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(McClatchy News)   Other countries want the US to give up control of the Internet Tubes it created. It's always funny when the mice vote to bell the cat   ( mcclatchydc.com) divider line
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2007-11-11 05:46:21 PM  
They can have it when they pay for it. How much do you think the Internet is worth?
 
2007-11-11 06:02:30 PM  
Instead, ending U.S. control over what's become a global network will be at the top of the agenda for many of the more than 2,000 participants expected at the United Nations Internet Governance Forum, which begins Monday.



Don't like it, don't use it. And you can always go build your own version of the 'net.
 
2007-11-11 06:29:54 PM  
Dammit. The Stargate program went all to hell when the same thing happened to it.

Will we never learn??
 
2007-11-11 07:20:32 PM  
RTFA and I still don't know what they seek to control. Each and every country has the ability to control the networks and the access by their people in their own countries. China's been doing it since inception.

Free flow of information is a dangerous thing to despots and dictators.
 
2007-11-11 07:48:12 PM  
They're too brown to be trusted.
 
2007-11-11 09:32:52 PM  
One of my favorite Aesop's Fables... :)
 
2007-11-11 09:35:04 PM  
You want our intartubes?

COME AND GET 'EM!

img225.imageshack.us
 
2007-11-11 09:35:35 PM  
"With the Internet now dominating nearly aspect of modern life..."

The what? Huh?
 
2007-11-11 09:41:18 PM  
China Next Generation Internet
Link (new window)
 
2007-11-11 09:50:46 PM  
Anybody know what it is they seek to control? Anybody... anybody...

Seriously, I feel like Stein from Ferris Beuler's Day Off.

The article wasn't specific on what it is other countries want to control, does anybody here know?
 
2007-11-11 09:58:45 PM  
Someone better tell Al Gore.
 
2007-11-11 10:03:43 PM  
I question whether it's the best thing for the US to control the root DNS servers.

The best thing is to make sure the IANA and ICANN are at arms length from the US government. Unfortunately, any member of the security council can screw with UN decisions, and I don't trust the Chinese government any more than the American government to make good decisions.
 
2007-11-11 10:11:13 PM  
Churchill2004: They can have it when they pay for it. How much do you think the Internet is worth?

I think we just found a way to pay off the national debt...
 
2007-11-11 10:16:19 PM  
A Dark Evil Omen
Switzerland, maybe?
 
2007-11-11 10:17:02 PM  
arthur_toafk: Anybody know what it is they seek to control? Anybody... anybody...

Names and addresses mostly.

What rules should be followed for allocating new top level domains (like say .xxx)? Who decides who will be in charge of selling such new top level domains?

Who decides how many IP addresses are allocated (for example) to a new ISP in Finland?

Who decides how many root nameservers there will be and where they'll be located?

The answer to all of these questions is ultimately "The US Government".

Of course, other countries could just set up their own root nameservers and start using whatever IPs they like. But the result would be domain names working in one place and not another or, worse, the same name going to different machines from different places.

This would be a disaster for the US as well as the rest of the world. So we all need to work together to agree about these governance issues.
 
2007-11-11 10:24:00 PM  
Also, from an AWESOME game:

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

Commissioner Pravin Lal
"U.N. Declaration of Rights"

((Go Go Alpha Centauri!))
 
2007-11-11 10:26:14 PM  
the un and the rest of the world can biatch and moan all they want. the bottom line is that the whole world will get their porn regardless of who owns the rights to the porn domain names. that's the beauty of the internet. only the isp has control over the information. the un can have control over whatever they want, they won't be able to control which hot babe I get my fap fap fap from.
 
2007-11-11 10:34:22 PM  
Weaver95: Don't like it, don't use it. And you can always go build your own version of the 'net.


Agreed. You just need to replace the DNS root hint files on your name servers and isolate your BGP routing table. Wha-la, you have your own private Internet.

Best part is, the technology exists for creating bridges and proxies that could link the two together that would work for many programs.

Ain't technology great?


/We dreamt it
//We designed it
///We implemented it
////We get the keys
 
2007-11-11 10:41:53 PM  
"Google has said it can't meet Brazil's demands for user information because its servers are in the United States and are subject to U.S. privacy laws"

doesnt stop the riaa from trying to do the same thing to others worldwide. pirate bay comes to mind.
 
2007-11-11 10:47:47 PM  
Weaver95: Don't like it, don't use it. And you can always go build your own version of the 'net.

Eff'in-A, Bubba.
 
2007-11-11 10:48:59 PM  
Dinjiin: Wha-la

And I thought Scott Adams was exaggerating.
 
2007-11-11 11:11:15 PM  
The funny thing about this is ICANN has always been an incredibly hands-off sort of operation. They generally don't use the huge amounts of power they have. The people who want to take the Internet away from ICANN almost certainly want to regulate it to benefit them, rather than the greater good.

/I wouldn't sell the Internet for any amount of money. It's too valuable to sell.
 
2007-11-11 11:14:29 PM  
No.
 
2007-11-11 11:25:26 PM  
only if everyone agrees to kick china off the internet first.
 
2007-11-11 11:34:47 PM  
I don't trust the Chinese government any more than the American government to make good decisions.

As fashionable as it is to poke at the US right now, you you honestly think that *China* would be a better trustee of the Internet?
 
2007-11-11 11:41:46 PM  
IIRC, the last time the UN had a meeting about this they held it in a country that censors it's internet access (Morocco). And then the "UN should control the internet" yell was coming from countries also censor internet access.

So screw them.
 
2007-11-12 12:04:17 AM  
Yes, let us allow the UN to put some illiterate African NigNog Cannibal in charge of the Intertubes, just like they did with the UN itself, and we will see how longs things work smoothly, if at all.
 
2007-11-12 12:17:16 AM  
Al Gore made the internet for you and me... he'd never sell out.
Nice try neocons!
 
2007-11-12 12:18:34 AM  
Lee451: Yes, let us allow the UN to put some illiterate African NigNog Cannibal in charge of the Intertubes, just like they did with the UN itself, and we will see how longs things work smoothly, if at all.

I bet some of your best friends are black, though.
 
2007-11-12 12:24:07 AM  
Like others have said, if they don't like it, they can set up their own root DNS servers. We can't stop them.

I know a good half of fark hates the United States, but for the most part, the US doesn't f*ck with the internet and certainly doesn't engage in the kind of censorship china or several european countries do*.


*Under the guise of 'hatespeech' or even 'fair advertising' laws.
 
2007-11-12 12:24:10 AM  
UN: Alright, US, we've decided to create a new Internet Council, transfer everything to us.
US: No.
UN: Don't make us send a strongly worded letter...
US: No.
UN: We just sent the letter!
US: The answer is still, No.
UN: Alright, we tried....can we please have the Internet?
US: If you ask again, I'm removing your access to porn.
UN: Next topic?
 
2007-11-12 12:43:24 AM  
Jubeebee: Churchill2004: They can have it when they pay for it. How much do you think the Internet is worth?

I think we just found a way to pay off the national debt...


/intrigued
//newsletter
 
2007-11-12 01:08:32 AM  
China planted millions of acres of rice.
They've done a great job growing and cultivating the fields.
But the whole world eats rice, not just China.
So China should turn their rice fields over to an international body.
Because we can't let one country have that much control.
 
2007-11-12 01:42:48 AM  
I don't want any government controlling the intertubes, least of all the US government. Stick with the ICANN charter and we're all good, mmkay? That includes creation ot porno TLDs.

Americans - keep your hands off my internets.
 
2007-11-12 01:50:43 AM  
manciasal

pirate bay comes to mind.

That didn't turn out so well for the politicians who supported it. IIRC, Pirate Bay was given back their servers shortly after the raid and given an official apology.
 
2007-11-12 01:51:11 AM  
Incredible farting cat: Americans - keep your hands off my internets.
Too bad. Since there our internets.
 
2007-11-12 01:59:24 AM  
arthur_toafk: Anybody know what it is they seek to control? Anybody... anybody...

Seriously, I feel like Stein from Ferris Beuler's Day Off.

The article wasn't specific on what it is other countries want to control, does anybody here know?


Going from memory and I'm lazy, this'll be a tad vague: ICANN is the US non-profit that handles stuff like top-level domain names and protocol numbers and whatnot. Say Scotland insists they want a new suffix (.scl) instead of being part of the .uk domain - ICANN is the authority that'll give the go-ahead and tell the DNS root name servers of the world that there is, in fact, a .scl suffix and where to send DNS lookups. That sort of stuff.

Some international parties feel, rightly or wrongly, that the impact of ICANN's decisions is out of proportion to the influence that the users have on the decisions. If the ICANN says no to the Scots, there's no appeals process, for instance.

And those who joke about "they can make their own Internet" are perhaps a little too fast. Nobody has to abide by the ICANN's rules - they're considered the final arbiter because it's useful to have one. If the top-level European ISPs decided to implement the .scl suffix on their own and for their own users, they could quite easily do so. European users would still access US websites just fine, but of course US users wouldn't be able to access the .scl domain.

Running an Internet without an ICANN-like entity isn't impossible, but it is way less manageable. Some don't think a US company working out of an office floor by Marina del Rey is the right sort of authority.
 
2007-11-12 02:05:35 AM  
www.hfstival.com

blog.dreamhost.com

supercanuk.gnn.tv

Seriously, y'all are laggin
 
2007-11-12 02:12:39 AM  
Erik_Emune: Some international parties feel, rightly or wrongly, that the impact of ICANN's decisions is out of proportion to the influence that the users have on the decisions. If the ICANN says no to the Scots, there's no appeals process, for instance.

It should be mentioned that ICANN has always been pretty reasonable about dealing with requests. Far more than most entities would be expected to be.
 
2007-11-12 02:23:53 AM  
Wait wait wait..

The U.S. controls the internet? I thought it was Comcast.
 
2007-11-12 04:31:34 AM  
Incredible farting cat: I don't want any government controlling the intertubes, least of all the US government. Stick with the ICANN charter and we're all good, mmkay? That includes creation ot porno TLDs.

Americans - keep your hands off my internets.


Wow. Just, wow. I hope my sarcasmo-meter is broken. I would prefer not to have to believe that there is a human being this stupid.
 
2007-11-12 05:08:02 AM  
.......wait.....you can control the intertubez?

What?
 
2007-11-12 05:17:28 AM  
No kidding?
Our Internet?
Talk about a delusion of grandeur.

Jesus, you'd think we had paid for and installed every bit of Internet infrastructure in the world.

As people have mentioned, all it takes is for another well funded and coordinated group to set up their own top level DNS servers and control *might* start to move their way, especially if they did a better job than we are doing.

To give you an idea, check out Public Root: (new window)
 
2007-11-12 06:52:22 AM  
so you guys are advocating the destruction of a united internet?

Great, then finland and uganda start their own internets and sell off all the names, and .coms, and .xxx, and such that previously existed in "americanet" to other people using THEIR systems.

wtf is with all the Lee451: Yes, let us allow the UN to put some illiterate African NigNog Cannibal in charge of the Intertubes, just like they did with the UN itself, and we will see how longs things work smoothly, if at all.

#1: nignog? wtf is that? god forbid some farking Neanderthal 14 year old teenager (whos advice when it comes to foreign policy is almost always "we should just bomb them") should open his goddamn mouth and once again proclaim just how great the American education system is.
2: why shouldnt the internet be an internationally regulated body? its not like individual countries can screen out what they dont want already. mayhaps some dude behind a desk in California or wherever shouldnt have the ultimate authority when it comes to regulating cyberspace realestate.
 
2007-11-12 07:25:10 AM  
Poopspasm: Someone better tell Al Gore.

Why?
 
2007-11-12 07:30:41 AM  
xaveth: Al Gore made the internet for you and me... he'd never sell out.
Nice try neocons!


This is a Republican lie invented by Mark Foley.
www.unconfirmedsources.com
Looks good in prison gard doesn't he? He left politics in in disgrace because he is a paedophile as well as being a serial liar and a closet homosexual homophobe...
 
2007-11-12 08:07:55 AM  
xaveth: Al Gore made the internet for you and me... he'd never sell out.
Nice try neocons!



Ha ha, you are so full of FAIL.

What Al Gore said was...
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."


He never said he invented the internet, he said he took the initiative in creating the internet.

Creating, not inventing.
How anyone could get inventing confused with creating is beyond me....
 
2007-11-12 08:11:02 AM  
Screw them. USA came up with it first.
 
2007-11-12 08:13:37 AM  
We cannot trust you with such power, just like in the 50s we couldn't trust you with the regulation of atomic energy.
You furriners are like children. You see our shiny grownup toys and want them, but we will not share until you become wise like us.
Or, if you wish to remain filthy heathen pigs, you can build your own damn toys.
 
2007-11-12 08:18:17 AM  
Nestea Plunge:

Screw them. USA came up with it first.

Yes, um, Mr. Plunge, the Gutenberg press on line one and they would like a word with you.
 
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