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2007-11-21 03:00:24 PM

Ryan2065:

You know the guy is a human who can change right?


BFF. Subdivision. Soccer Mom.

C'mon man, get real. They don't think. They feeeeeeeeel, which as we all know, is infinitely better. At least according to politicians.
 
2007-11-21 03:01:09 PM
ph0rk: MikeMc: Ashrams: You know what the recidivism rate of sex offenders if you keep them behind bars?

You know what the recidivism rate of any convicted felon is if you execute them immediately after the jury verdict comes in?

Because a jury would -never- convict the wrong person. Ever.


www.foxnews.com

Or acquit the right person.
 
2007-11-21 03:02:13 PM
I don't know these laws very well, but they don't prevent these people from being within so many feet of these places, right? It's not like they're stopping pedos from walking by schools or bus stops or watching kids at parks. These crimes can and will happen anywhere, and it doesn't matter where the offender lives.
 
2007-11-21 03:02:26 PM
I skipped most of the thread, is the numerous and vocal Fark NAMBLA wing representing like usual?
 
2007-11-21 03:02:50 PM
Is this because we are not going to let them live at all?
 
2007-11-21 03:03:28 PM
Sum Dum Gai: Ashrams
You know what the recidivism rate of sex offenders if you keep them behind bars?

The same could be said of any criminal, should we just make all crime give an automatic life sentence?


Why not, any crime where house arrest would not be safficiant should require life.

Why should people who don't commit a crime worry about the ones that do.
 
2007-11-21 03:06:33 PM
nopokerface
I skipped most of the thread, is the numerous and vocal Fark NAMBLA wing representing like usual?


The North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association?
 
2007-11-21 03:06:44 PM
nopokerface: I skipped most of the thread, is the numerous and vocal Fark NAMBLA wing representing like usual?

Yes we are. It feels good to stick in to what we believe in.
 
2007-11-21 03:07:00 PM

You know what the recidivism rate of sex offenders if you keep them behind bars?



Extremely high, but we don't give a shiat about their victims anymore.

/at least I don't
 
2007-11-21 03:08:00 PM
puskunk:

The North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association?


From the neck down, I'm a member.
 
2007-11-21 03:08:52 PM
teeny: My best friend bought a brand new house in a subdivision, only to find out later that she shared her back fence with a sex offender, registered for pedophilia. She has 3 small kids. She is not happy.

I understand that it's not going to solve the problem by keeping them a certain distance from schools and churches. However, I wish someone would come up with an idea to prevent people from being stuck living next to one because privacy laws prevented the home builder from divulging such information before everything was official.


You are aware that there have ALWAYS been pedophiles, right? And there always WILL be pedophiles. Knowing about one living next door doesn't put her kids at risk any more than if she didn't know about it.
 
2007-11-21 03:11:52 PM
img81.imageshack.us

I couldn't find the picture I wanted, so you get this instead.
 
2007-11-21 03:12:09 PM
brigid_fitch:

You are aware that there have ALWAYS been pedophiles, right? And there always WILL be pedophiles. Knowing about one living next door doesn't put her kids at risk any more than if she didn't know about it.


I don't think I understand this. Not that I find that unusual.
 
2007-11-21 03:12:13 PM
JeffreyScott: Subby doesn't understand how farked up the Georgia Sex Offender's Registry law has turned out to be. People convicted for public urination can be forced to move because they can be considered a sex offender. Additionally, a recent change to the law reached back and pulled a number of people onto the list who had disposed of their cases though pleas for urinating in public thinking their plea would be the end of it. Finally, the law as amended last year had such huge set-offs that it was illegal for people on the registry to live anywhere in three counties in Georgia. If you lived there beforehand, sorry you must sell your house and move.

I think the idea behind the law was good, but it has gone too far. Hell, it has even expanded into other areas like Tennessee's Meth Registry. It is only matter of time before we have the DUI Offender Registry.


I'm in favor of a criminal offender registry. No matter what the crime your records should be publiclly available in an easy to use web format. Further more we can not have those nasty criminals anywhere near children so I propose that we campaign for a criminal offender liveing limits law. That people convicted of any crime no matter how small can no longer live within 52800 feet of any children any where. As we can't have these people interacting with our precious unique snowflakes.
 
2007-11-21 03:13:51 PM
Galen_Rasputin: JeffreyScott: Subby doesn't understand how farked up the Georgia Sex Offender's Registry law has turned out to be. People convicted for public urination can be forced to move because they can be considered a sex offender. Additionally, a recent change to the law reached back and pulled a number of people onto the list who had disposed of their cases though pleas for urinating in public thinking their plea would be the end of it. Finally, the law as amended last year had such huge set-offs that it was illegal for people on the registry to live anywhere in three counties in Georgia. If you lived there beforehand, sorry you must sell your house and move.

I think the idea behind the law was good, but it has gone too far. Hell, it has even expanded into other areas like Tennessee's Meth Registry. It is only matter of time before we have the DUI Offender Registry.

I'm in favor of a criminal offender registry. No matter what the crime your records should be publiclly available in an easy to use web format. Further more we can not have those nasty criminals anywhere near children so I propose that we campaign for a criminal offender liveing limits law. That people convicted of any crime no matter how small can no longer live within 52800 feet of any children any where. As we can't have these people interacting with our precious unique snowflakes.


We could just follow england's lead and put them on a boat and ship them to Australia.

/Word of the day: Pederast
 
2007-11-21 03:14:08 PM
Execute rapists and child molesters. Then get rid of the sex offenders list b/c anyone remaining probably just did something dumb like public urination or boob flashing.
 
US1
2007-11-21 03:14:24 PM
xen0blue: sex offender laws and the sex offender list is ridiculous, after you've served your time you're still paying for it.

Sure, but the punishment does not fit the crime. I would say that definitely the laws should be changed to better classify the type of offender. I also believe that without actual punishments (floggings or at least hard labor) these crimes will continue.
 
2007-11-21 03:14:25 PM
Asa Phelps: *shrug* we shouldn't have registered sex offenders running around.

If they're a genuine danger to children, we should parole enough potheads and nonviolent offenders that we have room to keep them in prison forever.


For the win, and only on the second post. Bravo.
 
2007-11-21 03:15:27 PM
Spoonfed'sBuddy: Execute rapists and child molesters. Then get rid of the sex offenders list b/c anyone remaining probably just did something dumb drunk like public urination or boob flashing.

FTFY

/Domesticated Peave
 
2007-11-21 03:18:12 PM
Spoonfed'sBuddy: Execute rapists and child molesters. Then get rid of the sex offenders list b/c anyone remaining probably just did something dumb like public urination or boob flashing.

I will sign that petition.
 
2007-11-21 03:19:28 PM
You know what the recidivism rate of sex offenders if you let them get ass raped everyday by every person who is in jail for a life sentance is. 0%

cause they are not in the mood to go back.

for every life term prisoner in jail who rapes a pedo in jail i give a gold star in my book. i mean WTF your already there might as well have fun.
 
2007-11-21 03:19:56 PM
What a farce. This type of BS is exactly why legislatures are at an all time low in popularity. They say the same crap every year. More laws to protect children, more prisons, more police, tougher sentencing, etc. Its been that way for as long as I can remember, and nothing has ever improved as a result. In fact, we keep digging deeper into a hole. Pretty soon, only those with political connections or a lot of money will be able to avoid prison. Now there's a society that I want my kids growing up in.
 
2007-11-21 03:21:07 PM
Ashrams: Sum Dum Gai: Ashrams
You know what the recidivism rate of sex offenders if you keep them behind bars?

The same could be said of any criminal, should we just make all crime give an automatic life sentence?

Why not, any crime where house arrest would not be safficiant should require life.

Why should people who don't commit a crime worry about the ones that do.


There is a lesson here: do not give ideas to fascists. The joking suggestion here (life in prison for any crime) was the reductio ad absurdum of Ashrams' point, and he took it as a perfectly reasonable sugestion. You can't deal with these people as if they were rational human beings.
 
2007-11-21 03:22:38 PM
Remember folks: rapists are worse than murderers, because the worst you can do to someone is rape them.

To all rape victims: I'm sorry, I wish they had killed you instead.
 
2007-11-21 03:25:36 PM
Spoonfed'sBuddy: Execute rapists and child molesters. Then get rid of the sex offenders list b/c anyone remaining probably just did something dumb like public urination or awesome like boob flashing.


FTFY
 
2007-11-21 03:28:12 PM
Here is what we have learned by having sex offender registries.
Sex offender = pedophile = predator who will snatch your child off the street and rape them.

Is someone who pissed in public automatically a predatory child rapist who needs to be monitored and have where he can live restricted?
Is someone who gets drunk and runs naked down the street automatically a predatory child rapist who needs to be monitored and have where he can live restricted?
Is even someone who was caught masturbating in an inappropriate place automatically a predatory child rapist who needs to be monitored and have where he can live restricted?

Let's even use an example of someone who has committed a sex crime against a child.
Is a step father who is caught having sex with his eager and willing 14 year old slutty step daughter and who is convicted of statutory rape and has served prison time for his crime automatically a predatory child rapist who needs to be monitored and have where he can live restricted for the rest of his life so he doesn't abduct children off the street and rape them?

Could such a criminal have made a serious error in judgment and have learned never to do this again?
Or is this person, once having tasted the forbidden fruit now unable to control his lust and forever doomed to seek out children to satisfy his sexual perversions?
If so, why would this person ever be allowed out of prison?
 
2007-11-21 03:32:53 PM
ThisOneBelongsToTheReds: do not give ideas to fascists


I do not think that word means what you think it means...
/obligatory
 
2007-11-21 03:32:53 PM
Ashrams is an idiot. Why should people who don't commit crimes worry about the ones that do? Hell, if we follow that line of logic, let's ban cars and extreme sports while we're at it. Life is dangerous. Makes things exciting. Don't be such a pussie.

Nall-ohki made me lol all over myself.

The sex offender list is ridiculous. Just look at that "Miss Georgia Sex Offender's" page. Pretty girls in their late teens and early twenties? Mentally retarded women? A grandma? Male sex offender lists look equally inane. Most "child molestors" are guys who simply didn't have the self-control to say no. If they lived north or south of the border, or in any country in Europe, they wouldn't be in jail. Why can't we see the difference between raping and murdering a seven year old and having consentual sex with a teenage girl? A world of difference. But not according to the sex offender list.
 
2007-11-21 03:34:42 PM
ThisOneBelongsToTheReds: Ashrams: Sum Dum Gai: Ashrams
You know what the recidivism rate of sex offenders if you keep them behind bars?

The same could be said of any criminal, should we just make all crime give an automatic life sentence?

Why not, any crime where house arrest would not be safficiant should require life.

Why should people who don't commit a crime worry about the ones that do.

There is a lesson here: do not give ideas to fascists. The joking suggestion here (life in prison for any crime) was the reductio ad absurdum of Ashrams' point, and he took it as a perfectly reasonable sugestion. You can't deal with these people as if they were rational human beings.


How is keeping violent people locked up Fascism? If you read what I said, I said any crime where house arrest was not enough, an in your are to violent to be on the street.

My opinion was for the innocent individuals "right" to be safe from people who "have" proven themselves a threat to others.
 
2007-11-21 03:35:03 PM
I think it's ridiculous that being labeled a sex offender will ruin your life more than being labeled a murderer, and that there is SO MUCH that will label as you as a sex offender.

Help a crying kid in the mall find their parents, only to have the parents freak out and shout "WHERE DID YOU TOUCH MY PRECIOUS?!", boom, welcome to the registry. Your life is over.
 
2007-11-21 03:36:19 PM
rockman55: Most "child molestors" are guys who simply didn't have the self-control to say no. If they lived north or south of the border, or in any country in Europe, they wouldn't be in jail.

Facts, cites please?
 
2007-11-21 03:37:07 PM
Psychotropic:

Or is this person, once having tasted the forbidden fruit now unable to control his lust and forever doomed to seek out children to satisfy his sexual perversions?
If so, why would this person ever be allowed out of prison?


Because we'd run out of teachers, priests and Michael Jacksons...
 
2007-11-21 03:39:30 PM
shadowwake: Psychotropic:

Or is this person, once having tasted the forbidden fruit now unable to control his lust and forever doomed to seek out children to satisfy his sexual perversions?
If so, why would this person ever be allowed out of prison?

Because we'd run out of teachers, priests and Michael Jacksons...


you forgot R. Kelly
 
2007-11-21 03:39:52 PM
OH NOES! I IGNORE THE LAW ENOUGH TO TOUCH CHILDREN BUT I WILL OBEY THIS ARBITRARY DISTANCE RESTRICTION FROM CHILDREN!

Give me a break.

I'm in agreement with pretty much everyone else in this thread that says the whole registry is stupid, flawed, and all around retarded.
 
2007-11-21 03:44:19 PM
i42.photobucket.com

/I came to see this
//sadly disappointed
///Pedo Bear trifecta in play
////oblig..
 
2007-11-21 03:47:16 PM
johnny_vegas, just go log-on to your city or county's sex offender page. more often than not, you're going to see lots of 20-30 year old Hispanic men listed for "lewd and lascivious acts for a child under 16."

This is a sore spot for me, because I have a cousin who, when 19, got caught banging his 16 year old girlfriend. The mom got pissed. He is now a sex-offender. On the same level with John Couey.
 
2007-11-21 03:47:30 PM
drunkennewfiemidget: OH NOES! I IGNORE THE LAW ENOUGH TO TOUCH CHILDREN BUT I WILL OBEY THIS ARBITRARY DISTANCE RESTRICTION FROM CHILDREN!

Give me a break.

I'm in agreement with pretty much everyone else in this thread that says the whole registry is stupid, flawed, and all around retarded.


This is true, however, violating the restrictions triggers immediate incarceration for the offender. This is much easier to prove than the new crime itself. If the registered sex offender is charged with a new offense, he has all the usual presumptions of innocence and rights any accused person would have under the law. But, if it can be shown that he violated the restrictions placed on him to due his status as a registered sex offender he can be taken off the streets immediately and incarcerated, not just held on bail.

I'm not saying it works great, but there are advantages.
 
2007-11-21 03:47:31 PM
Critch: Good. Let them live wherever they want.

/Why does it matter where they live? Can't they just, you know, drive?


Good call. Would be like saying convicted drunk drivers can't live within 2000 feet of any store that sells alcohol. I'd also be interested in how many sex offenders picked victims that were within 2000 feet of their residence...
 
2007-11-21 03:48:18 PM
I'm waiting for the mandatory GPS devices on all sex offenders - tracking information instantly viewable to the public through GooglePerv.

JeffreyScott: I think the idea behind the law was good, but it has gone too far. Hell, it has even expanded into other areas like Tennessee's Meth Registry. It is only matter of time before we have the DUI Offender Registry.

I'm waiting for the: "First they came for the pedophiles and i said nothing, then they came for the meth addicts, then the drunk drivers. . ." argument.
 
2007-11-21 03:49:32 PM
jj325: Critch: Good. Let them live wherever they want.

/Why does it matter where they live? Can't they just, you know, drive?

Good call. Would be like saying convicted drunk drivers can't live within 2000 feet of any store that sells alcohol. I'd also be interested in how many sex offenders picked victims that were within 2000 feet of their residence...


It is easier if the victim is brought to their place of residence, but we're just arguing semantics here. Does in the residence count as within 2000 feet?
 
2007-11-21 03:51:30 PM
I've heard of some states where these laws are being challenged and are now looking to have existing homeowners "grandfathered" in if they own the home, and/or owned it before the law went into effect, and/or owned it before the offense was committed.

They gotta live somewhere. And if they have cars, it doesn't matter where they live - it's when they go to the mall and go shopping that I get concerned. Or, drive down the street ahead of the school bus and see all the kids waiting at their bus stops.

They're fixing the wrong problem, IMO.
 
2007-11-21 03:52:24 PM
Ashrams:
How is keeping violent people locked up Fascism? If you read what I said, I said any crime where house arrest was not enough, an in your are to violent to be on the street.


Maps???
 
2007-11-21 03:57:40 PM
liberalish: Maps???

img140.imageshack.us

I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map.

/I blame dora for all of this
 
2007-11-21 03:57:58 PM
liberalish: Ashrams:
How is keeping violent people locked up Fascism? If you read what I said, I said any crime where house arrest was not enough, an in your are to violent to be on the street.


Maps???


Fark I meant "as in you are to violent"

/grammar nazi
 
2007-11-21 03:59:11 PM
If you lived in this sweet ride, 1,000 feet is just a couple of blocks in the other direction.

i15.photobucket.com
 
2007-11-21 04:01:03 PM
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2007-11-21 04:05:28 PM
Late to the party, but I have a relevant comment.

Sen. Feinstein wants an arson offender registry list. Apparently she is super concerned about arson after all the fires in southern California.

Hmmm, a half dozen fires, 1 caused by arson, 1 caused by a stupid kid with matches, and a few caused by downed power lines.

Yeah, it totally makes sense that we create a huge list of people arrested for arson because of this one incident.

The fun part is the potential lynching after people's homes are burned. Obviously must be the arsonist and not natural causes, so let's go get him!
 
2007-11-21 04:07:58 PM
Ashrams: liberalish: Ashrams:
How is keeping violent people locked up Fascism? If you read what I said, I said any crime where house arrest was not enough, an in your are to violent to be on the street.


Maps???

Fark I meant "as in you are to violent"

/grammar nazi


sorry, i usually don't care about grammar/spelling but that seemed like an opening.

/too
//bad me!
 
2007-11-21 04:13:01 PM
teeny: My best friend bought a brand new house in a subdivision, only to find out later that she shared her back fence with a sex offender, registered for pedophilia. She has 3 small kids. She is not happy.

Either she was too stupid to check the registry BEFORE she bought (basic procedure these days), or she bought in the years before the registry existed - meaning it's been a number of years and nothing's happened - so what's the problem?
 
2007-11-21 04:27:44 PM
Randon: Sex offender laws like this one are just candy for politicians, and have no basis in reality or preventing crimes.

Also, the laws are too broad, and affect sex offenders whether they are pedophiles or not.

Sex crimes are the only crimes that we continue to punish after the offender pays their debt to society in prison, even though drug addicts and violent criminals are more likely to reoffend.


This.
 
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