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(CNN)   New computer program can find that fine line between stupid and clever   (money.cnn.com) divider line 40
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2007-11-07 01:29:48 PM  
Can it dust for vomit?
 
2007-11-07 01:59:25 PM  
LMFAO
 
2007-11-07 02:01:26 PM  
Well, TFD was fun while it lasted...
 
2007-11-07 02:02:38 PM  
If cnnmoney had the filter installed on its servers, it would intercept the comment just before it was published and flash a little alert at the author that reads: "This comment is more or less unintelligible. Please try to restate it."

In a related story - Larry King has been fired.

/..no not really.
//my first slashies!
 
2007-11-07 02:07:23 PM  
New computer program can find that fine line between stupid and clever

So they're replacing the Fark Moderators for greenlighting articles?
 
2007-11-07 02:21:47 PM  
the trick would then be to say something entirely unintelligent, but in a way that would get through the filter.
 
2007-11-07 02:23:10 PM  
burndtdan: yep, I can see a whole new type of fark comment in the future when this filtering plug-in hits firefox. ;) Otherwise Fark may seem very very empty all of the sudden.
 
2007-11-07 02:25:52 PM  
how do i shot web?
 
2007-11-07 02:26:35 PM  
I Like Bread: how do i shot web?

How I mine fish?
 
2007-11-07 02:28:36 PM  
burndtdan: the trick would then be to say something entirely unintelligent, but in a way that would get through the filter.

So you're saying we will have to be stupid in very clever ways.
 
2007-11-07 02:30:03 PM  
I think it will be the new AI mod for UltraF+++NO CARRIER+++
 
2007-11-07 02:30:32 PM  
burndtdan: the trick would then be to say something entirely unintelligent, but in a way that would get through the filter.

From the site's FAQ:

Won't people just try to defeat the filter, the way spammers try to get around spam filtering?

We certainly hope they will -- that implies they're no longer generating text statistically likely to be stupid. It's true that an obvious attack on the StupidFilter would be to salt a short, stupid comment with a long excerpt copy-pasted from, say, Project Gutenberg, but we think it's reasonable to count on the laziness of the stupidest commenters not to do this.

Aren't you just trying to eliminate comments and discourse that you consider to be stupid?

As much as that might be nice, no. The StupidFilter does not understand, in a meaningful sense, the text that it parses, and our graders select comments that are formally stupid -- that is, their diction, not their content, marks them as stupid. It is not our intent to eliminate debate or disagreement, but rather to programmatically enforce a certain quality of expression. Put another way: The StupidFilter will cheerfully approve an eloquent, properly-capitalized defense of mandatory, state-subsidized rocket-launcher ownership for all schoolchildren.
 
2007-11-07 02:33:08 PM  
Hell, Drew could do that right now, and for free! All he has to do is remove the "Add Comment" button.
 
2007-11-07 02:34:52 PM  
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Lame
 
2007-11-07 02:39:12 PM  
I thought that SQL had a command built in to implement this...

TRUNCATE TABLE comments;
 
2007-11-07 02:44:30 PM  
haha subby must have watched Spinal Tap
 
2007-11-07 02:53:40 PM  
burndtdan: the trick would then be to say something entirely unintelligent, but in a way that would get through the filter.

We can has Caturday?

(Prays for a world where the most stupid of humans are forever silenced and unrepresented).

((Knows that if that really happened, the death toll of the educated humans would be near 98%)).

// Ponders how an email of uncompiled computer code would appear to a filter for human stupidity.
/// Knows that the day that a "Stupidity Filter" is released, that a "Grammar Nazi Filter" would follow the next day, with a "Snide Insulting Retorts Response Function" included at no charge.
 
2007-11-07 02:56:43 PM  
So, basically, an automated grammar/spelling nazi? Cool! We could use one of those around here...

/Sorry, Rotsky, you'll have to go... ;-)
 
2007-11-07 02:57:43 PM  
Ladies and Gentlemen the Great John Nash: burndtdan: the trick would then be to say something entirely unintelligent, but in a way that would get through the filter.

From the site's FAQ:

Won't people just try to defeat the filter, the way spammers try to get around spam filtering?

We certainly hope they will -- that implies they're no longer generating text statistically likely to be stupid. It's true that an obvious attack on the StupidFilter would be to salt a short, stupid comment with a long excerpt copy-pasted from, say, Project Gutenberg, but we think it's reasonable to count on the laziness of the stupidest commenters not to do this.

Aren't you just trying to eliminate comments and discourse that you consider to be stupid?

As much as that might be nice, no. The StupidFilter does not understand, in a meaningful sense, the text that it parses, and our graders select comments that are formally stupid -- that is, their diction, not their content, marks them as stupid. It is not our intent to eliminate debate or disagreement, but rather to programmatically enforce a certain quality of expression. Put another way: The StupidFilter will cheerfully approve an eloquent, properly-capitalized defense of mandatory, state-subsidized rocket-launcher ownership for all schoolchildren.



i was thinking more along the lines of saying something utterly inane using proper grammar, possibly with unnecessarily large words
 
2007-11-07 03:02:47 PM  
Good to see Royce Gracie found a new line of work.

i.l.cnn.net
 
2007-11-07 03:06:15 PM  
FTA: They are encouraging readers to visit their site, http://stupidfilter.org/main/, where you can help them rate on a scale of one to five a selection of potentially dumb posts culled from -- where else? -- YouTube.

At least they went for the mother lode of stupid.
 
2007-11-07 03:16:06 PM  
I noticed the FAQ didn't mention anything about language barriers. I don't see it much in Fark, but in a lot of forums there are people posting from all over the world who make a good attempt at intelligible English, but often come up just a little short. It seems like it would be pretty frustrating (and unfair?) for some of them if their post was continually rejected as unintelligible. Just a thought.

/LOLZ!!!11!
 
2007-11-07 03:18:11 PM  
ODDwhun: At least they went for the mother lode of stupid.

Sometimes I post comments on YouTube just to fire up the dummies and watch them go crazy. It's kind of like throwing a banana in the monkey cage.
 
2007-11-07 03:20:07 PM  
LOL THAT SO COOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!111
 
2007-11-07 03:32:52 PM  
So are they going to use it to replace the Hollywood writers?
 
2007-11-07 03:38:20 PM  
Maybe they can turn this into a virus, and upload it to SuperDeluxe...
 
2007-11-07 03:48:23 PM  
In other news, celebutants the world over see an end coming to their online blogs.
 
2007-11-07 03:50:14 PM  
Lick my love pump.

/ That is all.
 
2007-11-07 04:07:00 PM  
I swear the line runs right through Fark.
 
2007-11-07 04:21:52 PM  
127.0.0.1 freerepublic.com
127.0.0.1 littlegreenfootballs.com
 
2007-11-07 04:22:01 PM  
School children are entitled to rocket launchers to preserve their own safety. Do you want school children to be safe or unsafe? They can only be safe with rocket launchers.
 
2007-11-07 04:46:08 PM  
I am rrrepeatinggg my consonantttss ironicalllllllly!
 
2007-11-07 06:43:25 PM  
Itttssss a ssspppeecccchhh immmmppppedddddimmmmennntttt, assssshhhhollllle.
 
2007-11-07 08:02:29 PM  
I better get this in now then!

HURRR!!!!
 
2007-11-07 08:19:06 PM  
I'm really laughing now because I submitted this story on October 11. Stupid Fark did not accept it.
 
2007-11-07 08:49:18 PM  
It's a great idea, but if you could really filter stupidity, the web and society would have collapsed long ago. It may work differently, but the idea ressembles the WikiTruth project -- developing an algorithm to distinguish between stupidity and sense, the trustworthy and trolls. If it ever works we'll have robot news boxes, just like in the SF stories of, IIRC, Philip K. Dick (and possibly Bester). The news media will be unemployed--Fark with them.
 
2007-11-08 12:02:37 AM  
ballistic123
127.0.0.1 freerepublic.com
127.0.0.1 littlegreenfootballs.com


Similarly:
127.0.0.1 dailykos.com
127.0.0.1 moveon.org
 
2007-11-08 04:54:15 AM  
"Smart people are often ironic," says Ortiz, noting that irony, to a computer anyway, can sound stupid.

Well, that's just stupid.

/irony
 
2007-11-08 07:14:03 AM  
From the article - "The event came to be known as the Endless September, and true to its name, it continues to this day."

"The Endless September" sounds like a terrorist group. Or a goth band. Can't decide which.
 
2007-11-08 09:42:27 AM  
Professor_Nutbutter: "The Endless September" sounds like a terrorist group. Or a goth band. Can't decide which.

Why pick between the two options? I would gladly pay more taxes to send Goths to Gitmo.
 
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