Hey, DC's not number 1 anymore!

My fiance did get jumped the other week though...

I blame black people.

And Muslims.

/got nothin.

I have to go to the Detroit airport in a couple of weeks. Am I going to die?

cryinoutloud: I have to go to the Detroit airport in a couple of weeks. Am I going to die?

most likely

cryinoutloud: I have to go to the Detroit airport in a couple of weeks. Am I going to die?

You're more likely to get raped...

cryinoutloud
yeah, eventually.

Black Populations of Worst Cities:
#1 Detroit - 81.55%
#2 STL - 51.20%
#3 Flint - 53.30%
#4 Oakland - 35.60% (primarily latino/asian)
#5 Camden - 53.35%
#6 Birmingham - 73.46%
#7 North Charleston - 49.41%
#8 Memphis - 61.41%
#9 Richmond - 36.06% (primarily latino)
#10 Cleveland - 50.99%

Black Populations of Best Cities:
#1 Mission Viejo - 1.15%
#2 Clarkstown - 0.13%
#3 Brick Township - 0.10%
#4 Amherst - 0.13%
#5 Sugerland - 5.20%

courtesy of: http://www.areaconnect.com/

/reposted for great justice

For instance, if an intruder breaks into a house, rapes a woman and kills her husband, that incident is reported as three crimes. In other cities, the most serious crime, murder, would be the only reported crime.

Glad they cleared that one up for me, now I feel much safer going to Detroit.

Might as well bust this out right now

/obligatory when talking about crime and detroit...

If you go to Detroit, you go to your almost certain death. Please enjoy.

/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

"After today, what people will walk away with is that if you set foot in the city of Detroit you are going to get killed and that is absolutely not true,

I got the idea that being raped, robbed, beaten, and having the car stolen were among the options.

I like it when cities cry foul bc a study shows that they suck. Yeah, the crime rate isn't the problem, it's the researchers.

Now, instead of saying "wow, detroit is so unsafe" I think "wow, detroit looks unsafe and they have no plans to change that".

nashBridges: I blame black people.

And Muslims.

Don't forget the gays and the illegal Mexicans

/got even less

I agree with Detroit 100%.

/now all you farkers that moved to Atlanta can go home.

nashBridges: I blame black people.

And Muslims.

/got nothin.

Don't forget Bush!

McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: nashBridges: I blame black people.

And Muslims.

Don't forget the gays and the illegal Mexicans

/got even less

Don't forget global warming and liberals

timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

Actually, I think it's worse. Only because it's called Ypsilanti...

I Said: I like it when cities cry foul bc a study shows that they suck. Yeah, the crime rate isn't the problem, it's the researchers.

Now, instead of saying "wow, detroit is so unsafe" I think "wow, detroit looks unsafe and they have no plans to change that".

Don't you know anything? If you ignore the problem (or intimidate people so that they're "polically correct" and afraid to state the obvious cause), then the problem doesn't actually exist!

tortilla burger: Might as well bust this out right now

I prefer the ebonics correct version

/Not just a race problem

McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

Actually, I think it's worse. Only because it's called Ypsilanti...

No way, Ypsy's has Bomber's

/Sister went to school at Eastern
//Lives in Saline

It's kind of weird. I grew up in Detroit, hanging out at Harpo's, St. Andrew's and The Shelter(last 2 are same building), but I never had any problems. It wasn't until I moved to Salt Lake City that I realized that people thought Detroit was really dangerous. People think I'm kind of dangerous here. When they find out I grew up in Detroit, the ask me questions like "Where you scared?"

/Actually grew up Downriver
//less black people, more Hockey Mullets

"After today, what people will walk away with is that if you set foot in the city of Detroit you are going to get killed and that is absolutely not true," Bully-Cummings said. "We have hosted some of the biggest events in the country -- the World Series, the Super Bowl and (we) will have the NCAA basketball championships next year. We have had those events with no trouble at all."

Does the cynic in anyone else thing we'll be reading about riots after the NCAA championships next year?

"Bully-Cummings said studies show 79 percent of the homicide victims had previous contact with police..."

She went on to say that the other 21 percent would eventually get in some kind of trouble anyway so it's no big thang.

kellyshannon: Hey, DC's not number 1 anymore!

My fiance did get jumped the other week though...
====================================

We haven't been #1 for a while.

/the crack hit us hard in the 80's & 90's

I submitted this with "arse."

Who knew it'd go that far... k

digitalpirate: When they find out I grew up in Detroit, the ask me questions like "Where you scared?"


And you was like "I was scared everywhere's" ?

We're number 3!!! we're number 3!!!

thisisntnamtherearerules: /Not just a race problem

Of course not, it's also a Dumbass problem.

/Inconceivable!

Really, it's not as bad as it looks, since 50% of the crimes on that list were actually committed by Mayor Kwame and his staff.

Remember, Detroit is the murder capitol of the world; not because we're more violent, we're just better damn shots.

/from Detroit
//yes, really from Detroit
///live in the suburbs now.

Great headline, I LIRL.

Actually.. per capita your much more likely to be murdered in many other places.

Gary for instance.. or as I like to call it the asshole of america

tortilla burger: McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: nashBridges: I blame black people.

And Muslims.

Don't forget the gays and the illegal Mexicans

/got even less

Don't forget global warming and liberals

Perhaps we should start a running list of those responsible. Established so far:
1. Blacks
2. Muslims
3. Gays
4. Mexicans
5. Global Warming
6. Liberals
7. Conservatives
8. Drew
9. Bush
10. Cheney
11. Exxon/Mobil
12. Your mom
13. Militant Vegans
14. Salvation Army
15. Bush/Cheney (deserve 2nd mention)

From Ruins of Detroit (new window)

"Visiting Detroit's East Side? Make sure you stop by the Free Brothers Market for all of your needs."

cryinoutloud: I have to go to the Detroit airport in a couple of weeks. Am I going to die?

No, but if you're spending more than an hour at Metro at the Smith, Davey or Berry terminals (which ones are still standing?), you'll want to. McNamara (Midfield) isn't bad.

/mad love for pizza papalis and ypsi
//one for being so good and one for being so lousy

NotAsSuch: Remember, Detroit is the murder capitol of the world; not because we're more violent, we're just better damn shots.

Niiiiiiiiiice.

"The city is as safe as any other major American city..."

You say that like it's a good thing.

One factor they don't mention is that much of the violent crime is gang related, and many of the "victims", under different circumstances, could just as easily have been the perpetrator. That's one reason you don't find a bunch of witnesses willing to speak up in a lot of these cases - why risk getting killed for some dead guy who probably had it coming anyway.

meenkya: No way, Ypsy's has Bomber's

/Sister went to school at Eastern
//Lives in Saline

Dude, the rivers could run deep with beer and it would still be called Ypsilanti.

"Only the chosen go to Heaven, Smoke. The rest of us go back to Detroit."

hatelabs: I think RoboCop is a little too light handed for today's Detriot.
We Need Ed.

"You have 10 seconds to comply"

Well, Detroit asked for it when they elected a Muslim hip hop mayor and his crew.

why would 'white-history.com' chronicle urban blight in a predominately black neighborhood? For some reason, I didnt want to visit that site to find out.

ill bet some citizens are actually celebrating

whooooo we're #1!!

Tariq (explaining to "Dim" why his parents moved from Iraq to the States thirty years prior): "...you know how stupid and violent you have to be to make Detroit look like a step in the right direction?"

LANshark
why would 'white-history.com' chronicle urban blight in a predominately black neighborhood? For some reason, I didnt want to visit that site to find out.

Uncle Tom!

digitalpirate: /Actually grew up Downriver

Ah, so you are a Muskrat connoisseur?

84Charlie: Tariq (explaining to "Dim" why his parents moved from Iraq to the States thirty years prior): "...you know how stupid and violent you have to be to make Detroit look like a step in the right direction?"

Great show

Excellent refrence

Does anyone remember how many of Detroit's suburbs are on the list of the safest communities in the country? I vaguely remember Canton and Troy being fairly high.

Andrew Wiggin - oh my god do I love me some Pizza Papalis. Every time I come home for x-mas I try to go there. Greektown FTW!

There are danger zones I will not visit, but the whole city should not suffer this reputation. Shame.

Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit.... not sure if anyone else who's posted so far does...and I live by Wayne State so pretty close to the heart of things, and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

this is a common misnomer. people say they're from detroit all the time, but they're not. I'm not actually from here either, but I do live here now. And I've actually lived in Ypsi as well. I'll say that Ypsi has its problems, so does willis township and belleville, but they are not like detroit. definitely not as bad. at least you have depot town.

digitalpirate:
/Actually grew up Downriver
//less black people, more Hockey Mullets

this is unfortunately where i grew up and where i consider myself "from", but i try not to bring it up. please refer to the picture of icp in this very same thread for the many reasons why i don't want to tell anyone i'm from there. digitalpirate, yeah more hockeymullets and don't forget plenty of meat market bars and chain restaurants. that's what makes downriver so great....yeah.

pan fried monkey spunk: digitalpirate: When they find out I grew up in Detroit, the ask me questions like "Where you scared?"

And you was like "I was scared everywhere's" ?

pfms you owe me a keyboard and a coke. kthxbye. =)

Andrew Wiggin: I'll risk it for Pizza Papalis.

/best. pizza. evar.

unfortunately, i don't agree with this... como's in ferndale is best by far. if you want real deep dish please go to chi-town... even pizzeria uno is better. and i won't even touch on the vermin problem near greektown so at least visit the rivertown or southfield location if you have to go there... you'll thank me later....

Since I didn't address the article - let me say yeah, there's crime. There would probably be less if our police responded better. Or at all for that matter. I'm not blaming the police, but if no one's enforcing the rules, well sheeeeyat all hell's gonna break loose. Definitely cannot be denied we have a problem here. I won't attribute to race, as a white crackhead will commit crime just like a black one would and they both hang around the outskirts of my neighborhood.

LANshark: why would 'white-history.com' chronicle urban blight in a predominately black neighborhood? For some reason, I didnt want to visit that site to find out.

Why discriminate on the basis of the site's name? Prejudice is a terrible thing, you know. And sometimes the truth hurts.

And, how dare you call it an example of urban blight? That establishment is serving its demographic better than the surrounding many acres of empty fields once occupied by burned out houses.

Forty years ago I lived nearby. I had been the victim of vandalism, thievery, and assault. Unless and until Detroit sends me about $150,000 in compensation, I'll keep warning others to stay the fark away.

vintagesoul: Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit

How many people have you killed?

McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

Actually, I think it's worse. Only because it's called Ypsilanti...

What the hell are you smoking? Ypsi isn't as bad as Detroit...

Although Detroit was never as bad? never seemed as bad? as the Detroit the rest of the world seems to know. I was there all hours, all over the place for years and had more bad experiences with (other) white suburban kids who thought the city was a free-for-all then any of the locals. Bums and crackheads, but it's not that different then any city. There are a few neighborhoods to avoid, but you get that anywhere.

Oh, and if you fly into Detroit METRO you are fine. The biggest danger there is getting run over by some redneck in a jacked up 4x4 covered in NASCAR stickers. Detroit City is the airport in the rougher areas.

unremarkable asterisk: cryinoutloud: I have to go to the Detroit airport in a couple of weeks. Am I going to die?

If Detroit wants to maintain its top spot, then yes... you will die. Thanks for your contribution.

After I'm dead, can I have a Fark thread? I won't even mind when you say that I wasn't hittable, so it's no great loss.

I Said: vintagesoul: Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit

How many people have you killed?

Surprisingly none. Not yet anyways. I suppose it'll have to happen someday but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

On a side note, my car got stolen. Oddly not in Detroit proper but when I lived in Hamtramck briefly. Now if you want to see the Detroit that everyone pictures go there or Highland Park. Just watch out for the tranny prostitutes in HP....ew. Ham town's got its own problems....

DJ Busy Whizkid: ill bet some citizens are actually celebrating

whooooo we're #1!!

The majority are proud and wear it like a badge of courage. The others know things are bad and won't do anything about it.

/lives Downriver
//wishes Detroit was more like Chicago

vertigo32:
Oh, and if you fly into Detroit METRO you are fine. The biggest danger there is getting run over by some redneck in a jacked up 4x4 covered in NASCAR stickers. Detroit City is the airport in the rougher areas.

Nice. NASCAR stickers and ICP stickers. You know the juggalos run wild over there in Taylortucky.

vertigo32: What the hell are you smoking? Ypsi isn't as bad as Detroit...

As I stated previously, the rivers could be running deep with beer, and have neighborhoods populated by nothing but the Cleavers, and it would still be called Ypsilanti.

/come on
//Ypsi for short?
///Sounds like a Tourettes tick

Beavis_Christ: Black Populations of Worst Cities:
#1 Detroit - 81.55%
#2 STL - 51.20%
#3 Flint - 53.30%
#4 Oakland - 35.60% (primarily latino/asian)
#5 Camden - 53.35%
#6 Birmingham - 73.46%
#7 North Charleston - 49.41%
#8 Memphis - 61.41%
#9 Richmond - 36.06% (primarily latino)
#10 Cleveland - 50.99%

Black Populations of Best Cities:
#1 Mission Viejo - 1.15%
#2 Clarkstown - 0.13%
#3 Brick Township - 0.10%
#4 Amherst - 0.13%
#5 Sugerland - 5.20%

This theory also applies when tracking states' average IQs, SAT scores, etc. Pretty interesting, but dangerous to read.

/snark

vintagesoul: Nice. NASCAR stickers and ICP stickers. You know the juggalos run wild over there in Taylortucky.

Hey, I just moved to Newport from Saline a few months back. A bit different neighborhood. I wouldn't have thought I'd go back to Monroe county, but guess it happens.

Just curious, did you graduate from SMCC in 01? Your semi-bio looks like someone I know.

When I saw Cleveland was on that list, I was steamed.
It's like a hot turd hit me right in the chest.

grahammi: The majority are proud and wear it like a badge of courage. The others know things are bad and won't do anything about it.

/lives Downriver
//wishes Detroit was more like Chicago

Um. what? I don't know anyone who does this. Do you?

And I don't think you can divide the city into those two categories so easily. You should learn more about neighborhoods like Boston-Edison, Woodbridge, Corktown and others. All of them have associations and people get together and care. Unfortunately the only people in the city who don't do enough to help are the police force currently.

But yeah, I don't exactly see anyone going around saying they're proud of a city people are afraid to visit. I think most people are pretty in to the idea of making Detroit a tourist destination again - even if that is really far off still.

kthx.

vintagesoul: Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit.... not sure if anyone else who's posted so far does...and I live by Wayne State so pretty close to the heart of things, and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

this is a common misnomer. people say they're from detroit all the time, but they're not. I'm not actually from here either, but I do live here now. And I've actually lived in Ypsi as well. I'll say that Ypsi has its problems, so does willis township and belleville, but they are not like detroit. definitely not as bad. at least you have depot town.

digitalpirate:
/Actually grew up Downriver
//less black people, more Hockey Mullets

this is unfortunately where i grew up and where i consider myself "from", but i try not to bring it up. please refer to the picture of icp in this very same thread for the many reasons why i don't want to tell anyone i'm from there. digitalpirate, yeah more hockeymullets and don't forget plenty of meat market bars and chain restaurants. that's what makes downriver so great....yeah.

pan fried monkey spunk: digitalpirate: When they find out I grew up in Detroit, the ask me questions like "Where you scared?"

And you was like "I was scared everywhere's" ?

pfms you owe me a keyboard and a coke. kthxbye. =)

Andrew Wiggin: I'll risk it for Pizza Papalis.

/best. pizza. evar.

unfortunately, i don't agree with this... como's in ferndale is best by far. if you want real deep dish please go to chi-town... even pizzeria uno is better. and i won't even touch on the vermin problem near greektown so at least visit the rivertown or southfield location if you have to go there... you'll thank me later....

Since I didn't address the article - let me say yeah, there's crime. There would probably be less if our police responded better. Or at all for that matter. I'm not blaming the police, but if no one's enforcing the rules, well sheeeeyat all hell's gonna break loose. Definitely cannot be denied we have a problem here. I won't attribute to race, as a white crackhead will commit crime just like a black one would and they both hang around the outskirts of my neighborhood.

I dunno, I'm still proud of my little crap hole of a city..even though everytime I go back home I see that the problems are becomming worse and worse. When we go to bars my friends frequently make trips to the bathroom and usually return with while rings around their nostrils. More and more houses are up for sale, but the property value has dropped so much that the owner will lose like 80K. Just a bad scene altogether

vertigo32: Hey, I just moved to Newport from Saline a few months back. A bit different neighborhood. I wouldn't have thought I'd go back to Monroe county, but guess it happens.

Just curious, did you graduate from SMCC in 01? Your semi-bio looks like someone I know.

Nah. I'm not even sure where that school is...? I was north of there. And I'm a few years older.... =)

What, is Detroit supposed to be HAPPY with a report like this? True, Detroit's neighborhoods have some serious, serious problems. But as far as you tourists might be concerned, Detroit's downtown is very safe, relative to other downtowns. From a 2007 study by Demographer Jason C. Booza:


http://www.tedconline.com/uploads/2007_Final_Crime_Report%5B1%5D.pdf

As for the farker who's afraid he'll die during his layover at Detroit Metro, you can stop hugging your pillow: DTW is safely tucked away in Romulus.

Saint Mary's Catholic Central

/Trenton High School '99
//Hung out miostly on The Island growing up
//still claim Detroit when in Utah

digitalpirate:
I dunno, I'm still proud of my little crap hole of a city..even though everytime I go back home I see that the problems are becomming worse and worse. When we go to bars my friends frequently make trips to the bathroom and usually return with while rings around their nostrils. More and more houses are up for sale, but the property value has dropped so much that the owner will lose like 80K. Just a bad scene altogether

Oh it's ok to be proud - I guess it depends on which one you're from. I personally detest my hometown because of the lack of diversity and originality of its residents. But I don't get too crazy on those folks because I've moved on and I don't go back unless I have to visit my parents or grandparents.

You're right about the drug problem - wasn't so bad when I was in school, but I didn't do that sort of thing. Not my cup o tea, so I didn't hang around with those sorta people. I know it went on tho, but it seems worse now. Also, property value in the entire state has gone to shiat. No one can sell for a profit and in fact end up taking a loss or breaking even if they're lucky.

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unremarkable asterisk: vintagesoul: Surprisingly none.

slacker

I know... but I'm 8 months pregnant and my jugs got all huge from the baby so I just can't hold a gun like I used to.

Do you think there's classes I can take that'll teach me to hold a gun and my infant at the same time? =)

There's a hole in the world like a great black pit
and it's filled with people who are filled with shiat!
And the vermin of the world inhabit it!

vintagesoul: digitalpirate:
I dunno, I'm still proud of my little crap hole of a city..even though everytime I go back home I see that the problems are becomming worse and worse. When we go to bars my friends frequently make trips to the bathroom and usually return with while rings around their nostrils. More and more houses are up for sale, but the property value has dropped so much that the owner will lose like 80K. Just a bad scene altogether

Oh it's ok to be proud - I guess it depends on which one you're from. I personally detest my hometown because of the lack of diversity and originality of its residents. But I don't get too crazy on those folks because I've moved on and I don't go back unless I have to visit my parents or grandparents.

You're right about the drug problem - wasn't so bad when I was in school, but I didn't do that sort of thing. Not my cup o tea, so I didn't hang around with those sorta people. I know it went on tho, but it seems worse now. Also, property value in the entire state has gone to shiat. No one can sell for a profit and in fact end up taking a loss or breaking even if they're lucky.

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unremarkable asterisk: vintagesoul: Surprisingly none.

slacker

I know... but I'm 8 months pregnant and my jugs got all huge from the baby so I just can't hold a gun like I used to.

Do you think there's classes I can take that'll teach me to hold a gun and my infant at the same time? =)

I'm not really into that scene myself. Only the friends that stayed Downriver are into it. Drugs and squirting out children seems to be a constant theme downriver...

Flint, in at number 3. Take that Gary!

digitalpirate: Saint Mary's Catholic Central

/Trenton High School '99
//Hung out miostly on The Island growing up
//still claim Detroit when in Utah

AHAAAA... I got ya. Yeah I was a public school kid. I didn't really know the catholic schools til after I graduated and only then because i worked in Livonia. The catholic capital of the state.

THS in 97 - don't know how many farkers will be able to pin me down now that I've admitted that much, but oh well. if you know me then you know me...word.

There might be a lot of crime, but there's plenty of beautiful new houses in Detroit. Detroit Real Estate guide (new window)

My sister graduated in '96

digitalpirate:
I'm not really into that scene myself. Only the friends that stayed Downriver are into it. Drugs and squirting out children seems to be a constant theme downriver...

That's good...avoid it. But yeah you're right about that. Oh and don't forget no matter where you go, you come home go to eastern get your teaching cert and teach where you graduated from while being just slightly less racist than your parents. That's why the minority population can manage to increase by about 1% each year in most downriver communities. (notice i said most and not all.)

digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

while being curious who your sister is...that's not the type of thing we should talk about in a fark thread... =)

I went to Central Michigan Univ to get my teaching degree...ended up graduating with an engineering degree though.

I see the area like a big dough-nut. The downtown area and surrounding historic neighborhoods are relatively safe although I wouldnt be caught alone down there @ nite.

Outside the dough-nut is outside the city limits. Areas like warren hazel park, oak park, and ferndale are once again "relatively" safe although each plummeting at their own rate.

Within the "dough" area is where you dont want to be. These are the areas where people from out of town chances are wont visit since there is nothing to visit... Except your local pimps, pawnshops, panhandlers, and pipers. Plug your nose and prey your not downwind if your anywhere in wafting distance.



The city was laid out as street after street of lot after lot. Now since in some areas there isnt a structure be it occupied or unoccupied for blocks upon blocks, there arent isnt even enough tax revenue to keep the traffic lights working. Look both ways before you cross!


The above being said, there is danger in every city and it seems to seek out the people who put themselves in dangerous positions by engaging in risk behaviors. Be it Detroit, St Louis, or Rancho Cucamunga.

unremarkable asterisk 2007-11-20 01:58:10 PM
digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

My cat's name is mittens.

I like cheesburgers

vintagesoul: digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

while being curious who your sister is...that's not the type of thing we should talk about in a fark thread... =)

Agreed,

I wonder if any more people from T-town are here in Salt Lake City...i haven't heard a teacher use the n-word for a while...

Pvt Joker: There might be a lot of crime, but there's plenty of beautiful new houses in Detroit. Detroit Real Estate guide (new window)

Hey, comic genius: slide #11 is actually part if The Heidelberg Project, a world-renowned public art piece:

http://www.heidelberg.org/history.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Project

It's hard living in a small town, isn't it.

System Fault:

Very interesting - so bleak.

Bully-Cummings should quit biatching about bad research methods and face the truth. She admits 60% of murders are prohibition-related( though she uses the code word 'drug'). Quit enforcing drug laws and they'd have a lot less violence and real crime. Any city would, actually.

unremarkable asterisk: Check with the YMCA, or the local community college. You can't be the only one with this problem.

I think you're on to something. I'll have to look into getting my CCWWHAI (that's a CCW while holding an infant).

DJ Busy Whizkid:

I'm curious where you're getting your info. Some of it rings true, but other stuff sounds kind of made up.

Detroit's changing now. The area that's safe is getting bigger. There's a long way to go, but progress is being made. Almost the entire woodward corridor from New Center to Jefferson is for the most part safe, with the exception of a few blocks here and there that still haven't been developed.

If you haven't been here in a while, you should check it out for some first hand knowledge. There's actually a kick ass bar scene off of woodward in some of the neighborhoods and by Wayne State, as well as a hell of a local music scene at any of the famous places: majestic, shelter, st. andrews, old miami, the works and now there's buzz bar.

It's worth it. And there's always a risk when you go to a big city. Always.

Cold_Sassy: System Fault:

Very interesting - so bleak.

True. Additionally:


Back in the 1970s I would occasionally stop by a little bar on Woodward Avenue near Eight Mile where there was the usual under the table gambling. A popular game was the Ghoul Pool where bettors would risk a few dollars on guessing the annual Detroit murder count.

Cryoutloud:

I was at the Detroit airport this morning (dropping my girlfriend off). I was brutally murdered, and my corpse was defiled.

Pvt Joker: There might be a lot of crime, but there's plenty of beautiful new houses in Detroit. Detroit Real Estate guide (new window)


Thread winner. Awesome thanks!

The number one thing that I miss in SLC is the music scene. Detroit's music scene is awesome.

/is Nancy Whiskey's still open...I was there a few months ago and it had just got robbed at gunpoint. The cop told me it was the second time that week.

Has anyone put the Mad Crapper in prison yet, last time I was home he was on his way...something about fake credit cards and a stolen liquor truck.

cryinoutloud: After I'm dead, can I have a Fark thread? I won't even mind when you say that I wasn't hittable, so it's no great loss.

You're eminently hittable. I'm sure there's a farker or two who has rubbed one out to your profile picture.

Do you think there's classes I can take that'll teach me to hold a gun and my infant at the same time? =)

You get one of those baby-toters, like the mean lady had in the beginning of Hannibal. Remember? She had the baby squashed up against her chest, so she could both hold the gun, and keep the soft-hearted FBI agent from shooting her, because she might hit the baby.

Then you throw the *fake* baby at the assailant, diverting attention, and blow everybody away....

They probably wouldn't teach a class about that. But you can learn all kinds of cool things from the movies.

McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: tortilla burger: McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: nashBridges: I blame black people.

And Muslims.

Don't forget the gays and the illegal Mexicans

/got even less

Don't forget global warming and liberals

Perhaps we should start a running list of those responsible. Established so far:
1. Blacks
2. Muslims
3. Gays
4. Mexicans
5. Global Warming
6. Liberals
7. Conservatives
8. Drew
9. Bush
10. Cheney
11. Exxon/Mobil
12. Your mom
13. Militant Vegans
14. Salvation Army
15. Bush/Cheney (deserve 2nd mention)

Did you get gay black mexican vegans?

Also, could we see more charts and graphs from white-history.com?

The city itself is a hole, but the downtown CBD is getting better all the time. The neighborhoods are bad, of course, anyone with any resources moved out LOOONG ago, but unless you are involved in the drug trade or are unfortunate enough to live in the poor ass neighborhoods, your chances of being a victim of a violent crime are very low. Now property crime on the other hand, grrr.
In the burbs and outer cities it's like any other metro area in the US. Albeit and rust-belt metro area, but still.

Straelbora:

I was at the Detroit airport this morning (dropping my girlfriend off). I was brutally murdered, and my corpse was defiled.

Well, make sure you submit the link about your murder. There are tons of jokes to be made about a defiled corpse.

Donovan_Kingfish: Also, could we see more charts and graphs from white-history.com?

All the numbers are from the Uniform Crime Reports courtesy of the FBI. Why not complain to them if you have a problem with the data?

digitalpirate: Has anyone put the Mad Crapper in prison yet, last time I was home he was on his way...something about fake credit cards and a stolen liquor truck.

oh.my.god. well, i can't speak on that subject because i have personal first-hand knowledge of exactly who mc was. *sigh* i haven't thought about that in a while, cept to try and tell my husband about it one night in between laughing fits so hard i was crying and peeing a little.

when he told me it was him, i was speechless. and then i didn't shake his hand because i knew exactly where it had been. heh.

Straelbora: Cryoutloud:

I was at the Detroit airport this morning (dropping my girlfriend off). I was brutally murdered, and my corpse was defiled.

I wasn't the one who killed you. I just defiled your corpse. If I knew it was YOUR corpse I wouldn't have...

vintage ... thats pretty vague, perhaps youd like to be more specific (as to what sounds made up)

you really think the woodward (cass) corridor is safe?

cass corridor? Not at night anyway. WAAY too many jakey folks milling around there...

vintagesoul: digitalpirate: Has anyone put the Mad Crapper in prison yet, last time I was home he was on his way...something about fake credit cards and a stolen liquor truck.

oh.my.god. well, i can't speak on that subject because i have personal first-hand knowledge of exactly who mc was. *sigh* i haven't thought about that in a while, cept to try and tell my husband about it one night in between laughing fits so hard i was crying and peeing a little.

when he told me it was him, i was speechless. and then i didn't shake his hand because i knew exactly where it had been. heh.

Your husband was the Mad Crapper? Did I misunderstand you? I think there was 2 Mad Crappers working together. I graduated with one's younger sister. The other one went to Central Michigan, but got kicked out for selling drugs in the dorms.

DJ Busy Whizkid: vintage ... thats pretty vague, perhaps youd like to be more specific (as to what sounds made up)

you really think the woodward (cass) corridor is safe?

Well let me start by saying that woodward corridor and cass corridor are two completely different things. cass is not safe. although, honest john's and the spiral collective are ok.

as for what sounds made up - your "donut" theory. that's why i said the entire woodward corridor from new center to jefferson is doing well... not really a donut at all. and i'm curious about these areas in the heart of the city that are all pawn shops and that smell bad and where all the crime is committed. afaik, that is mostly on the edges of the neighborhoods with the heart of the city being the safest place.

every month i get an email from WSU because i'm a student and it details crime on campus. for more than 6 months now, the only major crimes were some isolated fondling incidents - outside of clothing - committed by a high school kid. Another one involving an older perv who was caught, and arrested. Besides that your run-of-the-mill car thefts and larceny but that happens every where in the world. end of story. detroit is not that much different, and it's a college town to boot.

there are neighborhoods with groups that meet like my neighborhood, made up of people in the neighborhood who care about the city. those neighborhoods are starting to spread, and there's lots of new development right off of woodward that's helping - lofts and condos - to boost population of people who want a better city.

your depiction is of a city on its way out, and i just don't see that. for the first time in 10 years we are getting better, not worse. we still have a long way to go, but that is to be expected.

digitalpirate:
Your husband was the Mad Crapper? Did I misunderstand you? I think there was 2 Mad Crappers working together. I graduated with one's younger sister. The other one went to Central Michigan, but got kicked out for selling drugs in the dorms.

oh no sorry - i meant when i was telling my husband i couldn't stop laughing. separate thought - when he (the he who's sister you graduated with) told me it was him, i almost died. never saw it coming. i congratulated him, and never told a soul.

sounds like you know though. he must've gone on to tell other people...i guess you can't keep something like that a secret forever.

i'm sad he got in trouble for selling, but honestly it doesn't surprise me. i haven't seen him in years. we used to make movies together and hang out almost every day. i'll never forget when he cut off his eyelashes just to see what it would be like. he blinked incessantly for like a month.

that kid always made me laugh. i miss him bunches...

do you know how to get ahold of him?

nashBridges: You're eminently hittable. I'm sure there's a farker or two who has rubbed one out to your profile picture.

Thank you, but it simply can't be. Farker Wisdom says that I'm at least 20 years beyond hittable...10 years beyond, for the old guys.

I haven't yet provided a view on where i think the city is headed. My description was of a snapshot of the current conditions not a description across time.

The point of my original post was this part "
The above being said, there is danger in every city and it seems to seek out the people who put themselves in dangerous positions by engaging in risk behaviors."

Also do me a favor look at a map, and look at a dough-nut. Now scale the dough-nut to the size of the city limits and youd see downtown and new center are within the dough-nut's hole. (I would include your area with the safe stuff.)

That being said do you think all crimes in the area are reported to WSU authorites? I have heard of a couple friends friends getting robbed in that area and I know they didnt report it.


I would tend to agree that the overall picture is improving albeit slowly.

No, I was never really good friends with either of them. I was way quiet to hang out with someone who pooped a public drinking fountain. I mostly hung around with a few cross country geeks and kept to myself. I went to college and moved out west.

Actually, one of my friends won a mural contest and painted a mural of me and 2 of my friends by the cafeteria in THS. His older brother, Ryan painted one upstairs. I'm the lunch lady with the missing tooth (i had lost my last baby tooth in 11th grade), Sean H and Joe M are the 2 guys standing in line. They were a couple of my fellow cross country nerds.

DJ Busy Whizkid:

Well - unfortunately that wasn't the gist I got from your original post. That being said, I have reconsidered it and still do not necessarily agree. Do you live in the city? Work there? Visit on a daily, or weekly basis? How are you forming your opinion?

And please, do not condescend so much as to suggest I may not understand what a donut looks like or how you may have applied it to the map. I am simply saying where exactly on this map is this donut "center" where all this crime taking place and where all these pawn shops are? Last I checked most pawn shops were on michigan ave on the way out of the city on the dearborn border - again in a straight line - and continuing the trend on the other side of dearborn heading into inkster (another hot mess).

Maybe you could be more specific - which neighborhoods do you speak of specifically that are so bad? Tell me which streets you think are the crime-ridden ones? I can tell you exactly where I see it, since I live there and I see it every day. I don't just stay in my area either, the only thing I don't do in the city currently is work and that was beyond my control. I eat, shop, buy my groceries, visit the beauty supply (where they look at me a bit funny because I'm caucasian but I still go), see local bands and walk my dog. I've been all over the city proper, lived in Hamtramck, and oh yeah my husband was born and raised there just around the corner from where we live now. He attended cass when it was at its worst and has seen first hand the state of the city since he was old enough to remember.

So I guess what I'm asking is when will you address the points I have made, now that I have addressed yours?

As far as wayne is concerned, that was simply an example. No, I'm not naive enough to think that all crimes are reported (since I've mentioned several times in this thread that the cops don't respond very well) and that all crime happens on campus. However, you can't deny that campus occupies a large amount of the downtown area and that it is usually a good indicator of how downtown is at any given moment. I don't get crime reports about any other area, and since I try not to talk about things I don't know about, I won't try to guess what's going on elsewhere unless I have some facts to back up my figures.

I'm glad you agree that the city is improving...that's ultimately the idea I'm trying to impress upon you and everyone else...

What? We're not even in the Top 10 anymore....dammit!

digitalpirate:

That's a bummer - Heather's older bro was so much fun to hang out with. You have to realize too, that they were doing it as kind of a fark you to the school...he always had trouble with authority.

I didn't agree with it, but it certainly made me laugh til my sides hurt, simply because the school administrators were so upset and couldn't figure out who it was...

I haven't been back to THS since I gradiated, and I'm not sure of the mural you speak of, but I know Ryan and his younger bro.

Mostly I just wish I could get in touch with Heather's older bro.

SystemFault: Donovan_Kingfish: Also, could we see more charts and graphs from white-history.com?

All the numbers are from the Uniform Crime Reports courtesy of the FBI. Why not complain to them if you have a problem with the data?

Shame on me for insisting a credible source.

i live in the city

we seem to agree on most points (vintage) i am simply contributing the observations of myself and a couple others who also live in the city.

The dough-nut thing is just a loose analogy with the center being the economically developing area. Your reading into the pawnshop thing waay too much. Describe which streets have crime? IMO it would be easier to describe which DONT which is where the dough-nut came from.

I thought Heather was pretty funny herself. I only hung out with Larry and Justin V a few times, going to concerts in Detroit, through my friends Lance and Kevin. The last time i hung out with Justin he drove us to Slip Mahoney's and waited outside to throw eggs at drunk people. I don't think Larry was in any kind of trouble that I know of, Justin was the real trouble maker. It was only a matter of time before he went to jail.

small world

For all these people posting that they live in, or near, Detroit...why hasn't there been a Detroit Fark Party?

Oh, and Ypsi is Candyland compared to even the nicer parts of Detroit.

/lives in redford
//works surveillance in Detroit
///you would not believe the stuff I see on a daily basis.

unremarkable asterisk: Former Lee Warmer: For all these people posting that they live in, or near, Detroit...why hasn't there been a Detroit Fark Party?

Fear. If they leave the house, they will become a statistic.

They could easily have a fark party on Royle Oak...that's a fun town.

vintagesoul

You didn't happen to work at Shong Hey on West Road did you? I worked there for 2 years, with my older sister.

/just curious

bongmiester:

Doug's Body Shop?

//loved that place

I suspect that more than one neighborhood bar had a similar scheme. Didn't the Detroit Free Press run a daily report of the cumulative homicide count? I remember a palatable excitement the last two weeks of every December as the Ghoul Pool wagerers eagerly checked their guesses -- the pool was very popular and a lot of money was at stake.

I hope none of the underestimating bettors felt it necessary to help sway the numbers in their favor.

Oops. s/underestimating/overestimating/

I remember Como's; they've been around a long time and they've always had good pizza.

Are there still lots of Greek diners serving ethnic dishes? Genuine Mediterranean cuisine at a reasonable price.

Too bad about the adjacent towns going downhill. I had a lot of friends in Ferndale, but it was definitely on the decline from long ago. On the other hand, they just elected a new mayor and he's supposed to help make Ferndale fabulous, just like himself.

For the drooling, Pizza Papalis lovers, I make you a pic.

Pizza to die for? Come to see for yourself.

I prefered Buddy's in Dearborn, but if i'm goin into the city, I'm going to eat in Greektown. Is Mosaic still down there?

Detroit crime rates:

Car theft: 4.56 times the national average

Murder: 5.16 times the national average

Arson: 6.34 times the national average

See: http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Detroit&state=MI

Detroit never recovered from the riots. They never even tried to.

Thats a huge heapin' helpin' of SUCK when Gary, IN looks better...

SystemFault: Detroit crime rates:

Car theft: 4.56 times the national average

Murder: 5.16 times the national average

Arson: 6.34 times the national average

See: http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Detroit&state=MI

In defense of Detroit...most of the arson takes place on Devil's Night (the night before Halloween). It's kind of a tradition.

I say we wall the city off and put the ghost of Lee Van Cleef in charge.

Ball of Confusion: Detroit never recovered from the riots. They never even tried to.

I remember the riot and how the evening cloud-covered sky was lit red from the fires below.

But not every business in the area was burnt. Those with "Soul Brother" spray painted on the front were merely looted.

Other riot memories:

1) An eight p.m. curfew for both children and adults.

2) Could not buy gasoline pumped into a container; if you wanted to fuel your lawn mower, you had to siphon from your car's gas tank.

3) Groups of four or more were not permitted to assemble in the street at any time.

Apathy Curve: I say we wall the city off and put the ghost of Lee Van Cleef in charge.

so then we will have a new group to blame: Mongolians

digitalpirate:

I didn't work there, but all three of my stepsisters did.

Yeah. It is a small world....

DJ Busy Whizkid: i live in the city

we seem to agree on most points (vintage) i am simply contributing the observations of myself and a couple others who also live in the city.

The dough-nut thing is just a loose analogy with the center being the economically developing area. Your reading into the pawnshop thing waay too much. Describe which streets have crime? IMO it would be easier to describe which DONT which is where the dough-nut came from.

I think I see where you are coming from. At any rate, do read/post on detroityes? It's a great site for those who live in the city. I haven't been on in a couple of months - been busy at work and with school, but there's a lot of great local people who care about the city and they talk about some very relevant topics as well as local events and things like that....