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2007-12-06 04:39:19 PM
Roman Fyseek: Kyoto.

Kyoto doesn't tell anyone to stop polluting. It tells them to find ways of stopping INCREASING their pollution output, and eventually reduce it.

Roman Fyseek: Nobody, yet.

Ah. You're just making stuff up. Ok.

Roman Fyseek: if you continue to push this Al Gore religion,

I haven't seen Al Gore's movie, so I can't say what his "religion" is other than he is a business man who wants to sell snake oil under the name "carbon-credits". But the fact that he's trying to make money off of global warming, does not mean that the whole thing is false.
 
2007-12-06 04:46:01 PM
RockIsDead: No free-speech hate like Liberal free-speech hate.

FreeSpeech(tm) Copyright 2002 Libtard Industries LLC All rights reserved. Used with permission. Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate.
 
2007-12-06 04:47:27 PM
The retardations are astounding.
 
2007-12-06 04:48:07 PM
Poopspasm: Funding can come from anywhere--it's really catch as catch can. However, when you're findings aren't subject to peer-review and your funding comes exclusively from a biased source, it begins to look as if you're being bought and sold. If the deniers published in peer-reviewed journals, the controversy would disappear.

Okay, what is the biased source that the funding comes exclusively from? That's right, you don't know and are just making shiat up just like the rest of the left to discredit a study in anyway possible.

The right is no better but at least the BS they come up with is a little less transparent.

Fark It: Wow, there's a lot of conservative bullshiat in this thread.

Yes, now run away or cover your ears and scream because someone is expressing an opinion that differs from what the left has told you to think.
 
2007-12-06 04:49:52 PM
Flab: It tells them to find ways of stopping INCREASING their pollution output, and eventually reduce it.

No. It tells their governments to find ways to reduce the people's pollution output. I didn't sign that farking thing. Whether a politician signs that thing or not, I didn't sign that farking thing.

I'm happy to say that *I* have reduced my consumption. *I* have reduced my mileage. *I* have purchased a more economical vehicle. I don't need a politician, especially a foreign politician, to force me to be green. *I* am doing just fine on my own.
 
2007-12-06 04:50:45 PM
TheMaskedUnit: The retardations are astounding.

You most assuredly are
retarded.
 
2007-12-06 04:52:52 PM
Flab: But the fact that he's trying to make money off of global warming, does not mean that the whole thing is false.

But it is! All your comrades said it. It's global "Climate Change!" Global warming is the *OLD* thing.

Do try to keep up.
 
2007-12-06 04:54:03 PM
It's not a cycle anymore
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2007-12-06 04:54:12 PM
Fark It: Wow, there's a lot of conservative bullshiat in this thread.

No. There's four of us. I believe the bullshiat you sense comes from elsewhere. But, there are a lot of church of global warmists here.
 
2007-12-06 04:57:34 PM
Patriotism: Roman Fyseek: Hey, while we're at it, what ever happened to that equal-time-in-the-media requirement? I really can't think of the name for it... It's that thing that says that if the right gets a half hour, the left must get a half hour.

It's called the Communist Revolution, and it fell flat on its ass.
You'll get over it. Have another toke.


I'm really disappointed that this exchange went nowhere. I was really looking forward to a lengthy Cranky-Libertarian-on-Ritalin vs. Rush-huffing-Dittohead flamewar.

Can't you guys pay closer attention?
 
2007-12-06 05:01:03 PM
redcup27: Okay, what is the biased source that the funding comes exclusively from? That's right, you don't know and are just making shiat up just like the rest of the left to discredit a study in anyway possible.

I haven't said that in relation to any study in particular (ever). I'm saying that the objection (in a general sense) tends to be along those lines. Also, your funding could be as clean as a lily white blanket of snow, but if you fail to put your science up for peer-review, I'm still going to question your results.

The right is no better but at least the BS they come up with is a little less transparent.

Yes, it takes an intellectual giant to see through such logical gems as "liberals hate America," and "Global Warming is religion."
 
2007-12-06 05:01:14 PM
Roman Fyseek: I didn't sign that farking thing. Whether a politician signs that thing or not, I didn't sign that farking thing.

That's the basis of democracy. You elect politicians to make decisions on your behalf. At least, this way, we have the illusion of having a say in what they sign. The downside, is that we sometimes have to live with decisions we don't like.

Roman Fyseek: All your comrades said it.

Again with the pidgeonholes! Sheesh!

/Gotta run. Train to catch. Smooches everyone.
 
2007-12-06 05:06:57 PM
I apologize for my last post: when I called Patriotism a "Rush-huffing-Dittohead", I was referring to amyl nitrate, a recreational drug that used to be sold in headshops under the brand name "Rush", and was remarkably destructive of brain cells. I realize now that this locution was far too obscure, and would seem redundant to anyone who didn't share this point of reference. Please substitute "Mouth-Breathing-Freeper" or "Knuckle-Dragging-Conservatard" in its place.

/TIA
 
2007-12-06 05:09:29 PM
Roman Fyseek: Fark It: Wow, there's a lot of conservative bullshiat in this thread.

No. There's four of us.


The fact that anyone can automatically affiliate themselves politically based on this issue is very sad.
/The scientists of the world shake their heads and go back to solving the worlds problems...
 
2007-12-06 05:09:39 PM
Flab: That's the basis of democracy.

Actually, that's the basis of a republic. Hey, there's that word!
 
2007-12-06 05:15:17 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: /The scientists of the world shake their heads and go back to solving the worlds problems...

When did they start that? Can you name a few problems they've solved that economics wouldn't have solved on its own with better results?

Don't get me wrong. I like DVDs but, it seems that it was funded by private research. I like radio but, again, it seems like it was funded by private organizations. In fact, I can't think of anything that the government has solved with or without scientists that wouldn't have been solved cheaper and more efficiently and effectively than private companies.

Oh, wait! Spaceship 1! Oh, nevermind...

Oh, and apparently, the left gets really upset at grammar issues. Democrat senator isn't a slam. It's poor grammar.

Anyway, your worlds should be world's.
 
2007-12-06 05:16:32 PM
Roman Fyseek

You're trying way too hard, buddy.
 
2007-12-06 05:20:00 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: way too hard,

Oh, hell no... I'm drunk, now. I'm working just to type.
 
2007-12-06 05:21:42 PM
Flab: The people who find the term "democrat senator" annoying do so on the basis that it's bad grammar.

/paste is easy
 
2007-12-06 05:22:19 PM
Roman Fyseek: Oh, hell no... I'm drunk, now. I'm working just to type.

Well, your panicked ranting is like watching a crack-head tackle the Ironman competition on his hands and knees.
 
2007-12-06 05:31:37 PM
I get so sick of people arguing about their dogma and beliefs and my scientists are better than your scientists and my research is better than your research and my scientific consensus is better than your scientific consensus....

Whether it is man-made or man-affected or not, the planet is getting warmer, and if most of us have our way (all Raptures aside), the human race will be here a long, long time: so plans are needed for managing and surviving both hot cycles and cold cycles.

Regardless of whether it's a natural cycle or part of my carbon footprint, something needs to be done to prevent half our historic cities and much of our population submerging.

Get off your soapboxes and get on with the solution!

/"Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein
//(Clap clap) Soapbox off!
 
2007-12-06 05:37:14 PM
Flab: thanks for the linkee. The guidelines seem pretty reasonable, so either the organization probably wasn't tall enough to ride the ride, simply put.

Alternatively, they could be excluded based on this clause:

"The Department of Public Information reserves the right to deny or withdraw accreditation of journalists from media organizations whose activities run counter to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations..."

It's certainly possible that their activities run counter to those principles.
 
2007-12-06 06:04:01 PM
Sum Dum Gai: mycatisposter
This is what we will hear from the current warmers when the natural cycle heads toward cooling again. Oops, it already has! Last three years have shown a cooling trend. Must be the actions of the humans.

Can you show me on the graph where this "cooling trend" is?


This is all nice and dandy, post all the charts you want. What about the charts based upon the Arctic ice cores they drilled up? The ones that show multiple massive warming cycles long before humans came into existence?
 
2007-12-06 06:09:11 PM
RandomFeature: Global Warming: The New Religion

No; Earth: The Old Religion.

Back when people were too ignorant to count to 20 yet still understood that the land was everything.
Today's consumer whore is so far removed from the land he thinks "hey, what the hell has the earth ever done for me? Besides, jesus gave it to me he said so".
 
2007-12-06 06:17:53 PM
Anyone post this one yet? 1958 film clip about Global Warming.
 
2007-12-06 06:56:04 PM
mycatisposter: Not MY work, but UCLA is hardly conservative"

reality has a left leaning bias.
 
2007-12-06 07:06:34 PM
rebelyell2006:

What about the charts based upon the Arctic ice cores they drilled up? The ones that show multiple massive warming cycles long before humans came into existence?

What about them? You do realize that the last ice age warming cycle ENDED 10,000 years ago, right?
 
2007-12-06 07:08:13 PM
TofuTheAlmighty
"The science, for all intents and purposes, is settled. Anthropogenic climate change is real."


Say...what flavor is that Kool-Aid?
 
2007-12-06 07:12:29 PM
spmkk: Say...what flavor is that Kool-Aid?

*shrugs*

Post something to the contrary that's accepted by the scientific community.

Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air.
 
2007-12-06 07:24:43 PM
Since all you enlightened liberals know for scientificly proven fact that man has caused global warming, and that man can stop the harm he has done to our fragile planet. I got some questions for you.

They should be very easy to answer since you know everything about global warming, along wiht past, current, and future, condition of the earth.

• What should the temperature of the earth be?

• If man made global warming did not exist what would be the standard rate for glacial and ice cap melting?

• How much extra time will humanity have before earth made global warming does the inevitable and melts the glaciers and ice caps anyways?



This is a great read.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2983816.ece
 
2007-12-06 07:50:30 PM
All I can say is that right now it's snowing, and will continue to snow all night according to the news. It's been about 10-30ish all week. In other words, not warm in the slightest.
 
2007-12-06 07:53:00 PM
Also, http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming_2.html
And so on in that fashion.
 
2007-12-06 07:55:29 PM
Darth Shatner: • What should the temperature of the earth be?

As a suggestion, how about the temperature that most of our agriculture is currently adapted to? That would allow us to continue to apply research on how to increase yields without having to deal with the issues that major climate change brings upon the system.
 
2007-12-06 07:58:17 PM
dung_beetle: Also, http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming_2.html
And so on in that fashion.


Pssh, that fashion is so 10 months ago. I like this fashion better.
 
2007-12-06 08:00:57 PM
dung_beetle: And so on in that fashion.

I'd lurk these threads more if I were you. I can't think of how many times the mars warming "argument" has been debunked...
 
2007-12-06 08:10:52 PM
Seeing as I don't have the data to argue effectively against it, I won't try, but realclimate.org sure seems like a name of a place that would pick and choose to get their point across. Not to mention all of the doomsday predictions for the past few years haven't come to fruition, nor can I go outside in shorts right now, nor can anyone else in the central US due to it being so cold and snowy.
 
2007-12-06 08:19:57 PM
Totalitaryan

AWESOME cartoon!
 
2007-12-06 08:20:36 PM
dung_beetle: realclimate.org sure seems like a name of a place that would pick and choose to get their point across.

Well, if we bring up Google Scholar and look at all the mars warming articles from this year, the ones that actually deal with the topic of its current warming have to do with a decrease in albedo due to increasing dust storms. Not sure how they're being picky. Also, the article was written by a guest writer, who is the director of astronomy and astrophysics at PSU.
 
2007-12-06 08:28:07 PM
trofl

As a suggestion, how about the temperature that most of our agriculture is currently adapted to?

What is that temperature?

That would allow us to continue to apply research on how to increase yields without having to deal with the issues that major climate change brings upon the system.

I agree man does need to do more research on plant yields. Thats very important when it comes to the human population increase over the next century. I am curious, do you think this should be another reason to raise taxes?

Really tho...what does plant yield research have to do with the scientificly proven fact that the earth is warmer than it is supposed to be.

What is the current temperature of the earth?

What should the current temperature of the earth be?

Can man actually cool down the temperature of the earth?

To say there is man made global warming and that we can stop it you have to have these answers.

I am sure there are a million websites dedicated to this factual information.

Also, how much time will man save humanity before global made global warming melt the glaciers and ice caps anyways?

It seams like science should have this answer too.

Anyone?
 
2007-12-06 08:48:44 PM
dung_beetle:

Seeing as I don't have the data to argue effectively against it, I won't try, but realclimate.org sure seems like a name of a place that would pick and choose to get their point across.

Fine, if you think they're selectively featuring only results which agree with their predilections, name one published climatology paper which suggests that Martian warming has something to do with Earth climate.

Not to mention all of the doomsday predictions for the past few years haven't come to fruition,

Go ahead, mention them. Name one "doomsday prediction" that was made a few years ago which was supposed to have come to fruition by now.

nor can I go outside in shorts right now, nor can anyone else in the central US due to it being so cold and snowy.

Um. Global warming doesn't mean that the season of winter will cease to exist.
 
2007-12-06 09:02:27 PM
Darth Shatner: What is the current temperature of the earth?

at 3300ft above sea level, the average for yesterday was 27.00F, which is 0,14F higher than last year at the same date.

Just for fun:
1998: 25,68
1999: 25,34
2000: 25,18
2001: no data
2002: 25,93
2003: 26,20
2004: 26,44
2005: 26,42
2006: 26,85
2007: 27,00
20y avg.: 25,39

Source. You can also get the temps for many other altitudes, and fancy colored graphs too here.

What should the current temperature of the earth be? There are many "good" answers to this question. Different eras have had different temperature cycles, but unless there was a massive volcanic eruption (e.g. Krakatoa, Pinatubo, etc...) or meteorite, the fauna and flora had time to adapt. Fir trees don't really like tropical weather, and likewise, orange trees don't fare too well below freezing.

Can man actually cool down the temperature of the earth?

I fail to see why you ask this question since no one is talking about trying to cool down the temperature of the earth. We are only talking about trying to reduce and maybe stop the effects of man-made pollution.

To say there is man made global warming and that we can stop it you have to have these answers.

You don't need to have the answer to hunger in the third world to be able to say it exists, or even to try and help reduce it.

I am sure there are a million websites dedicated to this factual information.

Indeed there are. In fact, there's also an international conference in Bali right now where they're discussing just that... You may have heard of it, apparently some fake reporters were denied access.

Also, how much time will man save humanity before global made global warming melt the glaciers and ice caps anyways?

"humanity" will survive the melting of the ice caps. But that doesn't mean we should sit idly and watch millions of Bengladeshis and Floridians drown.

It seams like science should have this answer too.

There are numerous models of various scenarios about it, but somehow I get the impression you wouldn't believe them.
 
2007-12-06 09:18:13 PM
Flab: Different eras have had different temperature cycles, but unless there was a massive volcanic eruption (e.g. Krakatoa, Pinatubo, etc...) or meteorite, the fauna and flora had time to adapt. Fir trees don't really like tropical weather, and likewise, orange trees don't fare too well below freezing.

This. And it's more than just changes in growing degree days/heat stress days that can cause ag problems. For example, without a cold and long enough winter here in Iowa, pests are more abundant.
 
2007-12-06 09:57:06 PM
UN press office coordinator Carrie Assheuer...


yep
Assheuer


that is all.

ps.
yes the globe is warming
yes we should not pollute
and one day, even idiots like you will know that the two are completely unrelated.

toodles.
 
2007-12-07 04:33:26 AM
Here is what you Global Warming alarmist do not understand. I completely agree with you, I completely agree that in 15 years we're all going to die from the damage to the environment. I don't give a fark. Let's die. We don't deserve this world, it has been your rhetoric that has caused me to see this. It doesn't matter, let's kill everyone on the planet that's the only answer. Hybrids, conservation, psssshaaw you're all insane, fark the environment up. It's the only answer!
 
2007-12-07 04:55:41 AM
Ambitwistor, for one there have been no rise at all in bad hurricanes. That's what the fear mongers have been preaching for a few years now, along with more severe storms and what not, and I haven't seen any of them.
 
2007-12-07 10:31:08 AM
dung_beetle:

Ambitwistor, for one there have been no rise at all in bad hurricanes.

It is impossible to tell, over the span of a few years, to tell whether there is a rising trend of "bad" hurricanes, or of anything else.
 
2007-12-07 12:33:12 PM
My favorite part of this thread is how the "conservatives" are bashing global warming by calling it a religion (e.g. the church of global warming). It's like they some how know intuitively that putting blind faith in something intangible is a bad thing, yet the majority of their continuants claim to be Christian.
 
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