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(Slashdot)   The new "Wheel of Time" author has been chosen. Thankfully, neither Brian Herbert nor Kevin Anderson are involved   (dragonmount.com ) divider line
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2007-12-10 03:26:16 PM  
Hmmmm. Must be a Brit if it's an "authour."
 
2007-12-10 03:31:04 PM  
Give me more Dune, even if it's bad Dune.
 
2007-12-10 03:37:06 PM  
I think you are labouring under a mispression about certain spelling rules, Subby, and it's colouring how you spell certain words. You might want to cheque into that.
 
2007-12-10 03:45:39 PM  
Is it Gene Ray?
 
2007-12-10 03:55:26 PM  
drnugget: Give me more Dune, even if it's bad Dune.

Cool! Does that mean you'd watch my proposed talk show hosted by a floating Baron Harkonnen? I need to find examples of popular support to justify putting heart plugs in the guests.
 
2007-12-10 04:00:56 PM  
thank God.
 
2007-12-10 04:04:24 PM  
About 12-15 years ago, while I was in college, I went to a book signing by Orson Scott Card at a little bookshop in Boston. There were only about three dozen of us there since it was a cold, frigid day with miserable weather so the signing turned into an informal book chat that lasted nearly two hours. I asked him what he thought of the "Wheel of Time" series. His response?

"I hope he finishes it before he dies."

True story. Only got through about 4-5 books before I got tired of waiting for the next one. Maybe I'll pick it up again once it's done. Hadn't even heard he had died.
 
2007-12-10 04:09:29 PM  
Jmast7: About 12-15 years ago, while I was in college, I went to a book signing by Orson Scott Card at a little bookshop in Boston. There were only about three dozen of us there since it was a cold, frigid day with miserable weather so the signing turned into an informal book chat that lasted nearly two hours. I asked him what he thought of the "Wheel of Time" series. His response?

"I hope he finishes it before he dies."

True story. Only got through about 4-5 books before I got tired of waiting for the next one. Maybe I'll pick it up again once it's done. Hadn't even heard he had died.


It's such a good series, but after book 5, I lost interest. I hated following Nynaeve around. Give me more Rand, you bastard!

/still planning on finishing
//gotta finish Sword of Truth
///and the whole Dune series (yeah, I know, should've read those when I was in grade school)
 
2007-12-10 04:21:40 PM  
Yes, it turned out to be pretty tedious the last half of the series; frankly just a money grab. If the next announcement I hear from Tor Books is that the last book won't be the last, I'm going to puke.

I understand the property will be licensed to others to expand the Wheel of Time world in the future and all that, but the main series has got to END.
 
2007-12-10 05:15:50 PM  
I tried enjoying the books. I really did. But the beginning of the end for me was in book 7 or 8 where Jordan spent 2 1/2 pages, in one paragraph, describing the local weather.

And I thought Bradbury was bad ;)
 
2007-12-10 06:05:11 PM  
No matter the choice my sister will do the cover.

Love that job security.
 
2007-12-10 06:18:47 PM  
Is he going to be as bloated, long-winded, and pointless as Jordan? That series would have made a really good trilogy, when Jordan started writing fantasy the soap-operas were deprived of a star writer.

Why yes, I do think those books sucked, how did you guess?
 
2007-12-10 07:30:13 PM  
Wow, lots of WoT haters. Personally, I hated fantasy until I read Robert Jordan and although a few of the books dragged, Book 11 made up for it in my eyes. I'm listening to the audiobooks from the beginning, so I should be good to go by the time this one hits the shelves.

Yes, they're big. Yes, there's lots of detail and sometimes it's overload, but it's a fantasic series.
 
2007-12-10 07:31:41 PM  
drnugget: Give me more Dune, even if it's bad Dune.

The new books aren't really Dune. And I'm not just saying that because they're poorly-written garbage. The Omnius and Erasmus characters and their story arc were purely the invention of Brian Herbert and KJA. They have admitted as much. Since several of the prequels and both of the sequels depend on those characters and their history, we can pretty safely assume that the notes Frank Herbert left behind did not really constitute a plot outline.
 
2007-12-10 07:33:10 PM  
I've been in the middle of book 5 for over a year (lost the will to go on,) and RJ's death sealed the deal for me....

Now I'm wondering if I must force myself through what i've heard is 6 books of long-winded suck to find out what heppens....


love 1-3...
 
2007-12-10 07:36:43 PM  
First paragraph of the article: the rare blood disease amyloidosis.

i2.photobucket.com

First thing that came to mind, for some reason.

/Window seat?
 
2007-12-10 07:36:56 PM  
Brian Herbert has sullied his father's legacy.
 
2007-12-10 07:37:36 PM  
I loved the series when it started. I stuck through it when it started to drag. I eventually give up when there was an entire novel without any significant plot development.

It was at that point where I sat down and had to ask myself, "Is it worth buying the rest of the novels just for the sake of seeing it through to the end?"

I decided that there was no point in finishing a series that I had stopped enjoying quite a long time since. It's a rule that I've applied to other series as well. I'll give a single bad installment a pass (every author has off novels), but if two books in a row don't live up to my expectations, I won't keep investing more money into it just because I'm curious to see how it ends. That's what spoiler sites are for.
 
2007-12-10 07:37:36 PM  
wooo... Fall '09.

*goes back to reading Dan Abnett a superior writer who publishes shiat a hell of a lot faster.*
 
2007-12-10 07:37:49 PM  
JohnnieStag: I've been in the middle of book 5 for over a year (lost the will to go on,) and RJ's death sealed the deal for me....

Now I'm wondering if I must force myself through what i've heard is 6 books of long-winded suck to find out what heppens....


love 1-3...


Finish book five and six. If you want to quit after that, then Wheel of Time probably isn't for you. The events in book six kept me going when I might have otherwise given in.
 
2007-12-10 07:38:26 PM  
I admit that of all the books, I liked Book 1 the best. In my opinion, it's a great standalone novel even if you don't want to read the rest of the books.

The rest of them weren't as good as the beginning. But I read them all anyway :P
 
2007-12-10 07:43:23 PM  
Some 'Splainin' To Do: It was at that point where I sat down and had to ask myself, "Is it worth buying the rest of the novels just for the sake of seeing it through to the end?"

I have a friend who, despite being sick and tired of them, made it a personal mission to complete Hubbard's "Mission Earth" series.

"Wheel of Time" is my "Mission Earth." I started losing interest right around book 7, when the action slowed to a virtual standstill, but I am bound and determined to finish the series out. Can't wait for the last book...
 
2007-12-10 07:46:44 PM  
damn it! 2009???!!!???


oh well, at least I can read the final Sword of Truth book and put at least one series to rest.


gods....
 
2007-12-10 07:47:20 PM  
I met Robert Jordan twice. First time he told me it would be 6 books. Then 10 books. Now he's dead.

I agree with subby. The new Dune books are horrid.
 
2007-12-10 07:50:27 PM  
tortilla burger: I admit that of all the books, I liked Book 1 the best. In my opinion, it's a great standalone novel even if you don't want to read the rest of the books.

The rest of them weren't as good as the beginning. But I read them all anyway :P


Same here--the first one is one of the best fantasy novels I've read. I slogged through 2 and 3 and eventually quit about halfway through book 4. It was very hard to get into, knowing that there were 6 more zillion-page sequels and more on the way.
 
2007-12-10 07:52:01 PM  
I thoroughly enjoyed 1-6. However, 7-10 pissed me off to no end...when a single 1k page book only covers two days worth of time in the world, and then the first half of the next book covers part of that same time from a different perspective...ugh

That being said, I think he does deserve some credit for fleshing out the world as much as he did. I just think he lost control of it trying to keep everything together. Or maybe he was just milking it for the money, but I like to think not.

Book 11 rocked though, and I'm hopeful about this last one...we'll see.
 
2007-12-10 07:55:53 PM  
Cyberluddite: I think you are labouring under a mispression about certain spelling rules, Subby, and it's colouring how you spell certain words. You might want to cheque into that.

If I had mod points, I mod you up. Oops, this isn't slashdot, but with 4 links going to it today, it might as well be.
 
2007-12-10 07:57:49 PM  
Hey, why do people hire Kevin J. Anderson? He ruins everything he touches.
 
2007-12-10 07:58:34 PM  
TossMySalad: No matter the choice my sister will do the cover.

Love that job security.


Really? Do you think she could work Domo-Kun into the cover scheme somewhere?
 
2007-12-10 07:59:41 PM  
I'd prefer to read about the Others breaching the walls and invading the North, and the rise of the Targaryen heiress, but at least Mr. Martin is still alive.
 
2007-12-10 08:00:55 PM  
ne2d: tortilla burger: I admit that of all the books, I liked Book 1 the best. In my opinion, it's a great standalone novel even if you don't want to read the rest of the books.

The rest of them weren't as good as the beginning. But I read them all anyway :P

Same here--the first one is one of the best fantasy novels I've read. I slogged through 2 and 3 and eventually quit about halfway through book 4. It was very hard to get into, knowing that there were 6 more zillion-page sequels and more on the way.


That's too bad. Book 4 was my personal favorite.
 
2007-12-10 08:01:52 PM  
sinner3k: Wow, lots of WoT haters. Personally, I hated fantasy until I read Robert Jordan and although a few of the books dragged, Book 11 made up for it in my eyes. I'm listening to the audiobooks from the beginning, so I should be good to go by the time this one hits the shelves.

Yes, they're big. Yes, there's lots of detail and sometimes it's overload, but it's a fantasic series.


Agreed. Book 11 made up for the 3 books before that that were kind of draggy. A lot happened. I'm looking forward to Memory of Light, even if it has been unfortunately delayed. Jordan was a fighter, its amazing he was still writing so much during the last months of his life.

Looking forward to the next R. Scott Bakker book to come out as well as Erickson's next Malazan book. Plus the release of ICE's Malazan Book, Return of the Crimson Guard.
 
2007-12-10 08:05:19 PM  
Hmm, I like this choice. The guy's first novel was pretty entertaining, and he does a good job of keeping characters interesting when they're so powerful that they should be boring.
 
2007-12-10 08:05:24 PM  
TossMySalad: No matter the choice my sister will do the cover.

Love that job security.


Hasn't some guy done all of the cover art so far? And everyone hates it? I know all of the painted covers for the hardbacks and (most) of the paperback releases sucked donkey balls without any resemblance to the descriptions in the books. Its only the plain covers with just some sort of logo on them some of the releases have had that look decent.
 
2007-12-10 08:10:16 PM  
neapoi: TossMySalad: No matter the choice my sister will do the cover.

Love that job security.

Really? Do you think she could work Domo-Kun into the cover scheme somewhere?


It would do nothing but enhance the quality of the cover art. It never sat well with me how far from my mental picture the cover art was. The WoT RPG books (I swear, I just looked at them, I'm not THAT big of a nerd) matched much better, leading me to beleive that I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
 
2007-12-10 08:11:59 PM  
I know nothing about this series, but what's wrong with Kevin Anderson? I read some of his star wars books some time back and they weren't bad. (Well, okay, not the kiddy ones, but the actual Jedi Academy trilogy.) Did writing kids' books screw over his writing style when he went back to writing for adults?
 
2007-12-10 08:28:44 PM  
cycotica: I have a friend who, despite being sick and tired of them, made it a personal mission to complete Hubbard's "Mission Earth" series.

I actually enjoyed the Mission Earth series. I picked up all ten books back when I was in middle school for something ridiculous like $20 (the Scientologists were selling it cheap just to get names of people they could send mail to), and I breezed through them in a couple months. They weren't great, but they were very entertaining and there were some very funny parts. I particularly enjoyed the perspective (the narrator was the villain, and he made himself out to be a tragic figure because the hero kept foiling all of his evil plans).
 
2007-12-10 08:34:45 PM  
plain and simply... he could have ended it after 4 or 5 books.

why not resolve the freakin' story, and move onto other things? I'll tell you why... he copied off of Tolkien so much that he probably felt that he couldn't come up with better material on his own....

Sure, he had some good characters, but all the little cool nuances are taken from Tolkien. Do all fantasy authors do this? For instance, how Rand's power also destroys him, just like the One Ring. or certain bad guys. I see no difference between an Org and a Trolloc, or a Shadow Ghoul and a Witch King. Even how that Knight guy was actually a secret King...
 
2007-12-10 08:38:41 PM  
SOIaF >> WoT
 
2007-12-10 08:48:12 PM  
The Game Earth books were okay.
 
2007-12-10 08:48:40 PM  
TheCid: I know nothing about this series, but what's wrong with Kevin Anderson? I read some of his star wars books some time back and they weren't bad. (Well, okay, not the kiddy ones, but the actual Jedi Academy trilogy.) Did writing kids' books screw over his writing style when he went back to writing for adults?

Although unintentional, in your post you've perfectly outlined why Kevin J. Anderson and his writing is so despised.
 
2007-12-10 08:50:12 PM  
DrGunsforHands: TheCid: I know nothing about this series, but what's wrong with Kevin Anderson? I read some of his star wars books some time back and they weren't bad. (Well, okay, not the kiddy ones, but the actual Jedi Academy trilogy.) Did writing kids' books screw over his writing style when he went back to writing for adults?

Although unintentional, in your post you've perfectly outlined why Kevin J. Anderson and his writing is so despised.


Fair enough. I haven't read anything of his after the original Jedi Academy trilogy.
 
2007-12-10 09:10:58 PM  
Rules for writing Wheel of Time

Never say in a sentence what you can say in a paragraph.
Never say in a paragraph what you can stretch out to fill a chapter.
It's never too late to introduce another named character.
Or twelve.
It's never too late to bring back a character that everyone had forgotten about three books ago.
Every once in a while, take the fan's favorite character and don't refernce him for an entire book.
Tolkien lacked ambition.
When in doubt, have Nyneve tug on her braid.
Arriving at a point? Better find a way to fix that problem immediately.
If the reader doesn't ask if you are getting paid by the word, you haven't done your job.
 
2007-12-10 09:11:20 PM  
I wonder if he can make me hate the female characters like RJ did? Hmm, choose between:

a) Loud and annoying
b) annoying and loud
c) and loud annoying

I like. I truly
 
2007-12-10 09:24:06 PM  
Posthumously authorized "sequels" suck (especially when written by children of the author), as do "collaborations" with established geriatric authors. Christopher Tolkien came about the closest to lack of suck as I've seen, but it's still suck.

Why don't people realize that it's fanfic (which is the very literal definition of suck) that just happens to be written by someone having a partial DNA transfer from the original author? Does 15min of sweaty sex somehow transfer the spark of inspiration that authorizes the little crotch dropping to pollute his/her father's/mother's work, decades after the initial grunting moment?

Sadly, the answer is "yes, as long as morons keep slapping money on the table."
 
2007-12-10 09:26:47 PM  
TheCid: I know nothing about this series, but what's wrong with Kevin Anderson? I read some of his star wars books some time back and they weren't bad. (Well, okay, not the kiddy ones, but the actual Jedi Academy trilogy.) Did writing kids' books screw over his writing style when he went back to writing for adults?

Let's see, he has a childish writing style that is unsuitable to something like Dune. There's his obsessive-compulsive need to link unrelated characters and plot points to every single other character and plot point (Gaius Helen Mohiam as the mother of Jessica? Why?). He creates and promotes his own characters over previously established characters when writing in someone else's universe (Omnius, Erasmus, House Vernius). Also he lacks the ability to come up with original plots, and rehashes existing plots endlessly (Planet killing superweapons in Star Wars). That's just a few off the top of my head.

There's a reason current Star Wars authors generally have ignored or dropped everything he did to the storyline, including killing off Anakin Solo.

/yes I am a nerd
 
2007-12-10 09:31:16 PM  
Posthumously authorized "sequels" suck (especially when written by children of the author), as do "collaborations" with established geriatric authors.

I submit the Dragonriders of Pern, by Anns son to support this.
 
2007-12-10 09:33:19 PM  
And here's a picture ...

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2007-12-10 09:34:10 PM  
Handsome B. Wonderful: Also he lacks the ability to come up with original plots, and rehashes existing plots endlessly (Planet killing superweapons in Star Wars).

Yeah, that's fair; but I don't recall the rest of that particular series being too awful... of course, I was like... 14 when I read it?

Handsome B. Wonderful: There's a reason current Star Wars authors generally have ignored or dropped everything he did to the storyline, including killing off Anakin Solo.

Wait, how does that work? If his book with this story event is published by the canonical publisher, aren't the other authors stuck with it? Or did someone just deus ex machina Anakin back?

/stopped reading star wars books halfway through the New Jedi Order, because it was getting absolutely ridiculous
 
2007-12-10 09:35:29 PM  
FTFA:

Harriet Popham Rigney, Jordan's beloved wife and editor, said of her decision to have Sanderson complete the last book in The Wheel of Time series: "I have chosen Brandon Sanderson to complete Robert Jordan's great work, and I am absolutely delighted that he accepted. I will of course be editing this book as I have all of the other books of The Wheel of Time."

That lying biatch. I refuse to believe that any editor with a brain cell did so much as glance at any of the last few books.
 
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