else tired of organized religion? It certainly brings out the best in all people.

LibertyFirst:
To the isolated, young males, of society with a nihilistic world view the Columbine killers were heroes. THAT is the connection.

The above link was messed up. I'll try again (new window).

So? Every time there's a hate crime the news doesn't call it the "Holocaust of [insert pronoun]" or "bringing hitler to [insert location]" That was one specific event and look at all of these differences:
1- no association with a particular 'gang' (trench coat mafia)
2- it's not at a school
3- there was only one shooter
4- the shooter is an adult
5- multiple locations
6- no bombs used to cause chaos

IT'S NOT FARKING COLUMBINE.

Ah yes! Journalism like this will assure us that never more will an obscure, egomaniacal douchebag try this sort of thing for the sole purpose of (in)fame(y).

rjShadow: RandomFeature: Prove it.

We've been waiting a thousand years for you to prove it first.

You must be *really* tired. And old.

mike_d85: IT'S NOT FARKING COLUMBINE.

But the guy did idolize the Columbine killers. I think that's what he was getting at.

Oh FFS..."Raining Columbine down on the Christian World"?
The person who wrote that deserves a cockpunch for even adding that to the article.


czarangelus:and performing dark rock songs by Marilyn Manson and Linkin Park at a 2002 Christmas celebration.

Dark Rock? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA... I'd be more impressed if he performed songs by Gorgoroth or Immortal at the Christmas celebration.

/Christian
//Listens To Black Metal
\m/\m/ Metal Slashies

Columbine Rain
Some stay dry and others feel the pain
Columbine Rain
A baby born will die before the sin

Columbine Rain
The school books say it can't be here again
Columbine Rain
The prisons make you wonder where it went

Nestea Plunge: WTF...

Kid was home schooled by Jesus freaks. That turned out well.

I was homeschooled by Jesus freaks, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/Seriously
//Never shot anybody, or wanted to
///still hate the church

NightOwl2255: All these whacked out shooters target some group. Maybe it's the employees at his former job. The "jocks". The girls that turned him down.

I wonder what his Fark handle was?

NightOwl2255: You know who else hated a group of people?

Al Sharpton?

RandomFeature: drjekel_mrhyde:
He died from the wound inflicted upon himself but yeah she did get a round off in him but it had nothing to do with God

Prove it.

Prove what that he killed himself or there is no God

Coroner report
Link (new window)
No God
Link (new window)

RandomFeature: The problem is that the term "Christian" is so damned diluted today that you can't assume what a person believes just because they call themselves a Christian.

Many people think that just calling themselves 'Christians' is enough to have a happy life, while they don't do the actions the center icon of the religion taught. Being a Christian to the true name is to follow what Jesus taught (do good, be helpful, love one another). But this ideal is not only concerning Christians. Everyone should follow these basic ideas, regardless of belief/non-belief system. This should be the norm for the world. But you have people who say they follow Jesus' teachings (claiming that they are Christians) and then do the 100% exact opposite. They are just using the name but don't want to follow what that name means.

I know that if I was in God's place, I'd rather have people being good to each other rather than care what they label themselves as.

/The label is not important.
//What is important is following the good teachings of that label.

I find it incredibly ironic all of the hate being directed at Christians because they preach hate.

Allen. The end.: I went to a church like this,and was one of the 'outcast' kids. My friends and I planned this sort of thing a million times, but realized that the stupid Jeebus freaks weren't worth it.

Pretty much this. Evangelical/fundie type churches are the blessed home of Pharisees, Archons, and pit vipers. People with any kind of spiritual sensitivity are rejected and sickened, while control freaks and the totally ignorant gain control of the teaching and administrating.

Donald_McRonald:
But the guy did idolize the Columbine killers. I think that's what he was getting at.

So? That doesn't mean the event should be compared to Columbine. I mean for fark's sake just let it GO. When there is a school shooting with 2 shooters: fine, that's like columbine. This was more like a disgruntled ex-employee.

/guns don't kill people, postal workers do.

Jebus Approves (new window)

It's interesting to see there are so many Atheists here that criticize Christianity for a history of violence... and now see the best way to solve this is kill all the Christians.

I guess atheists can't escape bigotry and hypocrisy either.

drhansenej: Anybody else tired of organized religion? It certainly brings out the best in all people.

Are you kidding? If it weren't for religious threads the InterNerd set might actually have to vacate their parent's basements in search of jobs/lives.

GoldSpider: I find it incredibly ironic all of the hate being directed at Christians because they preach hate.

I find it incredibly ironic all of the hate being directed at people who direct hate at Christians because they preach hate.

drjekel_mrhyde:
No God

Now prove it to a deist.

czarangelus: It's sad, really. It's a microcosm of the entire incident.

Indeed. The morality of some of these churches is so skewed in favor of denouncing immoral thought or speech that the message preached by Christ kind of gets lost in the shuffle.

NightOwl2255: Maybe her was posting on a site that limits speech by not allowing some words or having a filter that changes those words into something less offensive.

It's possible, but I doubt it.

squealie: feel sorry for his parents

I feel sorry for them as well, but only in that their name has been tarnished and they lost a son. It would seem that some of the issues he had ultimately stemmed from the upbringing his parents subjected him to.

NightOwl2255:
I find irony ironic.

Like rain on your wedding day?

Dispector: It's interesting to see there are so many Atheists here that criticize Christianity for a history of violence... and now see the best way to solve this is kill all the Christians.

I guess atheists can't escape bigotry and hypocrisy either.

Who said that? Oh, you're just lying. Jesus hates liars, farkface, enjoy Hell.

RandomFeature: rjShadow: RandomFeature: Prove it.

We've been waiting a thousand years for you to prove it first.

You must be *really* tired. And old.

Not quite. We figured out there was no deity involved since, you know, there isn't one. It's sort of like how you don't get old and tired waiting for a hyped up game to come out, but you get excited seeing the screenshots.

/Coincidentally, I'm eventually disappointed in the end, too!