czarangelus 2007-11-29 05:03:35 PM
tweekster: Um no, there is a moderate in between. Stop endlessly supporting people.

Most of the homeless people I see are farking crazy. A civil society would endlessly support them. We do not live in a civil society.

tweekster: When you set conditions that do away with the need for employment, why be employed?

When you do away with the incentives for employment (ie: reliable transportation, assurance of medical care, assurance of stable housing, et c.) why be employed?

Psycoholic_Slag: Should we honestly look to the same society or institution that caused the widespread poverty and ignorance to actually solve it?

Frankly, I think the only thing that will challenge this society and its institutions is violence. I despair of a political solution.

Fail, fail and fail. Allow me to crush your puny arguments one by one.

1. Please describe exactly how you would propose "endlessly" support the "homeless". Do you mean the mentally ill? Or the substance abusers? Or the chronically unemployed? Who exactly? Would you set up government centers where the "homeless" could camp out forever and ever, amen? Kind of like the FEMA trailer thing, but permanent. How would you screen the truly deserving from the scumbags who just want to get high on our dime? Seems more complicated than you think.

2. So, it is the responsibility of the government in a free society to make sure every citizen has "reliable transportation", health care, and "assurance of stable housing". What the fark does that even mean? OK, throw out heath care, honest people can disagree on that one. You want the government to supply houses and cars to everyone in the nation? What incentive would anyone have to buy a car or a house ever again? Does everyone get a 3,000 sq. foot house and a new Mercedes Benz? How on Earth would the government pay for this in your fantasy world?

3. So, now, finally you are advocating violence against the government. Hoo boy. You first, Rambo. Why am I convinced that you are a 96lb. weakling who couldn't violently overthrow a wet paper bag? Hilarious. All in all, thank you for one of the stupidest posts in internet history. Good on ya. I lol'd.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: People organizing for better wages isn't the same as Tony Soprano putting out a hit on some sap. But even if it were, I'd rather subject myself to the gangster who had to fight for me once in a while over Enron-style sociopaths.

People are not organizing for better wages. thats THE myth of unions. People are forced to join a union that simply enriches the union delegates while financing shady and illegaly activity.

Unions used to be useful. they are now just organizations of corruption and many should be tried under RICO directly.

Union leaders are Enron-style sociopaths.

FEMA should just wait for the trailer parks to be destroyed by tornados and then build them houses in a flood zone. Oh, wait ...

czarangelus: DaSwankOne: Dude immigrants are being paid a fair market wage. They don't travel thousands of miles and leave their families for next to nothing. Go to a day labor site and offer anyone there less than $10 an hour tax free. I bet there won't be many takers.

When employers break the law, it's bad for society. When corporations break the law, it's bad for society. How can you Jackboots be all for castrating and hanging rapists but against making corporations even wave at the law in a friendly fashion?

Uhmm you are aware that we have legal immigrants. In fact they far outnumber illegal immigrants (something like 3 to 1). This is assuming that the higher 12 million figure is correct.

If those illegals who come here with practically nothing can
find jobs and homes then those lazy farks sure as hell can.

tweekster

The_Gallant_Gallstone: People organizing for better wages isn't the same as Tony Soprano putting out a hit on some sap. But even if it were, I'd rather subject myself to the gangster who had to fight for me once in a while over Enron-style sociopaths.

People are not organizing for better wages. thats THE myth of unions. People are forced to join a union that simply enriches the union delegates while financing shady and illegaly activity.

Unions used to be useful. they are now just organizations of corruption and many should be tried under RICO directly.

Union leaders are Enron-style sociopaths.

Yeah, it sure is fortunate that unions have declined so much since the 1970s. Who needs things like good wages, job security, health coverage, and a pension? I'd far rather that my livelihood and dignity be completely subject to the whims of CEOs and Wall Street traders.

I left Louisiana and most of what I owned over two years ago. I now have a great IT job and a five-bedroom house on Long Island, NY (rental for now). Took me a whole 10 days to get a job. Suck it 9th Ward.

"Thanks, DeVry!"

czarangelus: You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane aimless people want to do with their time.
ftfy.

you know what i want to do? solve problems... create useful things... take something that does not work properly and fix it. i happen to have found people who are willing to pay me to do these things. the money they pay me goes into keeping me clothed, fed, sheltered and entertained. it also pays for my more costly hobbies (music, working on cars, racing said cars at the track) it's a win-win for everyone involved.

/love me a good czar thread.

Two years is enough.

natas6.0
I'm under the impression that people should quit crying, and get up offa their asses. The laziest of my pals, or the most wounded vets I know...
apparently do more in 1 month that these 'poor' people can in 2 years.
Why don't we check with the state that had more damage than louisiana?
Are we allowed to mention Mississippi, or do I get called a nazi?


The short answer is yes...

According to our media....Katrina = New Orleans

You see, the media is keeping "them" honest...

/BS

It seems in general that the most rabid anti-socialists here are not very well off financially. Drugs? Let me tell you, they have ways of not gettin' tagged for it, but the idle rich are often permabuzzed. What a rigid cage of moralization y'all comport y'selves in!
Welfare bums just aren't takin' a significant portion of public money. That would be the military-industrial complex.
The overall trend with modernization is a diminution in the need for labor. Stated another way, we simply do have excess people.
The greatest source of wealth isn't human labor, but the fact that the sun shines. Why aren't all Americans entitled to the mineral wealth?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: I'd like to see more unionization in the American work force. A strong labor movement would be a good counterbalance to the corporate dominance we endure today.

Yes, because we all know that seniority is SO much more important than ability, skill and motivation.

Fark the unions


/was UAW member for 5 years

Skeptos: Yeah, it sure is fortunate that unions have declined so much since the 1970s. Who needs things like good wages, job security, health coverage, and a pension? I'd far rather that my livelihood and dignity be completely subject to the whims of CEOs and Wall Street traders.

You do realize hundreds of thousands of companies exist without CEO's or involvement of wall street. That is more meaningful than a union will ever be.

and LOL, pensions. Pension fund has a bad connotation for a reason. Unions are really efficent and looting pension funds

Spider Rico: czarangelus 2007-11-29 05:03:35 PM

Why am I convinced that you are a 96lb. weakling who couldn't violently overthrow a wet paper bag?

Because you read his profile?

czarangelus: and a prison population 4x greater than China...

Dude, that's like saying the Warsaw ghetto had more prisoners than Auschwitz.

/oh yeah, I went there.

czarangelus: Hetfield: Because obviously, there are different categories of arguments, and some of them don't require any logic whatsoever so long as you are going for comparisons. How convenient.

There are different categories of arguments. In fact, I'd say that logical thinking is one of the least useful and employed thinking methodology. If your girlfriend says she's cold, you turn up the heat, you don't say "prove it." Logic is a method of thinking that is only useful in a handful of contexts; far fewer contexts than you will deal with in the average day.

No you tell her to shut up and make a sammich.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Here in America, if you are born into poverty, it is your own fault.
I ask; why were you too lazy to be born into an affluent home?

Bravo! (golf clap)

czarangelus: czarangelus: ReisFlynn: By your own admission ages ago on the forum, you don't really want to work, but you feel you have to.

Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean. This is what sane people want to do with their time.

Sign me up for mental illness. I love programming and fixing computers, and when I was unemployed I did the same thing. (Although on a little bit smaller scale.) If having passion makes me brainwashed then I'm ok with it.

czarangelus: GoldSpider: It's been two and a half years since Katrina. How long should the American be expected to wait for these people to get their act together?

These people are never going to "get their act together." They were educated in public schools, and lack critical thinking and predictive skills. They will never amount to anything more than the lowest rung of society based on the skills they have. So why should they get a job? Why work at McDonald's and be treated like shiat all day when you can make more money on the government dole? Why get a job at Mervyn's stocking shoes if you are never ever going to be able to use it to climb out of the pit of poverty?

Tell you what. Offer them $20 an hour for their menial skills, show them what $20 an hour can buy, teach them how to use that money to realize their goals, and maybe you'll see a change in the motivation and culture.

tweekster: The people up for discussion in this thread were no homeless crazys.

Plus they do get endless support. all the soup they can consume.

Not on my farking block.

$20 an hour.. wtf are YOU smoking. Start your own business and pay the people you hire $20 an hour and I guarantee you that you will be either a) out of business quickly or b) employing people with a skillset worth $20 an hour. The solution here lies in educating them not in penalizing the businesses of the area and forcing the New Orleans McDonalds to pay a fry cook $20 an hour.

czarangelus: Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich. You know what I want to do? Read books all day. Go on walks. Wander down to the ocean.

Then I suggest you do that instead of working. And then, eventually, starve to death.

Or I could just fling $20 an hour at you because ... you know, I have piles of money sitting around to give naive, lazy boys. Which, actually, I do, because I have worked since I was 12, thanks to the values my parents instilled in me. I love my job; I am doing exactly what I want to do. And all that hard work and not expecting someone else to pay my way enabled me to buy a home two blocks from the beach in Hawaii 10 years ago, where I live to this day and probably will for a very long time.

La de dah, child. La de dah.

I knowww whoooo I want to take me home
I knowww whoooo I want to take me home
I knowww whoooo I want to take me home
Take meee hooooooome

jimibrooks: So, WWtPBB is off today and czarangelus is filling in?

Best we could do on short notice...

It's been ages since Katrina, anyone with an ounce of gumption ought to have been able to find somewhere to live other than the FEMA trailer park. But then again, these are New Orleans residents, a high percentage of which are welfare scum anyway.

czarangelus: ReisFlynn: Lets say that (using your definition of the word) 50% of the world is "sane". Should we simply pay 50% of the people to do nothing productive and consume resources? What about 60% of the population? 70%? 80%? Where does this money come from?

Let's ask this question a different way. How many man hours of labor would it take for every American to have a basic level of food, clothing, shelter, running water and electricity, et c.? Probably only a tiny fraction of the amount of time Americans actually spend working. If we focused our energy on assuring the basics for everyone, and then letting people freely choose how to occupy the rest of their time, we could be living what I would consider a much higher standard of life. The fact is, almost all American labor goes to producing useless items, advertising useless items, shipping useless items, selling useless items, and collecting debts for useless items. We fill our lives with ridiculous material things to make up for the fact that we've lost almost everything else; what makes us unique and human.

do you carry a red card in your wallet? 'cause with what you're talking about you would really like living in a place like North Korea or Cuba...

/just sayin
//i ain't trippin

thedarkshadow: Um, I'm curious Drew and admin/mods of Fark. Why is n**ger automatically filtered and banned as a nasty anti social word, but it's perfectly acceptable to label someone "Whitey"?
What a nasty utterance that's just as foul as the other.

I concur. I think "Attractive and Successful Cracker-Ass Cracker" would be a good filter substitution.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: * The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.

Yeah, 9/11 was a surgical strike on the "whites only" towers...

czarangelus: Does anyone really want to work? You'd have to be either mentally ill or totally brainwashed to desire to spend the better part of your day making someone else rich.

Start your own business. Make yourself rich.

It sounds like you've never experienced any pleasure in remodeling a house or repairing a broken item . . . because you've never done it.

UHC2005
jimibrooks: So, WWtPBB is off today and czarangelus is filling in?

Best we could do on short notice...

Drew likes to switch off every once in a while. It's kind of like masturbation in that respect.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: William Shakesbeer: Lee Jackson Beauregard: * The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.

Yeah, 9/11 was a surgical strike on the "whites only" towers...

As many died from Katrina as from The Terrorists®, and Katrina took out a hell of a lot more infrastructure. But the Twin Towers were in wealthy Manhattan while the folks who got flooded in the Ninth Ward were just "Nubians." Guess which ones george w. bush and his pals give a $#it about.

Well maybe if they gave a shiat enough about themselves to do the things necessary to move out of the 9th ward then maybe we would care more about helping out. The truth is that people don't mind helping those who help themselves and are grateful. No one wants to help a lazy bum that demands their money.

/ $20 says that there was at least one person that grew up in a black ghetto that died on 9/11
// I personally gave twice as much to the Katrina fund as the 9/11 fund

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Remember, boys and girls:

* A couple of bucks to deal with a natural disaster: BAD.
* $800 billion to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
* The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.
* A hurricane kills black people in New Orleans: WHO THE FWCK CARES.

In other news, No White People were killed by Katrina. Especially not the ones that died in Lakeview, St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, and the Mississippi gulf coast.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Remember, boys and girls:

* A couple of bucks to deal with a natural disaster: BAD.
* $800 billion to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
* The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.
* A hurricane kills black people in New Orleans: WHO THE FWCK CARES.

Oh, come off it. Billions and billions of dollars have been spent in aid to areas hit by Katrina, never mind that the residents themselves apparently made no preparations whatsoever for hurricanes. Let me annotate your list for you:

* A couple of bucks to deal with a natural disaster: BAD.
A natural disaster that anyone with a brain could have better prepared for. The "couple bucks" are $127 billion dollars.

* $800 billion to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
We went to Iraq to prevent Saddam from cutting off our oil supply from the entire region. Had he done that, we would have gone into an immediate depression, likely resulting in hundreds of thousands of American deaths. It makes sense from an amoral standpoint. And most of the cost is from pacifying Iraq, not unseating Saddam - something that nobody anticipated would take this long. We just didn't send enough troops.

* The Terrorists® kill white people in New York: OH $#IT.
Has nothing to do with skin color, it's the surprise and the quantity of deaths all in one place. If someone blew up a building with 3000 blacks inside, it would be on the news forever as well.

* A hurricane kills black people in New Orleans: WHO THE FWCK CARES.
See above. I don't care because there was several days' warning and people should have prepared better, and because New Orleans was a crap hole full of criminals and welfare scum (as evidenced by the amount of crime they brought anywhere that took them in). It just so happens that black people apparently have a propensity for being criminals and welfare scum, but it's not their skin color I hate.

As someone else pointed out, white people died too, and if you want to talk about bias, why did New Orleans get all the attention and not anywhere else? Because it was the worst prepared. The mayor, incidently, was not white.