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2007-11-21 07:36:55 PM
Perfect example of a cop pig who needs a cockpunch. Of course, they should all be cockpunched. I have no respect for any of them. I hope the "tazee" sues the fark out of both the piggy and the department.
 
2007-11-21 07:41:17 PM
He was going for the car. To get a weapon. Or go on a high speed chase. That wasn't really his wife and baby in the car, they were terrorists.

Yeah.

Dumbass tags to both.
 
2007-11-21 08:03:09 PM
I am less than fond of cops.... all cops.....

But this guy was just another dumbass. Do what the cop says. period. unless you're ready to shoot him.
 
2007-11-21 08:07:19 PM
Cop's an idiot. Driver's an idiot. Let the lawyers sort it out (your tax dollars hard at work)
 
2007-11-21 08:11:18 PM
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Authorities are speeding up their investigation of a state trooper who zapped a motorist with a Taser now that video of the traffic stop has been posted on YouTube, the Utah Highway Patrol said Wednesday.

The video, taken from Trooper John Gardner's patrol car, shows him drawing his Taser after Jared Massey refused to sign a speeding ticket Sept. 14 and walked away from the officer on U.S. 40 in eastern Utah.

A surprised Massey asks, "What the heck is wrong with you?"

Gardner fires, and Massey shrieks and falls.

"Face down! Face down! Put your hands behind your back!" Gardner orders.

A woman screaming hysterically emerges from the passenger side of the sport-utility vehicle Massey was driving, and the trooper tells her to get back inside "or you're going to jail, too."

Massey could not be reached for comment Wednesday. There was no phone listed for him in the Vernal area, where authorities said he is from. The highway patrol declined to make Gardner available for comment.

"I can't speculate on what was happening in the trooper's mind," said Trooper Cameron Roden, a patrol spokesman. "We have an internal investigation going on. ... With it coming out on YouTube, we have expedited the investigation."

The 10-minute video landed on YouTube after it was released to Massey under a public records request.

"We definitely have received a lot of feedback on it, calls and e-mail," Roden said.

Signing a speeding ticket is not an admission of guilt, Roden said. He described it as a promise that a motorist "will take care of the citation."

Under patrol policy, troopers can use a Taser if someone is a threat to themselves or others and other means of control are unreasonable, Roden said. Massey has filed a complaint, Roden said. He didn't know the status of the speeding ticket.
 
2007-11-21 08:12:34 PM
That was a pig, for sure. Policeman shouldn't act like pigs if they want respect. Nobody should sign anything under duress, especially during a police action. If pindick would have let the judge take care of it, he wouldn't have his mug all over Youtube.

The guy just seemed bewildered by the whole thing, at least until he took the header onto the pavement.
 
2007-11-21 08:20:57 PM
mailroomjack "With it coming out on YouTube, we have expedited the investigation."

Well, that's nice to know. How about everyone is allowed access to the dash camera for every single traffic stop?

Also, I love the cop's story as he tells it to the other officer. There's a grain of truth in there, but not much.
 
2007-11-21 08:26:10 PM
Crap. mailroomjack, my post may be unclear. I was directing my snark at the trooper's comment, not you. I have nothing but love and respect for you.
 
2007-11-21 08:27:52 PM
i got a seat-belt ticket a month ago as i was pulling into a gas station, i removed it as i was pulling in. i saw cops were just wrapping up with someone else in that lot, so i was on my p's and q's i thought. it was 1:55 am, they stop selling beer at 2, and i was the DD so i was finally ready to get mine. all three of us out of the car, and he wouldn't let either of the other two into the store to buy beer.

all of that is just a prelude to how petty the rest of the story is.

i got my ticket after a really inane conversation, and signed his top copy at the bottom. he looks at it and hands it back, and says "please sign it legibly".

wtf. it matches my license exactly. and, supposing i'm illiterate, a farking "X" counts as my signature.

so i signed it again in second-grade cursive, running out of room, and running half my last name vertically down the side of the ticket.

cops certainly don't like to do themselves any favors, do they?
 
2007-11-21 08:28:13 PM
As a former one of those guys you all love to hate, this cop appears to have been way out of line.

My question is, though...in this age of photo radar, red light cameras and speed enforcement blitzes in construction zones, school zones, etc., how the hell are there still jurisdictions where you actually have to SIGN your ticket? What is this, 1980?

A ticket is merely a summons being served by a Peace officer. HE makes the affidavit of service by signing his name to it. Having you sign it has no bearing that I know of on the veracity of the ticket or its enforceability.

(Although, many things about U.S tickets mystify me, not the least of which is how having to pay a ticket on the spot or face arrest in any way can be reconciled with Due Process.)

Getting a ticket should be a completely one-sided process. HE asks for your license and proof of insurance over, HE fills out the details, runs your plate/name for warrants, HE hands you the ticket and sends you on your way. If you feel you're innocent of the offense on the ticket, then you have the opportunity to attend traffic court (STFU about "losing a day's work" to fight it. There's no reasonable alternative). The point is, you and the cop shouldn't be arguing about it.

This whole business of requiring motorists to "sign" tickets when issued has caused probably hundreds of thousands of angry confrontations on the side of the road needlessly. That's why every jurisdiction with any common sense hasn't done it in YEARS.
 
2007-11-21 08:34:56 PM
I just want every cop to know that I will gladly take a taser for a large cash settlement from the city you work for.
 
2007-11-21 08:36:24 PM
Crazymuthafarker: Perfect example of a cop pig who needs a cockpunch. Of course, they should all be cockpunched. I have no respect for any of them. I hope the "tazee" sues the fark out of both the piggy and the department.

Your statement makes you sound like an overly-self-entitled white person, did you know that?

Sign the ticket, if you're innocent... fight it in court (unless you really DID violate a law, then be a man, admit your mistake and take responsibility)... is this new to people? Or just new to precious little snowflakes..?
 
2007-11-21 08:37:35 PM
I don't know about there.. but here, if you demand the cop show you the reading on the radar, he has to show it to you. They're not supposed to clear the reading until after the citation has been issued. If he can't or won't show the reading, then no ticket.
 
2007-11-21 08:38:19 PM
Highroller48: This whole business of requiring motorists to "sign" tickets when issued has caused probably hundreds of thousands of angry confrontations on the side of the road needlessly. That's why every jurisdiction with any common sense hasn't done it in YEARS.

When I got stopped I had to sign and was told that it was to prove that I received the ticket. I guess it's to prevent people saying "Hey man, I didn't receive no ticket" or something.
 
2007-11-21 08:41:17 PM
Alacritous: I don't know about there.. but here, if you demand the cop show you the reading on the radar, he has to show it to you. They're not supposed to clear the reading until after the citation has been issued. If he can't or won't show the reading, then no ticket.

I don't think he had him on radar, I think he "paced" him. I thought (maybe mistakenly, I welcome corrections) that you have to be stationary in order to use a radar.
 
2007-11-21 08:41:33 PM
During the "Click it or Ticket" end-of-the-year fund-raising drive, let's all who get pulled over or caught in one of those "road blocks" (show your papers, please) just say "no."

If three people, can you imagine, three people say "no" we got us a movement.

/Happy Thanksgiving
 
2007-11-21 08:42:58 PM
In a just society, that cop would go to prison. There was absolutely no justification for what he did- it was plain, unprovoked assault & battery.

Cops should be held to higher standards than the rest of us, and if I tasered a person for turning their back on me, I'd go to prison.
 
2007-11-21 08:44:42 PM
Highroller48: As a former one of those guys you all love to hate, this cop appears to have been way out of line.

My question is, though...in this age of photo radar, red light cameras and speed enforcement blitzes in construction zones, school zones, etc., how the hell are there still jurisdictions where you actually have to SIGN your ticket? What is this, 1980?

A ticket is merely a summons being served by a Peace officer. HE makes the affidavit of service by signing his name to it. Having you sign it has no bearing that I know of on the veracity of the ticket or its enforceability.

(Although, many things about U.S tickets mystify me, not the least of which is how having to pay a ticket on the spot or face arrest in any way can be reconciled with Due Process.)

Getting a ticket should be a completely one-sided process. HE asks for your license and proof of insurance over, HE fills out the details, runs your plate/name for warrants, HE hands you the ticket and sends you on your way. If you feel you're innocent of the offense on the ticket, then you have the opportunity to attend traffic court (STFU about "losing a day's work" to fight it. There's no reasonable alternative). The point is, you and the cop shouldn't be arguing about it.

This whole business of requiring motorists to "sign" tickets when issued has caused probably hundreds of thousands of angry confrontations on the side of the road needlessly. That's why every jurisdiction with any common sense hasn't done it in YEARS.



I was in the midst of posting something in the same vein. I've had 3 tickets in 20 years of driving. One was legit and the other two...well, let's just say the officer was stretching mightily and I nailed him for it (Ya hear me Officer Badger?) I've never signed a ticket. There was no reason the dumbass should have had to sign that ticket.

/Don't really hate all cops. Just the ones that abuse the public trust to fill their quota of asshattery.
 
2007-11-21 08:50:41 PM
The cop was literally reaching for the Taser as he was telling the guy to put his hands behind his back for the FIRST time. The guy clearly didn't even understand he was about the be placed under arrest until the Taser was already pointed at him. I've never seen anything like that before...and my Dad is a cop.

What's even more amazing is that the guy had his BACK to the cop because he was being told to turn around! Tased in the back? That's wrong!
 
2007-11-21 08:54:36 PM
RocketRod: Crazymuthafarker: Perfect example of a cop pig who needs a cockpunch. Of course, they should all be cockpunched. I have no respect for any of them. I hope the "tazee" sues the fark out of both the piggy and the department.

Your statement makes you sound like an overly-self-entitled white person, did you know that?

Sign the ticket, if you're innocent... fight it in court (unless you really DID violate a law, then be a man, admit your mistake and take responsibility)... is this new to people? Or just new to precious little snowflakes..?


I am not overly self entitled but I am also not going to kneel down and take it in the ass for a guy who took some community college courses to get a badge and gun. a fairly high percentage of people seem to do just that and reinforce the cops feeling of superiority. The burden of proof is on them. If you can prove to me that I was doing 10 over the limit when I know I wasn't then you should have no reason to not show me the radar reading. That is precisely what happened when I got my first ticket. Turns out my speedometer was out of whack. I took the hit and had it fixed.
 
2007-11-21 08:56:25 PM
Crazymuthafarker: Perfect example of a cop pig who needs a cockpunch. Of course, they should all be cockpunched. I have no respect for any of them.

I hope you remember what you posted the next time someone breaks into your house, steals your car or murders a family member.

I bet if any one of those things happen, you'll be dialing 911 in a panic like everyone else that has "no respect" for cops.

Not trying to single you out, but you do realize there are dickheads in every profession. Sooner or later you'll encounter one. I've had more run-ins with good cops than bad ones. And one thing I've noticed with cops(and just about anyone else), you act like a dick, they're gonna act like a dick. Most people that are "harassed" by the police, usually do something to bring it upon themselves.

The best thing to do with the police, whether they're wrong or not, is be courteous and do what they ask of you. If the police are in the wrong, let the courts handle it. Unless police are trying to kill or injure you for no good reason, then do what you have to do.
 
2007-11-21 08:57:55 PM
Crazymuthafarker: I am not overly self entitled but I am also not going to kneel down and take it in the ass for a guy who took some community college courses to get a badge and gun. a fairly high percentage of people seem to do just that and reinforce the cops feeling of superiority. The burden of proof is on them. If you can prove to me that I was doing 10 over the limit when I know I wasn't then you should have no reason to not show me the radar reading. That is precisely what happened when I got my first ticket. Turns out my speedometer was out of whack. I took the hit and had it fixed.

They shouldn't have to prove anything to you on the side of the road. That is what court is for.

"Officer, I realize you are here to arrest me for murder but I just don't feel you met MY burden of proof."
 
2007-11-21 08:58:27 PM
PacManDreaming: I hope you remember what you posted the next time someone breaks into your house, steals your car or murders a family member.

I bet if any one of those things happen, you'll be dialing 911 in a panic like everyone else that has "no respect" for cops.


He might, but the police would be of absolutely no help to him at that point.
 
2007-11-21 08:59:35 PM
The motorist may have been a dumbass for refusing to sign, but the cop tazing him is a freaking nazi. He should have his badge taken away, and he should be forced by court order to undergo anger management and psychological evaluations before they even consider giving it back.

I'm not a cop hater by any means, but this pig need a desk job... or better yet, a new job... say, maybe, graveyard cashier at a ghetto-area 7-11.
 
2007-11-21 09:01:17 PM
Churchill2004: He might, but the police would be of absolutely no help to him at that point.

Try to file with your insurance company when your car is stolen without a police report.
 
2007-11-21 09:02:01 PM
He wasn't tasered because he wouldn't sign the ticket.

He was tasered because he wouldn't do what the cop said to do, thereby challenging his au-thor-I-TAY, thereby making the cop's peener shrink to concave proportions. And we can't have that, can we?

I think that tasers need to be outlawed. Too many cops with too many self-esteem issues that shouldn't be cops in the first place have them and are using them instead of common sense and civility.
 
2007-11-21 09:05:00 PM
PacManDreaming: I hope you remember what you posted the next time someone breaks into your house

You know what, I don't hate cops as a whole ("I am the law" assholes like this guy are a different story), but about the only thing cops are useful for if someone breaks into your house is in writing up a report for you to give to your insurance company. They won't find your stuff, they won't look for whoever broke into your place. They're almost useless in those situations.

But they're real good at writing tickets.
 
2007-11-21 09:05:35 PM
darkhorse23: I think that tasers need to be outlawed. Too many cops with too many self-esteem issues that shouldn't be cops in the first place have them and are using them instead of common sense and civility.

not that i'm defending what this jackass did, but better he uses a taser, which, ostensibly at least, is non-lethal, then he shoots the guy with his gun.
 
2007-11-21 09:06:57 PM
Ryan2065: Churchill2004: He might, but the police would be of absolutely no help to him at that point.

Try to file with your insurance company when your car is stolen without a police report.


Big whoop- they can certify that a car was, indeed, stolen. Not that they did anything to stop it from being stolen (or to stop anyone from being murdered, or to stop any burglaries), which is the supposed benefit of having the ridiculous amount of police officers that we have in this country.
 
2007-11-21 09:07:40 PM
SilentStrider: not that i'm defending what this jackass did, but better he uses a taser, which, ostensibly at least, is non-lethal, then he shoots the guy with his gun.

Amen to that.
 
2007-11-21 09:08:13 PM
Nerdlinger: PacManDreaming: I hope you remember what you posted the next time someone breaks into your house

You know what, I don't hate cops as a whole ("I am the law" assholes like this guy are a different story), but about the only thing cops are useful for if someone breaks into your house is in writing up a report for you to give to your insurance company. They won't find your stuff, they won't look for whoever broke into your place. They're almost useless in those situations.

But they're real good at writing tickets.


Exactly- when it comes to actual crime, cops are little more than glorified janitors/notaries.
 
2007-11-21 09:08:36 PM
Churchill2004: Big whoop- they can certify that a car was, indeed, stolen. Not that they did anything to stop it from being stolen (or to stop anyone from being murdered, or to stop any burglaries), which is the supposed benefit of having the ridiculous amount of police officers that we have in this country.

Hey - they've got TICKETS to write, goddammit. How else are they gonna get paid?
 
2007-11-21 09:12:29 PM
Churchill2004: PacManDreaming: I hope you remember what you posted the next time someone breaks into your house, steals your car or murders a family member.

I bet if any one of those things happen, you'll be dialing 911 in a panic like everyone else that has "no respect" for cops.

He might, but the police would be of absolutely no help to him at that point.


Actually someone did murder a family member. My cousin was killed in 1998. One viable suspect. His girlfriend had no alibi. She was seen with him 2 hours before he died and was jacked up on some narcotics. She was questioned for about an hour and released. She has since moved to Juarez.
 
2007-11-21 09:12:48 PM
After shooting the guy, not telling the guy why he was being arrested, and not reading the guy his Miranda rights, the cop THEN lies to his supervisor about the ticket-signing situation.

All this, plus a follow-up search of the car without warrant or probable cause -- oh man, that pregnant woman is carrying a child who will go to Harvard for free.

Thanks, you Utah Statie asshat!
 
2007-11-21 09:15:33 PM
DarthBrooks: After shooting the guy, not telling the guy why he was being arrested, and not reading the guy his Miranda rights, the cop THEN lies to his supervisor about the ticket-signing situation.

All this, plus a follow-up search of the car without warrant or probable cause -- oh man, that pregnant woman is carrying a child who will go to Harvard for free.

Thanks, you Utah Statie asshat!


What's really a shame is that, if this guy does get awarded some kind of damages, it will be the taxpayers who pay for it, not the cop.

So, we pay for the unnecessary thug of a cop.
Then, we get to pay his victims.
Oh, and if you don't pay, the thug will send his friends to haul you off to jail.

Brilliant system we've got going here.
 
2007-11-21 09:16:00 PM
Crazymuthafarker: I am not overly self entitled but I am also not going to kneel down and take it in the ass for a guy who took some community college courses to get a badge and gun.

So you have a sense of superiority over law enforcement personnel..? I wonder how many Community College grads there are on Fark who would take issue with that statement.

The burden of proof is on them.

Actually, no. That happens in court. Or did you skip Civics class that day?

That is precisely what happened when I got my first ticket. Turns out my speedometer was out of whack. I took the hit and had it fixed.

So you didn't initially take responsibility to make sure your vehicle was in proper running order? Why didn't you have your car fully checked out before you took it on the road?


See, these are just small items in the "social contract" we all sign onto when we decide to enjoy the privileges of driving.

As for this wannabe-hippie in his minivan... I'm just sorry there weren't more volts in that taser. Scorch marks make a better impression.

/races cars
//on tracks
///fan of Tom Swift
 
2007-11-21 09:18:59 PM
RocketRod: As for this wannabe-hippie in his minivan... I'm just sorry there weren't more volts in that taser. Scorch marks make a better impression.

Goddammit, Cheney, stop posting under this alt.
 
2007-11-21 09:20:22 PM
RocketRod: See, these are just small items in the "social contract" we all sign onto when we decide to enjoy the privileges of driving.

The "social contract" is an abstract fiction used to justify the subordination of the people to the state. It has no basis in reality.
 
2007-11-21 09:20:39 PM
Highroller48: ...every jurisdiction with any common sense hasn't done it in YEARS.

Interesting, and I haven't earned myself a ticket in years, either, but every one I have ever received said "Promise to appear" above the signature. I once asked a cop about this.

Cop: Sign here.
Me: What does it mean when I sign this?
Cop: By signing, you acknowledge receipt of this ticket, and you promise to appear in court or forfeit bail.
Me: What if I don't sign it?
Cop: Then I have to arrest you and take you to jail to wait for your court appearance.
Me: (signs)
 
2007-11-21 09:27:57 PM
Watch the drivers hands. He was not obeying the officers orders and appears to be fiddling with one of his pockets or something. If the cop thought he was trying to get a weapon out of his pocket then his actions are understandable.

You do what a cop says, fight it later if it was unreasonable.
 
2007-11-21 09:31:10 PM
Failing_Junk: If the cop thought he was trying to get a weapon out of his pocket then he's an idiot his actions are understandable.

ftfy
 
2007-11-21 09:35:27 PM
Churchill2004: Failing_Junk: If the cop thought he was trying to get a weapon out of his pocket then he's an idiot his actions are understandable.

ftfy


Why do you say that? It is not clear at all to me from watching the video wtf he was doing with that hand. The more i watch the video the more reasonable the officers actions appear.
 
2007-11-21 09:39:30 PM
Failing_Junk: You do what a cop says, fight it later if it was unreasonable.

that's not democracy.
 
2007-11-21 09:40:07 PM
The Taser: when your verbal judo just won't cut it.
 
2007-11-21 09:42:55 PM
TemporarySanity: Failing_Junk: You do what a cop says, fight it later if it was unreasonable.

that's not democracy.


Democracy is simply majority rule- in and of itself not something to be desired. I believe the term you're looking for is "freedom" or "liberty".
 
2007-11-21 09:42:57 PM
RocketRod: Crazymuthafarker: I am not overly self entitled but I am also not going to kneel down and take it in the ass for a guy who took some community college courses to get a badge and gun.

So you have a sense of superiority over law enforcement personnel..? I wonder how many Community College grads there are on Fark who would take issue with that statement.

The burden of proof is on them.

Actually, no. That happens in court. Or did you skip Civics class that day?

That is precisely what happened when I got my first ticket. Turns out my speedometer was out of whack. I took the hit and had it fixed.

So you didn't initially take responsibility to make sure your vehicle was in proper running order? Why didn't you have your car fully checked out before you took it on the road?


See, these are just small items in the "social contract" we all sign onto when we decide to enjoy the privileges of driving.

As for this wannabe-hippie in his minivan... I'm just sorry there weren't more volts in that taser. Scorch marks make a better impression.

/races cars
//on tracks
///fan of Tom Swift


Speedo was off by 6 mph. Replaced the entire mechanism, cable and gauge at a "speed shop". Well, that's what the guy that owned the place called it anyway. As for burden of proof and going to court...I have gone that route and won. The cop was a smarmy little motorcycle cop that said my right rear tire went 1/4 of an inch over the white turn line. OMGWTFBBQ!! I should have fried for that. I told him to prove it. He couldn't. I also got him in a slight bind because he was deep in some bushes. He actually walked up to my car in the turn lane to pull me over. (serves me right for going to Taco Bell) I have a camera in my car at all times for accidents, pretty flowers,and asshat cops. I took a picture of my tire resting comfortably on the legal side of the line and took a picture of his bike deep within the bushes. Once he left (after trying to take my poloroid snaps btw) I took a picture from his vantage point in the bush. Couldn't see shiat. If you're a good cop and treat people fairly, fine. But if you come up with an attitude...Prepare to be farked with. Don't be a dick for the sake of being a dick. I don't think myself superior to cops. Slightly less than equal. Ever so slightly.
 
2007-11-21 09:50:38 PM
TemporarySanity: Failing_Junk: You do what a cop says, fight it later if it was unreasonable.

that's not democracy.


Its a reality of law enforcement that traffic stops are a dangerous activity for them. If an officer tells you to place your hands on the car and your reaction is reaching in your pocket and walking away then you are going to get tasered and i am going to support the officer.

All this "OMG police state" crap in this thread is exactly that, crap. Look at what the federal government is doing, not what some cop is doing dealing with a belligerent idiot.

If you are going to argue with a cop don't do it with a hand in your farking pocket.
 
2007-11-21 09:54:59 PM
Failing_Junk: TemporarySanity: Failing_Junk: You do what a cop says, fight it later if it was unreasonable.

that's not democracy.

Its a reality of law enforcement that traffic stops are a dangerous activity for them. If an officer tells you to place your hands on the car and your reaction is reaching in your pocket and walking away then you are going to get tasered and i am going to support the officer.

All this "OMG police state" crap in this thread is exactly that, crap. Look at what the federal government is doing, not what some cop is doing dealing with a belligerent idiot.

If you are going to argue with a cop don't do it with a hand in your farking pocket.


So can I shoot anyone if I demand they do something and they instead put their hands in their pocket and walk away?
 
2007-11-21 09:57:41 PM
ok, someone please explain this. why has rampant taser abuse only cropped up within the last year, year and a half? i remember them using one in Natural Born Killers which is from 1994, i think, and i also remember beavis back in his heyday saying "use the taser! the chokehold!"
 
2007-11-21 10:00:30 PM
Churchill2004: So can I shoot anyone if I demand they do something and they instead put their hands in their pocket and walk away?

If you were a cop and you didn't have a taser you would draw your weapon in that situation.
 
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