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2007-11-30 09:52:32 AM
She looks like a bat shiat crazy biatch to me. Is that considered racist?
 
2007-11-30 09:56:51 AM
Tiocfaidh ar la
 
2007-11-30 09:57:42 AM
LowPlainsDrifter: I've not met many English folk who seem to understand this out of the gate.

I suspect that you've come across people who are being wilfully facetious, rather than their failing to understand what's being said, who then get a laugh out of you attempting to explain it.
 
2007-11-30 10:01:46 AM
Maynard G. Muskievote: Tiocfaidh ar la

Perhaps...but not yet.
 
2007-11-30 10:02:00 AM
Fark the English!

/Irish
//Getting drunker than a fiddler's biatch
 
2007-11-30 10:02:08 AM
Welcome to America Limeys!
 
2007-11-30 10:03:21 AM
Maynard G. Muskievote: Tiocfaidh ar la

Not until the euro is worth more than the pound.
 
2007-11-30 10:05:47 AM
Wytchocolate: Wales greatest export to England

you know he's half-black, right?
 
2007-11-30 10:07:58 AM
I guess it would be like if a Jew called a Persian an Arab biatch.
 
2007-11-30 10:08:56 AM
devilchildsrevenge: For all those proudly stating that they are Irish. You are not. Unless you were not born in Ireland or presently live there with a passport issued by their government you are not Irish get over yourselves. Also it is the height of wankerdom to go into your local pub loudly state you are Irish and start talking in a fake ass accent that you learned from the movies. Stop just Stop.

Sounds like you've got some anger towards an ex-boyfriend or a mysterious family tree or something.

I don't have to go into a pub and proclaim myself as anything. My name says enough, as does my ability to drink anyone in the place under the table.

As far as being "Irish," we're a nation of immigrants. I'm an American first and foremost, but I'm proud I can trace my family back to Ireland and always will be. Am I "Irish" in the legal sense of the term? Of course not. But my family got out of some pretty horrid conditions, came over to this side of the pond to try to make a better life for themselves. You think I'm not going to be proud of where and who I come from? You, sir, can go fark yourself in a very uncomfortable place.

/like the back of a Volkswagen
 
2007-11-30 10:12:13 AM
As far as being "Irish," we're a nation of immigrants. I'm an American first and foremost, but I'm proud I can trace my family back to Ireland and always will be. Am I "Irish" in the legal sense of the term? Of course not. But my family got out of some pretty horrid conditions, came over to this side of the pond to try to make a better life for themselves. You think I'm not going to be proud of where and who I come from? You, sir, can go fark yourself in a very uncomfortable place.

YES THIS!!

/I'll take your drinking challenge - pound for pound, I'll drink you all under the table.
//103lb Irish woman
 
2007-11-30 10:16:36 AM
Maynard G. Muskievote: You think I'm not going to be proud of where and who I come from?

There's proud, and then there's:

Tiocfaidh ar la
 
2007-11-30 10:18:45 AM
Samsaran: An Irishman who doesn't like the English? Its not like they conquered his people, stole his land, persecuted his religion, abolished his language and starved his people or anything.

"They" didn't. "Some" did.
 
2007-11-30 10:20:30 AM
FarkinNortherner

There's proud, and then there's:

Tiocfaidh ar la


If you give the guy in the pub a hundred dollars for the struggle, you too can proudly proclaim our day will come and think back on the bitter blood you shed for Irish freedom.

/offer good only in New York, Boston or Chicago
//void where prohibited by post-911 anti-terrorism laws
 
2007-11-30 10:39:17 AM
Krizzose: This thread has wonderfully elucidated the fine European tradition of assuming Americans are stupid. Case in point, Americans referring to their ethnic background by saying "I'm ______." Some Europeans hop on that by, as we've seen, saying things like "you're not ________ unless you live in ______________." In an ethnic melting pot like the US, it actually is quite common for people to tell other people about their ethnic backgrounds. So most Americans simply say "I'm _______," and not "I'm _______-American," or "I'm of _________ ancestry." Why? Because that's just stupid. I know the guy is American, and I'm not confused by it. Why would an Irishman in Ireland actually think an American tourist who says "I'm Irish" actually thinks that he is Irish in the same sense as the Irishman who was born and raised in Ireland? Get over yourselves.

It is the nature of the US: we're all from somewhere else, and being Polish, in my case, is part and parcel of being American.

Ignorance of American idiom is not a solid ground for ridicule.


a defence for the european view - do you think the irish/polish/whatever actually like you, who probably emigrated from there a good century ago, saying you represent their ethnicity? - you do not, you were born and raised in america and share the american culture, fine - america is a 'melting pot' - that's its distinction, but you are a long way from representing the ethnicities you think you do

no country has a truly native population, the only reason you do it is because it's fairly recent history - europeans don't go around refering to themselves as saxons, angles, romans and normans, why? because they've developed into nationalities based on other factors, just as you have
 
2007-11-30 10:40:06 AM
I suspect that you've come across people who are being wilfully facetious, rather than their failing to understand what's being said, who then get a laugh out of you attempting to explain it.


That may be. But I wonder about the mindset of a person who finds amusement in pretending to be an ignoramus in order to get somebody to point out something to him in an attempt to be helpful. Where's the humor?

"Oh, blimey, look at the dumb American Nigel. I was pretending to be completely ignorant to the point of blinding stupidity and he tried to instruct me about the mistake I was feigning! How hilarious! I really pulled one over on him, that dumb American!"

Wait..what?

Though to be fair, in real life I don't try to explain anything to them. Whether they're being for real or feigning being retarded, either way it seems pointless to bother responding to their stupidity. On the internet I'll try once in a while, but meh, seems kind of pointless too now that I consider it.
 
2007-11-30 10:43:21 AM
no country has a truly native population, the only reason you do it is because it's fairly recent history - europeans don't go around refering to themselves as saxons, angles, romans and normans, why?


Fail. The Romans were *big time* on referencing themselves as Romans. Civis romanus sum - I am a Roman Citizen. It was a point of pride, as it were.
 
2007-11-30 10:48:48 AM
LowPlainsDrifter: no country has a truly native population, the only reason you do it is because it's fairly recent history - europeans don't go around refering to themselves as saxons, angles, romans and normans, why?

Fail. The Romans were *big time* on referencing themselves as Romans. Civis romanus sum - I am a Roman Citizen. It was a point of pride, as it were.


oh christ...read it again - properly
 
2007-11-30 10:49:29 AM
Wytchocolate: Wales greatest export to England

www.rockyroaduk.com
 
2007-11-30 10:52:19 AM
gbiewer: As far as being "Irish," we're a nation of immigrants. I'm an American first and foremost, but I'm proud I can trace my family back to Ireland and always will be. Am I "Irish" in the legal sense of the term? Of course not. But my family got out of some pretty horrid conditions, came over to this side of the pond to try to make a better life for themselves. You think I'm not going to be proud of where and who I come from? You, sir, can go fark yourself in a very uncomfortable place.

YES THIS!!

/I'll take your drinking challenge - pound for pound, I'll drink you all under the table.
//103lb Irish woman


Pfffft. Whatever limette. What time is it?

/adopted scot raised by danish wolves
//American without all that hypnenation bullshiat.
 
2007-11-30 10:52:26 AM
tarquinrainbowtrout

a defence for the european view - do you think the irish/polish/whatever actually like you, who probably emigrated from there a good century ago, saying you represent their ethnicity?

No more than most Americans care for the implication that they are all the same. They are not.

you do not, you were born and raised in america and share the american culture, fine

What is the American culture? A Hmong, Mayflower-descended Yankee and a Pima might all speak enough English to communicate amongst themselves, but they are at least as different from each other as the American Hmong is from a Hmong still in Asia. "American" as an ethnicity encompassing all the persons in America fails.
 
2007-11-30 10:56:34 AM
Facetious_Speciest: If you give the guy in the pub a hundred dollars for the struggle, you too can proudly proclaim our day will come and think back on the bitter blood you shed for Irish freedom.

Hehe.
 
2007-11-30 11:08:21 AM
I'm of Welsh descent, but you can't really tell until I get near the sheep.
 
2007-11-30 11:09:12 AM
Facetious_Speciest: tarquinrainbowtrout

a defence for the european view - do you think the irish/polish/whatever actually like you, who probably emigrated from there a good century ago, saying you represent their ethnicity?

No more than most Americans care for the implication that they are all the same. They are not.

you do not, you were born and raised in america and share the american culture, fine

What is the American culture? A Hmong, Mayflower-descended Yankee and a Pima might all speak enough English to communicate amongst themselves, but they are at least as different from each other as the American Hmong is from a Hmong still in Asia. "American" as an ethnicity encompassing all the persons in America fails.


i understand the viewpoint, it's just a very alien concept which we are presented with - especially with the whole 'irishness' thing - you may be aware that a good proportion of scots (glasgow) retain their irish roots, creating a fair bit of sectarianism for little reason

fair enough you might say, but plenty of irish people emigrated to liverpool, coventry and london (amongst others) and there is not the same feeling - i'm a scouser by birth and am of irish descent, but you don't find many scousers running around claiming to be irish - they tend to regard themselves as scouse first, then english, we're not irish

i also have never heard of americans claiming to be english, despite the fact that a good proportion almost certainly are, always seemed something a little bit more than just celebrating where your ancestors came from to me
 
2007-11-30 11:09:58 AM
Is English a derogatory term?
 
2007-11-30 11:16:02 AM
None of this would have happened had he been Black Irish.

("Black Irish" is a traditional term believed to have originated in the United States that commonly ascribes to a dark brown or black hair phenotype appearing in Caucasian persons of Irish descent.)
 
2007-11-30 11:19:10 AM
tarquinrainbowtrout: you don't find many scousers running around claiming to be irish

Y'know, I'm not sure about that. I think if you ask around in Flannagan's Apple you'd find quite a few.
 
2007-11-30 11:22:53 AM
Further proof of evil whitey's racist nature...
 
2007-11-30 11:23:43 AM
Straelbora
"Pollack" is either a film director or a fish.

www.tvguide.com

You forgot me.
 
2007-11-30 11:27:20 AM
I have nothing to add. But since the article involves the Irish, here's an obligatory pic of the Boondock Saints.

www.cinemafusion.com

/All right. Get your stupid fookin' rope.
 
2007-11-30 11:28:45 AM
FarkinNortherner: tarquinrainbowtrout: you don't find many scousers running around claiming to be irish

Y'know, I'm not sure about that. I think if you ask around in Flannagan's Apple you'd find quite a few.


oh, agreed - i know quite a few more recent ex-pats whose parents emigrated and still have the real accent, and there are those who associate with being irish - but the whole city doesn't dress up in green and proclaim to be irish one day a year - my main issue with the whole thing is that irish people i've met are not keen to be associated with the yanks
 
2007-11-30 11:28:52 AM
img.dailymail.co.uk

poor 'victims'
 
2007-11-30 11:29:59 AM
I heard rumors that Uncle Fester was banging Wednesday but I never believed them...
 
2007-11-30 11:30:30 AM
gbiewer:
//103lb Irish woman


Pics or it's not true.
 
2007-11-30 11:31:59 AM
tarquinrainbowtrout

i understand the viewpoint, it's just a very alien concept which we are presented with - especially with the whole 'irishness' thing

American Irishism is its own entity (though a lot of Irish Australians seem similar to me). It is actually a very complex entity as well. Most Irish people that came over before the famines assimilated into the dominant Anglo-American culture, and their present families consider themselves American or, more rarely these days, "Scots-Irish", "Ulster Irish", etc., despite the fact none of them have lived in Ireland for centuries, and many of those that came from Ireland had just recently settled in Ireland themselves. Then millions came over during the famines and after, and this is where the bulk of Irish Americans originate. There was a lot of social pressure at the time, and ethnic organisation was an important tool of advancement. I think this is actually where most of the "we're Irish in America" sentiment comes from. That kind of thing gets passed down. A lot abandon it because it really is not necessary at this point, but there are still a lot of Americans that have never considered themselves to not be Irish; no generation made that turn in identity to proclaim themselves something else. That their Irishness is (usually) a stewpot of outdated custom and Hollywood Oirishisms is not so important; they rarely know the difference. What they know is that their grandfather Mick McMickerson came to this country for a better life, and impressed his children with an Irish stamp, and tiocfaidh ár lá, an tráth cuí.

It is not what someone in Ireland might call "Irishness", but it is what it is. It is a different ethno-cultural milieu than the rest of the country, with its own history, codewords and perspectives.

fair enough you might say, but plenty of irish people emigrated to liverpool, coventry and london (amongst others) and there is not the same feeling - i'm a scouser by birth and am of irish descent, but you don't find many scousers running around claiming to be irish - they tend to regard themselves as scouse first, then english, we're not irish

There are a lot of people like that in America as well.

i also have never heard of americans claiming to be english, despite the fact that a good proportion almost certainly are, always seemed something a little bit more than just celebrating where your ancestors came from to me

If I recall, "English" was the fourth most common ancestry recorded by the American census in 2000.
 
2007-11-30 11:32:36 AM
mynameistim: poor 'victims'

They look like they're wacked to the gills on anti-depressants and probably recycle their used toilet paper.
 
2007-11-30 11:40:09 AM
after careful considerations, I have determined that she is not an English biatch, she is just a plain old biatch. I have also determined that if her husband actually took offense to the comment, he must have a stretched pussy the size of a cavern.

political correctness has brought this world to shame :(
 
2007-11-30 11:51:34 AM
All this shiat shoulda been taken care of a long time ago. I wonder why the English didnt just kill every Scot, Welsh, and Irishman they ran into? It woulda saved them a hell of a lot of trouble later on, hell woulda saved me hearing the vaguely nationalist and ethnocentric bullshiat spouted in this thread.

Ulster Scot + American = Appalachian.
 
2007-11-30 12:07:49 PM
Rustem: All this shiat shoulda been taken care of a long time ago. I wonder why the English didnt just kill every Scot, Welsh, and Irishman they ran into? It woulda saved them a hell of a lot of trouble later on, hell woulda saved me hearing the vaguely nationalist and ethnocentric bullshiat spouted in this thread.

Ulster Scot + American = Appalachian.


You're all British and stuck on a cramped farking island group in the North Atlantic. We get why you're a little cranky but jeez.....
 
2007-11-30 12:07:57 PM
Krizzose: This thread has wonderfully elucidated the fine European tradition of assuming Americans are stupid. Case in point, Americans referring to their ethnic background by saying "I'm ______." Some Europeans hop on that by, as we've seen, saying things like "you're not ________ unless you live in ______________." In an ethnic melting pot like the US, it actually is quite common for people to tell other people about their ethnic backgrounds. So most Americans simply say "I'm _______," and not "I'm _______-American," or "I'm of _________ ancestry." Why? Because that's just stupid. I know the guy is American, and I'm not confused by it. Why would an Irishman in Ireland actually think an American tourist who says "I'm Irish" actually thinks that he is Irish in the same sense as the Irishman who was born and raised in Ireland? Get over yourselves.

It is the nature of the US: we're all from somewhere else, and being Polish, in my case, is part and parcel of being American.

Ignorance of American idiom is not a solid ground for ridicule.


This
 
2007-11-30 12:40:03 PM
Swiss Colony

and Brighton is full of poofters
 
2007-11-30 01:32:50 PM
Well if nobody has said it yet: I'd still rather be an English biatch then Welsh
 
2007-11-30 02:16:58 PM
Swiss Colony: Scotland is a county.
Wales is a region.

I'm glad none of you qualified for the Euros either. Enjoy your Mickey Mouse 'Celtic cup'. That is on a par with the Autoglass Trophy.


I beleive that wales is in fact a principality
 
2007-11-30 02:47:14 PM
upload.wikimedia.orgimg.dailymail.co.uk
 
2007-11-30 02:47:33 PM
Wales is an atonomous collective.
 
2007-11-30 02:50:53 PM
That's "autonomous" but no.

Wales is an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
 
2007-11-30 04:08:24 PM
Sorry was out for a while - had to work & all.

For those who doubt my weight - www.myspace.com/gbiewer for non photoshopped pics or you can check out the photos under my pub crawling on bicycles group website...

www.thetdt.org

I was dressed up as "The Slutty Pumpkin" and my hubby was "Hanging Chad"

/I DARE ANYONE OF YOU TO COME TO FLORIDA AND DRINK ME UNDER THE TABLE (POUND FOR POUND SO IF YOU WEIGH 300# OR SO, YOU WILL BE DRINKING A LOT)
//Fark Drink - off? New tag?
 
2007-11-30 04:21:07 PM
So the English and the Welsh are different races now? When did that happen?

Sort of. The English are predominately Norman/Anglo Saxon decent, with some viking heritage further north. While the Welsh is more Anglo Celtic. The people who live in Brittany, in France are closely related as the original Britons were pushed into Wales, Brittany, Cornwall and Ireland. So you could say they are from different racial tribal groupings from far offlands, but have since that time interbred to make the modern British people.

FarkinNortherner:
LowPlainsDrifter: How about the English stop referring to themselves as Anglo-Saxons then?

Err, generally we don't. In fact, it's got distasteful far-right connotations.


Exactly. We English haven't used Anglo-Saxon as a common term since the eleventh century.
 
2007-11-30 04:30:58 PM
Exactly. We English haven't used Anglo-Saxon as a common term since the eleventh century 1945.


And for about all the race-baiters... Worth repeating:

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

-- Ayn Rand
 
2007-11-30 05:27:18 PM
The most imteresting thing (for me anyway) is that its more offensive to call someone 'English' than to call them a 'biatch'
 
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