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(Some Guy)   Having solved all other problems, The SCLC and the NAACP are calling for a boycott of Kroger for closing a store that's losing money   (wtol.com) divider line 100
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2007-11-29 11:29:16 AM  
elkay

I need to go to Louisiana then.

Its a pain in the ass to find alcohol here sometimes. Even though this is the north, you'd think we were in the deep south.

The liquor stores are few and far between. Theres one a few miles away that only takes cash (which is a pain in the ass), and theres one in a yuppie suburb thats nice, but moronically expensive.

My best choice is to hit that one solitary Rite-Aid.
 
2007-11-29 11:29:51 AM  
brifar: why the hell is the NAACP involved....i guess i didnt know a companys fiscal situation is tied to race

They aren't really. Just a few local members are doing this, though they have requested national leadership to help.
 
2007-11-29 11:31:34 AM  
How do you boycott a store that is closing?

Reminds me how my hometown paper, The St. Petersburg Times , ran a story, accompanied by a half-page color photo of a black family crying with dark clouds in the background. I wondered what it could possibly be about - did their father die? House burn down? House burglarized?

No. It was about Wal-Mart ending their layaway policy and how it would disproportionately affect black people.

Ridiculous. "Asteroid set to Destroy Earth. Women, Minorities Expected to be Hardest Hit."
 
2007-11-29 11:33:34 AM  
Of course they are going to boycott Kroger. I boycott every store that is nearby and closes. I just absolutely refuse to shop somewhere I have to break down the doors just to get in.
 
2007-11-29 11:34:33 AM  
nmchico24: Well, the article says it's not making money rather than losing money. Of course, the amount of money it takes to qualify as making money is entirely subjective.

Depends, if they aren't bringing in enough money to pay the employees and keep the lights on, then no they're not making enough money.
 
2007-11-29 11:34:43 AM  
Dynascape: ScottMpls

They've done that on the east side of the city with Rite Aid.

Theres one on 3rd Street (The only one in the country) that has a liquor license.

I go there all the time, because they sell the 4 liter Heineken kegs, plus their Vodka is dirt cheap.

Not your typical Rite Aid. Can go there to get smokes, booze, and a great supply of junk food!


Where have you been? The Rite Aid across the street from the District Courthouse here sells so much beer that a distributors semi-truck blocks a traffic lane while delivering fresh beer every two or three days...
 
2007-11-29 11:36:53 AM  
JaredPointer: The African American community will be better off when they decide to boycott the NAACP and search out some true leadership. You know, instead of trying to blame every problem and inconvenience on someone else.

Yup.

/black
 
2007-11-29 11:37:59 AM  
Disgruntled Postal Worker: In negotiations to take over the building after Kroger closes:

LAWL.
 
2007-11-29 11:38:44 AM  
But...but...but...IT'S OUR RIGHT TO CONSUME AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PRODUCE FOR US!

i137.photobucket.com

Say want you want, but she was right...as we are now seeing again and again and again.
 
2007-11-29 11:40:21 AM  
Pope Schizoid XIV: But...but...but...IT'S OUR RIGHT TO CONSUME AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PRODUCE FOR US!



Say want you want, but she was right...as we are now seeing again and again and again.


I'd hit it.
 
2007-11-29 11:51:02 AM  
keeny_75: Funny, I didn't hear anything about the NAACP offering to buy the store. Jesse Jackson can step right up and buy the place and even subsidize it so all the poor people can pay less than before.

That's because constructive action isn't in the NAACP's vocabulary. All this talk about voting with your wallet, but they're unwilling to "vote" for their supporters, rather than just give lip-service to the misconception that white people think that black peoples' money is somehow tainted.

/No, I don't care where they carry their wallets/
 
2007-11-29 12:18:38 PM  
hdhale: If you know anything about the west side of Dayton, OH (and I do), the reason the store is losing money is likely because some portion of the stock vaporizes every day out the front door without being paid for.

Grocery stores typically operate on very thin margins, so they can't afford to make the place into Ft. Knox. At some point mathematics and accounting have to win the day.

If that upsets the local NAACP...maybe, just maybe, if you had people volunteering to patrol the store to help prevent people from shoplifting, Kroger might have considered keeping the place open. Instead it is shutting down and the best you can do is organize a boycott?

That's not just out of touch, that makes me wonder what farking planet they live on.

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As a former store manager and an accountant I can tell you that when a store of this size closes their doors it is usually because of shrinkage (theft). However, it is EMPLOYEE theft that is most common and the hardest to police against. I assume most of you are not foolish enough to think that the people in the community could come to this store everyday and walk out with whole turkeys without paying for them. Or, more likely it is collusion as employees invite friends and family into the store to purchase things and then they don't charge them full price.

The point being made by the NAACP is that not having access to reasonably affordable, healthier foods will have an adverse impact on those people in the community who have always been good customers. (I'm sure you don't believe it, but some of those people actually *gasp* paid for their groceries). What happens in these instances is that the corner stores become substitutes for those people who do not have the means to travel far from home to get food. The store owners drive out to the more affluent neighborhoods and stock up on grocery items from a Krogers and then they resell these items to the underpriviledged at a premium. The end result is that poor people end up spending much more for basic goods than people with means, and then Farkers want to know why these "lazy" people can't seem to save any money.

So, since a large corporation can not find a way to operate close to an area primarily populated by poor blacks, the NAACP has asked black people to consider that when they are deciding where to spend their money. Just as the Krogers has every right to terminate operations for any reason, the NAACP has a right to protest a decision which negatively effects their constituents.

What is typical is if this were a Chinese organization protesting the closure of a Krogers in Chinatown or a Jewish organization demanding more kosher foods, I don't think there would be the same level of contempt in this thread.

I am not a supporter of the NAACP, but in my opinion this is the shiat that they need to be doing...looking after the needs of those without a voice. What would be even better is if they took some of those donations that they collect and started their own chain of grocery stores that cater to areas where other corporations do not want to operate.

Oh, and this point is very important:

The NAACP does not only get involved in an issue because they think something "racist" is going on, the same way that the . They are an organization that tries to get involved whenever something happens which adversely effects black people...just as the Jewish Anti-Defamation League does for the Jewish people:

The stated purpose of the ADL is to fight "Anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry (in the United States) and abroad, combat international terrorism, probe the roots of hatred, advocate before the United States Congress, come to the aid of victims of bigotry, develop educational programs, and serve as a public resource for government, media, law enforcement, and the public, all towards the goal of countering and reducing hatred."


A lot of you see "NAACP", Jesse Jackson, or Al Aharpton and you foolishly attribute their positions and their prejudices to all black people. You chalk it up to "another" instance of black people "looking for racism". In actuality it is partly your bigotry which does not allow you to see the full situation before you go off on your rants. They simply want to do something to ensure the residents have access to affordable, (sometimes) healthy foods. No need to break out your race card.
 
2007-11-29 12:20:00 PM  
Unright: /ask any wannabe food service or Wal*Mart unionist

Would, but WalMart doesn't allow unions.
 
2007-11-29 12:26:18 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: However, it is EMPLOYEE theft that is most common and the hardest to police against.

Yup. Especially if your workers are black.

Keeding!

Seriously, I work a chain and it's amazing the length people at store level go to steal. Pretty genius schemes to be honest with you.
 
2007-11-29 12:28:03 PM  
Twenty five pages of well documented and painful truth:

http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf
 
2007-11-29 12:32:38 PM  
gregory311

Someone in my company would steal people's gift cards or their receipts with the gift card numbers and buy things. He didn't know that they could track gift card usage and the dumbass would use his employee discount and ring himself up.
 
2007-11-29 12:36:27 PM  
Does the NAACP propose to run the money pit supermarket themselves? No? No volunteers? Then maybe they should STFU and let business owners make their own decisions.
 
2007-11-29 12:43:38 PM  
I know where this store is. It's not that bad an area. There's also a huge VA hospital right down the street. But, biz is biz. Hopefully someone will fill the void.
 
rpa
2007-11-29 12:43:49 PM  
ronaprhys:
There's always....


ALDI.

They're closing a store here in cincy in a mostly black neighborhood because it's losing money (low sales, theft, etc). the naacp is all over them, as well.
 
2007-11-29 12:43:51 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND : ...The store owners drive out to the more affluent neighborhoods and stock up on grocery items from a Krogers and then they resell these items to the underpriviledged at a premium.....

That one line there shows you're either BS'ing us about your being a "former store manager and an accountant" or the store you worked at wasn't doing it right.

Growing up, my parents were good friends with the owners of the Mom & Pop store two blocks away - we shopped there almost daily, they all played cards at my house least once a week, my older brother worked there, they hosted his wedding reception at their (larger) house, etc., etc.

They were members of a CO-OP that the local neighborhood independent grocers organized - bought stuff in bulk from wholesale suppliers - they didn't go to the local chain groceries to load up on retail-priced items to resell at higher-than-retail prices. If their prices were higher than the SUPERmarket a few miles away it was because of economy-of-scale issues, NOT because they were buying their stock at prices already marked up for retail.

Failing some such organized cost-cutting - you STILL can get your stock from local wholesalers your-own-damn-self (heck, plenty of them will deliver, too). Just bring your sales-tax number (so you don't have to pay sales-tax) and your wallet. I know all this and I'm not even a "former store manager and an accountant". Why didn't you?
 
2007-11-29 12:44:54 PM  
Dynascape: Love it when my town makes the news...gotta love Dayton.

This is a no brainer though. Most of where that Krogers is could be considered a disaster area. Entire city blocks boarded up and deserted.


Do you cower in your Kettering basement? It's not bad over there. Get out more.
 
2007-11-29 12:51:32 PM  
Newspaper story (new window)

"Big companies have no sensitivity to the city. (Kroger) told me, the mayor of Dayton, we just built you a store in Englewood," McLin said. "They're just looking at dollars and cents."

Apparently McLin's speech writer is Ric Romero. Big stores don't care about the customers or where they live. They care about making money. They could have millions of customers, but if they don't make money they aren't gonna stay open.
 
2007-11-29 12:59:45 PM  
I'm not particularly endorsing the NAACP's boycott, but I admit I rarely trust corporations to tell the truth about their reasons for closing stores.

/ask any wannabe food service or Wal*Mart unionist


Given any corporation's primary goal is to make money, and they say they are moving because they aren't making money, I am inclined to believe them.

You think they are secretly making money, but just for the sake of being an evil corporation, they are going to shut it down so the ethnic folks don't have a convenient place to shop?

Now, "not making money" could easily be code for "employee and shopper theft."

I have worked in retail at a more and a less affluent location. The employees rotated, so its the same staffing at both locations.

Simply put, our store in the shiatty part of town had as much traffic. In fact a lot more traffic during the day since so many no-working adults stopped by, but far more theft and damage.

If the NAACP wants a grocery store, I am sure Rainbow Push has enough cash in their coffers to open a store. They can stock it with all non-white managers, employees, etc.
 
2007-11-29 01:10:22 PM  
Old enough to know better:
Let me see, a big corporation doesn't want money because it's coming from black people? Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense.

I agree with Old enough to know better, finding it hard to believe that a corporation with the specific charter of making a profit is deliberately eschewing said profit because it may be, inadvertently helping a minority community. That view does feed into the typical tin-foil-hat wearing conspiracies around here ... the image of the Board of Directors of Kroger sitting around and discussing their quarterly earnings:

Rich, Old, White, Man One "Well, we've done well for ourselves again! {chortle, chortle, chortle}"
Rich, Old, White, Man Two "Wait a minute here, it seems that we have a profitable store in a 'black' area ... we may be conveniencing their older people and supporting their community - what were we thinking?"
Rich, Old, White, Man Three "Here! Here! That's outrageous! Let's immediately close that unit and claim it wasn't making money ... I'd rather take a personal financial hit then support 'those people' ... are you all with me?"
Group of Rich, Old, White Men, Together "Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!"
Rich, Old, White, Man Three "Then it's settled. Prepare the press release ... but just pray that the local Clergy, Community, and Civil Rights leaders don't get wind of this."

[Another play brought to you by "Out to get you" Productions.]
 
2007-11-29 01:20:23 PM  
Used to live in the Dayton OH area, and the area in which that store is located is very high-crime.

Non-natives think E. St. Louis/Detroit etc.

I'm sure they are losing $. Not that I'm a fan of Kroger's.
 
2007-11-29 01:21:45 PM  
pontus

I dont live in Kettering. More in the neighborhood of between 3rd and 5th just outside of downtown.

I think of the west side as bad in comparison to what it used to be. I study a lot of Dayton history, and large parts of the city are deteriorating fast over the years.

Not to say they arent trying to fix things up in areas. Wright-Dunbar is looking nicer every year, and Rehabarama is turning around some parts of South Park. Once they demolish the apartments down off of Brown St, I heard they might turn it into a greenspace, if UD doesnt gobble it up.

It's just kind of sad. Maybe 1/5th of the houses on my block are abandoned or boarded up. We moved there because the rent was extremely cheap, and our landlord completely gutted and refurbished the house to its former glory.

I think a lot could change if they addressed some of the drug issues, or even if a developer bought up a lot of land and converted it.
 
2007-11-29 01:23:07 PM  
Here's an idea...maybe the NAACP should put its money into opening a store there and see how they do.
 
2007-11-29 01:24:17 PM  
bmasso: DROxINxTHExWIND : ...The store owners drive out to the more affluent neighborhoods and stock up on grocery items from a Krogers and then they resell these items to the underpriviledged at a premium.....

That one line there shows you're either BS'ing us about your being a "former store manager and an accountant" or the store you worked at wasn't doing it right.

Growing up, my parents were good friends with the owners of the Mom & Pop store two blocks away - we shopped there almost daily, they all played cards at my house least once a week, my older brother worked there, they hosted his wedding reception at their (larger) house, etc., etc.

They were members of a CO-OP that the local neighborhood independent grocers organized - bought stuff in bulk from wholesale suppliers - they didn't go to the local chain groceries to load up on retail-priced items to resell at higher-than-retail prices. If their prices were higher than the SUPERmarket a few miles away it was because of economy-of-scale issues, NOT because they were buying their stock at prices already marked up for retail.

Failing some such organized cost-cutting - you STILL can get your stock from local wholesalers your-own-damn-self (heck, plenty of them will deliver, too). Just bring your sales-tax number (so you don't have to pay sales-tax) and your wallet. I know all this and I'm not even a "former store manager and an accountant". Why didn't you?

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First, your little attitude is both amusing and unneccessary. My disclosure that I used to manage a Peoples Drug (now CVS) was to show that I knew what I was talking about with regards to shrinkage.

Exact quote: As a former store manager and an accountant I can tell you that when a store of this size closes their doors it is usually because of shrinkage (theft).

I usually take time to read things before I go off on uninformed rants. It saves time.

Second, the exact quote is, "The store owners drive out to the more affluent neighborhoods and stock up on grocery items from "a Krogers" and then they resell these items to the underpriviledged at a premium..."

I'm sure that you realized "Krogers" was used as an example but it would have taken away from whatever point you were trying to prove. I guess I should have said CostCO or BJ's. Either way, non members pay a premium to "corner" store owners on food that has already been purchased. Additionally, I'll take it for granted that you are smart enough to know that YOUR experience with a "Mom & Pop" store owner does not tell us how they all operate.
 
2007-11-29 01:27:37 PM  
Rich old White man one I didn't get a harrumph out of that guy

Goon Give the conspiracy leader a harrumph

Rich old White man Four Harrumph!

Rich old White man One you watch your backside

Sorry Keep thinking of Blazing Saddles when I see that.
 
2007-11-29 01:28:34 PM  
Okay, having rtfa I saw no mention of the SCLC or the NAACP. What I saw is a story about a community potentially losing a grocery store and that about 130 people whom this would adversely impact showed up at a meeting presumably to plead that the store stay.

WTF does this have to do with race?
 
2007-11-29 01:30:18 PM  
Dynascape: pontus

I dont live in Kettering. More in the neighborhood of between 3rd and 5th just outside of downtown.

I think of the west side as bad in comparison to what it used to be. I study a lot of Dayton history, and large parts of the city are deteriorating fast over the years.

Not to say they arent trying to fix things up in areas. Wright-Dunbar is looking nicer every year, and Rehabarama is turning around some parts of South Park. Once they demolish the apartments down off of Brown St, I heard they might turn it into a greenspace, if UD doesnt gobble it up.

It's just kind of sad. Maybe 1/5th of the houses on my block are abandoned or boarded up. We moved there because the rent was extremely cheap, and our landlord completely gutted and refurbished the house to its former glory.

I think a lot could change if they addressed some of the drug issues, or even if a developer bought up a lot of land and converted it.


Come on, it's not THAT bad over there. The East side is much scarier to me.
 
2007-11-29 01:35:42 PM  
Man they are on a roll this week.
 
2007-11-29 02:00:56 PM  
Pontus

Yeah.. I agree that some parts of the east side are scary as hell too.

One night me and the girlfriend walked home from a concert at 5th Third Field at about midnight. Had to walk all the way up east third from downtown to get home. It was deserted. Only people walking around were the hookers.

Ive never seen a downtown so empty.. it was eery.
 
2007-11-29 02:01:31 PM  
First, DROxINxTHExWIND, I appreciated your post and am embarassed by the immature nature of my own. Thank you for those insights.

I do have to disagree with you, on two (2) important point, though.

DROxINxTHExWIND: A lot of you see "NAACP", Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton and you foolishly attribute their positions and their prejudices to all black people. You chalk it up to "another" instance of black people "looking for racism". In actuality it is partly your bigotry which does not allow you to see the full situation before you go off on your rants. They simply want to do something to ensure the residents have access to affordable, (sometimes) healthy foods. No need to break out your race card.

First, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the NAACP have repeatedly stepped into the press to complain about racism - whether or not it was there, whether or not it warranted public outcry (i.e. Don Imus). So, associating these two men and that group with fanning the flames of racial divide is NOT an unwarranted. They may have other good intentions, but this is what we see.

Second, simply want to do something is a tricky phrase. What they don't want to do is address the core issue that is keeping these stores out of poor urban areas. They don't want to work with the companies to correct these problems, or work the communities to correct these problems or (as others have pointed out) open their own stores. The thing they want to do is complain and call for a boycott. The idea that complaining, getting on TV and calling for a boycott, or haranguing business or political leaders is doing something is where we disagree.

I spent years living in the Detroit area and saw the same thing, over and over. Bad schools? Corrupt School Board (as voted in by the citizens of Detroit)? March in protest! Don't fix the problem, don't hold the students accountable (their own children) and don't boot out the bums in charge ... instead: call the issue racism, complain that they needed more state and federal money (i.e. someone else's) and march in the street.

Here's the headline I'd like to see, some day - especially in Detroit. Local Civil Rights and Community Leaders form alliance with Corporate Heads, propose 12 Point Plan for Addressing Needs of the Poor, Begin Raising Money to Implement Plan.
 
2007-11-29 02:23:52 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND Your snooty little attitude shows how little you know what you are talking about. What bmasso was saying, from my close reading of his post, is that there are distributors for independently owned stores and most of them do not go to larger grocery stores for the stock. Here one of them is called "Grocery Supply Company". They sell food to convenience stores and the like. Having worked in a big chain grocery store and in independently owned convenience stores, I can attest to this fact. However, there is one occasion of a small-town grocery store owner buying eggs from our grocery store because we sold them cheapest. Sure he is marking them up, but he drove the 30 miles to the store so his customers wouldn't have to. Your being snide is not going to make people believe what you are saying is true. I dare say working at a CVS gives you very little credibility on this issue. When the discussion is about over-charging for film development, we'll rattle your chain.

/All claims are based on a geographical basis, therefore your results may vary.
//Meaning that's how shiat works around here.
 
2007-11-29 03:13:47 PM  
Having driven through that part of Dayton a few times, I wouldn't keep a top tier grocery store open there either. I'm sure the actual cash purchases of groceries there don't even outweigh the shoplifting and and food stamps.

I mean, it says something about the community as a whole when even the farking grocery stores are packing up and leaving. Your population is just plain full of fail.

Anyone who says it is a "krogers doesn't want black money!" thing is a farking retard. Plenty of Krogers in my town in predominantly black communities. I guess the difference there is that the people actually buy food with money, rather than just viewing the supermarket as a low security shoplifting heaven.
 
2007-11-29 03:20:21 PM  
FTFA Reverend Jerome McCorry says if Kroger doesn't appreciate his dollar, he'll take it somewhere else.

Uh...that's kind of what they are suggesting you do now that they are closing their store, dumbass.
 
2007-11-29 03:21:48 PM  
Blacks whining again. Not news.
 
2007-11-29 03:26:15 PM  
I live with my girlfriend in Detroit (she goes to Wayne state med school), and we have to drive 30min or so out to Dearborn or troy to get to the nearest Meijers. The only place that I've ever seen that actually sells groceries is a very small market off the lodge, but they don't have much variety compared to Kroger or Meijers. I honestly don't know if the residents around us just live off of pizza and chicken wings. There is just nothing around here.

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Sig goes here.
 
2007-11-29 03:41:10 PM  
Some Texan: DROxINxTHExWIND Your snooty little attitude shows how little you know what you are talking about. What bmasso was saying, from my close reading of his post, is that there are distributors for independently owned stores and most of them do not go to larger grocery stores for the stock. Here one of them is called "Grocery Supply Company". They sell food to convenience stores and the like. Having worked in a big chain grocery store and in independently owned convenience stores, I can attest to this fact. However, there is one occasion of a small-town grocery store owner buying eggs from our grocery store because we sold them cheapest. Sure he is marking them up, but he drove the 30 miles to the store so his customers wouldn't have to. Your being snide is not going to make people believe what you are saying is true. I dare say working at a CVS gives you very little credibility on this issue. When the discussion is about over-charging for film development, we'll rattle your chain.

/All claims are based on a geographical basis, therefore your results may vary.
//Meaning that's how shiat works around here.

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LOL. I understand your anger because after all, this was the original issue but umm...you do know that BJ's and CostCo provide the same service to independent grocery stores, don't you? And one day in a relevent thread (not this one) I want you to explain to me the relevance of your angry defense of Mom & Pop stores. I never said they were doing anything wrong or unethical. As a matter of fact, all you did was expound on my point:


DRO: I'm sure that you realized "Krogers" was used as an example but it would have taken away from whatever point you were trying to prove. I guess I should have said CostCO or BJ's. Either way, non members pay a premium to "corner" store owners on food that has already been purchased.


YOU: Sure he is marking them up, but he drove the 30 miles to the store so his customers wouldn't have to.


Thanks for telling us WHY they mark it up (as if it was relevant) while you were attempting to dispute my point that...they mark it up. Oh, and if the boycott successfully keeps the grocery store in the neighborhood they won't NEED your buddy the independant grocer to drive 30 miles to retrieve the same goods. I didn't think that was hard to grasp but I see you're having a problem with it.
 
2007-11-29 03:58:25 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND : "Thanks for telling us WHY they mark it up (as if it was relevant) while you were attempting to dispute my point that...they mark it up."

Um, you gave a regular supermarket ("Krogers") as the source of their (implied as ill-gotten) stock.

You said they buy from another (not urban) store at THEIR full price and THEN mark it up even further. I've heard that one before, mostly before they launch into an explanation how the Drug Trade or something else is a plot against minorities as well. Sigh.

I guess a (particularly stupid) grocer COULD buy his stock exclusively from BJ's or Sam's, but (1) you didn't name those as sources and (2) wholesalers exist outside of the shopper's club universe, many with better prices for those buying in bulk. Like grocery stores, say.

"Oh, and if the boycott successfully keeps the grocery store in the neighborhood they won't NEED your buddy the independent grocer to drive 30 miles to retrieve the same goods. I didn't think that was hard to grasp but I see you're having a problem with it.

Yes, explain to us all how punishing someone who wants not to sell you stuff at a store by not buying stuff at that store will persuade him that selling groceries at a loss is a GOOD business plan. Please.

I didn't think the idea that selling stuff at a loss is a BAD idea was all that hard to grasp, but I can see that you're having a problem with it.

//It's not always about Race, you know.
//Sometimes it's about money.
//If you think Kroger is running the store wrong, than you should exploit the
//business opportunity that just opened up - rather than imagine that they're
//exploiting their customers for not wanting to sell at a loss.
 
2007-11-29 04:39:30 PM  
bmasso: DROxINxTHExWIND : "Thanks for telling us WHY they mark it up (as if it was relevant) while you were attempting to dispute my point that...they mark it up."

Um, you gave a regular supermarket ("Krogers") as the source of their (implied as ill-gotten) stock.

You said they buy from another (not urban) store at THEIR full price and THEN mark it up even further. I've heard that one before, mostly before they launch into an explanation how the Drug Trade or something else is a plot against minorities as well. Sigh.

I guess a (particularly stupid) grocer COULD buy his stock exclusively from BJ's or Sam's, but (1) you didn't name those as sources and (2) wholesalers exist outside of the shopper's club universe, many with better prices for those buying in bulk. Like grocery stores, say.


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Do you realize that the things that we post remain above and all it takes is a scroll up to see that you are being untruthful? Please, quote me saying ONE of those things that you have attributed to me. The reason that you had to type it out instead of clicking on that little "" next to my name is that I never said those things. In fact, I even said:

"I want you to explain to me the relevance of your angry defense of Mom & Pop stores. I never said they were doing anything wrong or unethical".

LOL. So, why are you posting an angry defense of Mom & Pop stores?
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DRO: "Oh, and if the boycott successfully keeps the grocery store in the neighborhood they won't NEED your buddy the independent grocer to drive 30 miles to retrieve the same goods. I didn't think that was hard to grasp but I see you're having a problem with it.

bmasso: Yes, explain to us all how punishing someone who wants not to sell you stuff at a store by not buying stuff at that store will persuade him that selling groceries at a loss is a GOOD business plan. Please.
I didn't think the idea that selling stuff at a loss is a BAD idea was all that hard to grasp, but I can see that you're having a problem with it.
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DRO: Well, seeing as the NAACP is a national organization, the idea was to have people from all around the country stop purchasing groceries from their stores. Now, if they successfully got people in Georgia, Arkansas, and other parts of Ohio to shop elsewhere, I think the eefect would be dramatically more than the cost of holding on to one poorly performing store. For people who act smart, some of you sure lack common sense. Is it that you could not understand that or were you so busy trying to attack the black guy for supporting the blacks that you missed that point?

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//It's not always about Race, you know.
//Sometimes it's about money.
//If you think Kroger is running the store wrong, than you should exploit the
//business opportunity that just opened up - rather than imagine that they're
//exploiting their customers for not wanting to sell at a loss.

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You win. Why argue with someone who doesn't pay attention? You needed to tell me that it's not about race even after I said:

The NAACP does not only get involved in an issue because they think something "racist" is going on,...


Nowhere in the article or in any of my post has ANYONE claimed that Krogers is closing the store because of "racism" or to "stick it to black people". Nowhere. So, because Krogers decision is not racist does that mean that black people are not allowed to petition the store to stay open? Does the NAACP being mentioned automatically mean that every black person thinks Krogers is a racist organization? Grow up. Learn to read. And more importantly, don't be ashmed to admit to yourself that your anger towards these people, who only want to keep a store in their neighborhood, is possibly coming from another place.
 
2007-11-29 05:11:12 PM  
Kroger closed down some Fred Mayer stores in my area, and opened some new Smith's Marketplace stores.

My dad's worked for Smith's for 28 years now, and they used to treat him great. Profit sharing, large bonuses, good pay. Kroger came into town and bought Fred Mayer (owner of Smith's) and cut my dad's pay by $20k a year, stopped giving bonuses and profit sharing. I'm a bit bitter about the whole thing, as is the rest of my family.
 
2007-11-29 05:26:00 PM  
slewfootedhoopajoo: Why can't people realize the "majority" of the black community and the "majority" white community can't get along...it hasn't worked yet, and no signs of it ever working...

GB2 Stormfront
 
2007-11-29 06:21:07 PM  
I can already see them walking in the street around the closing store with candles and singing "We Shall Overcome."
 
2007-11-29 09:33:09 PM  
Thurg: JaredPointer: The African American community will be better off when they decide to boycott the NAACP and search out some true leadership. You know, instead of trying to blame every problem and inconvenience on someone else.

Yup.

/black


The problem is that they need leadership, You don't see White,
Oriental,Indian,Pakistani,etc. leadership.
 
2007-11-29 09:38:20 PM  
Who cares? They screw their employees anyway.
 
2007-11-29 11:13:36 PM  
tony41454: Who cares? They screw their employees anyway.

Really? Are they cute?
 
2007-11-29 11:45:50 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND : Do you realize that the things that we post remain above and all it takes is a scroll up to see that you are being untruthful? Please, quote me saying ONE of those things that you have attributed to me. The reason that you had to type it out instead of clicking on that little "" next to my name is that I never said those things."

OK.

BMasso : "You said they buy from another (not urban) store at THEIR full price and THEN mark it up even further."

DROxINxTHExWIND : "The store owners drive out to the more affluent neighborhoods and stock up on grocery items from a Krogers and then they resell these items to the underpriviledged at a premium. The end result is that poor people end up spending much more for basic goods than people with means, and then Farkers want to know why these "lazy" people can't seem to save any money."


Re: the boycott making sense, there's two aspects to that....

Tactics : If enough followers of the two Reverands (Jackson & Sharpton) could join in, theoretically they COULD blackmail (NPI) Kroger into keeping money-losing stores open.
They won't. And Kroger won't.
Oh, and unicorns aren't real. Sorry.

Morals : The whole point of the ruckus is that there are NO other grocery outlets left in the area - Sooooo... rather than punish the chains that bailed early - or never even tried to run a store there - you're punishing the chain that held out the longest and at least TRIED to provide the service.
Way to encourage other chains to try their luck next time out, there.

//And more importantly, don't be ashmed to admit to yourself that your anger towards these people, who only want to not lose money in this (your?) neighborhood, is possibly coming from another place.
 
2007-11-30 12:00:28 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:
First, your little attitude is both amusing and unneccessary. My disclosure that I used to manage a Peoples Drug (now CVS) was to show that I knew what I was talking about with regards to shrinkage.

.


Like a frightened turtle?

Thats all I got.
 
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