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(Fox News)   Dutch lawmaker plans on making a film that highlights the "fascist" parts of the Koran. No doubt, any grievances agianst the film will be expressed through constructive criticism and healthy debate   (foxnews.com) divider line 420
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2007-12-11 05:37:10 PM
FTFA: Threats of murder. Fears of riots and religious violence. Demands for censorship. Politicians in hiding, fearing for their lives. A government preparing for the worst.

And it's all happening because of a 10-minute movie that hasn't even been made yet.



No it isn't.

It's happening because feel-good multiculturalism is blowing up in Europe's face. Europe's enlightened liberals have embraced 'tolerance' and 'diversity', only to see their churches replaced by mosques and an angry and very violent muslim population that refuses to assimilate.

Whoops.
 
2007-12-11 06:05:22 PM
Geert Wilders may be an extremist asshat with a poorly concealed anti-Islamic vendetta, but frankly, I'm beginning to think he and his ilk have a valid point, even if it is being unfairly inflated.
 
2007-12-11 06:17:00 PM
Yeay and the 6th Seal was opened.
And written on't was the Sign
the Prophets had foretold
but None had heeded,
so Unbelievable, so Inconceivable
was the Event

And the Scroll read . . .


"Afternoon_Delight makes a decent point."
 
2007-12-11 06:34:00 PM
Afternoon_Delight 2007-12-11 05:37:10 PM

Yup.
 
2007-12-11 06:34:32 PM
that whole 'thou shalt not do this and thou shalt not do that' bit is pretty authoritarian...but the new testament is just outright socialism!
 
2007-12-11 06:43:21 PM
OK, I think Afternoon_Delight has said everything that needs to be said. I really can't add anything to what he said.
 
2007-12-11 07:07:31 PM
Afternoon_Delight:It's happening because feel-good multiculturalism is blowing up in Europe's face. Europe's enlightened liberals have embraced 'tolerance' and 'diversity', only to see their churches replaced by mosques and an angry and very violent muslim population that refuses to assimilate.


Spoken like a true borg. We just need to turn up the heat underneath the boiling pot. Arrest the radicals who break the law.

We don't need new laws. Just enforce the basics. Freedom of religion ends when it compromises other rights, such as freedom of speech and the individuals right to pursue whatever path they choose to find their own individual happiness.

The right to be offended does not exist.
 
2007-12-11 07:14:57 PM
I respect the hell out of Warren Buffett. He's a straight shooter and knows where the smart money is. He's not call the Prophet of Omaha for nothing.
 
2007-12-11 07:17:11 PM
Oops, wrong thread.
 
2007-12-11 07:19:04 PM
Afternoon_Delight: It's happening because feel-good multiculturalism is blowing up in Europe's face. Europe's enlightened liberals have embraced 'tolerance' and 'diversity', only to see their churches replaced by mosques and an angry and very violent muslim population that refuses to assimilate.

which do you miss most: the inquisition, the holocaust, or some other monocultural high point in europe's tranquil past? maybe you just yearn for the real good ol' days of the slavery-based politics and economy of rome! yeah, you probably see yourself as white togaed senator or a centurion or, at worst, a gladiator!

i see you more as a rat-turd picker trainee.
 
2007-12-11 07:28:29 PM
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke...

i15.tinypic.com
 
2007-12-11 07:51:57 PM
Yo, DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke, we get that you don't like Afternoon_Delight.


What remains to be seen is what's your program on this issue?


Or are you drunk?
 
2007-12-11 08:09:16 PM
Born2late: We just need to turn up the heat underneath the boiling pot. Arrest the radicals who break the law.

We don't need new laws. Just enforce the basics. Freedom of religion ends when it compromises other rights, such as freedom of speech and the individuals right to pursue whatever path they choose to find their own individual happiness.

The right to be offended does not exist.


QFT, OK mabee there is stuff we can add to Afternoon_Delight's post. Born2late certainly did.
 
2007-12-11 08:40:04 PM
Wow, DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke
Did you slip and fall in a bag of hate?
Or is that dementia?
 
2007-12-11 08:48:14 PM
I actually agree with what some of Afternoon_Delight has to say.

It's happening because feel-good multiculturalism is blowing up in Europe's face. Europe's enlightened liberals have embraced 'tolerance' and 'diversity', only to see their churches replaced by mosques and an angry and very violent muslim population that refuses to assimilate.


While I don't agree with the liberal bit, it is sad when certain cultures are let into other culture through acceptance and diversity demand certain things to go a certain way. I'm not picking any names however since I am uninformed but those are my feelings.

Also read the headline as Korea.
 
2007-12-11 09:02:43 PM
Bathroom Gumshoe: What remains to be seen is what's your program on this issue?

europe was a bloodbath long before former colonial subjects decided to go there and see if whitey was really all that. intolerance and wrecking the place are just signs the immigrants are assimilating well.
 
2007-12-11 09:09:09 PM
Threats of murder. Fears of riots and religious violence. Demands for censorship. Politicians in hiding, fearing for their lives. A government preparing for the worst.

Now that's a Dutch Rudder to be proud of!
 
2007-12-11 09:14:54 PM
Now I have someone new to add to my dead pool.
 
2007-12-11 09:15:35 PM
For once, Afternoon_Delight made a reasonable point, right up until he blamed the whole thing on "liberals". We get it, you're terrified of OMGTEHLIBRALSOHNOEZ and seek to blame them for everything, give it a rest.

The fact remains, however, that multiculturalism is blowing up in their faces. It has been ever since the need to be culturally sensitive took precedent over the need to have free speech, artistic expression, and an open exchange of ideas. Instead we have "no no, you can't exchange those ideas, they're culturally offensive."

What I'm essentially trying to say is
Born2late: The right to be offended does not exist.
This.

Ever wonder why the Muslim population in the U.S. isn't all fighty-kicky-punchy-shooty at the drop of a hat? Because we told them they have to respect our religiously neutral (mostly) laws when they first arrived.

Good luck with that, Europe.

/off to wash the stench of agreeing with Afternoon_Delight out of my clothes
 
2007-12-11 09:19:01 PM
Hey it worked out really well for Theo Van Gogh.
 
2007-12-11 09:19:22 PM
Afternoon_Delight: No it isn't.

It's happening because feel-good multiculturalism is blowing up in Europe's face. Europe's enlightened liberals have embraced 'tolerance' and 'diversity', only to see their churches replaced by mosques and an angry and very violent muslim population that refuses to assimilate.

Whoops.


Guess you've never been to France or Austria, two of the most insanely nationalistic places on Earth. Hell, in France they've got an institution dedicated to find ways to make things more French. And the Austrians, well just look to history.
 
2007-12-11 09:20:41 PM
I'm guessing this guy doesn't know what the Religion of Pieces [blowed to] does with anti-Islamic filmmakers?
 
2007-12-11 09:21:57 PM
This guy is gonna get a note pinned to his chest with a knife.
 
2007-12-11 09:22:36 PM
Surprised no one did this yet...
bagnewsnotes.typepad.com
 
2007-12-11 09:23:05 PM
Instead of rioting/killing innocent people, how about using a simple boycott or strongly worded letter?
 
2007-12-11 09:23:25 PM
Humean_Nature: /off to wash the stench of agreeing with Afternoon_Delight out of my clothes


i4.tinypic.com
 
2007-12-11 09:23:50 PM
whatshisname: Hey it worked out really well for Theo Van Gogh.

I came in to say this.

And to say that the Muslims should fear a European right-wing backlash.

/There ain't no right-wing backlash like a European right-wing backlash.
//They've been leaning left long enough to come whip-sawing back the other way
///Just when we start to drift a little left
 
2007-12-11 09:23:57 PM
www.aina.org
 
2007-12-11 09:24:56 PM
The film maker in question:

images.mccoveychronicles.com

Those that issued threats:

www.timesonline.co.uk

And finally, the governments that acquiesce to these morans:

bexar-tx.tamu.edu

There is no right party here.
 
2007-12-11 09:24:57 PM
Let's have a respectful discussion here folks. No shouting. No cursing. No name-calling. Everyone here is equal.

/Except those guys
//You know who I'm talking about
///And you know if you're one of them
 
2007-12-11 09:25:22 PM
Well, I just spent a lot of time looking for a scan of a page from Bill Maher's When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden. One essay is titled They Hate us Because We Don't Even Know Why They Hate Us, and has a picture that would be appropriate here.

Anyone have a scan of it and want to post that for me because I spent too much time looking for it and now I need a cigarette?
 
2007-12-11 09:25:59 PM
Oh shiat, Dutch dudes...

RUN!
 
2007-12-11 09:26:12 PM
Born2late


"I respect the hell out of Warren Buffett. He's a straight shooter and knows where the smart money is. He's not call the Prophet of Omaha for nothing.

Oops, wrong thread."


Don't worry, because even though this is off topic, it's probably the most reasonable thing that will be posted in this thread.

 
2007-12-11 09:26:22 PM
I wonder what Theo van Gogh would say about this... if he hadn't been stabbed to death.

Link (Wiki)
 
2007-12-11 09:26:35 PM
Sir Roderick Glossop: whatshisname: Hey it worked out really well for Theo Van Gogh.

I came in to say this.


I third this notion.

/this notion. i third it.
 
2007-12-11 09:26:43 PM
As long as I can still find Somali khat, Lebanese hash, and Afghani heroin on the streets of Amsterdam, this story is of no use to me whatsoever.
 
2007-12-11 09:28:26 PM
Ah, Fox News. Where they sort the wheat from the chaff, and print the lies.
 
2007-12-11 09:28:46 PM
So is the 11th of any month "terrorism day" now?
 
2007-12-11 09:30:16 PM
Afternoon_Delight: FTFA: Threats of murder. Fears of riots and religious violence. Demands for censorship. Politicians in hiding, fearing for their lives. A government preparing for the worst.

And it's all happening because of a 10-minute movie that hasn't even been made yet.


No it isn't.

It's happening because feel-good multiculturalism is blowing up in Europe's face. Europe's enlightened liberals have embraced 'tolerance' and 'diversity', only to see their churches replaced by mosques and an angry and very violent muslim population that refuses to assimilate.

Whoops.


I would like to refute any of your statement, but I cannot.

Maybe we could go to their countries and replace a couple of their mosques with our churches. I bet they would accept us just fine like we are.

It is all just a piece of religion.
 
2007-12-11 09:30:56 PM
hariseldon: I wonder what Theo van Gogh would say about this... if he hadn't been stabbed to death.

Link (Wiki)


So, you fourth it?
(See below)

strife: Sir Roderick Glossop: whatshisname: Hey it worked out really well for Theo Van Gogh.

I came in to say this.

I third this notion.

/this notion. i third it.
 
2007-12-11 09:31:31 PM
Born2late:

The right to be offended does not exist.


Good luck on convincing religious leaders on that.

You are dealing with the brain equivalent of a concrete block: Solid, impenetrable, rigid, simple and can only be changed by using a heavy sledgehammer.
 
2007-12-11 09:31:34 PM
www.parool.nl

www.cbc.ca

TROP?
 
2007-12-11 09:31:37 PM

Yeay and the 6th Seal was opened.
And written on't was the Sign
the Prophets had foretold
but None had heeded,
so Unbelievable, so Inconceivable
was the Event

And the Scroll read . . .


YES, you can has CATURDAY!!!

 
2007-12-11 09:32:25 PM
Boritom: Geert Wilders may be an extremist asshat with a poorly concealed anti-Islamic vendetta, but frankly, I'm beginning to think he and his ilk have a valid point, even if it is being unfairly inflated.

The problem is there's not more caliphate. When everyone and their mother's little dog can declare themselves a religious authority with the ability to call jihad on shiat, then they do it. That's why churches don't have the authority to declare crusades anymore, no matter how opressed they feel. Islam's a younger religion, it just hasn't found the way to philosophically cut off the assholes in the absence of central authority yet.
 
Rat
2007-12-11 09:32:46 PM
Is his hair really that color, and is that a common color up there in Norwegia?

© And did his hairdresser save a batch for the snatch? Oh, I like to stay out of politics so that's all I have to comment on.
 
2007-12-11 09:32:47 PM
skinink

Agreed
 
2007-12-11 09:33:44 PM
Born2late: I respect the hell out of Warren Buffett. He's a straight shooter and knows where the smart money is. He's not call the Prophet of Omaha for nothing.

Calling a mortal man a prophet, that is a beheading. Sorry.
 
2007-12-11 09:33:47 PM
So basically he's only going to highlight the parts that suit his agenda? Will Michael Moore be working as an advisor on this?

/Thinks all religion is bat-shiat crazy
//Islam takes the cake, though
 
2007-12-11 09:35:11 PM
Biological Ali: And finally, the governments that acquiesce to these morans:

I'm feeling pretty stupid for the fact that I sat there and thought: "Flowers? They're flowers? WTF?" and was about to post something rude before suddenly realizing my own ignorance.

/apparently that's what a "pansy" looks like
 
2007-12-11 09:35:27 PM
Sir Roderick Glossop: hariseldon: I wonder what Theo van Gogh would say about this... if he hadn't been stabbed to death.

Link (Wiki)

So, you fourth it?
(See below)


arg. thanks for pointing that out.
 
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