BUTTSECKS?

or alternatively

ALCOHOLICS IN MY COUNTRY??

Have a nanny seat, right over there.

Careful, young Britons. They say alcoholism leads to poor dental hygiene.

themindiswatching
And here in California one would be happy if they didn't kick you out at 1:30 when they can still serve drinks till 2...

I started working at a bar about a month and a half ago, and it's necessary to start shooing people towards the door at least 20 minutes early in order to get them all out in time. Of course here in Wisconsin we tend to drink a lot and people are rather drunk and difficult to herd towards the door.

And on weekends when we can legally serve until 2:30 it's even harder to get people out.

my question aboput a 24 hour pub is when do people clean the damn bar?

Right, well I'll call that a good start.

/American
//Off work an hour ago.
///Drunk

Over here in Murrica, we have bars open until 2-3-4-5-6 all over the place, and I don't see any problems.

Damnit....It's Bolivian....Get it right.

That chick on the bench looked hot.

I'd just like to see the age limit raised to the American standard of 21. Yeah, I usually disagree with the US puritanism, but on this I'm onside with them. It was SO nice to go into a bar over there and not have to deal with a bunch of teenage assholes, the atmosphere was a lot nicer. Sure, kids'll still drink, but they'll have to do it behind closed doors and out of my damn way. It's a lot harder for a 15 year old to pretend to be 21 than 18. Stricter carding as well.

BTW, nice one subby for submitting something about the UK without the words N*nny St*te in the headline. I think even some of the Yanks are getting sick of that cliche.

ha ha

SoxSweepAgain: Over here in Murrica, we have bars open until 2-3-4-5-6 all over the place, and I don't see any problems.

See my point about age limits and carding. You lot are a deal more, um, maternalistic about such things, and it works well.

In other news, teenagers are fugging stupid.

I think even some of the Yanks are getting sick of that cliche.

It's not a cliche it's reality.

Daily Mail check list for this article

[x] Young people bad
[x] Labour policy has failed

Unfortunately it's missing "Better in the old days" and "The Royals aren't batshiat crazy they're just misunderstood." They had this article a couple of months ago where they blamed the internet for the downfall of society. A large percentage of Daily Mail articles are about the downfall of society. Remember, if you read the mail, you support Hitler.

Beware Oblivion is at Hand

rikdanger: nice!

lolmao666: It's not a cliche it's reality.

Um, look up the definition of cliche old chap. Might be true, but it's also exaggerated and boring. Then find me a country in the 1st world that isn't getting into its citizen's faces, even the Land of the Free.

AaaPha: I'd just like to see the age limit raised to the American standard of 21. Yeah, I usually disagree with the US puritanism, but on this I'm onside with them. It was SO nice to go into a bar over there and not have to deal with a bunch of teenage assholes, the atmosphere was a lot nicer. Sure, kids'll still drink, but they'll have to do it behind closed doors and out of my damn way. It's a lot harder for a 15 year old to pretend to be 21 than 18. Stricter carding as well.

Since you wrote 'asshole' instead of 'arsehole' (and the term 'kids' for children) it sounds like you are an American who is doing a poor job of faking it. Beyond the spelling issue, however, it's clear that you've never set foot in an English pub.

English pubs are socially segregated by age and class. The "problem drinker yobs" are not standing shoulder to shoulder with your more responsible drinker in the same pub - they're in a different one across town. Nor is age really the key factor with the problem drinkers - it's social status. Obviously, you can't make laws based on social status (as much as we'd like to, sometimes).

You see, the knife cuts both ways - with the assinine American age 21 rules, you have otherwise responsiblish young adults who never learn to imbibe and be around alcohol in an adult way. Hence, if you see 23 year old med students in a bar in the USA, their conversations tend to be immature prattle about the alcohol itself (including far too much talk about how they much prefer some nonsense cutesy flavoured "tini" variant with some particular branded alcohol as if they (or you) could actually tell the difference). To wit, I was just in the USA a few days ago having dinner with a gaggle of mid-career Ivy-league university professors who were discussing table wine as if it were Château Lafite.

Pixelvision: Daily Mail check list for this article

[x] Young people bad
[x] Labour policy has failed

They're right in this case.

Unfortunately it's missing "Better in the old days" and "The Royals aren't batshiat crazy they're just misunderstood." They had this article a couple of months ago where they blamed the internet for the downfall of society. A large percentage of Daily Mail articles are about the downfall of society. Remember, if you read the mail, you support Hitler.

And so are you. Terrible paper, which is why it ends up on "...not news" sites like this. Thank Christ most subbys haven't discvered the Daily Express yet...

Bomb Head Mohammed: Since you wrote 'asshole' instead of 'arsehole' (and the term 'kids' for children) it sounds like you are an American who is doing a poor job of faking it. Beyond the spelling issue, however, it's clear that you've never set foot in an English pub.

Hahahahahahaha! Now there's a freaking irony. No, I'm as British as black-pudding and steak and kidney pie, but I lived for a long time in the US and have an American wife and halfie kids, which is why I'm as likely to call you a jackass as a wankshaft. Dude.

Awesome.

I've been to a lot of pubs over here, and a lot of bars over there, and I just preferred it in the States. A lot. I do take your point, you're right for the most part, but you just don't get the same kind of tomfoolery in the States (or at least the ones I drank in).

Yes, you get immature drinkers in their 20s, but you don't get the little brats vomiting in the streets, or not to the same extent. And as for being a class thing, I've lived in a few university towns on both sides, and it's here that you get spoiled trustafarians throwing up side by side with the chavs.

AaaPha: lolmao666: It's not a cliche it's reality.

Um, look up the definition of cliche old chap. Might be true, but it's also exaggerated and boring. Then find me a country in the 1st world that isn't getting into its citizen's faces, even the Land of the Free.

Netherlands? Switzerland?

Malice: That chick on the bench looked hot.

Betcha she's a butterface.

yarnothuntin: Netherlands? Switzerland?

Yes. And? Or is only one flavour of nannyism allowed to be pointed out? Kinda like UK CCTVs = bad, US armed thugs searching and seizing without warrants / Secret Service agents detaining schoolkids = to be ignored if there's a point to be made about someone else's shiat.

Just because you can smoke pot legally in the NL for example (for now) doesn't mean they're not in your business in many other respects. This is Europe FFS! Switzerland I don't know too much about, but I'm willing to bet good money that their government gets involved in their lives to an annoying extent in some way.

AaaPha: I've been to a lot of pubs over here, and a lot of bars over there, and I just preferred it in the States. A lot. I do take your point, you're right for the most part, but you just don't get the same kind of tomfoolery in the States (or at least the ones I drank in).

Yes, you get immature drinkers in their 20s, but you don't get the little brats vomiting in the streets, or not to the same extent. And as for being a class thing, I've lived in a few university towns on both sides, and it's here that you get spoiled trustafarians throwing up side by side with the chavs.

I think it is just a case of "grass is greener". I like the English drinking style better- I like walking into a pub or other place that serves alcohol and not being treated like I'm a criminal. But the things that irk you about English drinking habits I just find odd, or funny, or just accept as foreign to me. They don't bother me on a cultural level, they aren't my people. I do, however, get annoyed by American drinking culture.

I've run around England with a bunch of yobs and been the people that the Daily Mail is worried about. It is fun for an evening or two, but not much more than that. I'll tell you that raising the drinking age to 21 isn't even remotely going to help. That just isn't going to stop them, it is too ingrained. It isn't like 18 is a hard cutoff anyway- they just use it to get rid of you if they don't like you.

/England- afraid of its own people since 1066
//For good reason too

Salieri_82: Malice: That chick on the bench looked hot.

Betcha she's a butterface.

I wouldn't take that bet. You'd win.

AaaPha: yarnothuntin: Netherlands? Switzerland?

Yes. And? Or is only one flavour of nannyism allowed to be pointed out? Kinda like UK CCTVs = bad, US armed thugs searching and seizing without warrants / Secret Service agents detaining schoolkids = to be ignored if there's a point to be made about someone else's shiat.
Just because you can smoke pot legally in the NL for example (for now) doesn't mean they're not in your business in many other respects. This is Europe FFS! Switzerland I don't know too much about, but I'm willing to bet good money that their government gets involved in their lives to an annoying extent in some way.

Fantasy Island then? Of course there's always Tatto to worry about...

Salieri_82: Malice: That chick on the bench looked hot.

Betcha she's a butterface.

Not to be an ass, but ye old prone tit to gut ratio agrees:

Groy

Ehhh, I like both, I prefer English beer anyway. I just want to drink in a child-free zone and not have them puke on my lawn afterwards.

I never felt treated like a crim in the US though, just flash yer license and bang, job's a goodun. But that was in the South for the most part, people are a bit more socially relaxed in some ways there.

dwalder: I wouldn't want to be sober, either.

Christ, is that what we do for guidos in this country? Yeesh. Nothing like as hilarious.

KrispyKritter: Town ordinances and such.

No such thing. They're either illegal or rarely if ever made. The law is the law.

AxiomJackson: Few beers brings that ratio into perspective.

yarnothuntin: Fantasy Island then? Of course there's always Tatto to worry about...

Ok, now you've just lost me. Whatever.

If you think we're authoritarian, try Australia. NZ's not bad, more lax weed-laws, but corrupt as a motherfarker. Turns out everywhere's annoying as hell in some way.

Malice: AxiomJackson: Few beers brings that ratio into perspective.

I have never been one to disagree.
More cushion and all that.

AaaPha:
BTW, nice one subby for submitting something about the UK without the words N*nny St*te in the headline. I think even some of the Yanks are getting sick of that cliche.

they'll get sick of that just after they get sick of the big brother / bad teeth / worse food one. thankfully the lapdog ones seems to have died a death with golden brown.

24 hour drinking in the UK is a myth. The government opened the possibility for it, but hardly any venues have applied for it and even fewer have been granted it by local authorities. I have not found one 24 hour venue and I live in the heart of London.

All that's happened is that a pubs have gone for an extra hour or two at at the weekends, till 12 or 1. Clubs till three maybe. There has been no massive change at all.

RJ Ishmail:my question aboput a 24 hour pub is when do people clean the damn bar?

Ah the vagaries of a tabloid headline. Yes in Britain we do have licencing laws which allow pubs to stay open for 24 hours but only if the licencee wants to stay open that late and if such a licence is granted by the local council.

The reason that the licencing laws were relaxed was because a decade ago 90% of pubs kicked everyone out at 11pm, meaning everyone would get drunk as quickly as possible and herded into the street and as such there would be fights galore up and down the countries town centres, so by giving licencees the power to choose their own closing times it would hopefilly stop that particular problem by staggering when people went home and hopefully reducing the 'get drunk by 11pm' mentality and mass outbreaks of violence. Unfortunately it didn't work and people are still getting drunk by 11pm then drinking more

AaaPha: Turns out everywhere's annoying as hell in some way.

I think you are probably right with that. I guess you just choose the thing that annoys you least.

AaaPha: Ehhh, I like both, I prefer English beer anyway. I just want to drink in a child-free zone and not have them puke on my lawn afterwards.

I suppose I can't say that my experience is wide and varied- I drank mostly in London, in which it is much easier to escape from the younguns. Mostly they get priced out.

AaaPha: yarnothuntin: Fantasy Island then? Of course there's always Tatto to worry about...

Ok, now you've just lost me. Whatever.

If you think we're authoritarian, try Australia. NZ's not bad, more lax weed-laws, but corrupt as a motherfarker. Turns out everywhere's annoying as hell in some way.

It was a TV show a few years ago where people could go to this island and live out their fantasies. Tatto was Ricardo Montebans vertically challenged side kick who would announce the arrivals by shouting "Dee Plane! Dee Plane!"

I was making a lame attempt at a Utopia joke

Jonny17: 24 hour drinking in the UK is a myth. The government opened the possibility for it, but hardly any venues have applied for it and even fewer have been granted it by local authorities. I have not found one 24 hour venue and I live in the heart of London.

All that's happened is that a pubs have gone for an extra hour or two at at the weekends, till 12 or 1. Clubs till three maybe. There has been no massive change at all.

That's what I thought, but I haven't lived there in a year and I didn't want to talk about things I don't know about. I was there when it changed and I don't remember a single thing being different. I had a feeling it would be barely noticeable.

vartian: Well, it is so very nice that you are willing to strip rights away from your fellow citizens so you can avoid being annoyed.

Oh you people and your "rights". Buzzword, little more. You don't have a "right" to drink at any age, it's a privilege. No wonder people are so farking self-entitled, every goddamn thing is a "right".

Here's a tip, you have the right to free air, and even that's on a time limit. Everything else is a luxury borne of living at the time you do in the geographical position you do. Nothing more.

Phh, I guess this is why kids think they have the "right" to an Xbox or whatever.

And yes, I would, if I could, add limits to my fellow citizens' luxuries, and take limits away if appropriate. Drinking/voting age of 21 as I've never met an 18 year old who had an amazing grasp on reality, and after that freedom to take responsibility for the consequences of taking any drug you choose. And if you screw up, you pay for your medical treatment! I'm all for freedom and responsibility for adults.

TFA: "Drinking themselves into oblivion"

They should try for Morrowind or Skyrim.

Jonny17: All that's happened is that a pubs have gone for an extra hour or two at at the weekends, till 12 or 1. Clubs till three maybe. There has been no massive change at all.

Really? Must be a city thing. Out here in the sticks they all open till 2am at the weekends and clubs till 4-6. Just to fill the Americans in, London != the rest of the country in any way, shape, or form.

yarnothuntin: I was making a lame attempt at a Utopia joke

Oh that. Yeesh.

Groy: I think you are probably right with that. I guess you just choose the thing that annoys you least.

Totally. I found America incredibly authoritarian, they seem to ignore blatant Big-Brotherism if it's in support of the status quo, but fear conceptual crap that's more irritating than anything else. This is why I get confused at the constant American "OMG teh CCTVs!" stuff when the place is full of underqualified armed stormtroopers. I'll take the ineffectual inanimate objects cheers! Annoying and a terrible waste of money, sure, but they don't open fire on black people for no good reason, for EG.

sloughtown4ever:Unfortunately it didn't work and people are still getting drunk by 11pm then drinking more

speak for yourself mate, here in birmingham ive noticed a fairly big change, its quieter, easier to find a cab and fewer fights. people seem to drift off when they want to, now all this might be because ive matured a bit in the last few years and started being a little more sensible, but the extended hours have been very pleasant for me.

sloughtown4ever:

by giving licencees the power to choose their own closing times it would hopefilly stop that particular problem by staggering when people went home and hopefully reducing the 'get drunk by 11pm' mentality and mass outbreaks of violence. Unfortunately it didn't work and people are still getting drunk by 11pm then drinking more

Yeah, it was a nice idea (pubs closing at 11 on a friday/saturday was really annoying, as clubs are horrible and expensive), but it has been very badly managed. If you're going to dictate when people can drink for decades (centuries?), then suddenly allowing 24/7 drinking is like letting a dog off a leash. Yes, other european countries have more relaxed licensing laws and no such problems, but the UK genuinely does have a whole different history and culture around alcohol (especially beer) than they do. I'm not saying we can't change the situation to eliminate problems like those described in the article, but it's not going to happen by magic.

AaaPha: they don't open fire on black people for no good reason, for EG.

Course, if you're a Brazilian electrician you may be out of luck... Just getting that in before some other smart arse does. ;)

AxiomJackson:

Not to be an ass, but ye old prone tit to gut ratio agrees:

Meh. She's probably just pregnant.

Seperated by class eh. Who is this chav?

AaaPha:

Oh you people and your "rights". Buzzword, little more. You don't have a "right" to drink at any age, it's a privilege. No wonder people are so farking self-entitled, every goddamn thing is a "right".
And yes, I would, if I could, add limits to my fellow citizens' luxuries, and take limits away if appropriate. Drinking/voting age of 21 as I've never met an 18 year old who had an amazing grasp on reality, and after that freedom to take responsibility for the consequences of taking any drug you choose. And if you screw up, you pay for your medical treatment! I'm all for freedom and responsibility for adults.

No. No you aren't. The word freedom doesn't mean what you think it means.