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2007-11-09 07:56:33 AM  
Is the obvious tag on vacation?
 
2007-11-09 07:59:05 AM  
Maybe it's because Harry Potter is more believable than the Bible.
 
2007-11-09 08:00:59 AM  
Harry Potter is more popular than The Beatles? Shiat, man. Lennon is now off the hook.
 
2007-11-09 08:02:27 AM  
The morality tales are much better developed in the HP books.
 
2007-11-09 08:02:45 AM  
Bible's too longwinded. Ever read Isaiah? Geez, shut up already. We get it: God's pissed and is looking for giving people a world of hurt. Yeah yeah, repent, shmepent.
 
2007-11-09 08:05:55 AM  
Have you ever tried to read the Bible like a regular book? Lord Jesus, did those old timey guys have a problem with plot development and suspension of disbelief! Right at the beginning it bogs down with a loooooong and unneccessary-to-the-plot list of who begat who. It downhill from there.

God needs a better editor.
 
2007-11-09 08:08:23 AM  
I came in here to post about the whole "begat" thing, but there was a post about it already. And that post begat this post which really doesn't have much more to offer.
 
2007-11-09 08:10:38 AM  
Well, everybody thinks the KJB is the be-all end-all and all re-translations from said KJBible are the only references. It's only one translation and compilation among many. Nobody talks like that now, so the language comes off as stilted and repetitive.
 
2007-11-09 08:11:32 AM  
Dumbledore is a Sodomite.
 
2007-11-09 08:12:08 AM  
So people like to read one work of fiction more than another... Seems like a perfectly normal thing.
 
2007-11-09 08:12:19 AM  
PinkSlinky: a loooooong and unneccessary-to-the-plot list of who begat who

It would sell much better if they gave the details about the begating...

Example: Adam begat Caine by bending Eve over the bough of the apple tree and burying his snake into her forbidden garden...
 
2007-11-09 08:12:39 AM  
On the other hand, Slate Magazine's Blogging the Bible (^) is a fun and easy read, and I reccomend it to people who want to actually know what they are talking about when they decide to get in some big religious argument.

In otherwords, just about everyone on this website.
 
2007-11-09 08:13:39 AM  
Nestea Plunge

Very true...KJB "purists" irk me (it wasn't written in English, folks). My first Bible as an adult was the New Living Translation, which is written in an oversimplified, but very readable manner.
 
2007-11-09 08:15:45 AM  
JohnnyC: So people like to read one work of fiction more than another... Seems like a perfectly normal thing.


Ugh. The people who like to scream 'The Bible is entirely a work of fiction' have obviously never seen Leviticus.

You people don't want to read the 'nonfiction' parts of that book. Trust me.
 
2007-11-09 08:21:08 AM  
ginger ninja: JohnnyC: So people like to read one work of fiction more than another... Seems like a perfectly normal thing.


Ugh. The people who like to scream 'The Bible is entirely a work of fiction' have obviously never seen Leviticus.



I've seen Leviticus. I had my high school prom there! I loved it because they served us liquor--- at our prom!!! Ah, NYC discos in the early '80s were a whole lotta fun.
 
2007-11-09 08:24:16 AM  
ginger ninja: Is the obvious tag on vacation?

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2007-11-09 08:27:48 AM  
Radioactive Ass

Thank you for the delicious giggle, if I can do anything for you, let me know.
 
2007-11-09 08:31:00 AM  
Bible is boring, because every knows Jesus did in the hall with the lead pipe.
 
2007-11-09 08:38:23 AM  
See, that's because nobody from the Bible is going to show up any time soon to tell us "Hey, you know Moses? Gay as a Sunday dress, he was."
 
2007-11-09 08:44:14 AM  
I think the headline is a bit misleading. The impression I got from the article is that they are talking about repeated cover-to-cover readings. Most people who read the bible treat it like a reference work, not a novel. I'm not surprised that more people have reread works with around 257,045 words as opposed to 774,746 words (give or take a cubit).

And are they counting any book in the Harry Potter series? Seems like it. Then I say we should treat each separate book of the bible as counting as a re-read. I'd wager more people re-read the Gospel of John than even a portion of the Harry Potter books.
 
2007-11-09 08:45:54 AM  
The Bible is supposed to be studied and meditated upon as a religious and historical document.

Not speed-read like an Oprah book club Dan Brown popcorn novel.

What part of that don't people understand? Sorry it takes a little serious investment to adequately get into the most important collection of books ever committed to paper.
 
2007-11-09 08:48:44 AM  
ichiban:

What part of that don't people understand? Sorry it takes a little serious investment to adequately get into the most important collection of books ever committed to paper.


That is a matter of opinion.
 
2007-11-09 08:49:51 AM  
They're both full of magic, good and evil, sexual tension, guess one isn't as preachy as the other though
 
2007-11-09 08:50:16 AM  
millertrey: Maybe it's because Harry Potter is more believable than the Bible.

Damn- beat me to it.
 
2007-11-09 08:51:19 AM  
Yes it is. It's my opinion, and I just stated it.

(Also it's the opinion of the majority of the human population, I think.)
 
2007-11-09 08:53:15 AM  
Right, not nearly the majority. Wrong word - but a substantial portion. Anyway, it's still a valid thought - and many nonreligious scholars consider it an extremely important historical document. Not a popcorn novel.
 
2007-11-09 08:54:09 AM  
ichiban:
(Also it's the opinion of the majority of the human population, I think.)


Argumentum ad populum. (new window)
 
2007-11-09 08:57:58 AM  
ichiban: (Also it's the opinion of the majority of the human population, I think.)

Big deal. A vast majority of people think carpet sweepers work and still shop "duty free" at the airport.
 
2007-11-09 09:01:45 AM  
PurplePimpSaber: Argumentum ad populum. (new window)

Cute.
From the same article: "Exceptions: Appeal to belief is valid only when the question is whether the belief exists."

Since I'm merely saying that a lot of people consider it to be an important document, you can't say that's not true. A lot of people do consider it to be an important document.

Understand my position before leaping to throw stones at it:

1) I'm saying The Bible is a very important historical document
2) Many other people do as well, from religious or nonreligious backgrounds
3) It's not meant to be read like a novel, but studied


I'm not saying Fred and Joe and Jerry believe is, so I just proved God exists. Stop changing the subject. Silly fundamentalists!
 
2007-11-09 09:03:50 AM  
ichiban:

Since I'm merely saying that a lot of people consider it to be an important document, you can't say that's not true. A lot of people do consider it to be an important document.
!


A lot of people consider the Illiad to be an important document, and it's not true.
 
2007-11-09 09:04:45 AM  
I bet more people used to reread Lord of the Rings.

But c'mon, would you rather read a bit of silly fantasy book where you have some likeable heroes fighting evil but otherwise acting like normal folks or a book that seems to have almost everyone doing horrible, horrible things to each other from the dawn of time, plus a bunch of often odd rules and very boring geneologies, and an omnipotent supreme deity who demands blood sacrifices for ages, then sends his son to earth (who gets tortured and murdered) after doing a bunch of nice things, then the world gets set to end in a horrible catacalysmic bloodbath after humanity has to suffer at the hands of the world's most psychopathic, evil dictator. The only bright spots are some poetry in the middle and the Christ part where he doesn't get the ultraviolence from corrupt religious dudes and an occupying fascist military.
 
2007-11-09 09:06:21 AM  
Nestea Plunge: ichiban:

the most important collection of books ever committed to paper.

That is a matter of opinion.



Name another book or collection of books that you think has shaped the modern world more than the Bible.

Educated people know the content of that book. They may not agree with it, but they realize that it is important. I know far too many atheists who like to ramble on about all the inaccuracies in the Bible but can't back up their statements. I know a handful who know what they are talking about and can stand on their own in a debate, but unfortunately they seem to be the minority.
 
2007-11-09 09:07:30 AM  
ichiban: The Bible is supposed to be studied and meditated upon ignored as a religious and historical document an outdated, irrelevant, sexist, racist piece of fiction should be.

FTFY
 
2007-11-09 09:11:46 AM  
Racist?
 
2007-11-09 09:15:05 AM  
Hmm, not a lil prejudicial there, are ya, Winterstar.
Yeah, do unto others as you'd have them do to you, don't steal, don't murder, love they neighbor as your self, that's all so outdated and irrelevent, as well as sexist and racist...
/rolleyes
//athies
///geesh
 
2007-11-09 09:23:55 AM  
ichiban: You are making the claim that because many people consider it an important work, that it is an important work, for which I called you out on your logical fallacy.

This has nothing to do with belief.
 
2007-11-09 09:25:16 AM  
Maybe because Harry Potter is an enjoyable series of books that doesn't try to enforce an outdated punishment and reward system.
 
2007-11-09 09:35:02 AM  
Radioactive Ass: It would sell much better if they gave the details about the begating...

Example: Adam begat Caine by bending Eve over the bough of the apple tree and burying his snake into her forbidden garden...


Now this is a bible that I'd be inclined to read.
 
2007-11-09 09:35:41 AM  
ginger ninja: On the other hand, Slate Magazine's Blogging the Bible (^) is a fun and easy read, and I reccomend it to people who want to actually know what they are talking about when they decide to get in some big religious argument.

In otherwords, just about everyone on this website.


Hell yeah, Ninja. I caught that series everyday when he updated. Great insights to the Bible from a layman.
 
2007-11-09 09:37:59 AM  
Mega Steve: Maybe because Harry Potter is an enjoyable series of books that doesn't try to enforce an outdated punishment and reward system.

The Golden Rule? Being a Good Samaritan? Examine the beam in your eye before chastising the splinter in your brothers? Being your brother's keeper? That being upright and responsible people is better than being selfish and despicable? Yeah those are real bad lessons.

Yeah, what, you prefer the me-first soccer mom self entitlement mindset? Great. I weep for the future.
 
2007-11-09 09:41:06 AM  
sedryn
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2007-11-09 09:41:28 AM  
I understand why; one is an elaborate work of fantasy filled with fascinating characters with elaborate overwraught names performing impossible feats with mystical powers and the other is Harry Potter.


/obvious ?
 
2007-11-09 09:44:29 AM  
All kidding aside, the Bible isn't a novel. It's not for entertainment purposes. I'll re-read the Left Behind Series before I'll re-read my Western Civ textbook.


Of course that means I'd actually have to read the Left Behind Series in the first place.
 
2007-11-09 09:48:36 AM  
ichiban: Mega Steve: Maybe because Harry Potter is an enjoyable series of books that doesn't try to enforce an outdated punishment and reward system.

The Golden Rule? Being a Good Samaritan? Examine the beam in your eye before chastising the splinter in your brothers? Being your brother's keeper? That being upright and responsible people is better than being selfish and despicable? Yeah those are real bad lessons.

Yeah, what, you prefer the me-first soccer mom self entitlement mindset? Great. I weep for the future.


Those are not exclusively Judeo-Christian morals and as such one does require the guidance of the Bible to exercise such judgment.

An argument against the supposed importance of this book, perhaps?
 
2007-11-09 09:51:01 AM  
Radioactive Ass: PinkSlinky: a loooooong and unneccessary-to-the-plot list of who begat who

It would sell much better if they gave the details about the begating...

Example: Adam begat Caine by bending Eve over the bough of the apple tree and burying his snake into her forbidden garden...


There's too much begetting going on though, people would be spent early on and there's not enough tobacco in the world for the 'ciggie after' crowd.
 
2007-11-09 09:51:24 AM  
Not to spoil the ending...but it turns out Jesus did it.
 
2007-11-09 10:05:52 AM  
PurplePimpSaber:
An argument against the supposed importance of this book, perhaps?



Hardly - it reinforces the universal truth of the historical importance. You're still trying to pin me down to proving Christianity's validity, etc etc. I'm not having that argument right now and I don't know why you started in on it. Yes, I'm Christian, but that's not the discussion I'm having.

You can't hope to actually prove that the Bible isn't currently widely regarded in the scholarly and religious communities of the world as an important historical document. My whole point - as others who actually understand it have agreed - is that it is not a cute young-adult novel but a serious text of genuine importance. To the point of the thread and the likelihood of people rereading it.
 
2007-11-09 10:18:52 AM  
As an aside...This article and the headline here at Fark have done a wonderful job of trolling - the two works of writing (the Bible and the Potter series) are completely separate and have nothing to do with one another. One's a series of novels written for pleasure reading and one's a historical document and religious text (yes, of debated validity). Completely different. The article was purely meant to bring out this knee-jerk attacks against it we're seeing. Pretty silly.
 
2007-11-09 10:23:14 AM  
ichiban:Great. I weep for the future.

Fair enough, but could you keep the sniffling to a minimum? I'm trying to read Harry Potter over here.
 
2007-11-09 10:26:16 AM  
one's a historical document

Heh. It's Friday, so I'm going to let that little comment slide on by.

Sorry, pal - both books were written for children, but the theories and beliefs presented therein somehow worked their way into the adult mind. So yes, we are talking about the same thing. WORKS OF FICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCSHUN.
 
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