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2007-11-30 06:30:41 AM
As yank, I want to point out how hilarious it is that this is about "racism" or whatever and the Irish guy's name is Mick. LOL

/do the Welsh disassociate themselves that much from the "English"? Or is this about Irish vs English? It would help if there was some distinquishing pigment differences or something.
 
2007-11-30 06:33:11 AM
Nothing to see here. They were being cunnies over the cost of repairs and were looking for an excuse to get him into trouble.


/English bastard
//Getting a kick out of these angry posts from ex colonials ;)
 
2007-11-30 06:34:43 AM
Shatner's Bassoon: Gotta laugh at Americans who think they're Irish or Scottish even though they've never even been there. Your ancestors were Irish or Scottish; you're a yank.

Actually, my mother was born there, and even before they
liberalized their passport restrictions in the 1990's, I
was technically eligable to get an Irish passport (my mother
is still an Irish citizen, though the US doesn't recognize
dual citizenship). So, bite me johnnie.

I haven't got around to it, but if I was a traveller I'd
sure do it: there are times when it is useful to have a
non-US passport.

But, given that I am half Irish and half Polish/American,
I have long ago come to terms with the fact that I am, indeed,
a walking ethnic joke.

I don't know if I should get drunk or act stupid, so I often
do both.

/Enjoy the veal!
 
2007-11-30 06:35:31 AM
yarnothuntin: /do the Welsh disassociate themselves that much from the "English"? Or is this about Irish vs English? It would help if there was some distinquishing pigment differences or something.

everyone in the british isles who is not english hates the english. quite a few people outside this green and pleasant land like to abuse us. hating the english is quite ingrained in quite a few cultures... perhaps the fact that we murdered lots of them has something to do with that.

still, to the scottish, welsh and northern irish i say, "if you hate us that much feel free to leave the union, i wont stop you"
 
2007-11-30 06:35:47 AM
Shatner's Bassoon: Gotta laugh at Americans who think they're Irish or Scottish even though they've never even been there. Your ancestors were Irish or Scottish; you're a yank.

Ssssh! It's what keeps the Scottish tourist trade afloat. You think the rest of us are buying huge broadswords or tartans for clans that never actually existed? ;)
 
2007-11-30 06:59:28 AM
He should have called her a dirty saes, as people in Newtown can't usually speak welsh anyway.


/welsh, lives with an englishman in France - is screwed.
 
2007-11-30 07:09:40 AM
Whitewabbit: Okay, that's what I thought thanks for clearing that up I was a bit confused there.

Ya'll have bad teefs BWAHAHAHAHA!

/running away giggling like a school girl.
 
2007-11-30 07:12:40 AM
Scotland is a county.
Wales is a region.

I'm glad none of you qualified for the Euros either. Enjoy your Mickey Mouse 'Celtic cup'. That is on a par with the Autoglass Trophy.
 
2007-11-30 07:26:24 AM
Samsaran: Okay so .... A second generation son of Bengali immigrants named Depok who runs a curry joint in Dublin is IRISH and a red haired Catholic kid from Boston named Patrick Kilkenny is not?

That's about the size of it.


It would go even further than that. The one from Boston is a plastic paddy, because he's fake Irish. Nothing irks the Irish more than Americans who pretend they are Irish. Not even the English.
 
2007-11-30 07:27:27 AM
Swiss Colony: Scotland is a county.
Wales is a region.


and you are an ignorant tool.

But then, you are in Brighton, so at least you're being punished..
 
2007-11-30 07:29:40 AM
Whitewabbit: still, to the scottish, welsh and northern irish i say, "if you hate us that much feel free to leave the union, i wont stop you"

Norn Irish don't hate you - hell they're more pro union than you lot. (well 60% of them anyway)
 
2007-11-30 07:32:26 AM
Swiss Colony: Scotland is a county.
Wales is a region.

I'm glad none of you qualified for the Euros either. Enjoy your Mickey Mouse 'Celtic cup'. That is on a par with the Autoglass Trophy.


At least try and put a grain of truth in your post when you troll, but then, you are named after the place that consists of a nation of arse-lickers and pansies.

/see, now that's a troll!
 
2007-11-30 07:35:13 AM
Whitewabbit: still, to the scottish, welsh and northern irish i say, "if you hate us that much feel free to leave the union, i wont stop you"

Ah but it's more fun to stay in the union and annoy you from the INSIDE. Bwah ahhahhahhaahaasaaaaaaa etc.
 
2007-11-30 07:36:07 AM
I love these threads - Americans claiming to be Irish, cursing the Brits and demanding the reunification of the island of Ireland.

With the exception of a very small minority (including this muckaah in the article) we don't actually care about the Brits, we got over it years ago.

If you really do need to claim to be Irish at least try not to sound like something from a mid-80's Hollywood IRA film.

It might be time for you to update your Irishness, a trip to the local Irish pub or an Irish surname is not enough. Don't go quoting something you were told in a drunken conversation with someone who claimed to be on the run from the IRA, you just end up sounding like a twat.

Regarding N.Ireland - Listen we don't actually want the dump.

And yes - it's true, the English do inject potatoes with teh famines and post them to Ireland for us unsuspecting drunks to feed to our unwashed babies.

/Irish and feel no need to allude to my current state of sobriety
 
2007-11-30 07:37:48 AM
SatchmoR: F*ck you all!

I'm from Yorkshire (twinned with Yorkshire, 'cos we like it that way).


A Yorkshireman = A Scotsman with his pockets sewed shut.

/can't remember where I heard that exactly, but it was in Yorkshire. Skipton maybe?
 
2007-11-30 07:41:12 AM
Jazzycat:

Meh, even with a half-hearted troll I got a bite so I'm happy :)
 
2007-11-30 07:52:29 AM
Mr and Mrs Steele are utterly freaksome looking.
I think they should be offered a sitcom, like the (Gerry) Adams Family or some such.


Freaks, Freaks, Freaks
 
2007-11-30 07:55:08 AM
Is England pretty much the Florida of Europe?

Three times a day there are stories from the Daily Mail (mostly nanny-state type stuff) that feature America-level stupidity.
 
2007-11-30 07:55:21 AM
sticks and stones....blah,blah,blah....

/grow the fark up
 
2007-11-30 08:02:13 AM
You can actually buy that guy's face from here (click pic if interested):

www.tvdance.com
 
2007-11-30 08:02:50 AM
Oh_Enough_Already: Is England pretty much the Florida of Europe?

Three times a day there are stories from the Daily Mail (mostly nanny-state type stuff) that feature America-level stupidity.


I've bolded the problem. If you only get your views of the UK from the Daily Mail and the Sun then it's easy to think that. It would be like thinking the National Inquirer gave a good representation of American culture.

/And I'm offended I'll have you know we are at least as stupid as any American you care to mention.
 
2007-11-30 08:12:46 AM
Next thing you know giving a limey a toothbrush will be considered a hate crime....
 
2007-11-30 08:15:43 AM
Oh_Enough_Already: stories from the Daily Mail

Left wing Farker: "Faux News is the mouthpiece of the neocons !"

Right wing Farker: "CNN is the mouthpiece of the libtards !"

Farker: "The Daily Mail is an accurate and unbiased representation of British life and politics"
 
2007-11-30 08:15:58 AM
Samsaran: An Irishman who doesn't like the English? Its not like they conquered his people, stole his land, persecuted his religion, abolished his language and starved his people or anything.

Yeh, sorry about that. It was a really busy day and I was just running around like a nutter, and you know, and bit careless of what I was weilding/signing/starving etc....
 
2007-11-30 08:31:33 AM
Glasgowsfinest: SatchmoR: F*ck you all!

I'm from Yorkshire (twinned with Yorkshire, 'cos we like it that way).

A Yorkshireman = A Scotsman with his pockets sewed shut.

/can't remember where I heard that exactly, but it was in Yorkshire. Skipton maybe?


Touche (how do you get that acute accent?)
 
2007-11-30 08:32:16 AM
Ah, forget it - was a fly
 
2007-11-30 08:32:28 AM
Telling her she could play for the English football team would be an even bigger insult.
 
2007-11-30 08:33:27 AM
yarnothuntin:/do the Welsh disassociate themselves that much from the "English"? Or is this about Irish vs English? It would help if there was some distinquishing pigment differences or something.

Depends where you are, most places it depends on the accent really. Some places it is about speaking Welsh, know people from the north that call people from southeast Wales "Sais" because they can't speak Welsh. I speak more Welsh than the natives where I live and some of my northern Welsh friends think me more Welsh even though I am not from there and only lived there for about 4 years. For the most part you can't tell from looking, though some people do look stereotypical Welsh, dark hair and dark eyes with a larger nose, and either really tall and thin or very short and fat. You have to be careful who you call English in the UK. If you are unsure, say British, if there are Scots or Welsh, they will correct you, but they won't be annoyed, if there are English, they won't say anything.
 
2007-11-30 08:39:48 AM
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Wales greatest export to England
 
2007-11-30 08:42:52 AM
Persepolis/Qu!rk:

"Pollack" is either a film director or a fish.

"Polack" is the derogatory term.

The problem is, in Polish, if you say, "I am a Pole," you say "Ja jestem polak," so 'polack' isn't really that far off.

Damn- I'm Polish and Irish, so I get both the drunken Mick and dumb Polack stereotypes.

//Judging from the picture, even if he got the "English" part wrong, it looks like he got the "biatch" part right.//

/I thought maybe he had called her a "Sassanach."//
 
2007-11-30 08:43:28 AM
Bathia_Mapes: No, he called her an "English biatch". There's a bit of difference subby.

How? She's obviously a biatch, it was the addition of calling her English that supposedly made it a racial comment.
 
2007-11-30 08:49:18 AM
Gotta laugh at Americans who think they're Irish or Scottish even though they've never even been there. Your ancestors were Irish or Scottish; you're a yank.


Fair enough. How about the English stop referring to themselves as Anglo-Saxons then? They are not Danish nor German (depends on where you draw the border when they came over to the island), no matter where their ancestors came from originally, so let us put an end to that insufferable "anglo-saxon" thing, shall we? In fact, "English" is derived from "Anglish", and the Brits (wait, that's an ancient Celtic and/or Pict reference...hmmm, how about U.K. citizens then) are clearly (again) not Germans nor are they from Denmark. Nor are they Pictish. Yet they insist on referencing themselves as such.

Damn, this is a big can of worms isn't it?
 
2007-11-30 08:51:51 AM
The Quick and the Dead: I am English and Welsh. Wait so should I be offened that a Welsh woman was accused of being English, or, be offened by the fact that she was offened that someone called her English.

/is also German, Polish, Italian, Scandanavian and American
//is also very confused


That's nothing. I have English, Irish and Scottish ancestry. And my former boss was Welsh (born and raised in Wales). Whee!

/is also of German and Norwegian ancestry
//is not confused at all
 
2007-11-30 09:02:24 AM
LowPlainsDrifter: How about the English stop referring to themselves as Anglo-Saxons then?

Err, generally we don't. In fact, it's got distasteful far-right connotations.
 
2007-11-30 09:03:59 AM
A Welsh woman, married to an Englishmen feels insulted? She farking an Englishman for Chrissakes!

drjekel_mrhyde: He not gay, just an English Uncle Fester.

\The English are the most inbreed people of the region who have a long history of farking with their neighbors.
 
2007-11-30 09:06:27 AM
FarkinNortherner: Err, generally we don't. In fact, it's got distasteful far-right connotations.

Got to back the sassenach up on this one, I've never heard an english person refer to themselves as Anglo-Saxon.

/Not even me gran
//She was a londoner
 
2007-11-30 09:08:42 AM
daniellynn's real dad: I'm Scots, the wife is Welsh. The kidssheep are screwed.

FTFY

Ex-girlfriend's brother (lives in Stirling) narrowly avoided a paragliding death by landing on a sheep. Still broke his back, but at least he got a date out of it.
 
2007-11-30 09:20:37 AM
This thread has wonderfully elucidated the fine European tradition of assuming Americans are stupid. Case in point, Americans referring to their ethnic background by saying "I'm ______." Some Europeans hop on that by, as we've seen, saying things like "you're not ________ unless you live in ______________." In an ethnic melting pot like the US, it actually is quite common for people to tell other people about their ethnic backgrounds. So most Americans simply say "I'm _______," and not "I'm _______-American," or "I'm of _________ ancestry." Why? Because that's just stupid. I know the guy is American, and I'm not confused by it. Why would an Irishman in Ireland actually think an American tourist who says "I'm Irish" actually thinks that he is Irish in the same sense as the Irishman who was born and raised in Ireland? Get over yourselves.

It is the nature of the US: we're all from somewhere else, and being Polish, in my case, is part and parcel of being American.

Ignorance of American idiom is not a solid ground for ridicule.
 
2007-11-30 09:20:56 AM
LowPlainsDrifter: Fair enough. How about the English stop referring to themselves as Anglo-Saxons then?

It's really only a certain part of the English populace that refer to themselves as "Anglo Saxon" and they are the same sort of people that smash the windows of Paediatricians houses because they don't understand what that means either.
 
2007-11-30 09:24:00 AM
Samsaran: An Irishman who doesn't like the English? Its not like they conquered his people, stole his land, persecuted his religion, abolished his language and starved his people or anything.

/Did you read the article? The guy was from NORTHERN Ireland. No stolen land, mostlikely killed lots of Catholics, his people never suffered the potato famine & don't consider themselves "Irish" in the first place.

Link (new window)
 
2007-11-30 09:26:35 AM
It's not racism, since english, irish, scottish, welsh, or american are not races.

It's possiblu discrimination based on national origin, but it's not racism.
 
2007-11-30 09:27:29 AM
Krizzose: No, it is pretty stupid of (us) Americans, because the people who shout the loudest that they're Italian or Irish or whatever usually only extend that identity to the brand of beer they drink. That said, it's a lot smarter than most immigrants in Europe and their hosts, who refuse to believe that a national identity can be a fluid concept. I've never met someone over here who describes themselves as, for example, "Moroccan-Dutch".

dersk
 
2007-11-30 09:29:56 AM
darkhorse23: If someone called me English in that tone of voice I'd knock their teeth out.

/irish as the day is long


In a bizarre way, a civil war in Britain would be rather amusing to watch

/Scottish. American style.
 
2007-11-30 09:30:48 AM
dersk: Italians identify themselves based on the beer they drink? ORLY?

/Italian beer?
 
2007-11-30 09:37:22 AM
daniellynn's real dad: I'm Scots, the wife is Welsh. The kids are screwed.

You screw your kids? No, no, no that's not right...
 
2007-11-30 09:39:45 AM
So the English and the Welsh are different races now? When did that happen?
 
2007-11-30 09:43:43 AM
Err, generally we don't. In fact, it's got distasteful far-right connotations.


But you admit that it exists (I have heard some Englishmen refer to themselves in this manner, but not many I'll grant you). I'm just saying, get rid of it if one cannot grasp what your average American means when he says "I'm Irish" or "I'm German" or whatever. He's not saying he's from Ireland or Germany, he's saying he's of that ancestry. It's a shorthand notation 'tis all, but I've not met many English folk who seem to understand this out of the gate.
 
2007-11-30 09:47:20 AM
Many people from Europe seem to think "American" is an ethnicity until they get out a bit. American farkers should take no offense.
 
2007-11-30 09:48:20 AM
OH God - thread over - watch

Link (new window)
 
2007-11-30 09:52:21 AM
Dersk,

My point is that one inherent quality of being American is being able to identify with one's ethnic background without that identification in any way diluting one's nationality or identity as American. One does not preclude the other; quite the opposite in fact.

It's obvious that people from other countries, especially Europeans, can often fail to understand the truly assimilative yet pluralistic nature of the American nationality. The Brits have gotten much closer to that assimilative pluralism than the continental Europeans, as you point out with the Dutch example and as the slums of Paris are demonstrating right now.
 
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