They should just hook up with each other in the parking lot and then crash in the backyard of a friend's place and hopefully wake up before their friend's wife lets the dog out in the morning which would certainly start eating the vomit surrounding their half naked body.

It's been over two years..if you can't afford a new place to live by now, in any state, then you're not trying hard enough and should be made into mulch.

There isn't much housing available or not available for a low price?
I ask because if there isn't much available, I wouldn't be surprised. The "refugees" didn't seem like they were in any sort of a hurry to rebuild.
If there is and it isn't affordable, it's as if the builders are saying "keep your low-rent crime-addled selves out of here.

Not sure where I want to take this..

Dr.Knockboots: It's been over two years..if you can't afford a new place to live by now, in any state, then you're not trying hard enough and should be made into mulch.

These are the same people that didnt work before katrina, why should we expect them to work now?

Welfare was a lifestyle for LO.

Damn you subby...now I have that horrendous song "Closing Time" in my head.

Dr.Knockboots

It's been over two years..if you can't afford a new place to live by now, in any state, then you're not trying hard enough and should be made into mulch.


"That would be your accomplice in the wood chipper..."

Everyone remember: If you don't have something nice to say...

You won't be able to blast them out of those trailers now

didn't they know that going in?..

chaddsfarkprefect

Everyone remember: If you don't have something nice to say...


Go on Fark and spew nonsense to your heart's content?

There are no social or institutional failures in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

Dr.Knockboots: It's been over two years..if you can't afford a new place to live by now, in any state, then you're not trying hard enough and should be made into mulch.

There isn't much housing available or not available for a low price?
I ask because if there isn't much available, I wouldn't be surprised. The "refugees" didn't seem like they were in any sort of a hurry to rebuild.
If there is and it isn't affordable, it's as if the builders are saying "keep your low-rent crime-addled selves out of here.

Not sure where I want to take this..

Yes, because everyone who lost all their earthly possesions is 25 years old and ready to launch headfirst into a new career.

Your right though, the old and infirm among the trailer residents should yank those bootstraps tight. It's the American way.

(Not that I am accusing you of such a thing)

Shostie
It's awesome when people generalize about Katrina victims. It's common knowledge that Katrina only hit New Orleans, and didn't do a bit of damage to the coastal regions of Louisiana and Mississippi.

RTFA asshat.

NEW ORLEANS - The Federal Emergency Management Agency is planning to close by Friday as many as 13 trailer parks in Louisiana where victims of the 2005 hurricanes are currently living.

The sentiment still applies. Even if it's not specifically aimed at NO.

Dr.Knockboots: If there is and it isn't affordable, it's as if the builders are saying "keep your low-rent crime-addled selves out of here.

No. It's because of landlords jacking up the price. Contractors will pay any price, and pack a ton of guys into a house. I lived a block away from three such contractor houses before I moved.

The houses turn to crap, and the prices just increase. I saw a house that was $1275 before the storm. When I got back, the same place was $2000. The apartment I was living in at the time was sold after the storm to someone who lived in Israel for 6 months out of the year without being told.

I would get a job, but I have this gimpy knee..

czarangelus: There is no social or institutional failures laziness in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

chaddsfarkprefect: Everyone remember: If you don't have something nice to say...

..come say it on fark?

The old and infirm aren't the ones in question OneBrightMonkey.
It is the 20-40 somethings that have been living off the government teet since they were born. The same thing their parents did. And their parents' parents'. These are the same people demanding their right to free public housing and have time to protest and go to court, but don't have the time to get a f'ing job.

tweekster: czarangelus: There is no social or institutional failures laziness in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

i worked in a trailer plant that made those pieces of shiat. honestly i'm suprised they're still standing.

seriously, u think walmart furniture is cheap?

Dr.Knockboots: There isn't much housing available or not available for a low price?

I work in a hotel - we had a guy staying from NO a couple days ago whose house got destroyed (from a fire recently, not from katrina), and he was looking for a job in my area. He said that some companies that repair houses had a backlog of a couple years. He was a foreman for a shipbuilder, and since the industry in the city was basically wiped out with the hurricane, he saw the house fire as a good opportunity to take root somewhere else. Sad stuff.

czarangelus: tweekster: czarangelus: There is no social or institutional failures laziness in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

yes because having a job at one time in your life is like Auschwitz.
Damn I always knew you were lazy but come on.

OneBrightMonkey
Yes, because everyone who lost all their earthly possesions is 25 years old and ready to launch headfirst into a new career.

Your right though, the old and infirm among the trailer residents should yank those bootstraps tight. It's the American way.

No, but the ones that are 25 and sitting on their arses collecting a check need to get to farking work.

So...this is where Fail comes to die, huh? Nothing like a bunch of armchair moralists spewing bullshiat to remind me why I don't vote RepubliRand anymore.

tweekster: czarangelus: tweekster: czarangelus: There is no social or institutional failures laziness in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

yes because having a job at one time in your life is like Auschwitz.
Damn I always knew you were lazy but come on.

Seriously. What a dumbass post. That might be a top ten...

defects: These are the same people demanding their right to free public housing and have time to protest and go to court, but don't have the time to get a f'ing job.

You're one of the "compassionate" conservatives, aren't you?

I am a person who thinks our country can afford to give a pittance to that small percentage of people that can't make a contribution to society at a level that would allow them to get paid, but to these people I say, GTFO and GBTW, or GTW if you have never had a job before.

tweekster: yes because having a job at one time in your life is like Auschwitz.
Damn I always knew you were lazy but come on.

Well, since these people are so lazy, and won't work or contribute to society... it would be perfectly appropriate to put them in work camps. It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

I ain't tripping.

czarangelus: tweekster: czarangelus: There is no social or institutional failures laziness in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

Yes, we know. Valuing hard work equates to Fascism. Oppressing the proletariat and blah blah blah...

Here in America, if you are born into poverty, it is your own fault.
I ask; why were you too lazy to be born into an affluent home?

czarangelus: tweekster: yes because having a job at one time in your life is like Auschwitz.
Damn I always knew you were lazy but come on.

Well, since these people are so lazy, and won't work or contribute to society... it would be perfectly appropriate to put them in work camps. It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

Um no, there is a moderate in between. Stop endlessly supporting people. When you set conditions that do away with the need for employment, why be employed?

So FEMA is doing this in an effort to move people into a more stable housing situation.

The street?

Good thing the democrats don't hate black people and took care of all that.

czarangelus: It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

it is?

the old crow: Yes, we know. Valuing hard work equates to Fascism. Oppressing the proletariat and blah blah blah...

Ever read Nickeled and Dimed?

czarangelus: Well, since these people are so lazy, and won't work or contribute to society... it would be perfectly appropriate to put them in work camps. It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

I think the Nazis called them "work shy"

Headso: czarangelus: It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

it is?

Don't argue he is a philosopher he knows these things.

czarangelus: There are no social or institutional failures in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

Should we honestly look to the same society or institution that caused the widespread poverty and ignorance to actually solve it?

/not being snarky
//honest question

GurneyHalleck: This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

Since when did "whitey" become a proper noun?

Wow. So what this implies is that lazy people, when given Government hand outs, tend to lack any motivation to improve their situation and will continue to suck at the Government teat for as long as it's available.

/shocked
//shocked I say

Headso

czarangelus: It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

it is?



It certainly is. Why, once those corpulent poor people start working, they begin to sweat lard, and that stuff greases a slope like nobody's business.

The answer here is obviously to put them to work in a very flat work camp - perhaps in Nebraska. With no stairs. For safety.

JackassBlack: Wow. So what this implies is that lazy people, when given Government hand outs, tend to lack any motivation to improve their situation and will continue to suck at the Government teat for as long as it's available.

You got a problem with corporate subsidies?

A little information from the perspective of a New Orleanian:

(1) Rents did spike quite high in the first year after the storm, but have now gone down substantially. They are still higher than pre-storm but probably not much >> than the rate of inflation on average. Location as always is essential: If you are renting Uptown, near the universities, I'd guess you are going to pay a lot more than you did 3 years ago- but not double, unless you are not a good shopper.

(2) FEMA trailer parks have been notorious nests of drugs and crime. They are a danger to the old people and children they are supposed to help. The security guards they hired were often in on the crime. They are worse than the projects.

(3) I want to help poor people, and certainly old people who can't work on their own. I am sick of people in their 20s and 30s who don't work and live off the government, hanging out all day long. And parents who don't see to it that their kids go to school and graduate.

(4) Anyone who tells you they can't find ANY job in New Orleans is full of shiat. The federal government ranks Orleans Parish as the nation's #1 county unit in wage growth. The average wage in New Orleans is 17% above that of the rest of the nation. Even if you have relatively few skills, if you will work hard you can find something in, say, construction. Yet I see people every day who do not work for a living; they have found some way to live off the government since Katrina.

tweekster: Um no, there is a moderate in between. Stop endlessly supporting people.

Most of the homeless people I see are farking crazy. A civil society would endlessly support them. We do not live in a civil society.

tweekster: When you set conditions that do away with the need for employment, why be employed?

When you do away with the incentives for employment (ie: reliable transportation, assurance of medical care, assurance of stable housing, et c.) why be employed?

Psycoholic_Slag: Should we honestly look to the same society or institution that caused the widespread poverty and ignorance to actually solve it?

Frankly, I think the only thing that will challenge this society and its institutions is violence. I despair of a political solution.

Give 'em the trailers. Make it the new Hattiesburg.

Seriously, do you really think the trailers are worth much after someone too lazy to find a house has been living there for two years?

defects: The old and infirm aren't the ones in question OneBrightMonkey.
It is the 20-40 somethings that have been living off the government teet since they were born. The same thing their parents did. And their parents' parents'. These are the same people demanding their right to free public housing and have time to protest and go to court, but don't have the time to get a f'ing job.

THIS.

Seriously, what part of TEMPORARY is hard to understand? And FEMA isn't even kicking them out on the street! Two years later and FEMA is still paying for their housing... that's ridiculous (with obvious expections for those who are old or infirm).

And those "high" housing prices they quoted in TFA would be a dream around here. My last two bedroom apartment was over $1500 a month and it was a 40 year old C+/B- property - which is on the low side of typical for the DC metro area.

Englebert Slaptyback: (Not that I am accusing you of such a thing)

Jew.

I like how many capitalist Americans have jumped in this thread to rightfully declare "if these people are doing nothing for society..." what? where does it say that these people have to do anything? In fact, isn't it your very own government that has encourages this "laziness"?

Why don't you get off your lazy ass and go raise awareness, funds, and/or organize a group of like-minded citizens to bring this issue to the front? You know, being a democratic gov...

oh wait my show just came on, see ya'll tommorow

czarangelus:

It's been two and a half years since Katrina. How long should the American be expected to wait for these people to get their act together?

czarangelus: tweekster: Um no, there is a moderate in between. Stop endlessly supporting people.

Most of the homeless people I see are farking crazy. A civil society would endlessly support them. We do not live in a civil society.

tweekster: When you set conditions that do away with the need for employment, why be employed?

When you do away with the incentives for employment (ie: reliable transportation, assurance of medical care, assurance of stable housing, et c.) why be employed?

Psycoholic_Slag: Should we honestly look to the same society or institution that caused the widespread poverty and ignorance to actually solve it?

Frankly, I think the only thing that will challenge this society and its institutions is violence. I despair of a political solution.

The people up for discussion in this thread were no homeless crazys.

Plus they do get endless support. all the soup they can consume.

Why be employed? well because no one else is going to take care of you. you know, almost as if you rely on yourself...

I know you wish everyone could just lay about and do nothing, but somewhere along the line someone actually has to produce the food, build the roads, perform the operations. That is almost like work.

GoldSpider: czarangelus:

It's been two and a half years since Katrina. How long should the American be expected to wait for these people to get their act together?

O BLARGAGGH, that would be American people.

czarangelus: Frankly, I think the only thing that will challenge this society and its institutions is violence. I despair of a political solution.

Read your Alinsky. "Power comes from the barrel of a gun" is an absurd rallying cry when the other side has all the guns.

You know why there's a long wait to rebuild the houses? Shortage of workers.

/just throwing gas on the flames really.

czarangelus:

Frankly, I think the only thing that will challenge this society and its institutions is violence. I despair of a political solution.

Political solution, now THAT'S an oxymoron.

/News letter
//subscription
//blah blah

chaddsfarkprefect

Englebert Slaptyback: (Not that I am accusing you of such a thing)

Jew.


o_O

GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

Whitey? Whitey?

Um, I'm curious Drew and admin/mods of Fark. Why is n**ger automatically filtered and banned as a nasty anti social word, but it's perfectly acceptable to label someone "Whitey"?
What a nasty utterance that's just as foul as the other.

GoldSpider: It's been two and a half years since Katrina. How long should the American be expected to wait for these people to get their act together?

These people are never going to "get their act together." They were educated in public schools, and lack critical thinking and predictive skills. They will never amount to anything more than the lowest rung of society based on the skills they have. So why should they get a job? Why work at McDonald's and be treated like shiat all day when you can make more money on the government dole? Why get a job at Mervyn's stocking shoes if you are never ever going to be able to use it to climb out of the pit of poverty?

Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

tweekster: The people up for discussion in this thread were no homeless crazys.

Plus they do get endless support. all the soup they can consume.

Not on my farking block.

GurneyHalleck: This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

But those of us that are 'screwing off' while at work are being paid and not living off the system.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Read your Alinsky. "Power comes from the barrel of a gun" is an absurd rallying cry when the other side has all the guns.

There are clever people in Iraq working on subverting this idea every day... everybody has a bomb under their kitchen sink.

czarangelus: There are no social or institutional failures in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

There are also no people that are to farking lazy to get off of their Maury watching ass to get out of the trailers. BTW - a large part of the social failures are due to the values of the constituents that are still living in the trailer. No snitching comes to mind.

czarangelus: Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

You do realize there is a worker shortage down there. So much of a shortage that people are coming from other parts of the country to take care of the menial skill, but very high wage jobs. Opportunity is there already. Plenty of it. they have actively ignored it for 2+ years.

'bout farking time

Englebert Slaptyback: chaddsfarkprefect

Englebert Slaptyback: (Not that I am accusing you of such a thing)

Jew.


o_O



I needed a quick slur and the History Channel was on, sorry. If Nickelodeon were on, I'd have called you something worse.

Yay! A czarangelus thread! And this time, having presumably decided that comparing employment to slavery wasn't quite melodramatic enough, he's now comparing it to the frikkin' Holocaust. What an excellent, excellent self-Godwin.

/I can has German Death Camp Socks?

DaSwankOne: BTW - a large part of the social failures are due to the values of the constituents that are still living in the trailer. No snitching comes to mind.

Uh, "no snitching" is a damn sensible policy when the police will break in your door, arrest your son for his crack pipe, throw him in a hole of rape, violence, and extremism for 2 years, and take a bunch of your shiat as "asset forfeiture" to use on their way out of the building.

czarangelus: Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

Or you can tell them "Get off your lazy ass and get to work like the rest of us, 'cause we aren't giving you another dime until you start pulling your own damn weight."

I imagine things would change, one way or another, once the checks stopped coming.

GurneyHalleck: This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

Dear Gurney,

I studied my ass off and worked hard to get a job that pays me well and allows me time to be a armchair social engineer. Maybe if the ghetto culture did not dis anyone that worked hard and got an education these people could be sitting in my chair biatching about how lazy the Canadians are.

DaSwankOne

czarangelus: DaSwankOne: BTW - a large part of the social failures are due to the values of the constituents that are still living in the trailer. No snitching comes to mind.

Uh, "no snitching" is a damn sensible policy when the police will break in your door, arrest your son for his crack pipe, throw him in a hole of rape, violence, and extremism for 2 years, and take a bunch of your shiat as "asset forfeiture" to use on their way out of the building.

Arrest the son that was involved in a drive by shooting that killed a 3 year old girl.

Oh wait that is milwaukee, where snitches get stitches is alive and well. And biatching the police cant find the murderer of said 3 year is alive and well too.

/rant on

Not all of the Katrina victims/refugees/whatever they wanna be called this week are able to work. They may be old, handicapped, whatever.

However, there are those that have been riding the gravy train of opportunity for over 2 years now at the expense of taxpayers.

I offer these able bodied yet lazy citizens two choices:

1) Get off your lazy ass and get a friggin job and support yourself like a responsible person
2) Give me your social security number and let me claim you as a dependent on my tax return next year.

The choice is yours.

/end off

Jeebus, doesn't anyone on Fark actually read the linked articles??

"Residents were given at least 60 days notice, and FEMA is offering rental assistance to those living in the trailers, he said."

They're still going to be on the dole, and certainly not homeless.

GurneyHalleck: This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

GoldSpider: Or you can tell them "Get off your lazy ass and get to work like the rest of us, 'cause we aren't giving you another dime until you start pulling your own damn weight."

Because that's worked every other time it's tried.

Consequentialism. My idea works, yours doesn't. I don't care about the relative ideology or methodology behind them; let's go with the working idea instead.

GoldSpider: I imagine things would change, one way or another, once the checks stopped coming.

Uhm, yeah, things would change: they'd get more violent, turn increasingly to things like cooking meth, and ultimately collapse any community in a dozen miles of them. Not a good idea.

I know, I know - who wants to pay to bus these po' lazy motherfarkers to night school? I'll bet they're black too. Let them stay in their trailers indefinitely if they show up to class a reasonable number of days. Teach them all the shiat they never learned - basic personal economics, managing expenses, how to advance in the business world, how to start their own businesses. Give them a decent wage (not depressed by all the illegals) for their work, reward them for participating in the broader society.

czarangelus: teach them

Not every poor person is poor because of societal issues or because of lack of opportunity.

"I can't afford to make idle people merry. My taxes go to
support the prisons and the workhouses, and those who are
badly off must go there."

/'tis the season and all...

czarangelus: Uh, "no snitching" is a damn sensible policy when the police will break in your door, arrest your son for his crack pipe, throw him in a hole of rape, violence, and extremism for 2 years, and take a bunch of your shiat as "asset forfeiture" to use on their way out of the building.

How about a culture where you don't allow your kids to have a crack pipe or get in trouble with the law? That might be a nice change. I have a steadfast way for blacks to quit getting their doors knocked in or gettting the snot beat out of them. When a police officer comes to your door open it. When he says to get down and put your hands behind your back you do it and don't run. Problem solved.

I don't understand why they are trying to kick people out of these shiat hole trailers when all they are going to do with them is let them pile up and rot somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I mean they are probably unhealthy (new window) to be living in anyway, but what are they going to do with them when they kick everyone out?

Instead of having people live in them, the government will just pay someone to let the trailers sit on their land unused and then pay people to "inspect and maintain" them (let them sit and rot). (new window)

Might as well let these people have the trailers, it's cheaper than the government trying to maintain them.

czarangelus: tweekster: Um no, there is a moderate in between. Stop endlessly supporting people.

Most of the homeless people I see are farking crazy. A civil society would endlessly support them. We do not live in a civil society.

Sure we do. We just don't live in a civil society as defined by your personal definition. The problem, here, is that your definition is faulty.

When you do away with the incentives for employment (ie: reliable transportation, assurance of medical care, assurance of stable housing, et c.) why be employed?

If the dole provides all those things if I do nothing at all, plus food besides, what need is their to be anything more? By your own admission ages ago on the forum, you don't really want to work, but you feel you have to. I wonder why you feel you have to?

Thing is you can't help people who don't want help. If all they want is a handout then that is all you can ever give them.

birdmanesq: Good thing for them that their homes are on wheels.

/Picks up stakes.
//Rolls on down the line.
///Establishes residence at next trailer park.

Very witty comment, but FEMA is taking their wheeled homes from them.

DaSwankOne: How about a culture where you don't allow your kids to have a crack pipe or get in trouble with the law?

Because I'm sure half of America's white college students haven't smuggled weed through their parents' house over summer break.

DaSwankOne: When a police officer comes to your door open it.

Because I'm sure he's going to politely knock, and respond calmly if you refuse him entry without a warrant.

DaSwankOne: When he says to get down and put your hands behind your back you do it and don't run. Problem solved.

Everybody runs.

Then they have to go through all the trouble of getting the address changed on their welfare checks...

GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

Whitey? Whitey?

Um, I'm curious Drew and admin/mods of Fark. Why is n**ger automatically filtered and banned as a nasty anti social word, but it's perfectly acceptable to label someone "Whitey"?
What a nasty utterance that's just as foul as the other.GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.


Cuz then I'd be filtered

The_Gallant_Gallstone Quote 2007-11-29 05:03:20 PM
JackassBlack: Lazy people ... sucking at the Government teat ...
You got a problem with corporate subsidies?

I do actually. Next question?

fark you judgmental assholes. Oh yes, all poor people are just lazy. If only they were hard working like me. Let's dump half the ocean on your city, kill a bunch of your neighbors and see how soon you bounce back, you hard workers.

czarangelus: Because that's worked every other time it's tried.

And when was that?

Teach them all the shiat they never learned - basic personal economics, managing expenses, how to advance in the business world, how to start their own businesses.

That sounds all well and good, but you can't force someone to give a shiat. Now offer such education instead of checks, and we might get somewhere. At the very least we would separate the underprivileged from the truly lazy.

ReisFlynn: By your own admission ages ago on the forum, you don't really want to work, but you feel you have to.

Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane people want to do with their time.

czarangelus: Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

You do realize there is a worker shortage down there. So much of a shortage that people are coming from other parts of the country to take care of the menial skill, but very high wage jobs. Opportunity is there already. Plenty of it. they have actively ignored it for 2+ years.

Reposting this since you conveniently missed it.

czarangelus: These people are never going to "get their act together." They were educated in public schools, and lack critical thinking and predictive skills. They will never amount to anything more than the lowest rung of society based on the skills they have. So why should they get a job? Why work at McDonald's and be treated like shiat all day when you can make more money on the government dole? Why get a job at Mervyn's stocking shoes if you are never ever going to be able to use it to climb out of the pit of poverty?

Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

Or we could just take away the sit on your dole option. That seems like a much better idea to me. However if you do ever start paying these people $40K a year let me know so I can go to the ghetto and open up DaSwankOne's - home of lotto tickets, malt liquor, jerseys and rims.

DaSwankOne: There are also no people that are to farking lazy to get off of their Maury watching ass to get out of the trailers. BTW - a large part of the social failures are due to the values of the constituents that are still living in the trailer. No snitching comes to mind.

Do those "values" form in a void? I think people think that way because they believe (rightly) that American society doesn't care about them. "Stop Snitching" being a prime example. Ask yourself why many inner-city people are loathe to cooperate with police. It isn't because 50 Cent told them not to.

czarangelus: Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane people want to do with their time.

I like to build things. That almost sounds like work

mrjared: fark you judgmental assholes. Oh yes, all poor people are just lazy. If only they were hard working like me. Let's dump half the ocean on your city, kill a bunch of your neighbors and see how soon you bounce back, you hard workers.

Hello again, friend! :) But seriously, what do you suppose is keeping all of these people from taking advantage of the HUGE labor shortage in N.O.?

mrjared: fark you judgmental assholes. Oh yes, all poor people are just lazy. If only they were hard working like me. Let's dump half the ocean on your city, kill a bunch of your neighbors and see how soon you bounce back, you hard workers.

I lost my car and a lot of furniture in Tropical Storm Allison and somehow I managed to make it in to work that Monday.

This is too hilarious - so many comments about how lazy all of "those" people are, from a bunch of folks who probably should be working right now instead of reading Fark. So since you're being paid, you're inherently not lazy, and better than the people you're disparaging?

/why don't you earn your pay, corporate welfare recipients!?
//getting back to work now

hahah fark filters ni@@ers but not whitey!

czarangelus: Well, since these people are so lazy, and won't work or contribute to society... it would be perfectly appropriate to put them in work camps. It's a well-greased slope from "poor people are lazy!" to "send them to 'work camps.'"

You should ask Stetson for a refund. They obviously failed to educate you properly. What kind of Philosophy major doesn't know that the slippery-slope is a logical fallacy?

GoldSpider: Hello again, friend! :) But seriously, what do you suppose is keeping all of these people from taking advantage of the HUGE labor shortage in N.O.?

I have noticed a trend in this thread, people seem to be ignoring that fact. Because it totally destroys their theory. czars been called on that twice now.

czarangelus

Because I'm sure half of America's white college students haven't smuggled weed through their parents' house over summer break.

Yup, those freaking stoners have been shooting up our neighborhood for years. They think they're flossing with their tied dyed shirts and dead head sticker on the Broncos lounging in their Northface jackets.

Gang banging hippies...they should all die.

/Got nothing, but the image of a gangster hippie kind of made me laugh a little

DaSwankOne: Or we could just take away the sit on your dole option. That seems like a much better idea to me.

Do you know what happens sooner or later to a "capitalist" society that permits the severe inequality of wealth, to the point of which millions of people go hungry while a handful of elites live in unfathomable, unlimited wealth? Economic crash and those elites getting their heads put on poles.

DaSwankOne: I can go to the ghetto and open up DaSwankOne's - home of lotto tickets, malt liquor, jerseys and rims.

Really? Sounds stupid, until you realize that white people spend their money on shiat like $5 lattes, Microsoft's Zune, and, apparently, Head-On (apply directly to the forehead!)

ignoti: You should ask Stetson for a refund. They obviously failed to educate you properly. What kind of Philosophy major doesn't know that the slippery-slope is a logical fallacy?

Good thing I was making a comparative, rather than logical, argument.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Do those "values" form in a void? I think people think that way because they believe (rightly) that American society doesn't care about them. "Stop Snitching" being a prime example. Ask yourself why many inner-city people are loathe to cooperate with police. It isn't because 50 Cent told them not to.

There a millions of working class black people in this country. They may not live in a great nieghborhood and they might have trouble getting ahead. These people have very strong values and work ethics. They do not run from the police and would help find some one that killed a 3 year old girl. There are surrounded by a bunch of useless shiatty people and we need to find a way to help pull those who are working to help themselves out of poverty. Fark the rest.

czarangelus: ReisFlynn: By your own admission ages ago on the forum, you don't really want to work, but you feel you have to.

Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane people want to do with their time.

Actually, some of us do desire to better ourselves by our own efforts, surprisingly. I am acutely uncomfortable an ill at ease if at least a certain percentage of my day is not put to some productive end.

But you've hit exactly the problem!

Lets say that (using your definition of the word) 50% of the world is "sane". Should we simply pay 50% of the people to do nothing productive and consume resources? What about 60% of the population? 70%? 80%? Where does this money come from?

Egalitarianism carried to the extreme you propose is self-destructive. The majority of the population needs to work to allow a minority of the population to live on the dole. The theory doesn't work in reverse.

This thread has been a great read with all the lucid and passionate arguments on both sides of the fence. I applaud you all. You have really made me think of both sides of the issue.

Just kidding. I can't stop laughing at "they should be made into mulch". +1 Dr Knockboots

DaSwankOne

I lost my car and a lot of furniture in Tropical Storm Allison and somehow I managed to make it in to work that Monday.


Will the TSA never stop causing trouble???

whitey_d

I was trying to think of snark but he just tee'd that one up for you. Well done, cracka.

Question

Anyone bookmark a thread were Czarangelus & Tatsuma get into it?

/that'd be fun to look over
//would need some popcorn though

stonecyffer: This is too hilarious - so many comments about how lazy all of "those" people are, from a bunch of folks who probably should be working right now instead of reading Fark. So since you're being paid, you're inherently not lazy, and better than the people you're disparaging?

/why don't you earn your pay, corporate welfare recipients!?
//getting back to work now

I already put in my 9 hours today, then I get to stay at work for 24 hours tomorrow.. and I couldn't even get onto fark if I wanted to while I am at work. Sorry if I don't feel pity for people who didn't evacuate their uninsured homes while a category 5 hurricane was coming right at them and are now taking their free ride as far as it will take them.

But hey, at least you aren't criticizing people for generalizing others while you do the same thing, huh? Oh... wait, never mind.

icstepec: Question

Anyone bookmark a thread were Czarangelus & Tatsuma get into it?

/that'd be fun to look over
//would need some popcorn though

That happens every week.
Someone even photoshopped a poster. "Kid Lenin from Jenin"

ReisFlynn: Lets say that (using your definition of the word) 50% of the world is "sane". Should we simply pay 50% of the people to do nothing productive and consume resources? What about 60% of the population? 70%? 80%? Where does this money come from?

Let's ask this question a different way. How many man hours of labor would it take for every American to have a basic level of food, clothing, shelter, running water and electricity, et c.? Probably only a tiny fraction of the amount of time Americans actually spend working. If we focused our energy on assuring the basics for everyone, and then letting people freely choose how to occupy the rest of their time, we could be living what I would consider a much higher standard of life. The fact is, almost all American labor goes to producing useless items, advertising useless items, shipping useless items, selling useless items, and collecting debts for useless items. We fill our lives with ridiculous material things to make up for the fact that we've lost almost everything else; what makes us unique and human.

czarangelus: Good thing I was making a comparative, rather than logical, argument.

You weren't, though. You didn't compare wanting people to work to nazi death camps, you stated that wanting people to work means pretty soon we'll want them in a death camp.

czarangelus: ReisFlynn: Lets say that (using your definition of the word) 50% of the world is "sane". Should we simply pay 50% of the people to do nothing productive and consume resources? What about 60% of the population? 70%? 80%? Where does this money come from?

Let's ask this question a different way. How many man hours of labor would it take for every American to have a basic level of food, clothing, shelter, running water and electricity, et c.? Probably only a tiny fraction of the amount of time Americans actually spend working. If we focused our energy on assuring the basics for everyone, and then letting people freely choose how to occupy the rest of their time, we could be living what I would consider a much higher standard of life. The fact is, almost all American labor goes to producing useless items, advertising useless items, shipping useless items, selling useless items, and collecting debts for useless items. We fill our lives with ridiculous material things to make up for the fact that we've lost almost everything else; what makes us unique and human.

in NO, probably about 20 since the labor shortage has raised the level of pay. you hate to acknowledge that dont you.

The people in New Orleans just dont like Chinese torture socks.

tweekster: in NO, probably about 20 since the labor shortage has raised the level of pay. you hate to acknowledge that dont you.

I suppose the army of union organizers sent down there had nothing to do with that one.

whitey_d: GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

Whitey? Whitey?

Um, I'm curious Drew and admin/mods of Fark. Why is n**ger automatically filtered and banned as a nasty anti social word, but it's perfectly acceptable to label someone "Whitey"?
What a nasty utterance that's just as foul as the other.GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.


Cuz then I'd be filtered

That and "attractive and successful caucasian would be kinda redundant. ;o)

Although, attractive and successful causcasian_d does have a ring to it. :^)

GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.
Yes, it's all whitey in this thread. Are you suggesting that there are no black people who are hardworking and proud? You're a racist piece of crap.

We shall define the term n***er to mean somebody like yourself, rather than just an abusive term for a black person, it refers to a race baiting black person who keeps on blaming whitey rather than themselves for being a drug pushing welfare loser.

UHC2005: whitey_d: GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.

Whitey? Whitey?

Um, I'm curious Drew and admin/mods of Fark. Why is n**ger automatically filtered and banned as a nasty anti social word, but it's perfectly acceptable to label someone "Whitey"?
What a nasty utterance that's just as foul as the other.GurneyHalleck
This is great. A thread full of Whitey screwing off on Fark talking about how lazy "those" people are. As if every detail of the circumstances of "those" people were somehow known. I suspect you "hard working," armchair social engineers won't be disappointed when Whitey takes over all the land and houses and make it yet another playground for the "hard working" rich.


Cuz then I'd be filtered

That and "attractive and successful caucasian would be kinda redundant. ;o)

Although, attractive and successful causcasian_d does have a ring to it. :^)

caucasian even.

/FTFM

Keep the trailers and stay on the welfare. Just donate your testicles or ovaries and we'll call it even.

I know n**ger is banned from Fark, but what about n**gah?

czarangelus: Do you know what happens sooner or later to a "capitalist" society that permits the severe inequality of wealth, to the point of which millions of people go hungry while a handful of elites live in unfathomable, unlimited wealth? Economic crash and those elites getting their heads put on poles.

So you are saying the rich are being "black" mailed and there is nothing they can do about it. BTW - we are allowing millions of immigrants to come into this country because we have a lack of workers. If someone goes hungry they will be too lazy revolt. The elite know this.

Really? Sounds stupid, until you realize that white people spend their money on shiat like $5 lattes, Microsoft's Zune, and, apparently, Head-On (apply directly to the forehead!)

The difference is the these white people have disposable income.

jackbooty: Sorry if I don't feel pity for people who didn't evacuate their uninsured homes while a category 5 hurricane was coming right at them and are now taking their free ride as far as it will take them.

I accept your apology for not pitying poor people who can't afford home insurance or a car to get them the heck out of town. I know many people like that, and I don't live anywhere near New Orleans.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: I know n**ger is banned from Fark, but what about n**gah?

The filter kicks in anytime that string of characters is detected. regardless of whether it is asdfsdfsdfasdfn*****asdfdasf

It seems to do that for other words, its quite funny sometimes because shiat is part of another word, but now spelled with an a

The_Gallant_Gallstone: I know n**ger is banned from Fark, but what about n**gah?

DRO is on here all the time

For czar's efforts.

czarangelus: Let's ask this question a different way. How many man hours of labor would it take for every American to have a basic level of food, clothing, shelter, running water and electricity, et c.?

But that isn't practical unless you want to dictate /every/ facet of a person's life from cradle to grave. Where they live. What they learn. Where they work. Otherwise you don't have a nice little distribution of people who are exactly skilled enough to do their assigned allotment to keep society in your vision of perfect harmony. Of course, it wouldn't be harmonious anyways... short term it would be utterly stagnant, long term it would crumble. Bridges don't get built by people working an hour a day. People don't get taught in a school that runs for an hour a day. Hospitals don't get staffed by surgeons who only operate on a person for an hour a day. An equitable sharing of labor broadly across society is not feasible in the long run, and in the short run needs absolute totalitarianism to achieve.

rabidferret: For czar's efforts.

Ehh...czar is like this all the time...workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains...blah, blah, blah...torture socks...blah

tweekster: in NO, probably about 20 since the labor shortage has raised the level of pay. you hate to acknowledge that dont you.

Given what happened last time there were black people in large numbers in New Orleans...

DaSwankOne: BTW - we are allowing millions of immigrants to come into this country because we have a lack of workers.

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE!

"We" (the government, the people hate it) are allowing millions of illegals in to depress the wages of citizens, forcing them to work harder for less. If you don't see how illegal immigration benefits the elite while damaging the middle and lower classes... then you're simply deluded. Americans would pick lettuce for $20 an hour. They'd clean toilets for $12 an hour. It's just people like you who hate the idea of wages for the average American being forced up by a stabilization of the labor market, because deep in your black little heart you know it would reduce your purchasing power.

tweekster: It seems to do that for other words, its quite funny sometimes because shiat is part of another word, but now spelled with an a

It also works when you spell words in reverse, and if you've got spaces involved. Which makes talking about, say, the firstnooclear reactor, difficult.

czarangelus: tweekster: in NO, probably about 20 since the labor shortage has raised the level of pay. you hate to acknowledge that dont you.

Given what happened last time there were black people in large numbers in New Orleans...

AND? Right now there is a massive labor shortage , there has been since these people moved into the damn trailers. They would get paid way more than they need for the basics, even be able to have some luxuries, for menial labor anyone can do.

But instead they have chosen to not work, not do anything except suck from the govt tit.

Golden oppurtunity yet no takers.

czarangelus:

Good thing I was making a comparative, rather than logical, argument.

Because obviously, there are different categories of arguments, and some of them don't require any logic whatsoever so long as you are going for comparisons. How convenient.

ReisFlynn: But that isn't practical unless you want to dictate /every/ facet of a person's life from cradle to grave. Where they live. What they learn.

Pretty much already happens. Of course, in this case, the people who lead things want us fat, stupid, and compliant.

ReisFlynn: Otherwise you don't have a nice little distribution of people who are exactly skilled enough to do their assigned allotment to keep society in your vision of perfect harmony.

It used to be in this country if your granddad was a silversmith and your dad was a silversmith, there's a pretty good idea of what you're going to be too. That's why so many last names are derived from jobs. Of course, this wasn't entirely set in stone, but you have to work harder if there's something else that really lights your passion.

ReisFlynn: short term it would be utterly stagnant, long term it would crumble.

Just like the I-35?

I do, however, believe in counting maintanence costs in the overall labor calculation. Solar cells will expire, pipes will burst, facades need to be repainted, and so on. That requires a certain amount of directed industrial capacity.

I'd like to see more unionization in the American work force. A strong labor movement would be a good counterbalance to the corporate dominance we endure today.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: I'd like to see more unionization in the American work force. A strong labor movement would be a good counterbalance to the corporate dominance we endure today.

And what about those that dont want to be a part of one?

Hetfield: Because obviously, there are different categories of arguments, and some of them don't require any logic whatsoever so long as you are going for comparisons. How convenient.

There are different categories of arguments. In fact, I'd say that logical thinking is one of the least useful and employed thinking methodology. If your girlfriend says she's cold, you turn up the heat, you don't say "prove it." Logic is a method of thinking that is only useful in a handful of contexts; far fewer contexts than you will deal with in the average day.

czarangelus: Americans would pick lettuce for $20 an hour. They'd clean toilets for $12 an hour. It's just people like you who hate the idea of wages for the average American being forced up by a stabilization of the labor market, because deep in your black little heart you know it would reduce your purchasing power.

Actually, rising costs would hurt the poor far more than the middle class and the rich. If costs increase, businesses will increase their prices. Some middle class will be forced into the lower class, but skilled workers will see their income increase to match the inflation. You should be thanking those undocumented workers for providing you with cheap, nutritious food instead of demonizing them for being willing to work harder for less money than you are.

czarangelus: In fact, I'd say that logical thinking is one of the least useful and employed thinking methodology.

That about sums you up.
Your posts start to make more sense when I am doing shots of chinese torture vodka.

tweekster: And what about those that dont want to be a part of one?

Well, if someone doesn't want to work for a union shop, they can find an unscrupulous employer to screw them. There's no law against masochism.

czarangelus: The fact is, almost all American labor goes to producing useless items, advertising useless items, shipping useless items, selling useless items, and collecting debts for useless items. We fill our lives with ridiculous material things to make up for the fact that we've lost almost everything else; what makes us unique and human.

The fact is most American labor goes to producing products that make life better for the rest of the world. China and third world countries are the ones that build the useless items we collect.

That being said, I really feel sorry for you. You really feel like you have lost everything? Dude I have a great family, good friends, a moderately priced mid century built house. I am never hungry unless I am just to busy to eat. Hell in fact I could stand to lose a few pounds. I work a job crunching numbers, breaking the monotony online, and for my 40 or so hours I get a decent pay check. If I am sick I can go to the doctor and they have medicine that can help me live three times longer than people did a couple of generations ago. To top it off I have enough disposable income where every once in a while I can pay someone to cook a meal for me. I even have money left over for a good six pack of beer or a stiff cocktail. Life is farking good. Could things be better. Sure. But I am grateful for how good I have it. You on the other hand seem to always focus on how bad you have it. That must really suck.

ignoti: Actually, rising costs would hurt the poor far more than the middle class and the rich.

No it won't, because they will be able to demand their rightful wage when not competing against illegal labor that will work for next to nothing.

ignoti: Some middle class will be forced into the lower class, but skilled workers will see their income increase to match the inflation.

It won't be able to increase to former parity due to a normalization of labor costs throughout the economy.

ignoti: You should be thanking those undocumented workers for providing you with cheap, nutritious food instead of demonizing them for being willing to work harder for less money than you are.

You're a farking idiot. I don't blame the Mexicans for wanting to work for a better life. I do blame American companies for breaking the law multiple times to hire them, deny them equal benefits, and pay them less than minimum wage. I want food that comes at market price without having that cost depressed by lawbreakers!

fernt: Damn you subby...now I have that horrendous song "Closing Time" in my head.


GET THE fark OUT OF HERE!

czarangelus: LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE!

"We" (the government, the people hate it) are allowing millions of illegals in to depress the wages of citizens, forcing them to work harder for less. If you don't see how illegal immigration benefits the elite while damaging the middle and lower classes... then you're simply deluded. Americans would pick lettuce for $20 an hour. They'd clean toilets for $12 an hour. It's just people like you who hate the idea of wages for the average American being forced up by a stabilization of the labor market, because deep in your black little heart you know it would reduce your purchasing power.

I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but not all immigrants are illegal. Also if some dude is going to get paid $40K for picking lettuce then it will trickle up and I will probably make well into the 6 figures and you will still complain that $40K is not enough. It is all relative.

DaSwankOne: You really feel like you have lost everything?

I've lost huge amounts of time, and I've lost freedom of thought. I have to contort my consciousness in bizarre, repetitive patterns for very little relative compensation.

DaSwankOne: I work a job crunching numbers, breaking the monotony online, and for my 40 or so hours I get a decent pay check.

And isn't it horrible?

DaSwankOne: You on the other hand seem to always focus on how bad you have it. That must really suck.

There was a really great Slate link on the power of negative thinking, but I can't find it... long story short, there need to be both optimists and pessimists.

kilgorn: You won't be able to blast them out of those trailers now

God is loading up his tornado gun as we type...

/God hates trailer parks.

tweekster: Damn I always knew you were lazy but come on.

Job:the person in question::Kryptonite:Superman.

czarangelus: No it won't, because they will be able to demand their rightful wage when not competing against illegal labor that will work for next to nothing.

Dude immigrants are being paid a fair market wage. They don't travel thousands of miles and leave their families for next to nothing. Go to a day labor site and offer anyone there less than $10 an hour tax free. I bet there won't be many takers.

Of course the affluent who benefit from "undocumented workers" will be the first to join the Minuteman bandwagon once they start organizing for American-style wages and benefits.

czarangelus: .

There are different categories of arguments. In fact, I'd say that logical thinking is one of the least useful and employed thinking methodology. If your girlfriend says she's cold, you turn up the heat, you don't say "prove it." Logic is a method of thinking that is only useful in a handful of contexts; far fewer contexts than you will deal with in the average day.

Okay, let me get this straight: You have just tried to use a poor attempt at logic in order to convince me that logic is not really useful. Brilliant!

Allow me to summarise: You don't really appreciate fatcs or details, and you're no fan of logic either. I get it.

czarangelus: And isn't it horrible?

Not when you are in teh top 15% of income earners

czarangelus: ReisFlynn: But that isn't practical unless you want to dictate /every/ facet of a person's life from cradle to grave. Where they live. What they learn.

Pretty much already happens. Of course, in this case, the people who lead things want us fat, stupid, and compliant.

Bzzzzt, fail, sorry. I'm not sure you have any concept of the level of totalitarian control that would be needed for your "vision". No, it is not "pretty much what already happens".

ReisFlynn: Otherwise you don't have a nice little distribution of people who are exactly skilled enough to do their assigned allotment to keep society in your vision of perfect harmony.

It used to be in this country if your granddad was a silversmith and your dad was a silversmith, there's a pretty good idea of what you're going to be too. That's why so many last names are derived from jobs. Of course, this wasn't entirely set in stone, but you have to work harder if there's something else that really lights your passion.

Um. First of all, no. Professions turning into surnames mostly predates this country. Your timeline is off.

And do you know why this was? Because there was little to no education available for the majority of the population beyond (maybe) the very basic stuff except what you could get as an apprentice.

But that period in history has about as much to do with the last couple centuries as balancing the bodies humors has to do with modern medicine, so I'm not sure what your point is. It's certainly not what we have now, and even more certainly it would play no part of your "vision", so...

I do, however, believe in counting maintanence costs in the overall labor calculation. Solar cells will expire, pipes will burst, facades need to be repainted, and so on. That requires a certain amount of directed industrial capacity.

The problem is, "directed industrial capacity" is an impossibility in a society where people work an hour or two a day.

Hetfield: Okay, let me get this straight: You have just tried to use a poor attempt at logic in order to convince me that logic is not really useful. Brilliant!

Fundamental premise of logic: ~(A*~A)

Please apply that to this discussion. Show your work.

DaSwankOne: Dude immigrants are being paid a fair market wage. They don't travel thousands of miles and leave their families for next to nothing. Go to a day labor site and offer anyone there less than $10 an hour tax free. I bet there won't be many takers.

When employers break the law, it's bad for society. When corporations break the law, it's bad for society. How can you Jackboots be all for castrating and hanging rapists but against making corporations even wave at the law in a friendly fashion?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Of course the affluent who benefit from "undocumented workers" will be the first to join the Minuteman bandwagon once they start organizing for American-style wages and benefits.

Heh I could easily see a civil war starting from a situation like that. The Day Without a Mexican protests were just a hint of what a real, organized movement could do. Another reason we ought to pay legal workers market wages.

Hetfield: Okay, let me get this straight: You have just tried to use a poor attempt at logic in order to convince me that logic is not really useful. Brilliant!

The deification of Reason is a pointless endeavor.

It's useful, but limited.

czarangelus: Pretty much already happens. Of course, in this case, the people who lead things want us fat, stupid, and compliant.

Yeah, I had absolutely no choice of careers. I didn't choose what city to live in (or whether to live in a proper city at all). I don't have any discretion about what I'm going to have for dinner tonight, or whether I should get another job (or go into business for myself). My opinion about what I should wear is irrelevant, it's government issued olive green jumpsuits for all, of course. I have no control about when or how many children I have, which church (or other religious institution, or nothing) I go to. It's not like I had any input about who I'd marry -- the government arranged it when I was 6. When I get home, I don't have a choice of watching television, playing a game, reading a book, having sex, baiting czarangelus, going out to dinner, drinking vast quantities of vodak, or simply sleeping -- it's all planned out in the manual. And of course, I can't vote, donate money to my preferred candidates and causes, or express my opinions on the interwebs.

Yeah, my life has been completely controlled by Big Brother since I was born. Obviously.

czarangelus: Hetfield: Okay, let me get this straight: You have just tried to use a poor attempt at logic in order to convince me that logic is not really useful. Brilliant!

Fundamental premise of logic: ~(A*~A)

Please apply that to this discussion. Show your work.


Impossible. Facts, details and logic suck, and I would hate to burden this thread with useless dead freight.

SusanIvanova: Yeah, my life has been completely controlled by Big Brother since I was born. Obviously.

Wrong dystopian novel.

We're more along the lines of "Brave New World"

Orwell wrote the better novel, but Huxley was closer to the mark.

I left Louisiana and most of what I owned over two years ago. I now have a great IT job and a five-bedroom house on Long Island, NY (rental for now). Took me a whole 10 days to get a job. Suck it 9th Ward.

THE NEW, NEW ORLEANS


Mission Accomplished?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Orwell wrote the better novel, but Huxley was closer to the mark.

Of course, we see nothing usual in having most of the population on Zoloft or Prozac and a prison population 4x greater than China...

NathanielTaggart: I left Louisiana and most of what I owned over two years ago. I now have a great IT job and a five-bedroom house on Long Island, NY (rental for now). Took me a whole 10 days to get a job. Suck it 9th Ward.

Of course, on the downside, you live in New York.

/would rather live in a shack in the bayou and poach alligator for my dinner than live in NY.

NathanielTaggart

Looks like us Ayn Rand inspired handles are taking over Fark.

Too bad I can't stand her.

I was doing a crossword yesterday and one of the clues said something like Advice from FEMA. My first thought was "nothing." (Turned out to be "evac.")

czarangelus: The_Gallant_Gallstone: Orwell wrote the better novel, but Huxley was closer to the mark.

Of course, we see nothing usual in having most of the population on Zoloft or Prozac and a prison population 4x greater than China...

Yeah, China has a wonderful solution to prison over-crowding, alright. (new window)

And a much better novel to talk about an over-medicated society is The Corrections, by Johnathan Franzen.

Savage Belief: OneBrightMonkey
Yes, because everyone who lost all their earthly possesions is 25 years old and ready to launch headfirst into a new career.

Your right though, the old and infirm among the trailer residents should yank those bootstraps tight. It's the American way.

No, but the ones that are 25 and sitting on their arses collecting a check need to get to farking work.

Quite a few of those 25 y/o's sitting on their arses don't have FARKING LEGS.

/including my brother, that lives down there and lost his legs there due to Katrina.

would rather live in a shack in the bayou and poach alligator for my dinner than live in NY.

Geaux Tigers! I do miss the cuisine and the freedom to carry a gun, but not much else.

/hates redneck
//N-O-T-H-I-N-G

The_Gallant_Gallstone: tweekster: And what about those that dont want to be a part of one?

Well, if someone doesn't want to work for a union shop, they can find an unscrupulous employer to screw them. There's no law against masochism.

I would just rather work for a company that doesnt screw me. Oh wait that is what I do now. It isnt hard. I would never work in a union shop, we have enough organized crime as it is.

So, WWtPBB is off today and czarangelus is filling in?

Quite a few of those 25 y/o's sitting on their arses don't have FARKING LEGS.

/including my brother, that lives down there and lost his legs there due to Katrina.

Maybe if he used his legs to get out the way, he still might have them.

i was gonna get a job, but then i got high
i was gonna move outta my fema trailer, but then i got high
now im crying racism and i know why
cause i get high....cause i get high.....cause i get hiiiiiigh


/la da da da da dahh

ReisFlynn: Yeah, China has a wonderful solution to prison over-crowding, alright.

I'm pretty sure czar wasn't advocating mobile death vans.

We're concerned with the root of the crime problem; some criminals are probably born that way, but too many take to crime because they are in an awful situation. It wasn't for nothing that Virgil told Dante that despair was a worse sin than any other.

What we need to do as a society is to provide real programs to get people the vocational training they'll need before they wind up in the criminal-justice vortex.

czarangelus: How many man hours of labor would it take for every American to have a basic level of food, clothing, shelter, running water and electricity, et c.? Probably only a tiny fraction of the amount of time Americans actually spend working

I would really like to see czar produce what he needs to exist on. I would like to see him, build his own home, produce his own clothes, food etc. Some how I expect he would change his mind about 40 hour work week being sooo long. Lets see him do 12 hours a day just trying to survive. no weekends off of course.

Yay! Another race thread!

From my observation, it seems to be largely a matter of the monumental incompetence of the federal, state and local govt. (in New Orleans at least, may be similar elsewhere). From a USA Today story from August 29, 2007:

Two years after the devastating floods that followed Hurricane Katrina, the rebuilding of New Orleans, and much of the Gulf Coast, has largely taken two paths: communities that have rebuilt themselves using private funds, insurance money and sheer will - and publicly funded efforts that have moved much more slowly.

Federal, state and local governments have struggled to speed up the release of funds and restore infrastructure. None of the 115 "critical priority projects" identified by city officials has been completed: For example, New Orleans' police superintendent still works out of a trailer, as do most of the city's firefighters. And analysts at the city's crime lab don't have a laboratory to match DNA samples.

Emergency federal funding is governed by the Stafford Act, whose rules require cities and states to match a certain percentage of federal disaster funds. The U.S. government quickly waived the match requirement after previous disasters, such as Hurricane Andrew in South Florida in 1992 and the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office.
But the match requirement - 10% in the case of the 2005 storms - wasn't waived for post-Katrina recovery and rebuilding until May, delaying many projects.

"If you ask the city, it's the state. If you ask the state, it's the feds. If you ask the feds, it's the city and the state," says Angele Givens, president of the Gentilly Civic Improvement Association.

Me again. So if govt offices in NO are still operating out of trailers, what does that tell you about the po' folk? Not saying no one in FEMA trailers is a lazy-ass, just saying, if the govt. can't get its shiat built yet, how are people who lived in the poorest sections of the city supposed to make it happen? Yeah, they could move to another part of the country, but maybe they don't want to. Maybe their entire family is in NO. Saying, "Just move someplace else" is way easier to say than do.

And I like that song, "Closing Time." It rocks.

tweekster: I would just rather work for a company that doesnt screw me. Oh wait that is what I do now. It isnt hard. I would never work in a union shop, we have enough organized crime as it is.

People organizing for better wages isn't the same as Tony Soprano putting out a hit on some sap. But even if it were, I'd rather subject myself to the gangster who had to fight for me once in a while over Enron-style sociopaths.

Aside from the laziness which some farkers consider phenotypical, I'm sure that some people have serious mental issues that really prevent them from having any drive or ambition, due to the fact that everything they ever acquired in their lives washed away overnight. The saddest thing about it is that the whole mess could have been prevented. Well, I guess it couldn't since God hates Catholics and all, but it could have been managed better.

tweekster: no weekends off of course.

Who gave us the two-day weekend?

This is repeated EVERY time after FEMA and state governments come in to provide assistance after a disaster. Initially everyone gets help because they can't sort out who deserves it or not.

After a while, the people who make an effort to adapt and move on and build a new life go on their way, as intended.

Then you're left with the leeches and the hopeless. Those who either have it better in the trailer than they had before, or who insist that they DESERVE everything back exactly the way it was and refuse to accept anything less or different. They turn around and try to blackmail the government that helped them in extremis in order to extend their free stay, and try to keep it going forever. Eventually you just have to tell them to STFU and get off the government lawn.

They're not TRYING to move on - they're trying to string out the benefits as long as possible.

czarangelus: There are no social or institutional failures in America leading to widespread poverty, ignorance, and disenfranchisement.

Oh, I wouldn't call it disenfranchisement. Every election day a busses go around certain neighborhoods and picks up the potential voters and takes them to the polling places. In return for the correct vote, the voters are usually given food like Barbeque.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: tweekster: no weekends off of course.

Who gave us the two-day weekend?

Henry Ford, moron.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: ReisFlynn: Yeah, China has a wonderful solution to prison over-crowding, alright.

I'm pretty sure czar wasn't advocating mobile death vans.

I'm positive he wasn't. I was just saying maybe pick a better example.

We're concerned with the root of the crime problem; some criminals are probably born that way, but too many take to crime because they are in an awful situation. It wasn't for nothing that Virgil told Dante that despair was a worse sin than any other.

What we need to do as a society is to provide real programs to get people the vocational training they'll need before they wind up in the criminal-justice vortex.

Which is sort of a different issue altogether. I'm all for giving people the tools to pull themselves up out of the gutter. I'm against allowing them to stay in the gutter because the alternative is too much work or not as fun.

czarangelus is loseing his free houseing, quick some one do something.

NightOwl2255: A not very good one?

golf clap

NathanielTaggart: Henry Ford, moron.

Labor campaigns in the late 19th century to get the two day weekend predated Ford's 1926 decision to increase profitability by closing his plants on Saturday.

See... I offered dates and didn't use insults.

Monster_Kabasue: czarangelus is loseing his free houseing, quick some one do something.

Doesnt he live in SoCal or was that somebody else that was complaining about moving costs?

What I find interesting is the total black or white perceptions that exist in this post (no pun intended).

Yes. There are a ton of folks that have existed on the public teet for many years, and they will continue to do so as long as they are allowed. Are there those that should be due to their specific situation? Certainly.

But in this case we are talking about closing an avenue of housing where the people should have been making plans to vacate for over two years. I'm certain that many need to be "kicked to the curb" as an incentive to get on with their lives and become part of the community again. But I am also certain that a percentage have been taking advantage of the situation and *should* be homeless, or forced to become contributors. That is the normal way of life in America. We care for a much larger number of people then the number should be because if they do not have incentive to move on, they wont.

Being upper-middle class in salary, I am one of those that pay the most (percentage wise vs. dollars earned) for all of Americas ills. I really am tired of contributing to those that should really be deported, or made to go to work. I am also of the opinion that those in prison should be forced to work on "public works" while doing their time.

But you know what peeves me the most? Having retards in public office that I constantly vote against whom by nature create or support legislation and/or funding for items that cost me personally, but have no impact on their own pockets, and I COMPLETELY disagree with. An example would be Monkey Boy... I did not vote for him in either election, and I would not have. He is a retard that only hung onto his dad's coat tails, and because of the big oil money and family ties to important people was able to end-up where he is. It certainly wasn't due to his capabilities (likely more skilled to be a MC'Ds manager).

Is there not someone that can step up to the plate to lead our country that isn't too far in any direction, and actually doesn't have only their own personal agenda to drive for?

Is that too much to ask for?

I have worked for FEMA. Something to keep in mind:
FEMA will only offer rebuilding assistance if you are the OWNER of the home & it is your PRIMARY residence. Many of the placed distroyed in N.E. were owned by SLUM LORDS. Renters are NOT eligible for Rebuilding Assistance, and neither are the property owners because the places are not their Primary Residence.

Lets go back to the Welfare issue. I have to take a piss test to get & keep a job to pay the taxes that pay for welfare. So if you want welfare, you & everyone who benifits from that check should also have to take a piss test.
Get the farking crack heads, speed freaks, and such off our welfare welfare rolls and we may be able to afford universal helth care for the rest of us.
Our government spends so much $$ on the "War On Drugs", and then turns around and supports the dopers on welfare who spend bunches of that $$ on the dope. I am not saying that everyone on welfare is a doper, but too many of them are. Stop government subsidies for drug dealers. DUH

czarangelus: These people are never going to "get their act together." They were educated in public schools, and lack critical thinking and predictive skills. They will never amount to anything more than the lowest rung of society based on the skills they have. So why should they get a job? Why work at McDonald's and be treated like shiat all day when you can make more money on the government dole? Why get a job at Mervyn's stocking shoes if you are never ever going to be able to use it to climb out of the pit of poverty?

I went to public schools exclusively. Not underfunded inner-city ones, but underfunded rural ones. The funding level wasn't very different, but it was a much better experience, mainly due to the lack of violence* and a culture of nonachievement. I then went to a state university**. My thought processes work just fine, I'm as critical as anything, and you, at least, are very easy for me to predict. And I've got a very good job, which pays well, and I enjoy.

*Plenty of guns, but they were generally pointed at animals. Hunting is very popular thereabouts.

**Which turned out to be a good idea, since I didn't leave with a $100k debt I have no plans to ever pay.

RobMon: Our government spends so much $$ on the "War On Drugs

There you have it. Take the money from the War on Drugs and channel it into something meaningful. I'm honestly more concerned with the welfare paid to our societal elites; we castigate the meth freak who gets $200 a month from Uncle Sam, but we have no problems paying multi-million dollar subsidies to well-connected corporations.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: NathanielTaggart: Henry Ford, moron.

Labor campaigns in the late 19th century to get the two day weekend predated Ford's 1926 decision to increase profitability by closing his plants on Saturday.

See... I offered dates and didn't use insults.

But insults are fun. You didn't, however offer any proof. Ford made waves when he initiated it and even offered an explanation in World's Work, October 1926 pages 613-616. See... I offered a citation and didn't use hand-me-down drivel with no proof.

PS Workers can organize and bargain with their employer without some national, blood-sucking union.

RobMon Quote 2007-11-29 06:54:35 PM

Lets go back to the Welfare issue. I have to take a piss test to get & keep a job to pay the taxes that pay for welfare. So if you want welfare, you & everyone who benefits from that check should also have to take a piss test.
Get the farking crack heads, speed freaks, and such off our welfare welfare rolls and we may be able to afford universal helth care for the rest of us.
Our government spends so much $$ on the "War On Drugs", and then turns around and supports the dopers on welfare who spend bunches of that $$ on the dope. I am not saying that everyone on welfare is a doper, but too many of them are. Stop government subsidies for drug dealers. DUH

THIS

This is a realistic response in support of improving our welfare situation is the US. Why is it that anyone can make claim, but have little obligation to prove why "they" should get support.

I have ZERO issue with supporting the folks having a difficult time as long as they are making the effort required to make the situation better for themselves. I give in other ways for other efforts for the same reasons. I just have a hard time paying for government funded efforts that have no oversight, and are likely way over budget for the sake of the few that two years later could be voted out of office and have a lifetime of retirement benefits for both income and health care.

Savage Belief

No, but the ones that are 25 and sitting on their arses collecting a check need to get to farking work.

Stop talking about Czar like that.

czarangelus 2007-11-29 05:03:35 PM
tweekster: Um no, there is a moderate in between. Stop endlessly supporting people.

Most of the homeless people I see are farking crazy. A civil society would endlessly support them. We do not live in a civil society.

tweekster: When you set conditions that do away with the need for employment, why be employed?

When you do away with the incentives for employment (ie: reliable transportation, assurance of medical care, assurance of stable housing, et c.) why be employed?

Psycoholic_Slag: Should we honestly look to the same society or institution that caused the widespread poverty and ignorance to actually solve it?

Frankly, I think the only thing that will challenge this society and its institutions is violence. I despair of a political solution.

Fail, fail and fail. Allow me to crush your puny arguments one by one.

1. Please describe exactly how you would propose "endlessly" support the "homeless". Do you mean the mentally ill? Or the substance abusers? Or the chronically unemployed? Who exactly? Would you set up government centers where the "homeless" could camp out forever and ever, amen? Kind of like the FEMA trailer thing, but permanent. How would you screen the truly deserving from the scumbags who just want to get high on our dime? Seems more complicated than you think.

2. So, it is the responsibility of the government in a free society to make sure every citizen has "reliable transportation", health care, and "assurance of stable housing". What the fark does that even mean? OK, throw out heath care, honest people can disagree on that one. You want the government to supply houses and cars to everyone in the nation? What incentive would anyone have to buy a car or a house ever again? Does everyone get a 3,000 sq. foot house and a new Mercedes Benz? How on Earth would the government pay for this in your fantasy world?

3. So, now, finally you are advocating violence against the government. Hoo boy. You first, Rambo. Why am I convinced that you are a 96lb. weakling who couldn't violently overthrow a wet paper bag? Hilarious. All in all, thank you for one of the stupidest posts in internet history. Good on ya. I lol'd.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: People organizing for better wages isn't the same as Tony Soprano putting out a hit on some sap. But even if it were, I'd rather subject myself to the gangster who had to fight for me once in a while over Enron-style sociopaths.

People are not organizing for better wages. thats THE myth of unions. People are forced to join a union that simply enriches the union delegates while financing shady and illegaly activity.

Unions used to be useful. they are now just organizations of corruption and many should be tried under RICO directly.

Union leaders are Enron-style sociopaths.

FEMA should just wait for the trailer parks to be destroyed by tornados and then build them houses in a flood zone. Oh, wait ...

czarangelus: DaSwankOne: Dude immigrants are being paid a fair market wage. They don't travel thousands of miles and leave their families for next to nothing. Go to a day labor site and offer anyone there less than $10 an hour tax free. I bet there won't be many takers.

When employers break the law, it's bad for society. When corporations break the law, it's bad for society. How can you Jackboots be all for castrating and hanging rapists but against making corporations even wave at the law in a friendly fashion?

Uhmm you are aware that we have legal immigrants. In fact they far outnumber illegal immigrants (something like 3 to 1). This is assuming that the higher 12 million figure is correct.

If those illegals who come here with practically nothing can
find jobs and homes then those lazy farks sure as hell can.

tweekster

The_Gallant_Gallstone: People organizing for better wages isn't the same as Tony Soprano putting out a hit on some sap. But even if it were, I'd rather subject myself to the gangster who had to fight for me once in a while over Enron-style sociopaths.

People are not organizing for better wages. thats THE myth of unions. People are forced to join a union that simply enriches the union delegates while financing shady and illegaly activity.

Unions used to be useful. they are now just organizations of corruption and many should be tried under RICO directly.

Union leaders are Enron-style sociopaths.

Yeah, it sure is fortunate that unions have declined so much since the 1970s. Who needs things like good wages, job security, health coverage, and a pension? I'd far rather that my livelihood and dignity be completely subject to the whims of CEOs and Wall Street traders.

I left Louisiana and most of what I owned over two years ago. I now have a great IT job and a five-bedroom house on Long Island, NY (rental for now). Took me a whole 10 days to get a job. Suck it 9th Ward.

"Thanks, DeVry!"

czarangelus: You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane aimless people want to do with their time.
ftfy.

you know what i want to do? solve problems... create useful things... take something that does not work properly and fix it. i happen to have found people who are willing to pay me to do these things. the money they pay me goes into keeping me clothed, fed, sheltered and entertained. it also pays for my more costly hobbies (music, working on cars, racing said cars at the track) it's a win-win for everyone involved.

/love me a good czar thread.

Two years is enough.

natas6.0
I'm under the impression that people should quit crying, and get up offa their asses. The laziest of my pals, or the most wounded vets I know...
apparently do more in 1 month that these 'poor' people can in 2 years.
Why don't we check with the state that had more damage than louisiana?
Are we allowed to mention Mississippi, or do I get called a nazi?


The short answer is yes...

According to our media....Katrina = New Orleans

You see, the media is keeping "them" honest...

/BS

It seems in general that the most rabid anti-socialists here are not very well off financially. Drugs? Let me tell you, they have ways of not gettin' tagged for it, but the idle rich are often permabuzzed. What a rigid cage of moralization y'all comport y'selves in!
Welfare bums just aren't takin' a significant portion of public money. That would be the military-industrial complex.
The overall trend with modernization is a diminution in the need for labor. Stated another way, we simply do have excess people.
The greatest source of wealth isn't human labor, but the fact that the sun shines. Why aren't all Americans entitled to the mineral wealth?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: I'd like to see more unionization in the American work force. A strong labor movement would be a good counterbalance to the corporate dominance we endure today.

Yes, because we all know that seniority is SO much more important than ability, skill and motivation.

Fark the unions


/was UAW member for 5 years

Skeptos: Yeah, it sure is fortunate that unions have declined so much since the 1970s. Who needs things like good wages, job security, health coverage, and a pension? I'd far rather that my livelihood and dignity be completely subject to the whims of CEOs and Wall Street traders.

You do realize hundreds of thousands of companies exist without CEO's or involvement of wall street. That is more meaningful than a union will ever be.

and LOL, pensions. Pension fund has a bad connotation for a reason. Unions are really efficent and looting pension funds

Spider Rico: czarangelus 2007-11-29 05:03:35 PM

Why am I convinced that you are a 96lb. weakling who couldn't violently overthrow a wet paper bag?

Because you read his profile?

czarangelus: and a prison population 4x greater than China...

Dude, that's like saying the Warsaw ghetto had more prisoners than Auschwitz.

/oh yeah, I went there.

czarangelus: Hetfield: Because obviously, there are different categories of arguments, and some of them don't require any logic whatsoever so long as you are going for comparisons. How convenient.

There are different categories of arguments. In fact, I'd say that logical thinking is one of the least useful and employed thinking methodology. If your girlfriend says she's cold, you turn up the heat, you don't say "prove it." Logic is a method of thinking that is only useful in a handful of contexts; far fewer contexts than you will deal with in the average day.

No you tell her to shut up and make a sammich.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Here in America, if you are born into poverty, it is your own fault.
I ask; why were you too lazy to be born into an affluent home?

Bravo! (golf clap)

czarangelus: czarangelus: ReisFlynn: By your own admission ages ago on the forum, you don't really want to work, but you feel you have to.

Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane people want to do with their time.

Sign me up for mental illness. I love programming and fixing computers, and when I was unemployed I did the same thing. (Although on a little bit smaller scale.) If having passion makes me brainwashed then I'm ok with it.

czarangelus: GoldSpider: It's been two and a half years since Katrina. How long should the American be expected to wait for these people to get their act together?

These people are never going to "get their act together." They were educated in public schools, and lack critical thinking and predictive skills. They will never amount to anything more than the lowest rung of society based on the skills they have. So why should they get a job? Why work at McDonald's and be treated like shiat all day when you can make more money on the government dole? Why get a job at Mervyn's stocking shoes if you are never ever going to be able to use it to climb out of the pit of poverty?

Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

tweekster: The people up for discussion in this thread were no homeless crazys.

Plus they do get endless support. all the soup they can consume.

Not on my farking block.

$20 an hour.. wtf are YOU smoking. Start your own business and pay the people you hire $20 an hour and I guarantee you that you will be either a) out of business quickly or b) employing people with a skillset worth $20 an hour. The solution here lies in educating them not in penalizing the businesses of the area and forcing the New Orleans McDonalds to pay a fry cook $20 an hour.

czarangelus: Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean.

Then I suggest you do that instead of working. And then, eventually, starve to death.

Or I could just fling $20 an hour at you because ... you know, I have piles of money sitting around to give naive, lazy boys. Which, actually, I do, because I have worked since I was 12, thanks to the values my parents instilled in me. I love my job; I am doing exactly what I want to do. And all that hard work and not expecting someone else to pay my way enabled me to buy a home two blocks from the beach in Hawaii 10 years ago, where I live to this day and probably will for a very long time.

La de dah, child. La de dah.

I knowww whoooo I want to take me home
I knowww whoooo I want to take me home
I knowww whoooo I want to take me home
Take meee hooooooome

jimibrooks: So, WWtPBB is off today and czarangelus is filling in?

Best we could do on short notice...

It's been ages since Katrina, anyone with an ounce of gumption ought to have been able to find somewhere to live other than the FEMA trailer park. But then again, these are New Orleans residents, a high percentage of which are welfare scum anyway.

czarangelus: ReisFlynn: Lets say that (using your definition of the word) 50% of the world is "sane". Should we simply pay 50% of the people to do nothing productive and consume resources? What about 60% of the population? 70%? 80%? Where does this money come from?

Let's ask this question a different way. How many man hours of labor would it take for every American to have a basic level of food, clothing, shelter, running water and electricity, et c.? Probably only a tiny fraction of the amount of time Americans actually spend working. If we focused our energy on assuring the basics for everyone, and then letting people freely choose how to occupy the rest of their time, we could be living what I would consider a much higher standard of life. The fact is, almost all American labor goes to producing useless items, advertising useless items, shipping useless items, selling useless items, and collecting debts for useless items. We fill our lives with ridiculous material things to make up for the fact that we've lost almost everything else; what makes us unique and human.

do you carry a red card in your wallet? 'cause with what you're talking about you would really like living in a place like North Korea or Cuba...

/just sayin
//i ain't trippin

thedarkshadow: Um, I'm curious Drew and admin/mods of Fark. Why is n**ger automatically filtered and banned as a nasty anti social word, but it's perfectly acceptable to label someone "Whitey"?
What a nasty utterance that's just as foul as the other.

I concur. I think "Attractive and Successful Cracker-Ass Cracker" would be a good filter substitution.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: * The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.

Yeah, 9/11 was a surgical strike on the "whites only" towers...

czarangelus: Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich.

Start your own business. Make yourself rich.

It sounds like you've never experienced any pleasure in remodeling a house or repairing a broken item . . . because you've never done it.

UHC2005
jimibrooks: So, WWtPBB is off today and czarangelus is filling in?

Best we could do on short notice...

Drew likes to switch off every once in a while. It's kind of like masturbation in that respect.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: William Shakesbeer: Lee Jackson Beauregard: * The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.

Yeah, 9/11 was a surgical strike on the "whites only" towers...

As many died from Katrina as from The Terrorists®, and Katrina took out a hell of a lot more infrastructure. But the Twin Towers were in wealthy Manhattan while the folks who got flooded in the Ninth Ward were just "Nubians." Guess which ones george w. bush and his pals give a $#it about.

Well maybe if they gave a shiat enough about themselves to do the things necessary to move out of the 9th ward then maybe we would care more about helping out. The truth is that people don't mind helping those who help themselves and are grateful. No one wants to help a lazy bum that demands their money.

/ $20 says that there was at least one person that grew up in a black ghetto that died on 9/11
// I personally gave twice as much to the Katrina fund as the 9/11 fund

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Remember, boys and girls:

* A couple of bucks to deal with a natural disaster: BAD.
* $800 billion to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
* The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.
* A hurricane kills black people in New Orleans: WHO THE FWCK CARES.

In other news, No White People were killed by Katrina. Especially not the ones that died in Lakeview, St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, and the Mississippi gulf coast.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Remember, boys and girls:

* A couple of bucks to deal with a natural disaster: BAD.
* $800 billion to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
* The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.
* A hurricane kills black people in New Orleans: WHO THE FWCK CARES.

Oh, come off it. Billions and billions of dollars have been spent in aid to areas hit by Katrina, never mind that the residents themselves apparently made no preparations whatsoever for hurricanes. Let me annotate your list for you:

* A couple of bucks to deal with a natural disaster: BAD.
A natural disaster that anyone with a brain could have better prepared for. The "couple bucks" are $127 billion dollars.

* $800 billion to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
We went to Iraq to prevent Saddam from cutting off our oil supply from the entire region. Had he done that, we would have gone into an immediate depression, likely resulting in hundreds of thousands of American deaths. It makes sense from an amoral standpoint. And most of the cost is from pacifying Iraq, not unseating Saddam - something that nobody anticipated would take this long. We just didn't send enough troops.

* The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.
Has nothing to do with skin color, it's the surprise and the quantity of deaths all in one place. If someone blew up a building with 3000 blacks inside, it would be on the news forever as well.

* A hurricane kills black people in New Orleans: WHO THE FWCK CARES.
See above. I don't care because there was several days' warning and people should have prepared better, and because New Orleans was a crap hole full of criminals and welfare scum (as evidenced by the amount of crime they brought anywhere that took them in). It just so happens that black people apparently have a propensity for being criminals and welfare scum, but it's not their skin color I hate.

As someone else pointed out, white people died too, and if you want to talk about bias, why did New Orleans get all the attention and not anywhere else? Because it was the worst prepared. The mayor, incidently, was not white.