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(AP)   Colorado Church Murders Headline: "FBI May Have Been Warned About Rampage". Article: 30 minutes ahead of time. And it was anonymous   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 201
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2007-12-12 11:46:54 AM  
Would have known...

www.pikesoft.com
 
2007-12-12 11:47:20 AM  
Sticky Hands: evil is only a problem if you are on the receiving end of it.

No, I mean the Problem of Evil. It's a philosophical problem that has a couple of different solutions, depending on your religion or school of thought.
 
2007-12-12 11:47:26 AM  
mccallcl: Inflatable Rhetoric: Oooh, I posted in bold, then italics. I'll be careful not to do both.

Just do it like everyone else so we can read what you have to say.

Inflatable Rhetoric: Here's your prize - The only difference between religion and superstition is $$$.

Come on, be an adult about this. At least Google the problem of evil.


OK. For now.
 
2007-12-12 11:47:41 AM  
bemis23: If you care to read the rest of the article, the Inquisition was designed to root out false converts and eliminate Jews and Muslims. Next time, get your history right - rather than reading it for what you want it to say.

In other words, you FAIL.


You're farking retarded, wow.
 
2007-12-12 11:47:43 AM  
jeffwashingdc: SpoonFed's BuddyI am a strong supporter of the First Amendment, but I think when it's applied in cases like this, it kind of bites us in the ass. Angst driven attacks by tools like this kid would be less likely if none of their notes, videos, or other messages were allowed to be published. Can't say I like the idea of censorship much though.

Yes of course, I'm not advocating strict censorship necessarily either. Every person has a right to stoke the flames, even if they're dangerous, even if just for ratings.

I'm just saying it's a cultural shame for Americans to be so easily captivated by the most simple-minded of destructive souls out there. If this occured in other countries, the population's response to such tragedies would probably be "that idiot. his parents didn't beat the crap out of him enough"


I suppose it goes in line w/ the Jack Johnson song where he says "we only recieve what we demand, if hell's what we want the hell's what we'll have." I'm not sure what kind of a public reaction would discourage these kind of atrocities from taking place. I wouldn't be surprised to see more like it start up in other countries either though.
 
2007-12-12 11:49:00 AM  
NightOwl2255: mccallcl: Inflatable Rhetoric: Oooh, I posted in bold, then italics. I'll be careful not to do both.

Just do it like everyone else so we can read what you have to say.

Inflatable Rhetoric: Here's your prize - The only difference between religion and superstition is $$$.

Come on, be an adult about this. At least Google the problem of evil.



I ain't got that kind of time.


Maybe if we each take a million ???
 
2007-12-12 11:49:44 AM  
bemis23:

Apparently during your Christian education, you missed to concept of free will. Humans have the ability to turn away from God if they so choose.


Oh gee, well that makes everything better doesn't it? When faced with two infinitely self-contradictory ideas, simply claim both, ignore the fallacy, then claim you've proven something. The concept of free will is completely incompatible with the ideas of both omnipotence and omniscience. Epicurus proved that quite a while ago.

Even most churches have a better explanation than that now. They'll either play the "God works in mysterious ways" card, or more commonly claim that God, by nature of being God, is above logic, morality, and reality.
 
2007-12-12 11:49:57 AM  
mccallcl: Sticky Hands: evil is only a problem if you are on the receiving end of it.

No, I mean the Problem of Evil. It's a philosophical problem that has a couple of different solutions, depending on your religion or school of thought.


I see your Problem of Evil and I raise you Pascal's Wager.
 
2007-12-12 11:50:29 AM  
NightOwl2255: I ain't got that kind of time.

The first result is the wiki article on the subject. It was probably more time-consuming to crop that out of your screenshot than to simply click on it and read a little bit.

Not that you're going to solve the Problem by reading a wiki article, but it's not exactly the "gotcha!" that many people in this thread seem to think it is.
 
2007-12-12 11:54:06 AM  
holy shiate, 30 minutes! thats almost enough time to eat a sandwich and read an article in the newspaper! how could they possibly have failed to confirm whether this guy was even posting from somewhere even remotely near the church (nevermind that they dont have access to the church website's records), find out who he was (nevermind not having access to those records), go to his house and arrest him for inciting a panic....well, you get the picture...
 
2007-12-12 11:55:26 AM  
sabyJeBus: holy shiate, 30 minutes! thats almost enough time to eat a sandwich and read an article in the newspaper! how could they possibly have failed to confirm whether this guy was even posting from somewhere even remotely near the church (nevermind that they dont have access to the church website's records), find out who he was (nevermind not having access to those records), go to his house and arrest him for inciting a panic....well, you get the picture...

You're telling me what they can do in TV and movies is fake? Oh shiat, we're farked.
 
2007-12-12 11:55:36 AM  
and the media continues it's 24/7 glorification of killers ensuring many copycats...

make sure you use his name and tell us something knew about the poor soul
 
2007-12-12 11:57:17 AM  
sabyJeBus: holy shiate, 30 minutes! thats almost enough time to eat a sandwich and read an article in the newspaper! how could they possibly have failed to confirm whether this guy was even posting from somewhere even remotely near the church (nevermind that they dont have access to the church website's records), find out who he was (nevermind not having access to those records), go to his house and arrest him for inciting a panic....well, you get the picture...

your kidding right? they solve stuff like this in less then 30 minutes on tv all the time, admittedly sometimes times it takes them an hour, but if you skip the commercials you're down to 45 minutes.
 
2007-12-12 11:57:18 AM  
mccallcl: NightOwl2255: I ain't got that kind of time.

The first result is the wiki article on the subject. It was probably more time-consuming to crop that out of your screenshot than to simply click on it and read a little bit.

Not that you're going to solve the Problem by reading a wiki article, but it's not exactly the "gotcha!" that many people in this thread seem to think it is.


Why would I educate myself when I could just be snarky?

/Well versed in Problem Of Evil.
 
2007-12-12 11:58:42 AM  
Lesbian-Jesus: and the media continues it's 24/7 glorification of killers ensuring many copycats...

make sure you use his name and tell us something knew about the poor soul


Mass murderers are typically news worthy. I mean, I'd like to know what happened in Jamestown.
 
2007-12-12 12:01:34 PM  
Oh shiat! It's a red ball, John. Only 1/2 hour to go!

geekswithblogs.net
 
2007-12-12 12:01:34 PM  
Sammy Jenkins: Christians killing Christians. Very sad. :-(

Yeah, think Clintons (who bust out the Bibles around election time) and the Branch Davidians.

/nothing to see here, move along please
 
2007-12-12 12:03:27 PM  
shotglasss: Sammy Jenkins: Christians killing Christians. Very sad. :-(

Yeah, think Clintons (who bust out the Bibles around election time) and the Branch Davidians.

/nothing to see here, move along please


Yea, the "family values" party would never do that.
 
2007-12-12 12:04:27 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric: shotglasss: Sammy Jenkins: Christians killing Christians. Very sad. :-(

Yeah, think Clintons (who bust out the Bibles around election time) and the Branch Davidians.

/nothing to see here, move along please

Yea, the "family values" party would never do that.


How much longer until 'honor and integrity' will be restored to the White House?
 
2007-12-12 12:06:11 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric: shotglasss: Sammy Jenkins: Christians killing Christians. Very sad. :-(

Yeah, think Clintons (who bust out the Bibles around election time) and the Branch Davidians.

/nothing to see here, move along please

Yea, the "family values" party would never do that.


Last I heard, Bush hadn't sent the jackboots in to a church resulting in the deaths of dozens of American children.
 
2007-12-12 12:07:55 PM  
jeffwashingdc: trappedspirit Do you really think that if this material was not published these sad excuses for human beings would not hurt anyone?

This era wasn't rife with mass shootings until Columbine gave every loser's thoughts comprehensive publicity and "fame."

As far as I'm concerned, a loser is more easily fascinated with sadistic attention than either you or me.

I'm simply saying that I wouldn't underestimate their stupidity.


That I certainly can not. I don't know how the mental equation works, and I'm not sure anyone can claim certainty to it, but it's obviously not a simple desire for attention. That is usually something a person wants to experience, not have happen after they are dead.
And as to the timeline of things, I would have to say this era wasn't rife with mass shootings until they started prescribing psychotropic drugs to school kids. Also a relatively recent phenomenon and reportedly the Columbine kids were riding the pfizer train. As well as the kid that shot up that prayer circle in Kentucky. And I think some other of these bad snowflakes have this in common. And people will spend the time wondering, were they going to do something horrible anyway and the prescriptions maybe helped it be not as bad as it was going to be.
 
2007-12-12 12:08:46 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric: The only difference between religion and superstition is $$$.

www.funshop.com

Millions of rabbits are insulted that you think their feet are worthless.
 
2007-12-12 12:09:49 PM  
NightOwl2255: bemis23: klisejo: fireclownThis wasn't Gods will. It was a murderous jerks will.

Nope. If you buy into Christianity, then it was God's will.

Apparently during your Christian education, you missed to concept of free will. Humans have the ability to turn away from God if they so choose.

I still refuse to reveal my personal beliefs, but I have studied multiple theologies, and the theological fallacies that run rampant here amaze me, for what is normally and a fairly educated crowd.

Like many others in the thread, you also FAIL.

bemis23 has spoken.


I'd say that the notion that any god whatsoever exists in any form might be the "theological fallacy" to end all theological fallacies.

And, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Dressing up a belief in hogwash in the robes of academia and calling it theology instead of superstition and mythology doesn't make it any more valid.
 
2007-12-12 12:14:23 PM  
Everything happens for a reason, it's all part of gods plan, they're with Jesus now...

/and other such nonsense.
 
2007-12-12 12:14:51 PM  
Oh gee, well that makes everything better doesn't it? When faced with two infinitely self-contradictory ideas, simply claim both, ignore the fallacy, then claim you've proven something. The concept of free will is completely incompatible with the ideas of both omnipotence and omniscience. Epicurus proved that quite a while ago.

Really? Epicurus definitively proved that one can't be omnipotent, omniscient, and free will happy all at the same time? Got any links since I ponder that all the time?

My pondering usually results in thinking that, though God is all-powerful and all-knowing, he still preferred to give humans free will rather than force them to obey him. Doesn't mean he didn't know how that would turn out but does mean that he restrains himself by allowing people to suffer the consequences of their choices, both good and bad. Works for me but I'm still interested in this Epicurus deal.
 
2007-12-12 12:16:46 PM  
gshepnyc

/I like what he said
 
2007-12-12 12:18:55 PM  
Does the idea that "it's all part of god's plan" mean that people that go to hell go there because that's what god wanted for them?
 
2007-12-12 12:31:44 PM  
Mr. Cool ICE: Does the idea that "it's all part of god's plan" mean that people that go to hell go there because that's what god wanted for them?

In short, yes. God uses the tactics of the worst kind of dictator: Worship me or be tortured. Why do Christians love God so much when he's just a more extreme version of Saddam Hussein?
 
2007-12-12 12:35:31 PM  
gshepnyc: Dressing up a belief in hogwash in the robes of academia and calling it theology instead of superstition and mythology doesn't make it any more valid.

Actually, mythology is not invalid. It's the legitimate study of historical myth. Theology and mythology both apply to the study of modern faith and its origins.
 
2007-12-12 12:40:19 PM  
trappedspirit: deadsanta: My first reaction to the article was: The volunteer security guards at this church carry guns?!? WTF kind of church is this, anyway?

didn't the Clintonista's whack this guy?
 
2007-12-12 12:40:50 PM  
How has this not been praised yet?

ToxicMunkee: Thirty minutes? Heck, that's plenty of time to drive around, interview half a dozen people, have a heart-to-heart with your partner about relationship issues, arrest someone peripherally involved with the case, crack him with your unorthodox questioning techniques, and break the case in slow motion to the tune of some trendy song.

These FBI agents must be lame.


*golf clap*
Well done, sir.
 
2007-12-12 12:42:26 PM  
VushtrriBoy: redufo: dinnerwear.

Dinner WARE, goddammitt! Dinner WARE!!! No, I'm not your typical grammar/spelling nazi, it's just this ONE FREAKIN' WORD that gets me. I'm the dinnerware nazi, get it the fark right!!!

Arrrrggghhh!!!


i think redufo rotskied.
 
2007-12-12 12:43:18 PM  
andrew131:

Mass murderers are typically news worthy.

I'd tweak that to mass murder is typically news worthy. The murderers are typically ass-wipes seeking blood and attention.
 
2007-12-12 12:47:34 PM  
Tyee: The FBI may have suspected something would happen yet left the Church to fend for themselves. Seems to me that the government can't or won't protect the people and that makes the right people have to carry fire arms even more important. This is the best argument for conceal carry there is.


It wouldn't take long for the news media to be overwhelmed with stories about the FBI storming into churches, malls, schools, etc, on false alarms if they were to respond every time they received an anonymous tip that an attack were eminent somewhere. Hindsight is 20/20, etc. etc. after all.

Putting guns in the hands of more civilians will also help fill the pages of Fark with all the stories of accidental shootings at churches, malls, schools, etc.

Or even worse, we'll become complacent to both occurrences, and we'll have the dual cliches of the 'boy that cried wolf' and too many 'Dirty Harry's' on the loose.
 
2007-12-12 12:59:27 PM  
redufo: FBI was Murray's landlord, and Murray learned how to shoot on military bases.The night before Larry Silverstein took out double life insurance policies on all the victims and places put options against Murray favorite football team. Its all gonna come out. Alex Jones is working on it.Later tonight Bush will drink blood from the skull of the victims cause the dude doing the autopsy is a Skull and Bones member and removes all the skulls and sends them to Cheney as dinnerwear.

You might just be the only one talking any sense in this thread.
 
2007-12-12 01:00:10 PM  
I called it. I told you so. Not a muslim. Not an atheist.
 
2007-12-12 01:22:54 PM  
Mr. Cool ICE: Putting guns in the hands of more civilians will also help fill the pages of Fark with all the stories of accidental shootings at churches, malls, schools, etc.

Almost no states today, only two, will not allow a civilian to carry a gun after they have had proper instruction, yet the pages of Fark are not filled with these stories.

Remarkable isn't it? You let law abiding people have guns and it isn't causing problems, in fact this case in Colorado shows it saves lives. Had this private citizen not severely wounded a killer he most certainly would have continued on his rampage of murder rather than finishing himself off.
 
2007-12-12 01:35:02 PM  
Maybe this dumbass was reading a fark thread about politics or religion and just couldn't take it anymore.
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2007-12-12 01:35:43 PM  
 
2007-12-12 01:49:56 PM  
lionfish: I called it. I told you so. Not a muslim. Not an atheist.

From TFA:

"Like Cho, Eric Harris, Ricky Rodriguez and others, I'm going out to make a stand for the weak and the defenseless this is for all those young people still caught in the Nightmare of Christianity for all those people who've been abused and mistreated and taken advantage of by this evil sick religion Christian America this is YOUR Columbine," the newspaper quoted the post as saying.
 
2007-12-12 01:54:08 PM  
mccallcl: lionfish: I called it. I told you so. Not a muslim. Not an atheist.

From TFA:

"Like Cho, Eric Harris, Ricky Rodriguez and others, I'm going out to make a stand for the weak and the defenseless this is for all those young people still caught in the Nightmare of Christianity for all those people who've been abused and mistreated and taken advantage of by this evil sick religion Christian America this is YOUR Columbine," the newspaper quoted the post as saying.


Howsabout this:
me, I still believe in a loving God....but not the christian god who is full of hate....and never did anything at all all these years while I've cried out for answers for spiritual truth.......your christian God never did one thing about any of the abuse me and my christian friends went through..........why the f*** should I care about any morals?

Not a Muslim. Not an atheist. Not a Christian either. Just a wacko. Can't we all just be happy that he was like none of us?
 
2007-12-12 02:10:17 PM  
So has anybody posted this killer's FARK name? I'm just asking, because I see so many people here that hate Christians like he did. I figure he was probably one of them.
 
2007-12-12 02:13:50 PM  
Donald_McRonald: Can't we all just be happy that he was like none of us?

Doesn't it really matter more that this was an attack on Christians? The guy is dead, who cares what religion he was?
 
2007-12-12 02:40:09 PM  
Uh, this is pretty damn sad Link Apparently he liked watching videos of the Columbine dickwads. (new window)
 
2007-12-12 02:42:17 PM  
Did somebody say Rampage?

www.osirisshoes.com
 
2007-12-12 04:08:36 PM  
nashBridges: Inflatable Rhetoric: The only difference between religion and superstition is $$$.



Millions of rabbits are insulted that you think their feet are worthless.


Whoa, purple rabbits. Is this a flashback?
 
2007-12-12 04:21:05 PM  
Donald_McRonald:

Howsabout this:
me, I still believe in a loving God....but not the christian god who is full of hate....


A loving God that likes murderers? Good luck with that one there, Sparky.
 
2007-12-12 04:49:11 PM  
fireclown: Quantumbunny: Just because you could prevent 9/11 or a church shooting doesn't mean you should. Clearly, it is divine will that it is happening in the first place, who is the FBI to interfere with God's will?

This wasn't Gods will. It was a murderous jerks will.


The lord works in mysterious ways....

It isn't like god hasn't asked people to go on a killing spree before...
 
2007-12-12 05:06:15 PM  
Sammy Jenkins: When the church kicked him out for being a weirdo, did they refer him to get any kind of counseling?

YES - But it was a church counselor, and we see how that worked out for them.
 
2007-12-12 05:41:37 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric: Inflatable Rhetoric: shotglasss: Sammy Jenkins: Christians killing Christians. Very sad. :-(

Yeah, think Clintons (who bust out the Bibles around election time) and the Branch Davidians.

/nothing to see here, move along please

Yea, the "family values" party would never do that.

How much longer until 'honor and integrity' will be restored to the White House?


It will take the exact same amount of time that it takes Americans to figure out why they have the right to bear arms.

Its called a revolution, and that's what happens when ones government subverts the will of it's peoples, for decades and decades.

NO MORE KINGS...VIVA LA REVOLUCION
 
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