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(PonderAbout)   "Gravitational Time Dilation" and the effect of gravity on time   (ponderabout.com ) divider line 98
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2007-12-07 07:44:46 AM  
Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.
 
2007-12-07 08:38:45 AM  
submitter: and the effect of gravity on time

And? More like "is", isn't it?

/Mr. Nothing-Useful-To-Add
 
2007-12-07 09:08:47 AM  
Is this why time goes slower when you're next to a fat chick at a party?

/kidding
//I don't get invited :)
 
2007-12-07 09:13:04 AM  
Bevets: Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.

Woah, an unexpected Bevets sighting! Care to point out a specific article of his that deals with gravitational time dilation? I can't be bothered to search your whole site for it....
 
2007-12-07 09:16:44 AM  
Didn't we cover this in a thread yesterday?

/how fast does a 100 foot pole need to be traveling to fit in an 80 foot barn?
//no math on fark, etc...
 
2007-12-07 09:20:48 AM  
i feel dumber for having watched Bevets' video.

"If the earth is at the center of the universe..."
 
2007-12-07 09:22:24 AM  
lindasummer69:
/how fast does a 100 foot pole need to be traveling to fit in an 80 foot barn?


Slow enough for a team to build a 20 foot extension to the barn.
 
2007-12-07 09:23:14 AM  
Grither: Woah, an unexpected Bevets sighting! Care to point out a specific article of his that deals with gravitational time dilation? I can't be bothered to search your whole site for it....

I think Bevets is trying to improve his credibility by diversifying. Unfortunately everything still has the same taint on it so it's not actually going to help, but at least he tries... the extra effort makes him the most endeared troll on FARK.
=Smidge=
 
2007-12-07 09:32:13 AM  
Bad explanation.

You age faster on the moon than you do on Jupiter? No one understands gravity. Not yet at least.
 
2007-12-07 09:35:29 AM  
thedarkshadow: Bad explanation.

You age faster on the moon than you do on Jupiter? No one understands gravity. Not yet at least.

I
understand gravity. But I can't be bothered to explain it to anyone, as it involves too many banana splits and orangutans which are hard to draw in ascii.
 
2007-12-07 09:41:21 AM  
chard: "If the earth is at the center of the universe..."

Heliocentrism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep God out of their brainwaves
 
2007-12-07 09:49:11 AM  
I wouldn't trust his math....


content.answers.com


It's all just show boating algebra
 
2007-12-07 09:58:18 AM  
Raug the Dwarf: I wouldn't trust his math....

It's all just show boating algebra


I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz! A Globe Trotter always saves the real math for the final minutes.
 
2007-12-07 10:04:49 AM  
Comon people, kindergardners in German do this stuff in thier heads.

An object freely falling under gravity is simply following the unique geodesic path it lies on in the curved spacetime manifold.
 
2007-12-07 10:19:20 AM  
thedarkshadow: Bad explanation.

You age faster on the moon than you do on Jupiter? No one understands gravity. Not yet at least.


Maybe that explains Buzz Aldrin.


/unless it doesn't
 
2007-12-07 10:29:33 AM  
Smidge204: the extra effort makes him the most endeared troll on FARK.

I miss the glory days of Bevets/Weaver vs. Everyone else religious flame wars...
 
2007-12-07 11:06:46 AM  
Bevets: Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.

Seriously, man. "Earth at the center of the Universe". I mean come on.
 
2007-12-07 11:09:59 AM  
Does gravity cause time distortion, or does time distortion cause gravity?
 
2007-12-07 11:15:16 AM  
Grither: Bevets: Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.

Woah, an unexpected Bevets sighting! Care to point out a specific article of his that deals with gravitational time dilation? I can't be bothered to search your whole site for it....


Long story short: Earth is at the center of the universe and is several thousand years old; the outer edge of the expanding universe is several billion years old; everything in between is, well, in between. Earth is younger due to time dilation.

Bunk stuff, but sometimes it's fun to read the kinds of theories people come up with to write science fiction novels/games. . . . What's that? Humphreys thinks this actually happened? Oh, dear.
 
2007-12-07 11:20:20 AM  
BarryJV: Does gravity cause time distortion, or does time distortion cause gravity?

Mass causes warping of spacetime, This warping we commonly know as gravity. The warping of spacetime also causes time dilation.
 
2007-12-07 11:28:49 AM  
Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.

blahpers

Long story short: Earth is at the center of the universe and is several thousand years old; the outer edge of the expanding universe is several billion years old; everything in between is, well, in between. Earth is younger due to time dilation.

Bunk stuff, but sometimes it's fun to read the kinds of theories people come up with to write science fiction novels/games. . . . What's that? Humphreys thinks this actually happened? Oh, dear.


Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?
 
2007-12-07 11:29:14 AM  
Biblical innerancy is the tinfoil hat fundamentards wear to keep science out of their brainwaves.
 
2007-12-07 11:31:35 AM  
Bevets: Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?

Why do you doubt the Koran? Why do you doubt the Baghavad Gita? &c.,...
 
2007-12-07 11:32:47 AM  
Bevets:
Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?


Maybe because the bible was written by men, not God, so we can't really doubt the word of God, since none exist.
 
2007-12-07 11:36:37 AM  
bevets

Does it ever get old posting the same links on message boards to people who either don't care or are staunchly opposed?

I mean, do you put in all this leg work out of a devotion to the faith or do gain some personal satisfaction in it?

/motive is always more interesting than the acts.
 
2007-12-07 11:43:56 AM  
AwfulJackass: bevets

Does it ever get old posting the same links on message boards to people who either don't care or are staunchly opposed?

I mean, do you put in all this leg work out of a devotion to the faith or do gain some personal satisfaction in it?

/motive is always more interesting than the acts.


bevets is under the impression that constantly vomiting all over the fark boards will convince some people to become so skeptical of science as to adopt biblical innerancy. This is why people come to combat him: they know they can't change his mind, but they know they can stop his FAIL from spreading.
 
2007-12-07 11:45:21 AM  
Bevets: Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?

"Genesis 1.1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."--Some crappy Christian translation


Others translate this, 'In the beginning of God's creation of heaven and earth, the earth was without form and empty...' (Rashi). Still others combine the first three verses: 'In the beginning of God's creation....when the earth was without form and empty....God said, 'Let there be light.' (Bereshiath Rabbah).

That's a much different meaning, implying that this was not the beginning of TIME, just of the creation of the heavens and earth. The heavens bit may be shaky too.

Just pointing out that quoting a Christian bible is pretty useless for the OT. I'll go with the various translations for Jews.
 
2007-12-07 11:48:13 AM  
blahpers Quote 2007-12-07 11:15:16 AM
Grither: Bevets: Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.

Woah, an unexpected Bevets sighting! Care to point out a specific article of his that deals with gravitational time dilation? I can't be bothered to search your whole site for it....

Long story short: Earth is at the center of the universe and is several thousand years old; the outer edge of the expanding universe is several billion years old; everything in between is, well, in between. Earth is younger due to time dilation.

Bunk stuff, but sometimes it's fun to read the kinds of theories people come up with to write science fiction novels/games. . . . What's that? Humphreys thinks this actually happened? Oh, dear.


I'm going to assume you mean "bunk" as is "bullshiat" not as in "I'll be in my bunk."
 
2007-12-07 11:51:37 AM  
adulescentulus carnifex:
bevets is under the impression that constantly vomiting all over the fark boards will convince some people to become so skeptical of science as to adopt biblical innerancy. This is why people come to combat him: they know they can't change his mind, but they know they can stop his FAIL from spreading.

But- I mean- it's an internet message board. It is certainly not the best forum to learn about personal spirituality or science for that matter. If I believed everything I read in Fark threads I'd probably be dead in a dumpster somewhere.
 
2007-12-07 11:55:23 AM  
Bevets: Russell Humphreys has made some interesting observations regarding GTD.

blahpers

Long story short: Earth is at the center of the universe and is several thousand years old; the outer edge of the expanding universe is several billion years old; everything in between is, well, in between. Earth is younger due to time dilation.

Bunk stuff, but sometimes it's fun to read the kinds of theories people come up with to write science fiction novels/games. . . . What's that? Humphreys thinks this actually happened? Oh, dear.

Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?


thanks for the links bevets
 
2007-12-07 12:00:46 PM  
Okay, this is just sad.

Yesterday there was a great thread about relativity spawned from the article on interstellar distances.

This thread has been insta-tainted, not by Bevets alone, but with the help of troll feeders who engaged him in the same old tired religious argument.

/knows that I too am feeding the troll at this point
//doesn't care, this thread is beyond salvation
 
2007-12-07 12:03:37 PM  
Bevets:
Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?


I have a book that God inspired me to write last week, and it says that your book is false. And I know it's true because the book says it's true, so there, blasphemer.
 
2007-12-07 12:09:43 PM  
I am in geosynchronous orbit standing on the ground....
 
2007-12-07 12:11:20 PM  
thedarkshadow: No one understands gravity. Not yet at least.

Maybe not, but img220.imageshack.us is a good start and is close enough for most purposes.

/Science. It works, biatches.
 
2007-12-07 12:16:36 PM  
Fraggler: Okay, this is just sad.

Yesterday there was a great thread about relativity spawned from the article on interstellar distances.

This thread has been insta-tainted, not by Bevets alone, but with the help of troll feeders who engaged him in the same old tired religious argument.

/knows that I too am feeding the troll at this point
//doesn't care, this thread is beyond salvation


By great you mean there were humorous pictures of Jean-Luc Picard, about 2 or 3 meaningful posts and a bunch of snarky comments about each others insufficiently snarky comments, right?
 
2007-12-07 12:19:27 PM  
blahpers: Grither:
Long story short: Earth is at the center of the universe and is several thousand years old; the outer edge of the expanding universe is several billion years old; everything in between is, well, in between. Earth is younger due to time dilation.

Bunk stuff, but sometimes it's fun to read the kinds of theories people come up with to write science fiction novels/games. . . . What's that? Humphreys thinks this actually happened? Oh, dear.


True, its good thought candy, and it dosent model reality BUT.....

(I gotta side with the bevets on an issue....)

You really COULD say that earth IS at the center of the universe. You could say that ANY point is the center.

But I do give the tard props for trying.
 
2007-12-07 12:23:32 PM  
colon_pow: thanks for the links bevets

Sorry, I was changing the batteries in my sarcasm detector. Were you serious?
 
2007-12-07 12:24:21 PM  
JPJ007: But the thing is we don't really understand what causes attraction at a distance completely. One though is the time dilation itself is causing the attraction, but its only a theory (I read a long explanation of this a while back but I didn't understand it).
 
2007-12-07 12:25:02 PM  
adulescentulus carnifex: By great you mean there were humorous pictures of Jean-Luc Picard, about 2 or 3 meaningful posts and a bunch of snarky comments about each others insufficiently snarky comments, right?

This thread had no JLP pics (though it could've used some) and there were a lot of reasonable posts that made for an interesting discussion of humanity's future in the universe. Some things got heated, but most of it was about FTL travel, not religion.
 
2007-12-07 12:25:08 PM  
Here is a better explanation of time dilation and gravitational lensing, which are similar concepts based on the same principles
 
2007-12-07 12:25:19 PM  
9.8 m/sec 2
 
2007-12-07 12:26:49 PM  
nosajghoul: (I gotta side with the bevets on an issue....)

You really COULD say that earth IS at the center of the universe. You could say that ANY point is the center.

But I do give the tard props for trying.


I'm pretty sure that the accepted position is that there is no center. To say that all reference frames are equally valid doesn't really mean that all of them can be considered the center. However, this is probably just a case of you say po-tay-toe and I say po-tah-toe.

What I really wanted say is please don't give the tard props for trying. He's trying to push an untenable philosophical/spiritual/intellectual position (biblical innerancy) on unsuspecting people with out-of-context quotes and junk "science." Fark him.
 
2007-12-07 12:35:04 PM  
oh who cares?

There doesn't seem to be anything in religion or science that can permanently cure halitosis or let me use The Force.

So what good is any of that junk?
 
2007-12-07 12:41:16 PM  
AwfulJackass: permanently cure halitosis

dieing will.

let me use The Force.

dieing may -- ask bevets.
 
2007-12-07 12:42:34 PM  
AwfulJackass: oh who cares?

There doesn't seem to be anything in religion or science that can permanently cure halitosis or let me use The Force.

So what good is any of that junk?


Uhm, without science you don't have intartubes.

Without intartubes, you don't have fark.

Without fark, you don't have a place to post lolcats, make fun of creationists, inappropriately ask for BIE, learn that there is no hate like liberal hate or that Jesus rode and/or was a veloceraptor, see the same gold spray paint covered mug PSed onto anything and everything, watch czar v tats Israel clusterfarks debates, or rant about how lightsabers are way cooler than He-man's sword.

Science: just get over it.
 
2007-12-07 12:44:13 PM  
adulescentulus carnifex: What I really wanted say is please don't give the tard props for trying. He's trying to push an untenable philosophical/spiritual/intellectual position (biblical innerancy) on unsuspecting people with out-of-context quotes and junk "science." Fark him.

Oh I agree, hes wrong in deep and disturbing ways, but it is nice to see him grasping for science (however slightly) instead of peddling his usual comic routine.
 
2007-12-07 12:44:22 PM  
Bevets: Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?

Because it gets massive scientific and mathematical details completely wrong. I'm not even talking about evolution. From the Bible's description of the creation of the world and the physical changes that have occurred to it since then to the nature, size, and distance of stars and other heavenly bodies, to the very value of pi, the conclusions you can draw from an absolutely literal interpretation of the Bible go completely against virtually everything we know about geology, geography, astronomy, physics, and mathematics.

Of course, the slightest bit of flexibility and understanding of concepts like "allegories" keep the Bible intact as a valuable religious text that can remain consistent with what we know about the world today, but I don't think you're that interested in such an approach.
 
2007-12-07 12:46:57 PM  
adulescentulus carnifex:

Uhm, without science you don't have intartubes.

Without intartubes, you don't have fark.

Without fark, you don't have a place to post lolcats, make fun of creationists, inappropriately ask for BIE, learn that there is no hate like liberal hate or that Jesus rode and/or was a veloceraptor, see the same gold spray paint covered mug PSed onto anything and everything, watch czar v tats Israel clusterfarks debates, or rant about how lightsabers are way cooler than He-man's sword.

Science: just get over it.



You have convinced me sir! long live science!

/I'd like to see the bible invent the intertubes. although, i sort of bet bevets has a link for that one too.
 
2007-12-07 12:49:11 PM  
Bevets: Why would anyone doubt the Word of God?

Because the wrath of an absent god isnt something to fear.

Your quote in romans speaks of "men who suppress the truth". I wonder, dose someone who spouts erroneous claims about his gods universe qualify?
 
2007-12-07 12:50:01 PM  
Macular Degenerate: Here is a better explanation of time dilation and gravitational lensing, which are similar concepts based on the same principles

I posted this in the other thread Fraggler alluded to:

Physics 10 - Physics for Future Presidents (new window)

This is an online course on physics that is pretty accessible to most people (by president he means President of a company as well as president of country). Any math is either not required to understand the concepts or is worked out on the board.

He goes over time dilation (as well as a host of other concepts) -- and for those that actually care, he actually works out Einstein's equations on the board in one of the later classes)
 
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