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(The Register)   Symantec fails to stop SirCam   ( divider line
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1838 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Jul 2001 at 10:02 AM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2001-07-28 10:56:57 AM  
Get a Mac.
2001-07-28 10:57:36 AM  
worms that don't rely on human interaction are much cooler
2001-07-28 11:14:18 AM  
Funny, I don't seem to be having a problem with sircam. I've even tried opening the attatchment, hell I've tried running the program to see what it'll do and nothing.

Oh that's right, I run Linux, this stuff only works on that "other" OS.

Mac are cool, I just don't have $4 000 (cdn) to spend on one.
2001-07-28 11:19:48 AM  
According to McAfee, it doesn't make a difference what kind of computer (or OS) you use.
2001-07-28 11:27:46 AM  
Wouldn't a good firewall stop SirCam from sending out these emails anyway? Or am I mistaken?
2001-07-28 11:52:33 AM  
Tucci: Get a Mac.

Yes, that would help. Since so few people use Macs, virus-writers don't bother to attack it.

Good suggestion.
2001-07-28 11:53:42 AM  
Henchman: According to McAfee, it doesn't make a difference what kind of computer (or OS) you use.

Uh, can you give us a link to the page that says that?
2001-07-28 12:00:08 PM  
Whoops! Not Mcafee, but Wired:,1282,45476.00.html
This was posted on FARK recently.

A quote from the article: "The virus, which affects all e-mail programs -- not just Outlook -- is causing problems for people who practice safe computing and don't even click on the infested attachment."
2001-07-28 12:30:12 PM  
RIT had a good quick fix, just disallow attachments with the .com extension. Too bad, really, I liked being able to send old 4k and 64k intros to my friends.
2001-07-28 12:45:00 PM  
TimMAAAAH!!! Yes, that would help. Since so few people use Macs, virus-writers don't bother to attack it.Good suggestion.

Thank you. But I feel I must correct you on one point: Macs have about 14% global penetration. That's more than any other single PC manufacturer. Plus it's just a better machine. Gigaflops, Timmmmmaaaaaaahhhhh.
2001-07-28 01:00:50 PM  
Henchman: A quote from the article: "The virus, which affects all e-mail programs -- not just Outlook -- is causing problems for people who practice safe computing and don't even click on the infested attachment."

Where's the part about OS?
2001-07-28 01:01:44 PM  
2001-07-28 01:02:20 PM  
2001-07-28 01:48:30 PM  
The virus is getting past Hotmail's Macafee stuff as well.
I'm a bit disapointed, I've only received 1 copy of the virus to date. When Melissa hit, I had hundreds...Same with Loveyou...

My idiotic customers must be gettin' a wee bit smarter!

Praise Dobbs!
2001-07-28 01:49:44 PM  
huh huh, penetration... huhuh
yea, that's what it felt like to pay for my G4..
2001-07-28 03:39:09 PM  
Norton Antivirus would detect SirCam if a users tried to either open or save an infected attachment to disk.

I've seen this first hand with norton corporate, sometimes it catches it when its saved to disk and sometimes it doesn't. Same with the MAPI mail filter. Once you open it or try to scan the disk/file, it will see it.

I've also seen it go through trend micro's scanmail for MS exchange and wouldnt be surprised if most anti-virus products get confused from the mime encoding.

I have no idea why this deserves the obvious
tag though.
2001-07-28 03:46:28 PM  
Wouldn't a good firewall stop SirCam from sending out these emails anyway? Or am I mistaken

Nope, if the remote firewall is set allow email messages in (port 25) it goes straight to the mailserver. Closing that means no more mail for anyone.
2001-07-28 04:28:53 PM  
Tucci, does "14% global penetration" include all those old Macs people have thrown in landfills over the years?
2001-07-28 04:52:04 PM  
By all means, keep supporting Microshiat.
2001-07-28 05:20:14 PM  
Take your Mac vs. PC debates to Ars Technica. Thanks.
2001-07-28 06:47:52 PM  
i like mac/pc debates. they're even more entertaining than republicrat/democan debates.

of course, we all know that one platform is the obviously superior choice for all applications and situations. people who prefer the other platform are clearly insane and/or stupid, and should probably be sterilized and incarcerated, if not simply exectuted on the spot.
2001-07-28 06:57:59 PM  
Macs have been and always will be piles of SHlT. Period. PCs may not be perfect and I'm not saying they are in any way, but I would rather use a 386 than a farking G4 or that garbage disposal you call a Cube.
2001-07-28 07:03:48 PM  
Obviously the two can be combined, Meat:

Republicans use PCs running Windows because everyone else does, and they slam anyone who runs a Mac, although they've never had one.

Democrats use Macs and quietly go about getting work done and chuckle to themselves as they watch their PC-using political adversaries pull their hair out in frustration as they try to undo the damage caused by this month's latest virus.
2001-07-28 07:42:04 PM  
odd, Im running windows and i havent been infected, hrm, must be cuz Im not dumb enough to run attachments like
2001-07-28 07:50:04 PM  
SirCam won't affect Linux - it a Win32 program after all. It *could* affect other email programs under windows, but as it mainly uses the Outlook address book, other programs don't have the same risk.

A firewall like ZoneAlarm will stop it since it acts as it's own SMTP server (and ZoneAlarm filters on an application basis). Even a network firewall will stop it if you have a rule to block *outboud* SMTP connections to any server besides your normal mail server.
2001-07-28 08:53:16 PM  
The funny thing about macs is that I can find one in a thrift shop(goodwill) that is 8 or 9 years old for about 5 bucks and take it home, plug it in and it will work. If it has at least a 68030 processor, I can use it on the internet. I have tried that with several old ibm compatible computers and they never work. (386,486, pentium)
2001-07-28 09:09:04 PM  
The Mac Plus I bought in 1986 still works, including the clock battery.
Even the ones that don't work are useful .
2001-07-28 09:10:31 PM  
Oh yeah the old Mac Plus from 1986 didn't have any Y2K issues either.
2001-07-28 09:24:37 PM  
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2001-07-28 10:19:18 PM  
Oh yeah, Tucci, as I recall, hardly any machines had any damned problems. Nothing but a media hype. BTW, Win XP is great. Okay, "technically" I haven't used it yet, but I've seen it on my friends machine. He got a copy of and it works great. In his words, "Microsoft is no longer evil." I would have it up and running on my machine but I'm out in Montana visitng relatives, but I'm gonna get a burned copy of it as soon as I get back. Hang on, I think I hear the BSA at the door...
2001-07-28 10:31:02 PM  
Oh yes, Windows XP. All the critics are raving. "Almost Mac-like", they say.

If you want to see the PC of tomorrow, look at the Mac of today.
2001-07-28 11:11:07 PM  
I refuse to get embroiled in this silly Mac-versus-PC debate.

Back to SirCam: I've received about a dozen letters from SirCam, so far. Fortunately, they're easy to recognize, so they get trashed quick.
2001-07-28 11:32:16 PM  
Re: Political party lines divided on the use of computer types ... I'm sure Democrat Al Gore must have been utilizing his Mac when he created the Internet ...
2001-07-28 11:48:14 PM  
The only winning move is not to play.

"Thanks, Joshua!"
2001-07-29 12:26:47 AM  
An important message to EVERYONE who uses Outlook or Outlook Express to check their mail:

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2001-07-29 12:30:26 AM  
My apologies; Microsoft was not at fault for SirCam. My message, then, goes out to everyone who was stupid enough to open a .bat attachment.
2001-07-29 12:40:26 AM  
Henchman: It says all email programs are affected yes. But it does not say all OS's are affected.
2001-07-29 01:58:27 AM  
I don't like macs very much. Then again microsoft isn't all that great. Go Linux!! You get all the benefits of a pc without having to have windows.
2001-07-29 02:05:44 AM  
That is farking shiat, affects every email HOW THE HELL? Oh yeah all the Linux and linux deriatives execute code like windows and macs do. Those people need to grow a damn brain and go to college to learn about some computer science before posting that shiat.
2001-07-29 02:13:31 AM  
From C|NET:

Mac OS X vs. Windows 2000

CNET's decision: Mac OS X
Color us shocked, but our panel of seven judges delivered a solid victory to the revolutionary Mac OS. We couldn't overlook the Mac's legendary installation ease and its smooth hardware integration--most notably, digital video media such as cameras and video cameras, thanks to its FireWire support.
Yes, OS X harbors some serious software compatibility shortcomings. But OS X's industry-wide standards and Unix core will likely deliver the same variety of Mac apps that Windows now enjoys. In the meantime, OS X has power and compatibility where it really counts.
2001-07-29 02:45:36 AM  
Let's not forget that osX is based on unix :^)

Anyway, here are my system prefs.

for software
1) Macintosh
2) PC

for hardware
1) PC
2) Macintosh
2001-07-29 03:11:34 AM tucci will explain to us why ball peen hammers are morally superior to claw hammers.
2001-07-29 03:21:45 AM  
Bah, my 386 got on the Internet just fine. There are plenty of DOS Internet dialers and browsers out there. Using it with broadband, well, that's more tricky, but it might be workable.

P.S. Eudora Light owns you all.
2001-07-29 03:43:45 AM  
I will leave that to the hammer experts, Dude. Please elucidate.
2001-07-29 04:22:57 AM  
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Keep watching this space.
2001-07-29 05:08:26 AM  
Using it with broadband, well, that's more tricky, but it might be workable.

I can make a nic DOS boot disk in 10 seconds. Used 486's make great shell account terminals. And please spare us the "think different" propaganda. Most everything made on a mac comes from the "craptacular pixelated" school of art (PC's too for that matter) and after the Church of Satan fiasco you should know that Apple is run just like any corporation - for the bottom line. At least MS or Sun doesn't have their CEO admit to crying after making a movie on his imac.

Computers are tools, pick the one best suited for your needs and the more preaching you do the more obvious your ignorance and zealotry is.
HPZ [TotalFark]
2001-07-29 03:02:00 PM  
Amen, Skallas.

PC vs Mac vs Linux vs OS/2 vs Amiga vs Atari vs Commodore vs etc...

If you think it really matters... you're wrong.
2001-07-30 01:08:17 AM  
"On further inspection, I am wearing loafers."
2001-07-30 10:31:35 AM  
MAC's only have one mouse button, they suck man!
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