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2007-11-15 10:22:07 AM
The only people who could possibly think this is in any way cool are people who have never seen a dog.
 
2007-11-15 10:39:24 AM
Funny headline.

/former radio intern
 
2007-11-15 10:56:10 AM
They're not supposed to be cool, they're supposed to train idiot dogs who don't learn any other way. Like my puggle.
 
2007-11-15 10:57:23 AM
I have one of these things that I use on my dog. It pinches a little (I tried it on myself) but it gets her out of the zone so she will pay attention.
 
2007-11-15 11:21:30 AM
Without one of those, my sister and her husband would have had to get rid of their dog. Nice dog, but its frickin huge. Now well behaved.
 
2007-11-15 11:47:27 AM
Don't use one of those, but we do use a pinch collar on our Akita/German Shep mix. It's not about hurting him, just giving enough pinch to get his attention - which can be hard if he's dragging you along after a rabbit.
 
2007-11-15 12:04:41 PM
I must not be fully awake yet. I kept reading that as pet rock devices. I was wondering where the hate was coming from.
 
2007-11-15 12:27:29 PM
www.photopile.com
 
2007-11-15 01:33:47 PM
hahaha next time our intern's in the building....
 
2007-11-15 01:33:57 PM
I have a shock collar for my dog's barking. It doesn't hurt.
 
2007-11-15 01:35:13 PM
LavenderWolf
I have a shock collar for my dog's barking. It doesn't hurt.

He'd probably tell you otherwise if he didn't get the shiat shocked out of him whenever he tries to complain.
 
2007-11-15 01:35:57 PM
Can I still make one for my *other* pets?

Because Cons just wont be the same without them.

/TENS pads work well...
 
2007-11-15 01:37:42 PM
What's cool about Nanny state laws?

It's no different than popping your kid on the ass when they act up.


/oops, forgot all you whiners on fark don't think kids should be punished
 
2007-11-15 01:40:37 PM
dlpriest: He'd probably tell you otherwise if he didn't get the shiat shocked out of him whenever he tries to complain.

I doubt that.

From a purely scientific standpoint, the density of nerves in the dermal tissue in most animals is far less extensive than on humans, and I've taken a full shock from a warning collar. It certainly was not comfortable, but even without fur, and being WET at the time, it was no worse than the 45 minutes I just spent in the dentist chair. And that was at full voltage, which they are rarely applied at. (MOst being gradual increase as you approach the barrier)
 
2007-11-15 01:40:54 PM
redcup27: What's cool about Nanny state laws?

It's no different than popping your kid on the ass when they act up.


/oops, forgot all you whiners on fark don't think kids should be punished


I don't like using them on my dog, but I'll shock the shiat out of my kids if they act up.

/kidding
//spanks the kids when they need it - which, oddly enough, isn't very often. Go figure.
///dog is very well trained with no shock devices
 
2007-11-15 01:41:35 PM
us.st11.yimg.com

I don't think this will help.
 
2007-11-15 01:42:11 PM
"Woof" = DON'T TASE ME BRO!!!
 
2007-11-15 01:43:53 PM
Meanwhile in the rest of the world people live a life free of pain and suffering.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-animal cruelty, but these people have the most twisted world perspective I've ever encountered. I'd rather they put their energy toward the slave labor used to create their clothes for example. There is a compete loss of scale going on in their heads.
 
2007-11-15 01:43:55 PM
My boxer has one and he is a mute now. Before, he was constantly getting yelled at to shut up or swatted. Now, life is much calmer and he knows when we put the collar on him, it is time to be quiet.

I tried the collar and the shock isn't that severe the first couple of times. If he gets to the higher levels, he is being dumb.
 
2007-11-15 01:45:27 PM
dlpriest

I tried it many times to make sure it wouldn't hurt. It functions by applying electricity on the neck, making the throat muscles tighten. It literally stops her from barking, it doesn't hurt her into silence.

/my "electrified" face is funny looking
 
2007-11-15 01:45:45 PM
Shadow Blasko

Hold that thought while I try to give a damn.
 
2007-11-15 01:47:10 PM
LavenderWolf

I honestly didn't care. That just popped into my head so I typed it.

It's your dog, you don't have to justify anything.
 
2007-11-15 01:47:24 PM
I have one that I used for my dogs as well. I've tased myself with it, bro. It doesn't hurt - but it is unpleasant.

They come when I call them now.
 
2007-11-15 01:47:44 PM
What a stupid article.

My girlfriend is a dog trainer and some dogs require a shock collar because they don't respond well to prongs or choke chains. While some dogs respond well to treat training (positive reinforcement) that only works if the dog has a good behavior to begin with. Any dog that has a bad behavior has to be trained with corrections, because chances are it has already been babied for far too long by its owners (who begin to treat it more like a child or relative than an animal).

Keeping a dog in check with proper electric collar training is less cruel than having the dog euthanized because it poses a threat to people and may bite someone.
 
2007-11-15 01:48:25 PM
karatekitten13: My boxer has one and he is a mute now. Before, he was constantly getting yelled at to shut up or swatted. Now, life is much calmer and he knows when we put the collar on him, it is time to be quiet.

farm3.static.flickr.com

He says RAR! *sorry, had too.. I miss our Boxer.. (was a rehab puppy, who is now happy at his permanent home)
 
2007-11-15 01:48:32 PM
LavenderWolf: I have a shock collar for my dog's barking. It doesn't hurt.

Bullshiat. You have OBVIOUSLY never tried it yourself.

When I moved in with my GF, she had this terrible beast of a dog that wouldn't stop farking barking. I also had a dog, who didn't, and still doesn't bark at ALL. After about a month, I reached the point where it was either him or me. We decided to get one of those shock collars to try to make it stop.

So it came in the mail, and I was kinda feeling bad about shocking the guy. So I tried it. I held the 3 studs up to my throat and gave out a loud "woof."

I didn't remember throwing it across the room and it wasn't until I heard the glass breaking that I realized I wasn't holding onto it anymore. Those things are NASTY.

I still put it on her dog. But that bastard was so stupid that he would just keep on barking until it shocked him into submission. Next time, he would just bark more. Thing was worthless cause the dog was stupid, not because it didn't work.
 
2007-11-15 01:50:23 PM
dlpriest: Hold that thought while I try to give a damn.

How about this then.

How many canine lives do you think are saved every year from the *appropriate* use of shock collars?

Is saving the lives of many worth some people being uncomfortable with the thought that if rover does something bad, he might get shocked?

Getting hit by a car hurts too.
 
2007-11-15 01:50:31 PM
Shadow Blasko: He says RAR! *sorry, had too.. I miss our Boxer.. (was a rehab puppy, who is now happy at his permanent home)

Awwwwww...mine is a pain in the ass (to the tune of $2500 of chewed sunglasses, shoes, cellphones and waterproof iPods) but I love the little bugger.
 
2007-11-15 01:50:31 PM
Anything that hurts a barking dog is good entertainment.
 
2007-11-15 01:50:43 PM
I have an invisible fence around my house. At first I was very concerned with my dogs getting shocked. The salesman had to do a lot of talking to convince to me that this wouldn't harm them. To my knowledge my golden retriever has only been shocked twice, and my sheppard mix just once. Now, four yeard later their collars are capped off so they wouldn't get shocked even if they got too close to the fence. They don't know that so they don't even try to leave the yard, and they know exactly how far they can travel through the yard.

It's much cheaper than a hard fence, and doesn't screw up the look of your yard. The downside is that my wife and I would really like a third dog but no rescue organizations will even consider us with this type of fence.
 
2007-11-15 01:50:58 PM
What? No BTLS reference yet?

/learn how to work
 
2007-11-15 01:51:06 PM
Any word on ball waxing?
 
2007-11-15 01:51:11 PM
Calm and assertive people. Don't you watch Cesar? Calm and assertive. Grab the dog's mouth, hold it shut, and say "QUIET" in a firm voice, not a yelling one. Throw in "SHAME" for good measure (the SH sound is harsher to the dog than a simple NO).

Screaming at the dog to stop barking is not going to achieve anything, and hitting the dog will do even less.

/we use it on all our Seeing Eye Puppies we train at college
//no barkers in the bunch
 
TLA
2007-11-15 01:51:20 PM
First, the headline says they are going to ban people from keeping shock devices as pets. I agree, shock devices belong in the wild.

Second, I tazed an elephant in my pajamas last night.
 
2007-11-15 01:51:38 PM
Training a dog not to bark is always better than just relying on an automatic collar to do it for you.

I guess I should mention in my post that I'm referring to the manually controlled electric collars, not the sound activated ones.

On a side note, I've tried both, and no, they don't hurt that bad (not any worse than those prank toys you can buy at a dollar store to shock a friend with). They tense your muscles, that's it.

Definitely less painful than a correction with a prong collar.
 
2007-11-15 01:52:58 PM
karatekitten13: Awwwwww...mine is a pain in the ass (to the tune of $2500 of chewed sunglasses, shoes, cellphones and waterproof iPods) but I love the little bugger.

He was brought to our booth at Ren Faire on the 2nd weekend. He was 3 weeks premature, and 2 of his littermates had been eaten by mom (no milk).

Two others died of parvo after the three survivors were taken to the vet. He only lived because he was afraid there would be no food in puppy heaven. I'm sure of it!

Better pic(p)
 
2007-11-15 01:53:53 PM
The Greatest American Frampton

I don't know what satanic device you had, but mine was $20 at wal-mart. Also fark you for being a presumptuous prick.
 
2007-11-15 01:55:54 PM
nuggetman: Calm and assertive people.

Being assertive worked with every dog I've had... until this one.
 
2007-11-15 01:56:41 PM
My sister has a shock collar for her dogs. It beeps as a warning before shocking, and the beep by itself is usually enough to control the dog.

It has a setting from 1-10 for how strong the shock is and she keeps it around 3. I have tried it on my arm at the 10 setting and it definitely makes the muscles jump, but it doesn't hurt.
 
2007-11-15 01:58:35 PM
Use of these collars is no different than using a hammer to beat your dog, or burning it with a stick of fire. Just because you slap a fancy label on it and pretend its a training product does not make it any less abusive.
 
2007-11-15 01:58:52 PM
Shadow Blasko: He was brought to our booth at Ren Faire on the 2nd weekend. He was 3 weeks premature, and 2 of his littermates had been eaten by mom (no milk).

I wish someone had brought a puppy to my booth at Faire last weekend!!

nuggetman: Calm and assertive people. Don't you watch Cesar? Calm and assertive. Grab the dog's mouth, hold it shut, and say "QUIET" in a firm voice, not a yelling one. Throw in "SHAME" for good measure (the SH sound is harsher to the dog than a simple NO).

Screaming at the dog to stop barking is not going to achieve anything, and hitting the dog will do even less.

/we use it on all our Seeing Eye Puppies we train at college
//no barkers in the bunch


Tried this with our dog to no avail. He is either not that smart or really really stubborn.
 
2007-11-15 02:00:02 PM
Whoopty sighting!
 
2007-11-15 02:00:15 PM
Shock collars do hurt like a mofo.

But it's easier on my hand than beating the shiat out of a dog.
 
2007-11-15 02:01:29 PM
FilmBELOH20: //spanks the kids when they need it - which, oddly enough, isn't very often. Go figure.

Spanking kids is OK as long as they don't feel like they're in physical danger from their parents. That messes up a kid's head.

Same thing for dogs, really.
 
2007-11-15 02:02:10 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: Use of these collars is no different than using a hammer to beat your dog, or burning it with a stick of fire. Just because you slap a fancy label on it and pretend its a training product does not make it any less abusive.

Please. The shock is about as severe as getting a static shock from socks on carpet. Plus, most dogs learn their lesson relatively quickly (it took my dog twice) before the behavior is corrected.
 
2007-11-15 02:03:06 PM
karatekitten13: most dogs learn their lesson relatively quickly (it took my dog twice) before the behavior is corrected

So it is ok to abuse them, if only for a short period of time? Pain is pain.
 
2007-11-15 02:03:39 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: Use of these collars is no different than using a hammer to beat your dog, or burning it with a stick of fire. Just because you slap a fancy label on it and pretend its a training product does not make it any less abusive.

I commend you on your dedication to asshattery trolling. You put in a lot of time and dedicate yourself tirelessly to making sure you make the most idiotic comments in every thread you enter.

/cheers to you
 
2007-11-15 02:03:45 PM
Shadow Blasko

I really don't care either way here.. about the collars.

What the fark are you going on about cars and the dogs that get hit by them?
Stop explaining things I don't care about.

I came in here to make a comment that popped into my head, not to get a lecture from a closet-furry emo-vampire racoon farker.

Good day sir.
 
2007-11-15 02:06:31 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: So it is ok to abuse them, if only for a short period of time? Pain is pain.

It's just a dog. It's OK to beat them frequently.

If that doesn't work, I give them to my Korean neighbors.
 
2007-11-15 02:11:15 PM
Not allowing the electric fences is ridiculous to me. You train the dogs that when they hear the beep they are supposed to stop.

It is the only way we can have dogs without having to tie them up. I am quite certain my dogs are much happier roaming free (knowing where they can and cannot go) without being tied up.

It isn't like you just put the collar on the dog in the yard and let them figure it out themselves. You teach them.

/Must say I am not sure how I feel about the barking ones tho
 
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