You should see how long it takes someone to calculate the square root of 13 to 50 places, as compared to a computer.


/Computers make tasks faster.

But there was no onion tied to his belt.

The Loaf: You should see how long it takes someone to calculate the square root of 13 to 50 places, as compared to a computer.


/Computers make tasks faster.

Eggsactly.
Also, compare getting a random girl naked in real life versus a computer with the internet.

I could stand about 30 seconds of that before the "music" drove me off.

Cool idea, though. Would have been much better with some voice-over explaining what the draftsman was actually doing.

Fifty years ago? shiat, I was still working at the board twenty years ago. CAD was for firms with money.
/ M.E.

My dad was a draftsman for 40 years. He was (still is )a frickin wizard with a pencil and straight edge. It's almost creepy to see someone print perfectly, and perfectly level, freehand.

The video was a little misleading, because with a quality drafting board and calibrated arm, my dad could have done those plans in under an hour. He was also one of this first to learn CAD, and shortly thereafter wound up using his thousand-dollar drafting tables just to cut paper on.

Here's to my dad, and every other man who is a master of obsolete skills.

1. FTFV: "Fifty years ago.."
More like 20-25 for the unwashed masses. I learned drafting in 1983 and there was not one computer in the classroom. I had to draw lines on paper barefoot in the snow for..

2. The video should've been sped up a lot more.

3. Keeping your computer on "mute" has benefits.

4. Although I use CAD all day long I prefer old-school pencil as it has more 'warmth' and is a more illustrative medium. Sure you can push out more work with CAD, but it's a very sterile presentation.
Traditional drafting vs. CAD is what calligraphy is to type (or font).

/old CAD jockey
//Lawn, off.

takes that poor bastard fifteen whole minutes to make that object on a computer?

I can install gmax, build, texture, rescale and EXPORT that pissant in fifteen minutes.

EdTheHead: Fifty years ago? shiat, I was still working at the board twenty years ago. CAD was for firms with money.
/ M.E.

I still draft for fun, and autoCAD has been around as long as i have been.
Who drafts without using a t-square? you NEVER trust the paper edge to be square, but thats what this guy is doing.

Learned drafting in scenic design. Old fart instructor had us do perspective drawings - large projects would take many many hours and woe to the one who had his drawings moved if they left the room.

prjindigo: takes that poor bastard fifteen whole minutes to make that object on a computer?

I can install gmax, build, texture, rescale and EXPORT that pissant in fifteen minutes.

good for you super putz
/AutoCAD Certified
//Mechanical Desktop Certified
///Inventor Certified
////Can easily operate 3DMax
//Owns a drafting table + arms AND can do it manually (but why when I can use autocad
//GMAX & CADD drawings are completely different, but I guess you being such a smarty pants you'd know that, incase you don't, GMAX is for animations, autocad no so much

I had to take a drafting class in 2001. Most boring class I ever took.

/chemE

It may take less time to draft with CAD. However, that leaves us with the option to make 100 billion edits to something that would have been FINE 20 years ago. Also - hey, can you print 18 sets of that 36-drawing package please? Oh, and send 13 more sets to the region/city/conservation authority.

/Civil Engineer, municipal development.
//Some days hates CAD
///Glad to have it when designing 3D stuff.

15 minutes my ASS.

Must be a newbee to understate time effort like that.

this is why 'The Fountainhead' is so sad when I read it.

why the young will never understand what art was taken to tech.

why photographers will never be remembered in (.jpg)

sad is

the death of a simple art, and death to a trade.

replaced by cpu/mac and mothers with a cannon rebel.

I, too, was classicly trained as a draftsman in the 70s.
Architecture was my background, although the skills
served me well in civil engineering and, later, fire
protection. Was faster with ink on mylar than most were
with pencils.
This fella didn't even use a t-square or a level edge?
Heresy.

First CAD system I was exposed to was the Intergraph (loved the
macro routines), later followed by some cheesy Planix stuff and then, eventually, AutoCad.
Always hated AutoCad. Young hotshot challenged me to a race one
day on a sprinkler plan, him on SprinkCad, me by hand.
I smoked his ass by half an hour.

/Proud and old enough to say get off my perfectly-squared lawn

3min 5 Sec



Cinema 4D

All of this makes me REALLY, REALLY glad I'm an engineering student today and not 50 years ago. Of course 50 years ago, I'd've been lucky to attend college as a woman, never mind studying science and engineering.

Lighting: 3min 5 Sec



Cinema 4D

If you draw things with no scale (just make up numbers) ya of course you can do it fast, I could probably beat your time by a long shot if I just made shiat up. People like you piss me off, act like you know what you're doing and talking about, when you don't. Like I said before, ANIMATION PROGRAMS AND CADD PROGRAMS ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMALS One is built to draw pretty pictures at fast speed, the other is build to draft drawing to build from.

moparedtn: I, too, was classicly trained as a draftsman in the 70s.
Architecture was my background, although the skills
served me well in civil engineering and, later, fire
protection. Was faster with ink on mylar than most were
with pencils.
This fella didn't even use a t-square or a level edge?
Heresy.

First CAD system I was exposed to was the Intergraph (loved the
macro routines), later followed by some cheesy Planix stuff and then, eventually, AutoCad.
Always hated AutoCad. Young hotshot challenged me to a race one
day on a sprinkler plan, him on SprinkCad, me by hand.
I smoked his ass by half an hour.

/Proud and old enough to say get off my perfectly-squared lawn

You and I both know that in some cases it's waaaay faster just to draw it by hand. I regularly just make a sketch, photocopy it and hand it out to production to build, it all depends on the complexity of the item and project.

EdTheHead: Fifty years ago? shiat, I was still working at the board twenty years ago. CAD was for firms with money.

I took mechanical drawing in high school in 1989. Great class.

Problem with entire concept...

Time to learn drafting = x
time to learn AutoCAD = y

Time required to learn NEW version of drafting = x+0
Time required relearn AutoCAD every 2 releases = 4y
Money spent on new version of drafting = $0
Money spent on new version of AutoCAD = $500/year/user

yeah, productivity went up with AutoCAD, but don't forget the fact that you still need to understand the concepts of manual drafting to even LEARN AutoCAD.

/old dog, new tricks
//please abandon the grassy area that lies in front of my house.

scope1000: Problem with entire concept...

Time to learn drafting = x
time to learn AutoCAD = y

Time required to learn NEW version of drafting = x+0
Time required relearn AutoCAD every 2 releases = 4y
Money spent on new version of drafting = $0
Money spent on new version of AutoCAD = $500/year/user

yeah, productivity went up with AutoCAD, but don't forget the fact that you still need to understand the concepts of manual drafting to even LEARN AutoCAD.

/old dog, new tricks
//please abandon the grassy area that lies in front of my house.

don't forget the $2500/year subscription fee for "free" upgrades to the latest releases

Der Poopflinger:
don't forget the $2500/year subscription fee for "free" upgrades to the latest releases

THIS

/one service pack to fix "bugs" then off to the new "release" = THEFT

Growing up I always wondered what those strange triangle rulers in my house were for...
/Both parents engineers - 5 degrees between them
//undergrad in ChemE
///Not really sure if I'll ever have to do something like that. There's knowing your major for you.

Certainly You Jest: I could stand about 30 seconds of that before the "music" drove me off.

It's psytrance man. Sounds like Astral Projection, but if you watch the entire video, it's "Melody Attack" by Asteroide.

Der Poopflinger:
If you draw things with no scale (just make up numbers) ya of course you can do it fast, I could probably beat your time by a long shot if I just made shiat up. People like you piss me off, act like you know what you're doing and talking about, when you don't. Like I said before, ANIMATION PROGRAMS AND CADD PROGRAMS ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMALS

No, they are not.
I create fabrication plans in C4D. Oh, and the scale of that drawing is based on the American Lumber Standard (ALS) system since it sure looked like he was drawing a fence like object. Glad I piss you off, my time on the same object in VectorWorks is 3:22

/is that a REAL enough program for you?
//but you know what you are talking about... obviously

approves

that was a GREAT video, thanks so much for posting it!

I'm a mechanical engineer, and I sure don't miss those days at all. Hours and hours of work for a pretty picture.. Oh no no, I need a back view of it. WHAT?!!! Thank god for pro-engineer, eliminates nearly every mistake before a real part is created.

I'm taking my first AutoCAD class as an intersession course this winter, and I'm pretty fired up about it. Now I usually just make any drawings I need in Excel with really small sized cells as a grid, so it'll be nice to step things up a bit.


/Construction Science undergrad
//wasn't great at my drafting classes, but I learned a lot

I got my drafting training in '91 (board 2x the training as CAD back then).

Mechanical Drafter in aerospace for 10 years. Then lucky enough to land a job helping to design golf clubs.

Still do 40+ hours a week CAD and LOVE it!

/still have all of my drafting tools and know how to use them
//animation and CAD work are NOT the same!

jeez, fark attracts all kinds, who knew that we had all these old fart draftmen (women, persons, pick your poison although i firmly believe in barefoot and pregnant.) lying around here.

/i'll get off the lawn now sir.

Does anyone know what CAD program was he using at the end?

I was drafting in graphite and ink in 1985. Then got hired by an engineering firm that had a pre-PC Mainframe (an HP 1000?) with 12 TERMINALS (actual terminals) and a app called CEADS CAD.

One terminal had a print-screen feature that temporarily reflected the monitor image into some kind of thermal printer, and spat out a curly yellow "fax" of the screen. The Plotter took about 15minutes a page and usually the pen skipped so I was the one who had to take the output back to my drawing board to fix it with pens and rulers.

Ah, that took me back.

These days I write RDBMS apps for a living, but I use CorelDraw when I need to do 2d CAD around the house, and use 3dStudio, for anything else.

(I still have my t-square, triangles and all my templates, though)
PS now get off my lawn.