get your guns up, y'all!

PolloDiablo: Yep, because every time I'm at a bar in College Station (Texas A&M) or Austin (UT) and I see some meathead fratboy acting like a complete farking tool or trying to start a fight because someone was "lookin at his girl" I think to myself, "I sure would feel safer if I knew THAT guy was packing heat during biology class."

His attitude might be different if he suspected that he might get shot for starting a fight.

bump: Texas - where the state motto is a threat.

"Friendship" is a threat? Man, you NC boys are nancies if you are threatened by that.

/Don't Mess With Texas is not a state motto, its an anti-litering campaign
//Nancy boy

Lynoitus
I mean how many gunfights broke out in saloons and streets back in those days?

Less than they do now. As you had an excellent chance of getting killed.....

They were much more violent than they are now that is for sure, but they sure as hell happened less frequently.

Alphax
I see guns as offensive weapons, not defensive. Unless you intend to kill someone, why carry one?
Great logic there.

Unless you intend to have a fire in the house why have smoke detectors or fire extinguishers?

Unless you intend to crash your car why wear a seat belt?

Unless you intend to get robbed why have insurance?

Unless you intend to get sick why ever goto the doctor?

Got anymore brilliant bits of insight?

It all comes back to a very basic idea: if you tell people who have access to guns that they can't bring guns into an area, then the only people with guns will be the people who don't give a damn about the rules anyway. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws yadda yadda yadda... but, seriously, what's the point? People who intend to shoot up a campus aren't going to stop just because you have some rules against packing.

Gun control advocates are by nature ignorant of the law and the constitution.

rcole: AP Photo/Eric Gay

Can we focus on the real issue here? Please? Christ, people.

Meh... Not a chance.

There's no one race or culture with a monopoly on idiocy, but Texas sure is trying. DNRTFA yet.

mkfreeberg: More guns, less crime.

And who couldn't argue with an argument proposed by some guy who wrote a book that he felt so insecure about, that he had to astroturf for it on Amazon? Oh, and let's not forget that when Lott was asked to provide is data for verification, that he conveniently had a hard drive crash - but was still somehow able to replicate all that data for his revised edition of the book but still withhold it from his critics.

If the students were packing heat at V-Tech, there would have been a zillion more deaths - the police wouldn't have had a clue who the bad shooter was and the good shooters would all be shooting each other. It's a dumbshiat idea and the folks who think it's a good idea are dumshiats.

Please don't start with this shiat again....

Phil Herup:

What are the details???

......interesting


she was on her way to school and brought a piece of toast that she was using the butter knife to butter.

we have 2 people who drive around the campus to make sure no one is skipping or doing drugs (which they FAIL at.) one of the people must have seen it on her dashboard. she got expelled which meant she couldnt be validictorian. i'm not sure about the scholarshisp but i think it was reduced.

FTA:

He argues, like most gun rights advocates, that weapons-free regulations only deter law-abiding students, not thugs or mentally ill shooters.

"Laws only affect the people who voluntarily abide by them," Flitcraft said.


amen. apparently some people believe that because a law is passed, it's followed.

gun free zones only disarm the good guys.

takesdeepbreathkickspuppy: Jesus. The last farkin group of people in this country that needs to be armed is a bunch of ya-hoo's from San Marcos. That place is a notorious bone-head factory.

For some reason, a lot of people tend to think that a bunch of bonehead frat boys who spend every waking moment drinking and fighting are going to rush out and spend the time and money to get a concealed carry license and buy a handgun to carry to campus with them.

Why do you assume that this will happen?

JMel: bump: Texas - where the state motto is a threat.

"Friendship" is a threat? Man, you NC boys are nancies if you are threatened by that.

/Don't Mess With Texas is not a state motto, its an anti-litering campaign
//Nancy boy

Texans always say that, but everyone else in the country thinks it's a motto/tourism marketing slogan/meathead salute.

What gimpy deformed person did they use for that outline?

I mean... Jesus. Look at his head.

Oh the humanity...

YixilTesiphon: Alphax: I see guns as offensive weapons, not defensive. Unless you intend to kill someone, why carry one?

Congratulations, you're a retard!

/College student
//Would carry if allowed
///Would leave it at home if alcohol were in the picture

Nope, my IQ is around 156. Try again.

Obviously banning handguns helps decrease crime rates. Afterall, look at the low crime-rate that D.C. has, and handguns have been banned there for years.

/For the record, IMO - guns need to stay the hell off school grounds by faculty and students.

LocalCynic: Submitted this with the ASININE tag, fully believing that the modmins would change it to a HERO tag. I was not let down.

Smart move there on the part of the mods. Clearly, a thread involving guns on campus with an anti-Texas headline isn't flameworthy enough to generate ad revenue.

Alphax 2007-11-21 12:38:51 PM
I see guns as offensive weapons, not defensive. Unless you intend to kill someone, why carry one?

Beacuse there are bad people in the world that will attempt to hurt you and your loved ones. And yes, I fully intend to kill them if they try. Of course I live in canada so I will have to do it with my sparing swords or my knives which will be far more unpleasant for the attacker then getting shot would be.

Also, define a DEFENSIVE weapon. Maybe we should be selling people bean bad guns or something...because we all know that non lethal weaponry never gets abused due to a lack of percieved consequences..../sarcasm off

Don't even need to rtfa, if students at VA tech were allowed to pack, 30 or so lives could have been saved.

/not packin
//...
///yet

Alphax: Nope, my IQ is around 156. Try again.

Then your emotions are causing you to think irrationally about guns.

REOIV: Lynoitus
I mean how many gunfights broke out in saloons and streets back in those days?

Less than they do now. As you had an excellent chance of getting killed.....

They were much more violent than they are now that is for sure, but they sure as hell happened less frequently.

Alphax
I see guns as offensive weapons, not defensive. Unless you intend to kill someone, why carry one?
Great logic there.

Unless you intend to have a fire in the house why have smoke detectors or fire extinguishers?

Unless you intend to crash your car why wear a seat belt?

Unless you intend to get robbed why have insurance?

Unless you intend to get sick why ever goto the doctor?

Got anymore brilliant bits of insight?

I don't follow your logic. Are there any instances where you have to murder someone in an emergency?

i am a pacifist. i will probably never own a gun in my life. and i see no problem with people around me, with proper licensing and training, carrying guns.

"If there's more we need to do, we certainly need to do that, but introducing random access to firearms is not the solution," said Hamm. "You have more victims, not fewer victims."

In other words, the Brady Campaign sees you with a gun wanting to protect yourself as "A random person with a gun".

More victims than 32? I doubt it!

But, this is kind of old news. Their goal is to remove guns from the world unless it is the guns of their bodyguards.

"It's not a situation where you can fight fire with fire," Soya said.

I can tell you, a bullet in the center of the head will stop someone from shooting at you. But, first and foremost, the number one thing it will do, is prevention.

Alphax: I don't follow your logic. Are there any instances where you have to murder someone in an emergency?

I consider someone attempting to mug me or harm me as an emergency. What would you consider it?

JMel: /For the record, IMO - guns need to stay the hell off school grounds by faculty and students.

Unless you were being sarcastic (which I didn't see), you must be riding the short bus, huh?

You think criminals give a crap about laws forbidding them from taking a gun to school/public park/anywhere else? How are you going to defend yourself against a person with a gun? Harsh words?

Alphax: Nope, my IQ is around 156. Try again.

Pics or it didn't happen.

/you have a subscription to ITG magazine?

Kanemano: cambie: And ANYONE who's gone through the trouble to LEGALLY carry their gun Drive is not going to jeopardize that right because they wanted to pistol whip cut off in traffic the douchebag who stared at his girl friends tits.

Makes sense to me

Comparing someone pulling out a deadly weapon and assaulting a person to cutting someone off in traffic....

How does that make sense?

SchlingFo: Why do you assume that this will happen?

I hope it will happen.

They should be allowed to carry guns only on campus that way the odds of them taking out a fellow jack-ass increase.

I still stay make possession of a firearm punishable by death, and make possession of bladed weapons mandatory.

/swords will farking cut you WIDE OPEN

Did whoopty troll himself out already?!

Alphax: I don't follow your logic. Are there any instances where you have to murder someone in an emergency?

Here in Houston, there are frequent home invasions. And, the invaders often kill the residents while robbing them.

Sometimes, when the residents are armed, they're able to get off the first shot and kill the invaders.

There will always be emergencies where you'll have to kill someone.

JMel Don't Mess With Texas is not a state motto, its an anti-litering campaign

Yeah, the metric system does kinda suck.

Alphax "Nope, my IQ is around 156. Try again."

Qith that much IQ you can not reason your way around the fact that possessing the same tool as a foe is the definition of "defensive" in regards to your ability to resist an attack?

You may wana get a retake of that IQ test mate.

Kaybeck:
/swords will farking cut you WIDE OPEN

Also a hollow point from a .45 will tear you WIDE OPEN

I am all for this.
I am perfectly willing to sacrifice some Texans to see how this works out.

"Here's your dorm key, your ID, and a handgun. No music after ten, stay low and keep to the bushes. Good luck."

*munches popcorn*

dhudd: If the students were packing heat at V-Tech, there would have been a zillion more deaths - the police wouldn't have had a clue who the bad shooter was and the good shooters would all be shooting each other. It's a dumbshiat idea and the folks who think it's a good idea are dumshiats.

I might not have said "dumbshiats", but this.

Life is not the movies, overgrown children. The bad guys don't have scruffy beards and ominous theme music whenever they appear.

What if your attacker is more skilled with his gun than you are?
What if you shoot and kill an innocent person that for whatever reason, you perceived as a threat at the time by mistake?
What if you and someone get into an argument, and one party irrationally uses their gun?
What if...

/somehow I don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through...
//asinine tag would be better

SchlingFo: Here in Houston, there are frequent home invasions. And, the invaders often kill the residents while robbing them.

Sometimes, when the residents are armed, they're able to get off the first shot and kill the invaders.

There will always be emergencies where you'll have to kill someone.

Or at least wound them enough to get their weapon, pistol whip them with it. tie them up. pee on them. and then let the police know that they peed themselves after falling down some stairs. If the cops ask how the urine got on the perp's face just tell the cops he had a boner when he peed.

dhudd
If the students were packing heat at V-Tech, there would have been a zillion more deaths - the police wouldn't have had a clue who the bad shooter was and the good shooters would all be shooting each other. It's a dumbshiat idea and the folks who think it's a good idea are dumshiats.

This is such a farking stupid idea I am blown away by the idiocy of it.

Question, when cops show up to a bank robbery to they shoot the security guards?

Do the security guards shoot at the cops?

You assume some seriously faulty positions.

1. That people would keep shooting once the school shooter was dead.

2. That people who are helping everyone else wouldn't comply with the cops when asked to drop their weapons.

3. That the people who are shooting back at the school shooter don't have witnesses yelling to the cops that they are fine shoot the bad guy. Let alone the CCW people saying the same thing.

4. That cops just shoot people with guns in their hands even if the cops aren't being aimed at, and get away with it.

5. That the ccw people would shoot at each other instead of the guy capping students.

Alphax
Nope, my IQ is around 156. Try again.

Yet you fail at logic....

BTW I have a 15 inch cock, billions of dollars a 185 IQ, bang tons of hot chicks at once, have 15 PHDs, am a mixed martial artist master, former navy SEAL, etc etc.

In the internet the only thing that matters is the content of your argument, everything else is likely bullshiat.

YEA! Lets all play the attack the troll game. please people, dont feed to trolls.
or, go ahed and play, i for one find it funny...
c'mon whoopty woo! give me your best shot.

/student
//would carry...

altinos: Alphax: I don't follow your logic. Are there any instances where you have to murder someone in an emergency?

I consider someone attempting to mug me or harm me as an emergency. What would you consider it?

No one's ever attempted to do that to me. (unless you count that 10 year old that was setting fire to playground equipment and took a swing at me when I started putting it out) I would not kill in such a situation.

What Would Bronson Do: Yeah, the metric system does kinda suck.

WRONG

The Metric system is the tool of the Devil!!

My car gets 5 Rods to the Hogs Head and that's the way I likes it!

deevo: Life is not the movies, overgrown children. The bad guys don't have scruffy beards and ominous theme music whenever they appear.

If more students were carrying, and the police were unsure of who the aggressor was, then they'd be correct in arresting all those who fired shots and having an investigation.

I fully expect that if someone ever breaks into my house and I am force to shoot them dead, that I would also be arrested, pending further investigation. I suspect many gun owners feel the same way.

phillydrifter: JMel: /For the record, IMO - guns need to stay the hell off school grounds by faculty and students.

Unless you were being sarcastic (which I didn't see), you must be riding the short bus, huh?

You think criminals give a crap about laws forbidding them from taking a gun to school/public park/anywhere else? How are you going to defend yourself against a person with a gun? Harsh words?

I'm not being sarcastic. I am not anti-gun. I'm quite pro-gun actually. Hell, i'm even trying to convince my wife to get a C&C, since she works in downtown Dallas.

But...i also know that many, if not most college kids are too damned stupid to drink responsibly, much less carry a handgun responsibly. Giving them permission to do so isn't very bright. You must have forgotten about your highschool and college days...that, or you were one of the idgets that i'm referring to as not being responsible enough to handle it.

dont feed *the trolls