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(MSNBC)   Hollywood is running out of money due to falling DVD sales. They didn't even have enough to bribe this reporter to blame P2P   (blogs.moneycentral.msn.com) divider line 51
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2007-11-14 09:40:57 AM
What, people are not lining up to buy the third Special Extended Director's cut of Gigli?
 
2007-11-14 09:44:39 AM
If/when I buy a DVD, it's almost never new. Why buy a movie for 20 bucks when I can get it much cheaper used a couple days after release? I'd also be more willing to buy movies if they stop putting non-skippable advertisements at the beginning of the discs...
 
2007-11-14 09:48:04 AM
When someone does something worth $6million, they will get paid $6million.
 
2007-11-14 09:48:26 AM
I posted my comment for this right at their site.

I haven't seen enough solid clues about why DVD sales are down.

For a media reporter she should at least pay a little attention to what Hollywood is putting out lately.
 
2007-11-14 10:40:26 AM
I haven't seen enough solid clues about why DVD sales are down.

And a bit later...

I've only bought one DVD this year: "Ratatouille." Netflix and Tivo take care of the rest of my movie-watching needs.


Seems like the question has been answered.
 
2007-11-14 11:04:26 AM
"I'd also be more willing to buy movies if they stop putting non-skippable advertisements at the beginning of the discs..."

I don't often do this, but ...
THIS

A product that won't do what I want, like skip over commercials is effectively defective, no point in paying for any more like it.
 
2007-11-14 11:04:56 AM
The timing of this complaint seems suspect, being that one of the WGA's main complaints is that their writers aren't making enough on DVD residuals.

But then again, I can survive without having the 3 disc special edition of Joe Dirt.
 
2007-11-14 11:07:40 AM
Kurmudgeon: "I'd also be more willing to buy movies if they stop putting non-skippable advertisements at the beginning of the discs..."

I don't often do this, but ...
THIS

A product that won't do what I want, like skip over commercials is effectively defective, no point in paying for any more like it.


That is why I bought a Non-defective DVD player, which lets me skip anything.
 
2007-11-14 11:08:32 AM
Feature films have been 99% crap for the past couple years. Remakes, re-imaginings and the same dumbass romantic comedies.
 
2007-11-14 11:10:22 AM
I don't get buying DVDs
 
2007-11-14 11:11:13 AM
People aren't willing to buy a DVD of a movie they want because it has 2 minutes of ads at the beginning??

That is ridiculous.
 
2007-11-14 11:13:55 AM
The timing of this complaint seems suspect, being that one of the WGA's main complaints is that their writers aren't making enough on DVD residuals.

Exactly. The major news organizations are owned by the same companies that own the studios. I call BS on this report.
 
2007-11-14 11:14:34 AM
jeffery1128: Not to mention that most of us have already bought all the old movies we like on DVD, and new movies suck, i think i've only bought one DVD in the last couple years.

Good point. The recent generation of Minbari are not as great as the previous....

That said, to say that P2P isn't taking a chunk outta sales is foolish. (not that you did...)
 
2007-11-14 11:14:58 AM
Hmmm...I recall FBI warnings and copyright warnings that you can't skip, but I can't recall the last movie I watched that had unskippable previews. I may not watch as many DVDs as some seriouly lazy folks out there, but the only thing I can't skip are the FBI warnings.
 
2007-11-14 11:17:09 AM
Sorry, Hollywood, that's my roommate's fault.

He's been propping up your DVD sales for years, but has been focused on more real world problems like random bills.

/Roommate's DVD collection takes up a quarter of a wall in the living room, without the shelving units (before he got shelving units they were all stacked out there)
//I buy the video games and high end theater system components. Our living room is a fantastic entertainment world.
///The amazing part is is that it's all paid for. No credit at all used to buy any of it.
 
2007-11-14 11:20:51 AM
bigd29: Sorry, Hollywood, that's my roommate's fault.

He's been propping up your DVD sales for years, but has been focused on more real world problems like random bills.

/Roommate's DVD collection takes up a quarter of a wall in the living room, without the shelving units (before he got shelving units they were all stacked out there)
//I buy the video games and high end theater system components. Our living room is a fantastic entertainment world.
///The amazing part is is that it's all paid for. No credit at all used to buy any of it.


Unless you're living in Buckhead, you shouldn't have a roommate if you can afford to pay for all that stuff.
 
2007-11-14 11:25:52 AM
Crappy movies?

/obvious
 
2007-11-14 11:30:12 AM
Yup, I see no reason at all DVD sales have fallen. Let's see what's on the shelves today:

Some Movie from 1970 Re-made by Nicolas Cage
Sequel 3: The Prequel
Comic book: The Movie
80's Sitcom to Theater
Romantic Comedy Part ELEVENTY11!!
Dirty Dancing: The Jerry Orbach memorial re-relase

... Nope, can't seem to put my hand on it.

// Subby
// Loves me some BitTorrent
 
2007-11-14 11:32:03 AM
ihatedumbpeople: bigd29: Sorry, Hollywood, that's my roommate's fault.

He's been propping up your DVD sales for years, but has been focused on more real world problems like random bills.

/Roommate's DVD collection takes up a quarter of a wall in the living room, without the shelving units (before he got shelving units they were all stacked out there)
//I buy the video games and high end theater system components. Our living room is a fantastic entertainment world.
///The amazing part is is that it's all paid for. No credit at all used to buy any of it.

Unless you're living in Buckhead, you shouldn't have a roommate if you can afford to pay for all that stuff.


Or you have a roommate so you CAN afford to pay for all of that stuff.
 
2007-11-14 11:35:19 AM
slayer199: Crappy movies?

/obvious


That would mean portraying realistic characters in realistic situations. Can't have that. Hollywood sucks so bad that showing a movie that induces the viewer to guess whether or not it could have any sense of connection with reality is seen as "shocking".
 
2007-11-14 11:44:18 AM
I have not purchased a DVD since I got Netflix, and even started trading in my DVD's (If I wanna see this again, I'll just Netflix it).

I also haven't P2P'd anything either...
 
2007-11-14 11:48:49 AM
Maybe people are just waiting to see what format DVD's are going to wind up in, so they(pause)...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No, it's because all the movies they've released lately are shait.
 
2007-11-14 11:51:59 AM
homarjr: People aren't willing to buy a DVD of a movie they want because it has 2 minutes of ads at the beginning??

That is ridiculous.


I wouldn't say I won't buy, because most of the time you don't know if you can skip or not unless you rented the thing first. I would say it pisses me off beyond reason. It's my damn equipment, I should get a say as to how it operates. That said, like many others, I stopped buying DVDs, except for special deals (and Transformers, which I know I will watch repeatedly), once I got Netflix.
 
2007-11-14 11:58:41 AM
The movie industry is failing due to thesame reason that the Top 40 music is failing....

We are SICK and TIRED of the same old crap. Yes, "The Birds" was an awesome movie... do I want to see it remade with Angelina Jolie... NO! Do I want to listen to American Idol on the radio all day NO!

Hollywood, try this recipe for success...

Take a novel idea (not tried and true), mix in some good actors (actors is beings used in a non-sexual orientation way) not the flavor of the month, stay away from every minute there being something animated or CGI'ed and lastly, watch it before you release it. If you think it sucks, don't release it because, if you think your movie sucks, the public will too.

\\Sorry for the rant and misspellings.
\\\\Thank GAWD that AMC is playing the old Hitchcock thrillers.
\\I am NOT a 95 YO "get off my lawn" old man.
\\I am a 33 YO "get off my lawn" not-so old man.
 
2007-11-14 12:00:19 PM
Why pay for anything? Movies, applications, music etc. It's all free online.

Screw Hollywood!
 
2007-11-14 12:13:34 PM
1. A DVD costs 68 cents to make but sells for 20 bucks....yeah gouge much?

2. I can rent all the DVDs I want from Blockbuster, Netflicks or Hollywood video with their movie pass programs, why buy when you can rent it when ever you want like a library card?

3. Most movies are shiatty over blow pieces of CGI crap. They are either remakes of better movies, tv shows made into a movie, comic books heroes etc. Gone are the days of where stories had to sell the movie, now special effects and CGI is what Hollywood thinks the public wants. That and every movie that looks like it could be good ends up being a PG-13 shiat pile. Die Hard 4, was PG-13. AVP was PG-13. Its like having a PG-13 Hellraiser or Friday the 13th.

MAKE MORE R MOVIES AGAIN.

4. Stars are paid way to farking much upfront before the movie has made any money. Their salaries should be based off the profits period. Not before hand. If a movie tanks why should stars walk home with 20 million dollars for some POS. They should have to eat it along with the studios.

5. Society has less money than before, our average salary hasn't kept up with inflation and people now have more debt than ever. The 20 somethings that are Hollywood's bread and butter are saddled with the most debt of any generation ever with school loans, credit cards etc. Sorry but as the economy tanks people aren't going to buy DVDs when they need to make house/car/loan payments.

6. TV is competing with Hollywood now. TV screens have gotten bigger and home theatre set ups are almost as good as mini theatres. Which means Hollywood movies have to compete against season long story arcs. Deadwood, Sopranos, Heroes, Lost etc vs the Hollywood way of doing things and taking 3 to 6 years to get barely 8 hours of story on the screen. TV gets you 13 hours of story a year minimum....

Fix those 6 problems and maybe just maybe things will turn around.
 
2007-11-14 12:21:47 PM
"I haven't seen enough solid clues about why DVD sales are down. "

I'll take "Because new movies suck" for $2,000, Alex."
 
2007-11-14 12:23:29 PM
Many B movies, old classics, direct releases to DVD are now available from 3-10$, and most of everything that last year sold for 20$ can be found at Walmart for 5$ (or the 2-3 titles for 10-15$), I see more people buying DVDs than I ever did.

The amount of rotation of stock that I see, I don't see how they can say that sales are down. Maybe less money per unit, but to say that they are selling less doesn't seem right.

The fact is, some things are still very overpriced and barely sell (and that's why torrents get a lot of pings).

I've already spent a load of money on my collection and find it very irritating to see so many titles that I bought at 10-15$ (and more) a year or two ago going for 5$ now. (it adds up to quite a lot)

But because of all these reasons/points, I don't see the point of renting, never really did. Now that I've caught up of many of my VHS, the new stuff that is worth getting is slim. Either the direct to DVD are bought due to these being cheap and many end up being better than the Hollywood stuff, or a lot of stuff that I am looking for just isn't available on DVDs (at least where I am).

And also, with movie channels off the satellite I can check out just about anything new (in time) that I'm not sure about, and for anything that I believe will be watched more than once, I just get the DVD, and for some movies, the extras are worth getting (LOTR anyone?).
 
2007-11-14 12:25:43 PM
homarjr: People aren't willing to buy a DVD of a movie they want because it has 2 minutes of ads at the beginning??

That is ridiculous.


Well you don't have an option at this time, as you don't know which DVDs have unskippable adverts at the beginning. If they were forced to display somewhere on the box whether they have done this or not, then it would certainly factor into my decision to buy it or not.

Trailers of other movies accessible as a special feature is fine, and possibly even a good thing, but forcing you to watch them every time you is not acceptable for me. VHS was annoying, but at least you could fast forward past the 10 minutes of crap at the beginning of every one of them, with DVD they can now make it so you have no choice.
 
2007-11-14 12:30:07 PM
I think Gigli was the first shot across the bow from Hollywood dildoes who thought crap like that was good and Ben Affleck had talent. What would possess some effete dickweed to write such audience insulting crap? I'm surprised the writers of that weren't dragged out of their homes and crucified on telephone poles.
 
2007-11-14 12:32:13 PM
Its my fault, I've been renting more instead of buying. I'll stop at the store on my way home. Sorry hollywood!
 
2007-11-14 12:32:49 PM
Nestea Plunge: I think Gigli was the first shot across the bow from Hollywood dildoes who thought crap like that was good and Ben Affleck had talent. What would possess some effete dickweed to write such audience insulting crap? I'm surprised the writers of that weren't dragged out of their homes and crucified on telephone poles.

Gobble Gobble.
 
2007-11-14 12:41:38 PM
I've never seen a DVD where you couldn't skip the ads by hitting the menu button.
 
2007-11-14 12:43:54 PM
MOvies cost too much to make. Raiders of the Lost Ark cost 10 mill. The new Indy will be more than ten times that. Now I know there's inflation but come on.
 
2007-11-14 01:00:01 PM
The quality of movies you can download aren't as good as watching it right from the DVD. Also, people are more likely to have a better television than computer monitor, and a better audio setup in their living room than their computer speakers. DVD sales are down because of the convenience of Netflix and Blockbuster, and because Hollywood rarely comes out with a movie that people want to see more than once.

P2P certainly exists, but it's too easy a scapegoat for a Hollywood that isn't interested in improving itself.
 
2007-11-14 01:25:34 PM
xria: Well you don't have an option at this time, as you don't know which DVDs have unskippable adverts at the beginning. If they were forced to display somewhere on the box whether they have done this or not, then it would certainly factor into my decision to buy it or not.

But why would it factor into the decision? You bought the movie for the movie itself, and possibly also the special features. It's not too difficult to throw in a movie, hit play, then go make something to eat for 2 minutes while the ads are on. Or just watch the ads?

I might be different, but I don't get why people get so frustrated over advertising, like it's Satan's little stranglehold on society.
 
2007-11-14 01:27:02 PM
FTA: Still, DVDs are so cheap that some people I know just buy movies rather than rent them.

This is such crap. Renting a DVD at Blockbuster or Hollywood is $4.23, with tax, and varying from state to state.

If you rent 20 movies in a month through Netflix/Blockbuster Online, and you pay $18.18 (tax included) for that service, you are paying 90 cents per rental.

Comparitively, buying a new DVD will run you $14.99 to $19.99 for a new DVD and more depending on where you buy it (and even more for 3-disc and 4-disc editions).

No matter how you look at it, it is NEVER cheaper to blind-purchase a DVD instead of rent it. The reason people blind-buy movies is because they feel confident that they will enjoy it (based on directors, actors, writers, genres, etc.) enough to watch it again. Even if you factor in gas prices for driving to the video store there and back, it's still cheaper to rent if you just want to watch it once.
 
2007-11-14 01:27:36 PM
Hoboclown: P2P certainly exists, but it's too easy a scapegoat for a Hollywood that isn't interested in improving itself.

A TV-out video card and a 5.1 capable sound card is essential to anyone who watches movies via their computer.
 
2007-11-14 01:29:40 PM
It all comes down to suckage. Most new movies are awful, so I'm not buying them. Good movies I buy.
 
2007-11-14 01:30:56 PM
ignite ice: No matter how you look at it, it is NEVER cheaper to blind-purchase a DVD instead of rent it.

I think maybe people don't collect as much as they used to. I used to have a large CD collection, but have since moved it all to my computer and use MP3s instead. Maybe it's because I've gotten older and don't have the time, or maybe because music isn't as good as it used to be (or I don't keep up with my own tastes), but I don't download/buy music as much as I used to.

With movies, it could easily be the same. Having the largest collection of movies isn't as important as it once was.
 
2007-11-14 01:36:20 PM
homarjr: People aren't willing to buy a DVD of a movie they want because it has 2 minutes of ads at the beginning??

I'm not paying $20+ to watch commercials, that's what TV is for.
 
2007-11-14 01:43:57 PM
jeffery1128: Not to mention that most of us have already bought all the old movies we like on DVD, and new movies suck, i think i've only bought one DVD in the last couple years.


Exactly - the DVD rush of the last several years was built on film lovers stocking their shelves with old classics (From where I type this I can see my collection - French Connection, Young Frankenstein, Brazil are the first three films I see). So now that many film lovers have caught up, there's less to buy.


FTA: In the first half of this year, DVD sales in the U.S. dropped by 12.5%.

Down from what? the previous quarter which has Christmas in it? More sloppy unsubstantiated reporting.

Look, AMPTP, the WGA already offered to take DVD off the table in the spirit of productive negotiations and you got all pissy and left. STFU with the whining.
 
2007-11-14 02:41:09 PM
Hoboclown: The quality of movies you can download aren't as good as watching it right from the DVD. Also, people are more likely to have a better television than computer monitor, and a better audio setup in their living room than their computer speakers. DVD sales are down because of the convenience of Netflix and Blockbuster, and because Hollywood rarely comes out with a movie that people want to see more than once.

P2P certainly exists, but it's too easy a scapegoat for a Hollywood that isn't interested in improving itself.


I can stream out from my home entertainment 'puter to my LCD widescreen TV and home theater audio system.

I will agree with the part about Hollywood being void of any new ideas.
 
2007-11-14 02:43:57 PM
spleef420:
I'm not paying $20+ anything to watch commercials, that's what TIVO is for.


FTFY
 
2007-11-14 05:24:39 PM
Sorry, 2-3 minutes of unskippable commercials on every single f*cking dvd = no sale.
 
2007-11-14 06:21:58 PM
I wonder how much the fall in DVD sales is due to the fact that people are aware of the next gen media (HD-DVD v. BluRay), and don't want to buy any new media because they are anticipating eventually buying next gen media, even if they don't own a next gen player. Everyone is waiting on th sidelines for the winner of the HD format war.

I own the Xbox 360 HD-DVD player, but refuse to buy one disk until it all settles. Thanks, Netflix.
 
zz9
2007-11-14 07:01:30 PM
FTA:
The study also said that studios will suffer $1.9 billion in pretax losses on the movies released last year. That's down from a $2.2 billion profit for 2004 releases

Wrong. The $1.9billion loss was on selected movies released last year, ie the loss making ones. Many movies lose money at the box office, though many of those gradually make up the losses with DVD, TV rights etc.
But to ignore the profitable movies and try to put out the impression that the entire movie industry lost $1.9 billion is just a tool in the PR war with the WGA and an early strike against the actors union and the directors guild who's contract is up next year.
 
2007-11-14 08:20:03 PM
ehh... I will download this article when I get home
 
2007-11-15 02:01:22 AM
i stopped buying dvd's awhile ago simply because apart from a few gems i don't really watch movies very often anyways, and when i do it's usually a rental... and since we got a 52" lcd tv and with my ps3 hooked up to it there's no reason to even rent dvd's unless there's no blu-ray version... even with blu-ray i haven't bought anything, just rent (though will buy planet earth and maybe pirates and fifth element)
 
2007-11-15 08:07:12 AM
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: I can stream out from my home entertainment 'puter to my LCD widescreen TV and home theater audio system.

I will agree with the part about Hollywood being void of any new ideas.


I didn't say it was impossible to get DVD quality movies from a download, it's just less common that people would have something like that. Losing the DVD sales from those few isn't going to cause this massive drop that Hollywood is worried about.
 
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