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(Daily Mail)   Headline: "Primary school bans Christmas cards claiming they cause 'hurt feelings.'" Article: "In no way have we banned Christmas cards from school."   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 74
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2007-12-09 11:47:27 AM  
In third grade we were made to write nice cards to each other on Valentine's Day. One card per person, recipient assigned. I knew the one I got, from a guy who didn't like me, was not sincere. My feelings would not have been hurt if I had received none. I was assigned a girl I liked and I didn't know what to write but luckily she missed school that day so I escaped without having to express emotion.
 
2007-12-09 11:47:28 AM  
Daily. Mail.
 
2007-12-09 12:00:59 PM  
Love it... simply love it...

Nowhere in this article is there a mention of an outright ban. Whether or not the school is right in LIMITING Christmas cards, is another issue. How on earth can Daily Mail intentionally mislead readers like that?
 
2007-12-09 12:16:14 PM  
ZAZ: ... luckily she missed school that day so I escaped without having to express emotion.

Very funny.
 
2007-12-09 12:37:18 PM  
"The parents have asked for class lists and we can't give these out for data protection reasons."

Bulllllllshhiiiitttttt.
 
2007-12-09 12:55:44 PM  
The holidays should usually bring the best in all of us, to be kind, helpful, respectful to one another, and in some way, to make the world a slightly better place to be, at least during the holidays.

But instead we turn into bigger asshats.

eddddie.googlepages.com

/I weep for mankind
 
2007-12-09 12:56:05 PM  
What would FARK be like without the Daily Fail?
 
2007-12-09 12:56:26 PM  

Anyone else catch this one?



An alarming poll published last week found that 36 per cent of younger Britons - aged between 18 and 24 - did not know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.


I don't know about y'all, but that's not the slightest bit alarming to me. I mean, I've no idea where most important (and real) world leaders were born and those folks have much more impact on my life than the Jebus.

 
2007-12-09 12:57:39 PM  
I had a minor concern about giving out a class list, and decided to give one out that only had the first names of the class.

Not rocket science.

Interestingly, the one muslim in the class took one. I wonder if we are all going to get Eid cards? That would be nice.
 
2007-12-09 12:58:25 PM  
sasbazooka: How on earth can Daily Mail intentionally mislead readers like that?

Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha *snort* ha ha ha. *chuckle*
 
2007-12-09 12:59:20 PM  
FTFA:

Another survey earlier this month found that only one in five schools are planning to perform a traditional nativity play this year, amid fears that having one could offend non-Christians.

I wonder who these easily offended non-Christians could be....
 
2007-12-09 01:00:54 PM  
Anyone who is offended by expressions of other people's religions has real issues.
 
2007-12-09 01:02:52 PM  
How will the children learn of the importance of being popular if they're not motivated with some good old fashioned public humiliation? Builds character, it does.

Teaches the Importance of Conformance.
 
2007-12-09 01:03:22 PM  
"Mommy, why do I never get Christmas cards?"

"Because no one likes you, Snowflake."
 
2007-12-09 01:06:02 PM  
I wonder who these easily offended non-Christians could be....

Jews, Hindus, Jehovas Witness...

Why, who were you thinking of?

Merry farkin' holiday, redneck.
 
2007-12-09 01:06:19 PM  
There is a local rumor there that Santa and anything to do with our eggnog swilling MILF tapping friend is going to be banned. People now have bumper stickers proclaiming that "Christmas and Santa are sacred" or some BS like that.

At my kid's school they made cards as part of their art project. Big cards, a piece of 11x17 folded in half. The class got them as a whole and the kids thought it was neat. They can pass out birthday cards in class but they have to go to everyone....if they're only inviting a couple of kids then they want you to mail them.

The latest rumor here (Ok, I did help stir it up a bit) is that Santa is going to be banned since he's offensive to some. Sadly many people think it's serious. Ah, idiots.
 
2007-12-09 01:06:38 PM  
I'd address the whole class, but be sure to make an exception for all the people little Timmy didn't particularly like.
 
2007-12-09 01:13:02 PM  
"The parents are up in arms about it. How can you ban children from sending Christmas cards to their friends?"

You can't. The children can use the postal service or simply hand cards to their friends.

"The parents have asked for class lists and we can't give these out for data protection reasons.

Didn't "Merry Old England" just lose tens (or hundreds) of thousands of files containing personal information? Some protection there. Just ask the kids to list their friends, I don't recall the schools EVER giving lists out. We knew who our fellow students were.
 
2007-12-09 01:14:06 PM  
I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

Each and every day, my child recites the Pledge at school with the words "under God" smashed in there, and I allow her to continue because she is 6 and a) isn't old enough to make that decision for herself but b) is too young to understand why mommy would want her to leave the room during the pledge, so we let it go. She has a god that we don't believe in crammed down her throat every day, to the point that she does believe. I figure she also believes in Santa and the Easter Bunny, so one more fairy tale can't hurt to much. Isn't that enough??
 
2007-12-09 01:14:15 PM  
I'm a useless, insignificant person who will never amount to anything. In order to feel good about myself, I'm going to go on a crusade to wipe out long-standing traditions that I really don't care for (like sending "Christmas" cards and putting up a "Christmas" tree). If anyone questions my motives, I will openly mock them. I will then crawl back under my rock and pat myself on the back for being one of the only people smart enough to rise against this sea of (non-existant) opression.
 
2007-12-09 01:14:54 PM  
The Daily Mail is like a print version of Bill O'Reilly

what simpletons are reading this thing often enough to post submissions to fark ?
 
2007-12-09 01:16:13 PM  
I don't see any way that you could "hide" the fact that a kid is in your class, so not giving out a class list due to "data protection" issues is completely asinine. Hand out only their first names if you're so concerned but give me a break.
 
2007-12-09 01:16:28 PM  
sasbazooka: How on earth can Daily Mail intentionally mislead readers like that?

It's annoying isn't it? I think it's got the biggest circulation after the Sun (who, let's face it, aren't buying it for the headlines) and it makes stuff up on a daily basis. Clearly makes stuff up - if it doesn't contradict itself in its own article, a simple google will usually contradict whatever rubbish it's spouting. And yet people still buy it, and people still believe it.
 
2007-12-09 01:16:33 PM  
I am afraid my children would have no idea where Jesus was born, or even if he was at all. They might even tell you that you are talking about a book. If they know who he is. One of them calls him JEEBUS. But he is a little, um. Well. NM. Not the point.

WTF does it matter whether some kids in Briton know where Jeebus was born? Give the kids the names of their own classmates? Why don't they know their classmate's names by Christmas time? Geez. Pass out candycanes with ribbons on them.

You'll get over it.
 
2007-12-09 01:22:37 PM  
sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...
 
2007-12-09 01:24:01 PM  
I think the outrage is directed at the wrong thing. It's got nothing to do with taking Christmas out of schools. It has everything to do with that PC hippy bullshiat that says "you're all special snowflakes!" The same crap that makes it so that little leagues don't keep score because "you're ALL winners!"

/will keep score when my daughter joins sports whether they allow it or not
//farking pansies
 
2007-12-09 01:24:09 PM  
dbaggins: The Daily Mail is like a print version of Bill O'Reilly

what simpletons are reading this thing often enough to post submissions to fark ?


Well...since they seem to get greenlit with regularity, maybe someone looking to 1)start a flamewar of some kind or 2) pad their greenlight count.

/my $0.04 (adjusted for inflation)-when I was in school, it was just expected that you would give a little card and candy cane or whatever to everyone in the class. If you didn't like them, you just left a message in there like "Merry Christmas from oldsbone." Everyone was happy, and, most importantly (to a 7 year old at least), everyone got an equal amount of candy.
 
2007-12-09 01:25:06 PM  
cerberus9: sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...


actually, I'm agnostic. I just picked that one cause it pisses people off, but it's not as obviously antagonistic as Islam (metaphorically speaking). Thanks for making my point.
 
2007-12-09 01:26:33 PM  
WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

Mmmm, feel the holiday hate...

More holidays, more hatred...
 
2007-12-09 01:27:56 PM  
sneaky jesus: cerberus9: sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

actually, I'm agnostic. I just picked that one cause it pisses people off, but it's not as obviously antagonistic as Islam (metaphorically speaking). Thanks for making my point.


Thanks for making mine.
 
2007-12-09 01:39:13 PM  
cerberus9: sneaky jesus: cerberus9: sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

actually, I'm agnostic. I just picked that one cause it pisses people off, but it's not as obviously antagonistic as Islam (metaphorically speaking). Thanks for making my point.

Thanks for making mine.


OK, lets recap: my point is that Christians expect special treatment and recognition, with an utter distain for all other religions and believe systems to the point that it's even *rational* in their minds to marginalize major religions with millions of members, and that this behavior should be rooted out. Either accept other's religions in your face or take yours out of mine.

The point that cerberus9 is trying to make is that Christians do get pissed off by the idea that people of other faiths might think that their religions deserve equal air time, and that it is totally acceptable to be angry about it and expect everyone to just bow to the jeebus, therefore following suit to prove my point yet again.

Did I miss anything?
 
2007-12-09 01:41:23 PM  
ZAZ: In third grade we were made to write nice cards to each other on Valentine's Day. One card per person, recipient assigned. I knew the one I got, from a guy who didn't like me, was not sincere. My feelings would not have been hurt if I had received none. I was assigned a girl I liked and I didn't know what to write but luckily she missed school that day so I escaped without having to express emotion.


It's ok. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. Let it out. Let it all out. It's ok to cry. Let the memories wash over you...like warm air on a summer's eve. Do you hear the birds chirping? It the girl. She says it's ok.

*sigh*

Once upon a time, a girl I fancied told her friend she was going to send me a Valentine's card. I told her friend that I would only tear it up, so don't waste her time.
I said this whilst I was with my dude friends, chillin and talking smack, like. To this day I still wonder as to why I had to be such a coont saying what I did.

I still think about her every now and then, and reflect as to why as a 7 year old dude I was so stupid.
 
2007-12-09 01:43:07 PM  
sneaky jesus: cerberus9: sneaky jesus: cerberus9: sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

actually, I'm agnostic. I just picked that one cause it pisses people off, but it's not as obviously antagonistic as Islam (metaphorically speaking). Thanks for making my point.

Thanks for making mine.

OK, lets recap: my point is that Christians expect special treatment and recognition, with an utter distain for all other religions and believe systems to the point that it's even *rational* in their minds to marginalize major religions with millions of members, and that this behavior should be rooted out. Either accept other's religions in your face or take yours out of mine.

The point that cerberus9 is trying to make is that Christians do get pissed off by the idea that people of other faiths might think that their religions deserve equal air time, and that it is totally acceptable to be angry about it and expect everyone to just bow to the jeebus, therefore following suit to prove my point yet again.

Did I miss anything?


Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing.
 
2007-12-09 01:46:34 PM  
Sorry, but I was looking at the side-story with the school-girl pic of Billie Piper and Amy Winehouse.

I'd've hit 'em both. One at a time, or both together.
 
2007-12-09 01:46:42 PM  
cerberus9:

Did I miss anything?

Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing.


OK, do tell. I'd like to see you actually express somethings. so far from you we have:

/WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

/Thanks for making mine

/Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing


You're probably right, I did miss your point. You don't have one.
 
2007-12-09 01:57:46 PM  
sneaky jesus: cerberus9:

Did I miss anything?

Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing.

OK, do tell. I'd like to see you actually express somethings. so far from you we have:

/WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

/Thanks for making mine

/Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing

You're probably right, I did miss your point. You don't have one.


While I agree with your point, I think his point about you being in a fringe religion is about your comment:

actually, I'm agnostic. I just picked that one cause it pisses people off, but it's not as obviously antagonistic as Islam (metaphorically speaking). Thanks for making my point.

This could be interpreted that you picked "agnostic" to piss people off rather than the example of the winter solstice.

/unless I'm misinterpreting your point...
 
2007-12-09 02:02:01 PM  
sneaky jesus: cerberus9:

Did I miss anything?

Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing.

OK, do tell. I'd like to see you actually express somethings. so far from you we have:

/WAAAAAAAA, WAAAAAA... People don't recognize the fringe religion I use to make myself seem more interesting...

/Thanks for making mine

/Yes. Most of it. But thanks for playing

You're probably right, I did miss your point. You don't have one.


I do actually. Here's a hint: it has little do do with religion and everything to do with people with a persecution complex.

I know of very few Christians who attach any religious significance to sending Christmas cards or putting up Christmas tree. It's the non-Christians who seem to think that these are deeply religous gestures meant only to exclude them.
 
2007-12-09 02:03:49 PM  
Every year the elementary school my son attends has a debate about what used to be Grandparents' Day but is now called "Senior Friends' Day". The teachers of the younger students don't like dealing with all the kids who break down and cry 'cause they don't HAVE grandparents who can or will come (dead or too far away).

I say Life sucks and is unfair and the sooner you realize that--and 5 years old is NOT too young--the more well-adjusted and prepared you will be to face the Real World some day. So suck it up, kiddies.
 
2007-12-09 02:07:38 PM  
sasbazooka: How on earth can Daily Mail intentionally mislead readers like that?

Welcome to the right wing press.
 
2007-12-09 02:07:55 PM  
Here's another example (probably a poor one).

I view Halloween as having it's roots in pagan rituals. I am not a pagan. However, I would be very offended if any of what I consider to be long standing Halloween traditions were stopped because they were regarded as exclusionary. Just because it has no deep significance to me does't mean that it should be stopped. It also doesn't mean that my beliefs need to be represented.
 
2007-12-09 02:07:57 PM  
It really doesn't matter which religion is "picked" or not in this instance. My religious hx? I am a born Jew raised a Catholic who got "saved" when I was 14, realized it was a sham when I was 19, started studying world religions and have a soft spot for Paganism (based on historical and romantic reasons) and Buddhism (based on their current practices, not their dogma.) I tried to get a hold on Sufism, but it is way too much for me to handle. My partner is a Greek Mythology buff, so I've got that going for me. I do know that they are all mostly the same, with some details changing along the way. Agnostic, Pagan, Jewish, Festivusivian, etc, it does not matter. Whichever pisses people off the most makes my point the best. That point being that Christians get pissed off when others want them to play fair.

I should know, I was one. And I had it bad.
 
2007-12-09 02:08:32 PM  
sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

I went to elementary (primary) school in England, so I got a kick out of this reply. We celebrated Eid, Diwali, Christmas, and Chinese New Year. No Jewish holidays (I don't recall any Jewish kids) but we learned about Old Testament figures like Moses and King David. A good time was had by all and we learned about each other's traditions. None of the religions were presented as more or less true than the others.

Of course, if it was America some fundie tool would whine about the non-Christian stuff or some smarmy atheist asshat would have sued to get Jedi religion on the curriculum and we'd likely have missed out on all the fun.
 
2007-12-09 02:09:32 PM  
And for what it's worth, I'm not a Christian. (I would consider myself agnostic).
 
2007-12-09 02:09:50 PM  
cerberus9: I view Halloween as having it's roots in pagan rituals. I am not a pagan. However, I would be very offended if any of what I consider to be long standing Halloween traditions were stopped because they were regarded as exclusionary. Just because it has no deep significance to me does't mean that it should be stopped. It also doesn't mean that my beliefs need to be represented.

This reminds me of the classic The King of the Hill episode "Hilloween".
 
2007-12-09 02:09:55 PM  
GoldSpider: What would FARK be like without the Daily Fail?

We could always go back to Ananova for the same amount of accurate and real news.
 
2007-12-09 02:12:23 PM  
sneaky jesus: You're probably right, I did miss your point. You don't have one.

Under the form-fitting cap?
 
2007-12-09 02:15:07 PM  
cerberus9: I do actually. Here's a hint: it has little do do with religion and everything to do with people with a persecution complex.

I know of very few Christians who attach any religious significance to sending Christmas cards or putting up Christmas tree. It's the non-Christians who seem to think that these are deeply religous gestures meant only to exclude them.


OK, then why is it a big deal to level the playing field? and why do all my Christian friends/relatives send me chain emails about the "reason for the season" and how to protest your local "fringe religions" (the word *fringe* really cracks me up... millions of followers, but it's fringe cause you don't like it.) as they try to move in on "our holiday." Geez.

I put up a tree every year, with lots of lights and prettily wrapped gifts for all my friends and family, and I try to reflect on what the symbols mean to all religions, though I don't beat myself up about it if I forget. Plus, your Christmas tree is from one of those *fringe* religions.

If the Christians you know don't attach any significance to the season's symbols, then they probably would agree with me entirely. If it's really not a big deal, you won't mind keeping it to yourselves or sharing the calendar with the rest of us.
 
2007-12-09 02:15:49 PM  
shadowself: form-fitting cap

Actually, it's more concave than pointed.
 
2007-12-09 02:18:07 PM  
Captain Darling: sneaky jesus: I would have no problem with public schools allowing the celebration of Christian holidays if the other parents would have no problem with the celebration of other religious holidays: i wonder what would happen if I sent my 6 yr old to school with Yule cards and expected the class to observed the winter solstice?

I went to elementary (primary) school in England, so I got a kick out of this reply. We celebrated Eid, Diwali, Christmas, and Chinese New Year. No Jewish holidays (I don't recall any Jewish kids) but we learned about Old Testament figures like Moses and King David. A good time was had by all and we learned about each other's traditions. None of the religions were presented as more or less true than the others.

Of course, if it was America some fundie tool would whine about the non-Christian stuff or some smarmy atheist asshat would have sued to get Jedi religion on the curriculum and we'd likely have missed out on all the fun.



That's what I'm talkin' about! My mom would have yanked me out of there IMMEDIATELY, but I would have loved it, and I would send my kid there in a MINUTE.
 
2007-12-09 02:25:07 PM  
"The cost of so many cards is prohibitive for some families and we feel that children are often pressurised to act in the same way as their peers."

So they give cards outside of school instead, when they're seeing their bestist friends. I don't see any problem in this. So the richer kids who're probably getting a Wii for christmas (and therefore have a lot of friends) won't make the poor kid who's only getting a lump of coal and no cards for christmas feel bad.
 
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