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(Some HD Guy)   Business Week: Blu-Ray is winning the HD wars, and Warner expected to put the final nail in HD-DVD's coffin   (tvpredictions.com) divider line 45
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2007-12-07 02:43:30 PM  
You know who's really winning the HD wars?

REGULAR DVDS!

Stop trying to push a format on people that don't want or need it!
 
2007-12-07 04:05:32 PM  
I guess we're going to have one of these articles ever week, eh? :)
 
2007-12-07 04:09:03 PM  
Etchy333: Stop trying to push a format on people that don't want or need it!

If I'd been born 15 years earlier, I would've been one of those guys who didn't understand why people stuck to VHS instead of watching stuff on laserdisc. It was clearly better to people that spent the $ on the rest of the stuff you need to notice the difference... and nobody did.

HD-DVD will go away, and Blu-ray will go away in around 5 years, when some single better format emerges.

/fears a world where the media is controlled by Sony
//rootkits for EVERYBODY
 
2007-12-07 04:26:54 PM  
ThatGuyGreg: /fears a world where the media is controlled by Sony

So you have nothing to fear if Blue-Ray wins.

Wiki isn't the best source but I have to pee and it is the first I found :-)

Blu-ray Disc was started by Hitachi, LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Thomson in February 19, 2002

Link (new window)
 
2007-12-07 04:42:47 PM  
I think we'll have to see what impact the low-priced HD-DVD player sales over the holidays have on the situation before the format war can declare a winner.

And I know that Netflix has been renting more hd-dvd movies than blu-ray movies.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1036
 
2007-12-07 05:18:22 PM  
Ryan2065: So you have nothing to fear if Blue-Ray wins

I knew something was wrong as I was typing this...

I just now found it.
 
2007-12-07 05:33:47 PM  
Blues_X: I think we'll have to see what impact the low-priced HD-DVD player sales over the holidays have on the situation before the format war can declare a winner.

And, I think the first one that can make a player and burner for the computer that doesn't cost $1000 will score major points.

/hope it's blu-ray for that
 
2007-12-07 06:34:55 PM  
Optical discs are so 2001.
 
2007-12-07 06:36:30 PM  
Just freakin pick one. It doesn't matter. Potatos, patatos, lets call the whole thing off. Ooh shiny discs!
 
2007-12-07 06:44:39 PM  
I heard America was winning the HD wars...

/What are we talking about again?
 
2007-12-07 06:54:25 PM  
Etchy333: You know who's really winning the HD wars?

REGULAR DVDS!

Stop trying to push a format on people that don't want or need it!


I'm waiting for crystal storage!
 
2007-12-07 06:56:10 PM  
I have both formats, so neenerneenerneener...

But seriously, folks...Both formats look farking spectacular on a big fancy TV.
 
2007-12-07 07:00:24 PM  
inglixthemad: Etchy333: You know who's really winning the HD wars?

REGULAR DVDS!

Stop trying to push a format on people that don't want or need it!

I'm waiting for crystal storage!


I've always imaged a step where you plug a small transparent cube into a system, either for computer data storage or videoplayback. something small, maybe 1in x 1in x 1in
You know, something convinient to drop and step on, or for the dog to chew on or your children to choke on. Imaging calling 911 to report your child or dog had swallowed your pornography.
 
2007-12-07 07:01:16 PM  
I have an HD-DVD hooked add-on to the xbox and you can tell the difference.

Sales at this point won't determine who wins. As someone pointed out

DVD 99%
Blu-ray 0.6%
HD-DVD 0.4%

If they can get Warner on board and have a 70% exclusive, then ya, I'd say game over.

/Think I'll sell the HD_DVD before that happens.
//Hope Serenity is on Blu-Ray
///It'll all be HD downloads in 5 years anyways
 
2007-12-07 07:05:01 PM  
Also no need for HD or Blue Rays if you haven bought a new TV is 10 years.
 
2007-12-07 07:17:24 PM  
Will someone please, again, post the pie chart of how insignificant HDDVD/BLURAY is compared to DVD.
 
2007-12-07 07:19:08 PM  
i like HD-DVD just because its the underdog.

/really and truly.
 
2007-12-07 07:37:26 PM  
I really want Blu-Ray to win. Not just because I got a PLaystation 3.

I work in television, and the writers and disks for both are just way too expensive. If Blu-Ray wins, the prices will drastically drop, and I can store entire episodes of shows, cuts, handles, graphics, sounds, and maybe even clips on a single disk, which is easier to store and handle than drives. I can also send multiple HD shows to clients on disk rather than sending drives which are costly and have a habit of not being returned. And for those that say drives are cheap, tell me that when you need 2.5 TB a series of removable RAID (or similar) storage and want to keep them separated for future use.
 
2007-12-07 07:45:15 PM  
My take on why blu-ray is winning is because of the name of the product.

First off HD-DVD doesnt roll off your tongue as nicely as Blu-ray and secondly when people think of HD-DVD they dont really think of it as an upgrade from regular dvd.

Blu-ray on the other hand people think, Wow, this is totally different than a regular dvd, its a blu-ray disc so it must be better.
 
2007-12-07 07:46:50 PM  
What would be so bad about a business plan involving pre-recorded, hi-def, flash memory? At 8 gigs a pop or so per card, could read speeds be optimized to surpass an optical reader's? The playback hardware should be pretty rugged, too, meaning reliable.

theurge14: Optical discs are so 2001.
 
2007-12-07 08:02:57 PM  
Etchy333: You know who's really winning the HD wars?

REGULAR DVDS!

Stop trying to push a format on people that don't want or need it!


Wipe your mouth.

I've heard this hundreds of times, and I have to remind people each time that DVD didn't catch on in its first year either. If you want to be a real douche about it, you could also ignore the fact that digital distribution (the format everyone says will replace HD anyway) was already available by the time DVD did catch on. Broadband, the ideal medium for digital content, was exploding by that time too.

If you can't pony up the cash to capitalize on the HD experience, then you're missing the point. Under those circumstances, giving your opinion anyway just makes you look like a loudmouthed troll.
 
2007-12-07 08:26:49 PM  
people like having physical copies of things; especially movies. there's no point in downloading a film one day and then BAM - MASSIVE HARD DRIVE FAILURE. whoops!
 
2007-12-07 09:26:28 PM  
Wouldn't an easier solution be for studios to make dual discs with both formats like they do on some HD-DVD / DVD titles?
 
2007-12-07 09:57:20 PM  
You can buy one of those fancy players that plays both formats...and it costs more than buying each player seperately. What a bargain!
 
2007-12-07 09:59:48 PM  
uptonogood: people like having physical copies of things; especially movies. there's no point in downloading a film one day and then BAM - MASSIVE HARD DRIVE FAILURE. whoops!


That's why you back up your data onto DVD, or better yet something with a larger storage space.

oh, wait a sec...
 
2007-12-07 10:55:50 PM  
Embden.Meyerhof: uptonogood: people like having physical copies of things; especially movies. there's no point in downloading a film one day and then BAM - MASSIVE HARD DRIVE FAILURE. whoops!


That's why you back up your data onto DVD, or better yet something with a larger storage space.

oh, wait a sec...


win.
 
2007-12-07 11:21:41 PM  
Etchy333: And, I think the first one that can make a player and burner for the computer that doesn't cost $1000 will score major points.

/hope it's blu-ray for that



It's already out. The 2x Blu-ray re-writable burner/player by Liteon sells for about $500 Canadian, was actually just looking at it online today.
 
2007-12-07 11:44:41 PM  
I don't care who wins the format war... I just wish they'd get it over with. I just bought a monster plasma TV and I want my hi-def movies!!!

/and a hi-def burner
 
2007-12-08 12:06:42 AM  
I'm keeping my movies on my hard drive, all backed up on my external, so I have no need for any of these discs, biatches!!!

/Yes, I know. One format and it's gone. Shut up.
 
2007-12-08 12:07:58 AM  
T.rex: i like HD-DVD just because its the underdog.

/really and truly.


same
 
2007-12-08 12:17:33 AM  
Yeah, that was me with the 99/0.6/0.4 percentage call.

/I love Sony
//Have house full of Sony electronics
///Don't own PS2 or PS3
////Just bought the $129 Amazon HD-DVD for the 360
 
2007-12-08 12:27:32 AM  
Just saw a Blu-Ray SIngle Layer writer for sale at $465 with a blank (SL) disc (25GB) at $20. That's $0.80 a GB.

I'm waiting for the dual layer writers to get 50GB for storage.

The problem is backup speed. Yes LTO3 drives are faster per gig but the drives are costly but they can hold 400GB (800GB compressed) and can pump data at 80MB/s (288MB/h) and pump 160MB/s compressed.

Compare that with the slow write speeds you'll get with BR-DL and unless your time is free, is not a viable, scalable data backup option unless you're talking about small quantities.

I rip my DVDs to a NAS and stream them -- no more media to handle and fast seek times. BR will make ripping an interesting effort due to the size.
 
2007-12-08 12:30:43 AM  
I don't doubt for a second that the hi-def stuff is prettier to look at. But I got a good DVD player, an analog TV that works nice, most of the movies I like were made before 2000, and my main hobbies don't involve TV. I can't imagine spending the money to completely replace my setup. Besides, I figure movies on flash memory or downloadable HD movies are only a few years away and HD-DVDs and BluRays will be obsolete. I've never been a bleeding-edge person and I'm thinking of sitting out this round of upgrades.
 
2007-12-08 01:32:48 AM  
I Like Bread:
I've heard this hundreds of times, and I have to remind people each time that DVD didn't catch on in its first year either.

Yup. It didn't catch on in its first year despite the fact that it had many advantages over VHS. No rewinding, faster seeking, better picture and sound quality, special features, and you didn't have to worry about adjusting the tracking. And despite all of those advantages, DVD sales didn't surpass vhs sales until 2002. I wonder how long it will take for people to switch from DVD to Blu-ray or HD DVD in order to get a slightly better image and sound quality on a higher capacity disc?

If you want to be a real douche about it, you could also ignore the fact that digital distribution (the format everyone says will replace HD anyway) was already available by the time DVD did catch on. Broadband, the ideal medium for digital content, was exploding by that time too.

Only 10% of Americans had broadband internet access in 2002. Even today it's only around 40-50%.

If you can't pony up the cash to capitalize on the HD experience, then you're missing the point. Under those circumstances, giving your opinion anyway just makes you look like a loudmouthed troll.

Hahahhaha. The "HD experience." If anything, YOU'RE the one who's trolling.

It's not that people can't afford a new player, it's that the "HD experience" as you call it, isn't really much better than the non HD experience. Of course, if you really want to enjoy the HD experience you're going to need some awesome cables.

Much more expensive while only slightly better? Loaded with even more intrusive DRM? Sign me up!
 
2007-12-08 01:42:41 AM  
Ryan2065: Blu-ray Disc was started by Hitachi, LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Thomson in February 19, 2002

Ouch... I like Pioneer for their unflagging support for LaserDiscoontil the bitter end, but I like HD-DVD for not being a Sony-supported format, which, between MiniDisc, ATRAC, Memory Stick *, CD rootkits, etc... well...

/ You get the picture
// I hope
/// But then, I like Sony hardware, with a 21" FD Trini monitor and a receiver in my possession
//// Decisions, decisions
 
2007-12-08 01:44:59 AM  
if i remember correctly....it was warner who was the major push behind DVD in the first place. they backed it.

...and they also backed those silly carboard cases too.


anyway...i hope they both fail.
i dont wanna have to buy two players just to get the movies in HD.
 
2007-12-08 03:33:42 AM  
Sony is evil. I would rather do without high definition discs than give them a cent of my money.
 
2007-12-08 06:45:10 AM  
atheist1295 2007-12-07 06:56:10 PM
I have both formats, so neenerneenerneener...

But seriously, folks...Both formats look farking spectacular on a big fancy TV.


That is why both HD formats are doomed. Regular jack-offs don't have big fancy tvs and most likely never will.

A 32 inch widescreen 720p tv is probably the best selling hd tv right now. While I am sure hd dvd's would look better even on that setup, is it really going to be enough to justify rebuying your movie collection?
 
2007-12-08 08:18:52 AM  
RaverRevolution: My take on why blu-ray is winning is because of the name of the product.

First off HD-DVD doesnt roll off your tongue as nicely as Blu-ray and secondly when people think of HD-DVD they dont really think of it as an upgrade from regular dvd.





If that were true, then LaserDisc would've taken over the world.
 
2007-12-08 08:56:25 AM  
Goodfella: RaverRevolution: My take on why blu-ray is winning is because of the name of the product.

First off HD-DVD doesnt roll off your tongue as nicely as Blu-ray and secondly when people think of HD-DVD they dont really think of it as an upgrade from regular dvd.

Laserdisc was quite popular in other countries. In Japan, Laserdisc was huge for quite a while. In fact, I believe they kept making players till the late 1990s. DVD ultimately killed it off.

What hurt laserdisc and helped VHS win against betamax was the increased options VHS presented. You had better CE support, more recording options, and wide availability. LD was read only, had huge breakable discs, and was more expensive. Beta had paltry CE support, weak recording flexibility, and slightly higher costs.

If Sony would have realized that 1 hour is not enough recording time and that their licensing system was not very well though out, you'd have seen a seemingly endless fight. As is Beta hung in for years before Sony started making VCRs.



If that were true, then LaserDisc would've taken over the world.
 
2007-12-08 09:10:23 AM  
People always say "downloads will replace everything" but really you think Joe Six Pack will have the storage to download high-def movies? People aren't going to rush to upgrade their hard drives just to support a new format.

Considering each of the two major high-def formats have the support of a gaming console, it's not a huge risk to enjoy movies in 1080p right now.
 
2007-12-08 09:46:25 AM  
I love how the media make this into a case that people think they should actually give a shiat about.

DEAR MSM: NOBODY CARES!
 
2007-12-09 02:34:09 AM  
Goodfella: RaverRevolution: My take on why blu-ray is winning is because of the name of the product.

First off HD-DVD doesnt roll off your tongue as nicely as Blu-ray and secondly when people think of HD-DVD they dont really think of it as an upgrade from regular dvd.

If that were true, then LaserDisc would've taken over the world.


I have a vast LaserDisc library and about a dozen players in storage for when the current one bites the bullet, so I'm really getting a kick out of replies like this...


/really
//sadly

www.cyberroach.com

///my first love:
www.dia-licht-en-geluid.nl
 
2007-12-09 12:56:22 PM  
Doran - I'm keeping my movies on my hard drive, all backed up on my external, so I have no need for any of these discs, biatches!!!



..... and you transfered the movies to your pc from what 8 track???
 
2007-12-12 10:40:32 PM  
The fact that Sony isn't backing HDDVD is enough for me to support HDDVD.

/Fark Sony
 
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