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(Washington Times)   Actual headline: Airport fingerprinting goes two-fisted   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 47
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2007-12-11 10:43:55 AM
My name is Airport Fingerprinting and I approve this headline.
 
2007-12-11 01:27:30 PM
How is it scary? Unless they mean the implications for the lines...

And foreigners will like this, once kinks are worked out. I'd rather be fingerprinted than taken aside into a little room just because my name is Osama bin Leiden...
 
2007-12-11 01:29:50 PM
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2007-12-11 01:31:47 PM
TFA
"This is absolutely the right thing we need to do from a security and efficiency perspective," said Geoff Freeman, executive director of the Discover America Partnership, a travel industry lobbying group. "What we all need to understand is when these security measures are put in place, they appear to folks outside of the U.S. to be barriers. They appear to be reasons to go someplace else."

What a friggin' tool.
 
2007-12-11 01:32:16 PM
Giggity.
 
2007-12-11 01:32:59 PM
FTA: Local airport officials reported no unusual delays and no complaints so far about the new Customs and Border Protection fingerprint policy.


Well... since the security features required in the US tend to be less intrusive and time consuming than in other countries, I can see that.

Just imagine what Americans would do if we had full body pat downs and frisking for everyone like in Germany.
 
2007-12-11 01:33:46 PM
proteus_b: And foreigners will like this, once kinks are worked out. I'd rather be fingerprinted than taken aside into a little room just because my name is Osama bin Leiden...


Then you wouldn't mind if we just searched your house just to make sure, right?

/9-11
//out of an abundance of caution
 
2007-12-11 01:35:13 PM
Captain_Kris: Just imagine what Americans would do if we had full body pat downs and frisking for everyone like in Germany.

Shenanigans.
 
2007-12-11 01:36:49 PM
Airports have fingers?
 
2007-12-11 01:37:11 PM
FTA: Local airport officials reported no unusual delays and no complaints so far about the new Customs and Border Protection fingerprint policy.

Anyone who complained was classified as an enemy combatant and shipped off to Camp Waterboard.
 
2007-12-11 01:37:45 PM
Waste of time and resources.
 
2007-12-11 01:37:52 PM
The whole fingerprinting thing is stupid and is an insult to foreign visitors. "Welcome to America! Now line up for your mugshot and fingerprints to be taken. But we like you really, yeah. Give us your money and stuff"

How many of the terrorists blowing up our troops in Iraq right now have their fingerprints in this system? I'm guessing zero. The system only works if they have the fingerprints of every terrorist in the world in the system. Now what terrorist, who knows he has had his fingerprints taken, would try to get in the US this legal way? The terrorist leaders would just send someone over who has never had their fingerprints and ta-da, system defeated.

Of course they could also just sneak across the Mexican border with the other millions of illegal aliens. Either way the fingerprinting system is nothing but an annoyance and sends out the wrong message to foreign visitors: you are a criminal unless we say you aren't. Guilty until proven innocent.
 
2007-12-11 01:38:30 PM
And if you put Chuck Norris in charge, it would be three-fisted.
 
2007-12-11 01:38:55 PM
Less02

I don't mind. Fingerprinting people----> objective reasoning
some retard insisting on searching my house because he is himself impervious to reason ----> subjective 'reasoning'
 
2007-12-11 01:43:02 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com

/Newly added to the TSA required reading list
 
2007-12-11 01:43:14 PM
Walker: How many of the terrorists blowing up our troops in Iraq right now have their fingerprints in this system?

This system is 100% stupid for exactly this reason.
 
2007-12-11 01:48:33 PM
You can't just jump up from fingering to fisting all of a sudden. You gotta work your way up to it.
 
2007-12-11 01:53:45 PM
I don't understand where we've gone in the past 50 years. Nothing has changed in terms of human nature, but technology has changed the game considerably. There isn't any new need for fingerprinting people, but the fear and paranoia currently gripping the country dictates that need.

Is anyone thinking about the logic here? So theoretically, by fingerprinting people, we are somehow supposedly protecting against terrorist attacks. What about terrorists who have never entered the system? Do you really think someone planning some fantastic "terrorist plot" would be stupid enough to send out a repeat offender who is going to set off alarms?

Here is the main point nobody seems to be grasping: fingerprinting has always historically been a forensics tool--in that it is a means of collecting evidence against someone who has already committed a crime. By suggesting that everyone, regardless of having committed a crime or not, should submit forensic data is assuming that everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Period.

It doesn't matter if it's ten prints or five, the outcome is still the same: The government is collecting criminal information on everyone regardless of whether or not they have committed any crime. The supposed Fourth Amendment "loophole" is that flying is a voluntary activity and that by purchasing a ticket, you are implicitly signing away your Constitutionally established rights. The problem is that not only is that not stated anywhere in the ticket purchasing process (or maybe it is, I don't know), the Fourth Amendment is not limited to any particular place or time. You cannot suspend these rights just because you wish to. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

You know why it happens? Nobody is resisting, nobody is questioning authority, people are panicked, fearful and compliant. Just the way any authoritarian government likes its citizens.
 
2007-12-11 01:55:14 PM
How are printing all 10 fingers better than 2? 1 should be sufficient. I thought they were unique?
 
2007-12-11 01:59:52 PM
tortilla burger

You can't just jump up from fingering to fisting all of a sudden. You gotta work your way up to it.

Goat see what you did there.
 
2007-12-11 02:09:08 PM
My kids have been hounding us to take them to Disneyland. With the way the United Police States of America has gone in the last few years I think Id rather save up for another year and go to Euro Disney in France. Forget being treated as a suspect by a system that wont catch a single terrorist (they arent that stupid). Forget risking a run-in with one of your police officers. Forget spending my money where some of it might go to support the kind of crap going on in the US now.

My biggest concern is the collateral damage we face here in Canada with the rapid demise of the great US empire next door. E hubris unum! Your pride has blinded many of you to the decay.

And to save the trolls the trouble Ill now go back to "suffering" my chilly existance with my pot smoking, socialized medicine enjoying, athiest brethren. Sure is rough.
 
2007-12-11 02:09:44 PM
This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to.

Just relax, turn around and take my hand.
 
2007-12-11 02:12:40 PM
KingCthulu: You know why it happens? Nobody is resisting, nobody is questioning authority, people are panicked, fearful and compliant. Just the way any authoritarian government likes its citizens.

In spirit, I agree with you, but technically, they're only fingerprinting non-citizens entering the country. I'm not sure how the constitution applies under such circumstances.
 
2007-12-11 02:19:44 PM
Quite an eye-popping concept!
 
2007-12-11 02:20:08 PM
tortilla burger: You can't just jump up from fingering to fisting all of a sudden. You gotta work your way up to it.

And don't forget the lube. That could set you back years.
 
2007-12-11 02:20:22 PM
king cthulu probably objects to having a name as well. the 'search' in my opinion, is complete when someone processes that information. collecting the data does not constitute a search.

if there's a problem of too many people going around with guns, the cops can search everyone for a gun. if they find weed, they cannot use the results of the search to prosecute the stoner. unless he also has a gun, which allows them to do another search, finding the weed.

Note: it is easier and friendlier to enter the usa than teh canada. ask any european/south american. But we're 'repressed' so go ahead and hate us.

Canada does many great things. But being less "evil" than the US w.r.t. border security isn't it. And controlling the 'smug' of its citizens may soon become part of the ken of the IPCC.
 
2007-12-11 02:38:36 PM
Doesn't the Washington Times realize that this includes travelers from Korea?
 
2007-12-11 02:42:03 PM
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2007-12-11 02:49:34 PM
tortilla burger

You can't just jump up from fingering to fisting all of a sudden. You gotta work your way up to it.

Sounds like somebodies birthday! Have fun kids and towel up the blood....

/zInG
 
2007-12-11 03:03:08 PM
studebaker hoch: tortilla burger

You can't just jump up from fingering to fisting all of a sudden. You gotta work your way up to it.

Goat see what you did there.


And I see what you did there.
 
2007-12-11 03:04:01 PM
Nogin Lame

France would love to have you. Stay awhile and enjoy the riots and socialism. Your Canadian so it'll seem familiar...
 
2007-12-11 03:23:24 PM
Aria Giovanni unavailable for comment.
 
2007-12-11 03:23:29 PM
Q: Did you jump?
A: A little at first.
 
2007-12-11 03:27:26 PM
studebaker hoch

Old airborne joke...

/very nice sir, very nice.
 
2007-12-11 03:53:20 PM
I thought only criminals were fingerprinted involuntarily.

Soon, fingerprints will be required for entry for all persons, citizens or not.

I thought only criminals were fingerprinted involuntarily. Worth repeating.
 
2007-12-11 04:02:38 PM
The new security measure has prompted concern that foreign travelers are going to look at it as a barrier to entry.

Well boo farking hoo.
 
2007-12-11 04:23:30 PM
http://www.ccc.de/biometrie/fingerabdruck_kopieren.xml?language=en

"Man, you travel a lot! This like your 128th trip today!"

Somewhere Amal Ja'won is wondering why he's got 30,000,000 frequent flyer miles, but certainy dosen't ask.
 
2007-12-11 04:29:15 PM
malibupetey: I thought only criminals were fingerprinted involuntarily.

Soon, fingerprints will be required for entry for all persons, citizens or not.

I thought only criminals were fingerprinted involuntarily. Worth repeating.


I was required by law to be fingerprinted to have my job as a security guard, but I could've walked out any time I wanted...I just couldn't have gotten a job.

So yeah, I agree. Only criminals are fingerprinted involuntarily. Too late though, because mine are already in the system even though I'm not a criminal.
 
2007-12-11 05:38:29 PM
Of course we're all criminals! Didn't you know?

The U.S. government, and all related governments, are engaged in a "global war on terror." Since the word "terror" has absolutely no fixed definition, it stands in the eye of the beholder. What terrifies one person emboldens another.

Therefore, since the U.S. is most terrified of losing control, any threat to that control is "terror." Democracy and pluralistic control are both terrifying, thusly making anyone interested in democracy or a popular uprising a "potential terrorist." Everything in the system is being carefully designed to completely eliminate all "potential terrorists," they're just getting more effective at tightening those controls.

Anyone who does not obey, anyone who dissents--all "potential terrorists." Neat little trick, huh? Of course, that took 75+ years, countless laws and lots of convincing to get to--but the outcome is still the same.

"Majority rules" is not a democracy. A republic is not a democracy. We are a majority-rules republic. Any questions?
 
2007-12-11 07:25:46 PM
TSA demo video will have Alisha Klass in the starring role.
 
2007-12-11 07:40:34 PM
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2007-12-11 07:57:27 PM
Bob N Freely:
In spirit, I agree with you, but technically, they're only fingerprinting non-citizens entering the country. I'm not sure how the constitution applies under such circumstances.

Where in the Constitution does it say that it only limits government power when citizens are involved?
 
2007-12-11 08:01:34 PM
RabidOstrich: I was required by law to be fingerprinted to have my job as a security guard, but I could've walked out any time I wanted...I just couldn't have gotten a job.

So yeah, I agree. Only criminals are fingerprinted involuntarily. Too late though, because mine are already in the system even though I'm not a criminal.


And then there's Texas, which requires fingerprints as a condition of getting a driver's license. What next, claiming that buying or renting a home is voluntary, and doing so is implied consent to warrantless searches?
 
2007-12-11 08:39:16 PM
Walker: The whole fingerprinting thing is stupid and is an insult to foreign visitors. "Welcome to America! Now line up for your mugshot and fingerprints to be taken. But we like you really, yeah. Give us your money and stuff"

Talk to Italy about that. As soon as I arrived I had to register with the local precinct in Rome to be photographed and fingerprinted. This is for people with visas, not vacationers.
 
2007-12-12 02:12:49 AM
Nogin Lame: My kids have been hounding us to take them to Disneyland. With the way the United Police States of America has gone in the last few years I think Id rather save up for another year and go to Euro Disney in France. Forget being treated as a suspect by a system that wont catch a single terrorist (they arent that stupid). Forget risking a run-in with one of your police officers. Forget spending my money where some of it might go to support the kind of crap going on in the US now.

My biggest concern is the collateral damage we face here in Canada with the rapid demise of the great US empire next door. E hubris unum! Your pride has blinded many of you to the decay.

And to save the trolls the trouble Ill now go back to "suffering" my chilly existance with my pot smoking, socialized medicine enjoying, athiest brethren. Sure is rough.



Hey! Can I move in with you?
 
2007-12-12 08:53:05 AM
Any excuse to put more people in the brain of the Beast.
 
2007-12-12 03:45:26 PM
I approve. This will help in tracking down foreigners suspected of engaging in tourrist activities.
 
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