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2007-11-20 01:23:30 PM
Tariq (explaining to "Dim" why his parents moved from Iraq to the States thirty years prior): "...you know how stupid and violent you have to be to make Detroit look like a step in the right direction?"
 
2007-11-20 01:24:19 PM
LANshark
why would 'white-history.com' chronicle urban blight in a predominately black neighborhood? For some reason, I didnt want to visit that site to find out.

Uncle Tom!
 
2007-11-20 01:24:35 PM
I thought Detroit's new motto was "Hey, at least we're not New Orleans.."
 
2007-11-20 01:25:08 PM
digitalpirate: /Actually grew up Downriver

Ah, so you are a Muskrat connoisseur?
 
2007-11-20 01:25:08 PM
84Charlie: Tariq (explaining to "Dim" why his parents moved from Iraq to the States thirty years prior): "...you know how stupid and violent you have to be to make Detroit look like a step in the right direction?"

Great show

Excellent refrence
 
2007-11-20 01:27:31 PM
Does anyone remember how many of Detroit's suburbs are on the list of the safest communities in the country? I vaguely remember Canton and Troy being fairly high.
 
2007-11-20 01:27:50 PM
Andrew Wiggin - oh my god do I love me some Pizza Papalis. Every time I come home for x-mas I try to go there. Greektown FTW!
 
2007-11-20 01:28:52 PM
There are danger zones I will not visit, but the whole city should not suffer this reputation. Shame.
 
2007-11-20 01:29:56 PM
Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit.... not sure if anyone else who's posted so far does...and I live by Wayne State so pretty close to the heart of things, and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit


this is a common misnomer. people say they're from detroit all the time, but they're not. I'm not actually from here either, but I do live here now. And I've actually lived in Ypsi as well. I'll say that Ypsi has its problems, so does willis township and belleville, but they are not like detroit. definitely not as bad. at least you have depot town.

digitalpirate:

/Actually grew up Downriver
//less black people, more Hockey Mullets


this is unfortunately where i grew up and where i consider myself "from", but i try not to bring it up. please refer to the picture of icp in this very same thread for the many reasons why i don't want to tell anyone i'm from there. digitalpirate, yeah more hockeymullets and don't forget plenty of meat market bars and chain restaurants. that's what makes downriver so great....yeah.

pan fried monkey spunk:
digitalpirate: When they find out I grew up in Detroit, the ask me questions like "Where you scared?"

And you was like "I was scared everywhere's" ?


pfms you owe me a keyboard and a coke. kthxbye. =)

Andrew Wiggin:
I'll risk it for Pizza Papalis.

/best. pizza. evar.


unfortunately, i don't agree with this... como's in ferndale is best by far. if you want real deep dish please go to chi-town... even pizzeria uno is better. and i won't even touch on the vermin problem near greektown so at least visit the rivertown or southfield location if you have to go there... you'll thank me later....

Since I didn't address the article - let me say yeah, there's crime. There would probably be less if our police responded better. Or at all for that matter. I'm not blaming the police, but if no one's enforcing the rules, well sheeeeyat all hell's gonna break loose. Definitely cannot be denied we have a problem here. I won't attribute to race, as a white crackhead will commit crime just like a black one would and they both hang around the outskirts of my neighborhood.
 
2007-11-20 01:32:13 PM
LANshark: why would 'white-history.com' chronicle urban blight in a predominately black neighborhood? For some reason, I didnt want to visit that site to find out.

Why discriminate on the basis of the site's name? Prejudice is a terrible thing, you know. And sometimes the truth hurts.

And, how dare you call it an example of urban blight? That establishment is serving its demographic better than the surrounding many acres of empty fields once occupied by burned out houses.

Forty years ago I lived nearby. I had been the victim of vandalism, thievery, and assault. Unless and until Detroit sends me about $150,000 in compensation, I'll keep warning others to stay the fark away.
 
2007-11-20 01:32:21 PM
vintagesoul: Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit

How many people have you killed?
 
2007-11-20 01:33:45 PM
McEnroe My Childhood Nemesis: timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

Actually, I think it's worse. Only because it's called Ypsilanti...


What the hell are you smoking? Ypsi isn't as bad as Detroit...

Although Detroit was never as bad? never seemed as bad? as the Detroit the rest of the world seems to know. I was there all hours, all over the place for years and had more bad experiences with (other) white suburban kids who thought the city was a free-for-all then any of the locals. Bums and crackheads, but it's not that different then any city. There are a few neighborhoods to avoid, but you get that anywhere.

Oh, and if you fly into Detroit METRO you are fine. The biggest danger there is getting run over by some redneck in a jacked up 4x4 covered in NASCAR stickers. Detroit City is the airport in the rougher areas.
 
2007-11-20 01:34:32 PM
unremarkable asterisk: cryinoutloud: I have to go to the Detroit airport in a couple of weeks. Am I going to die?

If Detroit wants to maintain its top spot, then yes... you will die. Thanks for your contribution.


After I'm dead, can I have a Fark thread? I won't even mind when you say that I wasn't hittable, so it's no great loss.
 
2007-11-20 01:35:10 PM
I Said: vintagesoul: Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit

How many people have you killed?


Surprisingly none. Not yet anyways. I suppose it'll have to happen someday but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

On a side note, my car got stolen. Oddly not in Detroit proper but when I lived in Hamtramck briefly. Now if you want to see the Detroit that everyone pictures go there or Highland Park. Just watch out for the tranny prostitutes in HP....ew. Ham town's got its own problems....
 
2007-11-20 01:35:32 PM
DJ Busy Whizkid: ill bet some citizens are actually celebrating

whooooo we're #1!!


The majority are proud and wear it like a badge of courage. The others know things are bad and won't do anything about it.

/lives Downriver
//wishes Detroit was more like Chicago
 
2007-11-20 01:37:44 PM
vertigo32:
Oh, and if you fly into Detroit METRO you are fine. The biggest danger there is getting run over by some redneck in a jacked up 4x4 covered in NASCAR stickers. Detroit City is the airport in the rougher areas.


Nice. NASCAR stickers and ICP stickers. You know the juggalos run wild over there in Taylortucky.
 
2007-11-20 01:40:50 PM
vertigo32: What the hell are you smoking? Ypsi isn't as bad as Detroit...

As I stated previously, the rivers could be running deep with beer, and have neighborhoods populated by nothing but the Cleavers, and it would still be called Ypsilanti.

/come on
//Ypsi for short?
///Sounds like a Tourettes tick
 
2007-11-20 01:42:02 PM
Beavis_Christ: Black Populations of Worst Cities:
#1 Detroit - 81.55%
#2 STL - 51.20%
#3 Flint - 53.30%
#4 Oakland - 35.60% (primarily latino/asian)
#5 Camden - 53.35%
#6 Birmingham - 73.46%
#7 North Charleston - 49.41%
#8 Memphis - 61.41%
#9 Richmond - 36.06% (primarily latino)
#10 Cleveland - 50.99%

Black Populations of Best Cities:
#1 Mission Viejo - 1.15%
#2 Clarkstown - 0.13%
#3 Brick Township - 0.10%
#4 Amherst - 0.13%
#5 Sugerland - 5.20%


This theory also applies when tracking states' average IQs, SAT scores, etc. Pretty interesting, but dangerous to read.

/snark
 
2007-11-20 01:42:11 PM
vintagesoul: Nice. NASCAR stickers and ICP stickers. You know the juggalos run wild over there in Taylortucky.

Hey, I just moved to Newport from Saline a few months back. A bit different neighborhood. I wouldn't have thought I'd go back to Monroe county, but guess it happens.

Just curious, did you graduate from SMCC in 01? Your semi-bio looks like someone I know.
 
2007-11-20 01:42:39 PM
When I saw Cleveland was on that list, I was steamed.
It's like a hot turd hit me right in the chest.
 
2007-11-20 01:43:41 PM
grahammi: The majority are proud and wear it like a badge of courage. The others know things are bad and won't do anything about it.

/lives Downriver
//wishes Detroit was more like Chicago


Um. what? I don't know anyone who does this. Do you?

And I don't think you can divide the city into those two categories so easily. You should learn more about neighborhoods like Boston-Edison, Woodbridge, Corktown and others. All of them have associations and people get together and care. Unfortunately the only people in the city who don't do enough to help are the police force currently.

But yeah, I don't exactly see anyone going around saying they're proud of a city people are afraid to visit. I think most people are pretty in to the idea of making Detroit a tourist destination again - even if that is really far off still.

kthx.
 
2007-11-20 01:44:25 PM
vintagesoul: Ok. I actually live *in* Detroit.... not sure if anyone else who's posted so far does...and I live by Wayne State so pretty close to the heart of things, and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

timmy242:
/"from" Detroit
//actually from Ypsilanti
///just as bad as Detroit

this is a common misnomer. people say they're from detroit all the time, but they're not. I'm not actually from here either, but I do live here now. And I've actually lived in Ypsi as well. I'll say that Ypsi has its problems, so does willis township and belleville, but they are not like detroit. definitely not as bad. at least you have depot town.

digitalpirate:
/Actually grew up Downriver
//less black people, more Hockey Mullets

this is unfortunately where i grew up and where i consider myself "from", but i try not to bring it up. please refer to the picture of icp in this very same thread for the many reasons why i don't want to tell anyone i'm from there. digitalpirate, yeah more hockeymullets and don't forget plenty of meat market bars and chain restaurants. that's what makes downriver so great....yeah.

pan fried monkey spunk: digitalpirate: When they find out I grew up in Detroit, the ask me questions like "Where you scared?"

And you was like "I was scared everywhere's" ?

pfms you owe me a keyboard and a coke. kthxbye. =)

Andrew Wiggin: I'll risk it for Pizza Papalis.

/best. pizza. evar.

unfortunately, i don't agree with this... como's in ferndale is best by far. if you want real deep dish please go to chi-town... even pizzeria uno is better. and i won't even touch on the vermin problem near greektown so at least visit the rivertown or southfield location if you have to go there... you'll thank me later....

Since I didn't address the article - let me say yeah, there's crime. There would probably be less if our police responded better. Or at all for that matter. I'm not blaming the police, but if no one's enforcing the rules, well sheeeeyat all hell's gonna break loose. Definitely cannot be denied we have a problem here. I won't attribute to race, as a white crackhead will commit crime just like a black one would and they both hang around the outskirts of my neighborhood.


I dunno, I'm still proud of my little crap hole of a city..even though everytime I go back home I see that the problems are becomming worse and worse. When we go to bars my friends frequently make trips to the bathroom and usually return with while rings around their nostrils. More and more houses are up for sale, but the property value has dropped so much that the owner will lose like 80K. Just a bad scene altogether
 
2007-11-20 01:45:28 PM
vintagesoul: Surprisingly none.

slacker
 
2007-11-20 01:46:04 PM
vertigo32: Hey, I just moved to Newport from Saline a few months back. A bit different neighborhood. I wouldn't have thought I'd go back to Monroe county, but guess it happens.

Just curious, did you graduate from SMCC in 01? Your semi-bio looks like someone I know.


Nah. I'm not even sure where that school is...? I was north of there. And I'm a few years older.... =)
 
2007-11-20 01:49:16 PM
What, is Detroit supposed to be HAPPY with a report like this? True, Detroit's neighborhoods have some serious, serious problems. But as far as you tourists might be concerned, Detroit's downtown is very safe, relative to other downtowns. From a 2007 study by Demographer Jason C. Booza:

i145.photobucket.com
http://www.tedconline.com/uploads/2007_Final_Crime_Report%5B1%5D.pdf

As for the farker who's afraid he'll die during his layover at Detroit Metro, you can stop hugging your pillow: DTW is safely tucked away in Romulus.
 
2007-11-20 01:49:57 PM
cryinoutloud: After I'm dead, can I have a Fark thread? I won't even mind when you say that I wasn't hittable, so it's no great loss.

Yes, you may have a thread but the mods will likely redlight it while greenlighting some repeat. Yes, you may have a thread but the mods will likely redlight it while greenlighting some repeat.
 
2007-11-20 01:49:59 PM
Saint Mary's Catholic Central

/Trenton High School '99
//Hung out miostly on The Island growing up
//still claim Detroit when in Utah
 
2007-11-20 01:50:49 PM
digitalpirate:
I dunno, I'm still proud of my little crap hole of a city..even though everytime I go back home I see that the problems are becomming worse and worse. When we go to bars my friends frequently make trips to the bathroom and usually return with while rings around their nostrils. More and more houses are up for sale, but the property value has dropped so much that the owner will lose like 80K. Just a bad scene altogether


Oh it's ok to be proud - I guess it depends on which one you're from. I personally detest my hometown because of the lack of diversity and originality of its residents. But I don't get too crazy on those folks because I've moved on and I don't go back unless I have to visit my parents or grandparents.

You're right about the drug problem - wasn't so bad when I was in school, but I didn't do that sort of thing. Not my cup o tea, so I didn't hang around with those sorta people. I know it went on tho, but it seems worse now. Also, property value in the entire state has gone to shiat. No one can sell for a profit and in fact end up taking a loss or breaking even if they're lucky.

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unremarkable asterisk: vintagesoul: Surprisingly none.

slacker


I know... but I'm 8 months pregnant and my jugs got all huge from the baby so I just can't hold a gun like I used to.

Do you think there's classes I can take that'll teach me to hold a gun and my infant at the same time? =)
 
2007-11-20 01:52:45 PM
There's a hole in the world like a great black pit
and it's filled with people who are filled with shiat!
And the vermin of the world inhabit it!
 
2007-11-20 01:53:24 PM
vintagesoul: digitalpirate:
I dunno, I'm still proud of my little crap hole of a city..even though everytime I go back home I see that the problems are becomming worse and worse. When we go to bars my friends frequently make trips to the bathroom and usually return with while rings around their nostrils. More and more houses are up for sale, but the property value has dropped so much that the owner will lose like 80K. Just a bad scene altogether

Oh it's ok to be proud - I guess it depends on which one you're from. I personally detest my hometown because of the lack of diversity and originality of its residents. But I don't get too crazy on those folks because I've moved on and I don't go back unless I have to visit my parents or grandparents.

You're right about the drug problem - wasn't so bad when I was in school, but I didn't do that sort of thing. Not my cup o tea, so I didn't hang around with those sorta people. I know it went on tho, but it seems worse now. Also, property value in the entire state has gone to shiat. No one can sell for a profit and in fact end up taking a loss or breaking even if they're lucky.

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unremarkable asterisk: vintagesoul: Surprisingly none.

slacker

I know... but I'm 8 months pregnant and my jugs got all huge from the baby so I just can't hold a gun like I used to.

Do you think there's classes I can take that'll teach me to hold a gun and my infant at the same time? =)


I'm not really into that scene myself. Only the friends that stayed Downriver are into it. Drugs and squirting out children seems to be a constant theme downriver...
 
2007-11-20 01:53:40 PM
Flint, in at number 3. Take that Gary!
 
2007-11-20 01:54:16 PM
digitalpirate: Saint Mary's Catholic Central

/Trenton High School '99
//Hung out miostly on The Island growing up
//still claim Detroit when in Utah


AHAAAA... I got ya. Yeah I was a public school kid. I didn't really know the catholic schools til after I graduated and only then because i worked in Livonia. The catholic capital of the state.

THS in 97 - don't know how many farkers will be able to pin me down now that I've admitted that much, but oh well. if you know me then you know me...word.
 
2007-11-20 01:56:24 PM
There might be a lot of crime, but there's plenty of beautiful new houses in Detroit. Detroit Real Estate guide (new window)
 
2007-11-20 01:56:42 PM
My sister graduated in '96
 
2007-11-20 01:57:20 PM
digitalpirate:
I'm not really into that scene myself. Only the friends that stayed Downriver are into it. Drugs and squirting out children seems to be a constant theme downriver...


That's good...avoid it. But yeah you're right about that. Oh and don't forget no matter where you go, you come home go to eastern get your teaching cert and teach where you graduated from while being just slightly less racist than your parents. That's why the minority population can manage to increase by about 1% each year in most downriver communities. (notice i said most and not all.)
 
2007-11-20 01:58:10 PM
digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

My cat's name is mittens.
 
2007-11-20 01:59:14 PM
digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

while being curious who your sister is...that's not the type of thing we should talk about in a fark thread... =)
 
2007-11-20 01:59:18 PM
I went to Central Michigan Univ to get my teaching degree...ended up graduating with an engineering degree though.
 
2007-11-20 02:00:15 PM
I see the area like a big dough-nut. The downtown area and surrounding historic neighborhoods are relatively safe although I wouldnt be caught alone down there @ nite.

Outside the dough-nut is outside the city limits. Areas like warren hazel park, oak park, and ferndale are once again "relatively" safe although each plummeting at their own rate.

Within the "dough" area is where you dont want to be. These are the areas where people from out of town chances are wont visit since there is nothing to visit... Except your local pimps, pawnshops, panhandlers, and pipers. Plug your nose and prey your not downwind if your anywhere in wafting distance.



The city was laid out as street after street of lot after lot. Now since in some areas there isnt a structure be it occupied or unoccupied for blocks upon blocks, there arent isnt even enough tax revenue to keep the traffic lights working. Look both ways before you cross!


The above being said, there is danger in every city and it seems to seek out the people who put themselves in dangerous positions by engaging in risk behaviors. Be it Detroit, St Louis, or Rancho Cucamunga.
 
2007-11-20 02:00:19 PM
vintagesoul: I know... but I'm 8 months pregnant and my jugs got all huge from the baby so I just can't hold a gun like I used to.

Do you think there's classes I can take that'll teach me to hold a gun and my infant at the same time? =)


Check with the YMCA, or the local community college. You can't be the only one with this problem.
 
2007-11-20 02:00:48 PM
unremarkable asterisk 2007-11-20 01:58:10 PM
digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

My cat's name is mittens.


I like cheesburgers
 
2007-11-20 02:01:49 PM
PublishingGal: The City of St Louis (mind you, I was born and live in the county) reminds you that its only #2 now.

So go Detroit! Go Redbirds, go Rams, etc etc! Come see that Arch!


Yes, but we all know that nobody lives in the City of St. Louis, that's why the crime rates are so high.

/County as well... go Blues!
 
2007-11-20 02:03:26 PM
Fark_incense: I like cheesburgers

I bent my wookie.
 
2007-11-20 02:05:45 PM
vintagesoul: digitalpirate: My sister graduated in '96

while being curious who your sister is...that's not the type of thing we should talk about in a fark thread... =)


Agreed,

I wonder if any more people from T-town are here in Salt Lake City...i haven't heard a teacher use the n-word for a while...
 
2007-11-20 02:06:28 PM
Pvt Joker: There might be a lot of crime, but there's plenty of beautiful new houses in Detroit. Detroit Real Estate guide (new window)

Hey, comic genius: slide #11 is actually part if The Heidelberg Project, a world-renowned public art piece:

http://www.heidelberg.org/history.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Project

It's hard living in a small town, isn't it.
 
2007-11-20 02:07:39 PM
System Fault:

Very interesting - so bleak.
 
2007-11-20 02:07:55 PM
Paid RNC Shill: When I saw Cleveland was on that list, I was steamed.
It's like a hot turd hit me right in the chest.


WIN
 
2007-11-20 02:13:39 PM
Bully-Cummings should quit biatching about bad research methods and face the truth. She admits 60% of murders are prohibition-related( though she uses the code word 'drug'). Quit enforcing drug laws and they'd have a lot less violence and real crime. Any city would, actually.
 
2007-11-20 02:14:44 PM
unremarkable asterisk: Check with the YMCA, or the local community college. You can't be the only one with this problem.

I think you're on to something. I'll have to look into getting my CCWWHAI (that's a CCW while holding an infant).

DJ Busy Whizkid:

I'm curious where you're getting your info. Some of it rings true, but other stuff sounds kind of made up.

Detroit's changing now. The area that's safe is getting bigger. There's a long way to go, but progress is being made. Almost the entire woodward corridor from New Center to Jefferson is for the most part safe, with the exception of a few blocks here and there that still haven't been developed.

If you haven't been here in a while, you should check it out for some first hand knowledge. There's actually a kick ass bar scene off of woodward in some of the neighborhoods and by Wayne State, as well as a hell of a local music scene at any of the famous places: majestic, shelter, st. andrews, old miami, the works and now there's buzz bar.

It's worth it. And there's always a risk when you go to a big city. Always.
 
2007-11-20 02:19:48 PM
Cold_Sassy: System Fault:

Very interesting - so bleak.


True. Additionally:
white-history.com

Back in the 1970s I would occasionally stop by a little bar on Woodward Avenue near Eight Mile where there was the usual under the table gambling. A popular game was the Ghoul Pool where bettors would risk a few dollars on guessing the annual Detroit murder count.
 
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