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(AP)   Judge agrees to hear argument that Church is a business. This should end well   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 33
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2007-11-16 02:39:57 PM  
That's gotta be the sixth seal at least...
 
2007-11-16 02:41:49 PM  
Oh, just "a" church, not "the Church." Meh, stuff gets litigated more than you think.
 
2007-11-16 02:47:54 PM  
Doesn't sound like his "church" was really a "religious institution".
 
2007-11-16 02:48:24 PM  
Wait until they call God in as a material witness.
 
2007-11-16 02:59:09 PM  
*grabs popcorn*
 
2007-11-16 03:00:55 PM  
Why does God need an expense account?

/With pardon to William Shatner.
 
2007-11-16 03:29:50 PM  
I'm Catholic, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

At least until the next diocese goes bankrupt because corrupt bishops protected pederast priests.
 
2007-11-16 03:42:03 PM  
"That church is no different than any other business he might have opened," said the wife's lawyer, Robert Pollack.

What about the tax and zoning preferences and automatic credibility?
 
2007-11-16 05:15:42 PM  
MasterThief: I'm Catholic, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

At least until the next diocese goes bankrupt because corrupt bishops protected pederast priests.


First you get down on your knees
Fiddle with your rosaries
Bow your head with great respect
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect

Do whatever steps you want if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff
Everybody say his own kyrie eleison
Doin' the Vatican Rag

Get in line in that processional
Step into that small confessional
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original

If it is, try playin' it safer
Drink the wine and chew the wafer
Two, four, six, eight
Time to transubstantiate

So get down upon your knees
Fiddle with your rosaries
Bow your head with great respect
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect

Make a cross on your abdomen
When in Rome do like a Roman
Ave Maria, gee it's good to see ya
Gettin' ecstatic an' sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag
 
2007-11-16 05:17:41 PM  
Wrong.

When prayer fails, you can't sue.
 
2007-11-16 05:21:20 PM  
Televangelists and the non-denominational mega churchs that are sprouting up all over the place are definitely businesses. what a major con job those folks are pulling.
 
2007-11-16 05:22:04 PM  
as a divorce settlement?????

maybe if it was a for profit business, but a church is basically a charity, and if her husband gave all of his money to charity first then she is out of luck.
 
2007-11-16 05:22:09 PM  
People who are so stupid that they don't realize that ALL churches are businesses deserve to waste their money on them.

There's a sucker born every minute, Sucker.
 
2007-11-16 05:24:12 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: When prayer fails, you can't sue.

Yet psychic hotlines have the disclaimer "for entertainment only". That churches should be so honest.
 
2007-11-16 05:26:29 PM  
I'm the queerest young fellow that ever you heard.
My mother's a jew, my father's a bird.
With Joseph the joiner I cannot agree,
So here's to disciples and Calvary.

If anyone thinks that I amn't divine
He'll get no free drinks when I'm making the wine
But have to drink water and wish it were plain
That I make when the wine becomes water again.

Goodbye, now, goodbye. Write down all I said
And tell Tom, Dick and Harry I rose from the dead.
What's bred in the bone cannot fail me to fly
And Olivet's breezy . . . Goodbye, now, goodbye.
 
2007-11-16 05:36:35 PM  
Church is the most boring book club ever because they always cover the same book. It shouldn't be any more tax exempt than any other book club.
 
2007-11-16 05:36:43 PM  
thisisntnamtherearerules: maybe if it was a for profit business, but a church is basically a charity, and if her husband gave all of his money to charity first then she is out of luck.

Well that kind of depends on whether he gave the money away or not. If he gave it to the church and the church spent it on charity, I would agree with you. If "the church" bought him a Rolls Royce, like that asshat from some days ago, it's another matter.
 
2007-11-16 05:45:18 PM  
LikeALeafOnTheWind: Televangelists and the non-denominational mega churchs that are sprouting up all over the place are definitely businesses. what a major con job those folks are pulling.

Because churches in the old days were do-goodnik places where proletarian dreams were answered by benevolent patriarchical overlords? (there's a slam against do-goodnik legislatures in there somewhere)

I don't see how the state should be involved in taxing even the least religious institutions... taxation then implies some level of representation at the legislative level, and as much as the two political parties are carbon copies of each other, do you really want the line between church & state to be blurred?

/also not sure why the power of the purse was wed to the ability to write laws & levy taxes... seems like it's done a lot of bad for this country
 
2007-11-16 06:15:38 PM  
If she wins, could they also lose their tax exempt status, because he was "stealing" or using the church's money for personal gain?
 
2007-11-16 06:33:30 PM  
Nobody should worry, another judge will come along and correct any "mistakes" this judge makes.
 
2007-11-16 06:36:00 PM  
This is one to watch.

I do agree that church has become and industry of it's own with it's executives living in excess far beyond the intention of the "charitable organization" category.
 
2007-11-16 06:41:33 PM  
Bring them down. They are crooks, snake-oil salesmen, shysters, three-card monte dealers, extortionists. Our cities, towns and rural areas suffer because of the lost taxes while working people are being raped by religious corporations that they do not even endorse. Bring them all down.

/Don't be a hater. Read my bio.
//I have walked the walk, before talking the talk.
///Can you say the same.
//Slashies are salvation
 
2007-11-16 06:53:05 PM  
t3knomanser: Yet psychic hotlines have the disclaimer "for entertainment only". That churches should be so honest.

Couldn't have said it better---good job
 
2007-11-16 07:22:42 PM  
OneNightStandBring: them down. They are crooks, snake-oil salesmen, shysters, three-card monte dealers, extortionists. Our cities, towns and rural areas suffer because of the lost taxes while working people are being raped by religious corporations that they do not even endorse. Bring them all down.


Not to mention they endorse political candidates which is totally in violation of their tax-exempt status
 
2007-11-16 08:01:54 PM  
mistahtom:

Not to mention they endorse political candidates which is totally in violation of their tax-exempt status


Pretty much This.
 
2007-11-16 08:20:38 PM  
TGWJH --
...and if they filed jointly, would she be hit by any penalties for having fraudulently claiming such exemptions in the past?
 
2007-11-16 11:36:17 PM  
Mary Sue and L Ron Hubbard have both been dead a long time, why are they just now having a divorce fight over the business assets? Or is the article about the also dead Tammie Faye and Jim Baker? Perhaps I should read the article.....

milk_plus: Church is the most boring book club ever because they always cover the same book. It shouldn't be any more tax exempt than any other book club.

This has got to be the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

I hope this case goes all the court system so that the accounting is transparent, the churches and their business activities follow GAAP or better standards, and taxes are paid for all business activities.

Back to book club "churches"... Scientology has tons of books, all by one author who has been dead for many years and is still releasing new ones. It is also the worst offender of "business hiding in a church" fraud.
 
2007-11-17 12:58:22 AM  
Well.......duh.
 
2007-11-17 02:17:11 AM  
grxymkjbn: People who are so stupid that they don't realize that ALL churches are businesses deserve to waste their money on them.

There's a sucker born every minute, Sucker.


You, sir, are a retard. There is an incredible difference between your local church and one of these stupid megachurches.
 
2007-11-17 02:42:26 AM  
Oh No Computer: You, sir, are a retard. There is an incredible difference between your local church and one of these stupid megachurches.


I agree, there is an incredible amount of money assets both churches have.

/Same bullshiat
//different assets.
 
2007-11-17 02:49:35 AM  
milk_plus: Church is the most boring book club ever because they always cover the same book. It shouldn't be any more tax exempt than any other book club.

At least the Mormons have a supplemental
 
2007-11-17 04:49:28 AM  
Seriously. What is DealNews trying to sell? If it comes from a kid's nose or from between an old lady's tits, I DO NOT WANT.
 
2007-11-17 03:42:21 PM  
nobodyUwannaknow: Back to book club "churches"... Scientology has tons of books, all by one author who has been dead for many years and is still releasing new ones. It is also the worst offender of "business hiding in a church" fraud.

I wonder if there will be an amicus filing from the COS lawyers?
 
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