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2007-11-07 12:57:42 PM
saint2e: I dunno, was Nylon initially created to drape over someone's face to suffocate them? Were Jeeps initially created to run down the enemy? Were Swiss Army Knives meant for hand to hand combat?

It is astounding that there can be such confusion between a tool that can be used to kill and a weapon that is designed to kill.
 
2007-11-07 01:00:46 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: saint2e: I dunno, was Nylon initially created to drape over someone's face to suffocate them? Were Jeeps initially created to run down the enemy? Were Swiss Army Knives meant for hand to hand combat?

It is astounding that there can be such confusion between a tool that can be used to kill and a weapon that is designed to kill.


I hope you don't have any knives in your house.
 
2007-11-07 01:01:05 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: saint2e: I dunno, was Nylon initially created to drape over someone's face to suffocate them? Were Jeeps initially created to run down the enemy? Were Swiss Army Knives meant for hand to hand combat?

It is astounding that there can be such confusion between a tool that can be used to kill and a weapon that is designed to kill.



I still don't get it: Are you complaining that guns aren't effective enough?

They kill quite well, thank you very much, if you do your part.
 
2007-11-07 01:02:29 PM
List of Fallacies (new window)

Whoopty, read the above article. In particular you seem to be fond of the Faulty Generalization and the Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies.

The fact that an individual owns one or more firearms has no bearing on the actions of another individual who uses a firearm in an illegal manner. The same would apply to knives, matches, clubs, bows, or any other object that could - either by intention or accident - cause harm.
 
2007-11-07 01:02:32 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: Dahnch: I've known more people who were killed by a car than by a gun. I've never been shot, but I've been in a car accident.

Sorry, but that is an absurd argument. More people have been killed by cars than by atomic bombs. Should we put an atomic bomb into every child's toy closet?


How is teaching kids that a gun is not a toy equivalent to putting a gun "into every child's toy closet"?

Yes, absurdity happens.

If the libs would put half as much effort into getting rid of the idea that sex is bad as they put into promoting the idea that guns are bad, we'd see more tits and fewer murders on TV.

Guns are neither good nor bad. They are inanimate and incapable of such moral distinctions. The moral decisions must be made by the human. If no one teaches kids to make the right decisions, they are less likely to do so.

If you favor banning guns, you will want to live somewhere other than the US. Obviously that won't prevent your kids from being shot at school.
 
2007-11-07 01:06:14 PM
perhicano: My Liver Hurts: Know who else played violent video games and listened to death-metal?

Know who else likes rollin' down the street, smoking endo and sipping on gin & juice (with his mind on his money and his money on his mind)?


Know who else is the black private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks?

Damn right.
 
2007-11-07 01:09:50 PM
Bongo Boy:

your comments are indeed precious. I get the feeling that somewhere deep in your soul you actually believe that we can legislate violence, injustice - possibly human suffering as a whole out of existence. I haven't heard idealism like that since freshman year at W&M. thanks for bringing me back to those simple days
 
2007-11-07 01:12:30 PM
i hope this doesn't mean more ribbons of memoriam and support slapped onto SUV mom-mobiles...


/lives near VT
//so sick of VT ribbons
 
2007-11-07 01:14:57 PM
You guys know that if you keep feeding the troll he's just going to come back and sue your asses for making him fat, right?
 
2007-11-07 01:15:03 PM
Hannibal Barca: Bongo Boy:

your comments are indeed precious. I get the feeling that somewhere deep in your soul you actually believe that we can legislate violence, injustice - possibly human suffering as a whole out of existence. I haven't heard idealism like that since freshman year at W&M. thanks for bringing me back to those simple days


W&M? What year?
 
2007-11-07 01:16:26 PM
where is the
Im going to go listen to Linkin Park pic?
 
2007-11-07 01:18:53 PM
This obviously happened because of all the guns they have in Finland. The time is now to overreact! It is gut to make drastic changes after one incident!
 
2007-11-07 01:21:45 PM
Dahnch: Guns are neither good nor bad. They are inanimate and incapable of such moral distinctions. The moral decisions must be made by the human. If no one teaches kids to make the right decisions, they are less likely to do so.

That is like saying a guillotine is neither good nor bad, and if we teach our children to use one properly than everything is hunky dory. Incorrect.
 
2007-11-07 01:23:05 PM
So America is to blame for a rare and isolated assault on a school across the globe? If that isn't a joke, it should be.


Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy
is a total moran. The name speaks for itself.
 
2007-11-07 01:24:02 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: That is like saying a guillotine is neither good nor bad, and if we teach our children to use one properly than everything is hunky dory. Incorrect.

You're wrong.
 
2007-11-07 01:26:24 PM
"Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.

At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy." (Titus 3:1-4)
 
2007-11-07 01:26:30 PM
meenkya: I wonder which video game / TV show they'll blame it on.

Linux.
 
2007-11-07 01:30:50 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy
Quote: That is like saying a guillotine is neither good nor bad, and if we teach our children to use one properly than everything is hunky dory. Incorrect.

Actually that argument is correct. If my child is likely to encounter a guillotine, teaching the child to properly use one to avoid being injured by it, is appropriate. However its unlikely that my kids will encounter a guillotine so I'm more likely to simply teach them to exercise care around sharp things and machinery. They are likely to encounter firearms, so I'll be teaching them to safely handle them.
 
2007-11-07 01:32:55 PM
MadAmos: Actually that argument is correct. If my child is likely to encounter a guillotine, teaching the child to properly use one to avoid being injured by it, is appropriate. However its unlikely that my kids will encounter a guillotine so I'm more likely to simply teach them to exercise care around sharp things and machinery. They are likely to encounter firearms, so I'll be teaching them to safely handle them.

In other words, children would be safer if they were not to encounter guns. Exactly.
 
2007-11-07 01:33:56 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: Dahnch: Guns are neither good nor bad. They are inanimate and incapable of such moral distinctions. The moral decisions must be made by the human. If no one teaches kids to make the right decisions, they are less likely to do so.

That is like saying a guillotine is neither good nor bad, and if we teach our children to use one properly than everything is hunky dory. Incorrect.



No it isn't. I'm teaching my 4 year old the proper way to use a guillotine, using the stray cats in the neighborhood.

After all, we can't have kids killing animals inhumanely. That leads to them being serial killers.

/His middle name is 'Robespierre'.
 
2007-11-07 01:39:42 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: MadAmos: Actually that argument is correct. If my child is likely to encounter a guillotine, teaching the child to properly use one to avoid being injured by it, is appropriate. However its unlikely that my kids will encounter a guillotine so I'm more likely to simply teach them to exercise care around sharp things and machinery. They are likely to encounter firearms, so I'll be teaching them to safely handle them.

In other words, children would be safer if they were not to encounter guns. Exactly.


And knives, and cars, and sharpened pencils, and vaginal sex, and the list goes on and on... might as well live in a bubble.
 
2007-11-07 01:40:37 PM
Or just avoid things that their primary purpose is to inflict harm.
 
2007-11-07 01:41:07 PM
rebelyell2006: And knives, and cars, and sharpened pencils, and vaginal sex, and the list goes on and on... might as well live in a bubble.

Some things can be eliminated with no negative affects. Guns are one of those things.
 
2007-11-07 01:45:54 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: MadAmos: Actually that argument is correct. If my child is likely to encounter a guillotine, teaching the child to properly use one to avoid being injured by it, is appropriate. However its unlikely that my kids will encounter a guillotine so I'm more likely to simply teach them to exercise care around sharp things and machinery. They are likely to encounter firearms, so I'll be teaching them to safely handle them.

In other words, children would be safer if they were not to encounter guns. Exactly.


You sound like you'd be a fan of "abstinence only" education, because you seem to have the same disconnect from the realities of modern society that those people do.

I don't have a child, but if I did I'd want them to know some basic things that come with being familiar with firearms. Examples include: that they should never, ever point a gun at any living thing, that even though a semi-automatic pistol might look as though it is not loaded there might still be a bullet in the chamber, and so on...
 
2007-11-07 01:46:41 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: Dahnch: Guns are neither good nor bad. They are inanimate and incapable of such moral distinctions. The moral decisions must be made by the human. If no one teaches kids to make the right decisions, they are less likely to do so.

That is like saying a guillotine is neither good nor bad, and if we teach our children to use one properly than everything is hunky dory. Incorrect.


Wow, you really are logically challenged. (new window)
 
2007-11-07 01:46:54 PM
b0ned0me: MayoBoy Nylon was originally invented to make parachutes so soldiers could kill people.
Perhaps in the universe you originally come from, but in this reality it was invented as a superior way of making fabrics in general, initially stockings and other things that had been made of silk. Making parachutes, tire cord etc. all came later.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dt35ny.html


You're right - and thanks for not being smarmy about it or anything...

So, we'll substitute martial arts. All were originally developed to kill people and can still be used for that if desired but it is up to the individual on how they use the martial arts.
 
2007-11-07 01:48:42 PM
My sympathy to the Finns. Sorry to see that one of the worst aspects of American culture has affected your country.
 
2007-11-07 01:49:08 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: MadAmos: Actually that argument is correct. If my child is likely to encounter a guillotine, teaching the child to properly use one to avoid being injured by it, is appropriate. However its unlikely that my kids will encounter a guillotine so I'm more likely to simply teach them to exercise care around sharp things and machinery. They are likely to encounter firearms, so I'll be teaching them to safely handle them.

In other words, children would be safer if they were not to encounter guns. Exactly.


And if there were, in fact, some magical way to keep children from ever coming into contact with firearms, that'd be great. However, this being the real world, the best alternative is to educate them about guns.

/yes, I know I'm feeding the troll
//if we feed him enough, will be become sated?
///or just swell up and explode?
 
2007-11-07 01:49:23 PM
Well, that's a bit weak, to be honest.

Martials arts is a "skill" not an object. You wouldn't teach your child how to "behave around" or "respect" martial artists.
 
2007-11-07 01:53:46 PM
Man On Pink Corner: It's a good thing this guy is dead, or he and czarangelus might have gotten together and discovered they have a lot in common.

I didn't even notice czar in this thread. Why even bring him up? Your man crush on him is turning into a down right obsession. Get help
 
2007-11-07 01:53:56 PM
Last time there was a shooting someone on here asked why the shooter always dies. This one is alive in a hospital! Now maybe we can ask them for sure what caused them to farking do this. I'm betting not video games after all?
 
2007-11-07 01:55:56 PM
Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: rebelyell2006: And knives, and cars, and sharpened pencils, and vaginal sex, and the list goes on and on... might as well live in a bubble.

Some things can be eliminated with no negative affects. Guns are one of those things.


So you are not opposed to the government removing the rights of the people in violation of the constitution?
 
2007-11-07 01:57:35 PM
saint2e: Well, that's a bit weak, to be honest.

Martials arts is a "skill" not an object. You wouldn't teach your child how to "behave around" or "respect" martial artists.


Then you wouldn't be a terribly good parent would you? A skill can be used for good or bad, just as an object can. If your child learns a martial art, you teach them how and when it's to be used.
 
2007-11-07 01:59:07 PM
God created Man.
Samuel Colt made them equal.
 
2007-11-07 02:00:45 PM
crunchyfist: I'm going to hell for this but...

THIS.

Is this a phenomenon similar to ITG meets IRLTG? Such and as? Some people just aren't meant to do things.
 
2007-11-07 02:01:20 PM
jordan314: Last time there was a shooting someone on here asked why the shooter always dies. This one is alive in a hospital! Now maybe we can ask them for sure what caused them to farking do this. I'm betting not video games after all?

Since incidents like these happened before video games, blaming video games would be ignorant. When I was a kid everything was blamed on Heavy Metal music. Now it's video games. I wonder what the next scapegoat will be?

I blame humans.
 
2007-11-07 02:01:25 PM
Lorelle: My sympathy to the Finns. Sorry to see that one of the worst aspects of American culture has affected your country.

What? How does Paris Hilton have anything whatsoever to do with a school shooting?

Unless you mean she was one of the people the shooter was referring to in his rant?
 
2007-11-07 02:03:38 PM
saint2e: Well, that's a bit weak, to be honest.

Martials arts is a "skill" not an object. You wouldn't teach your child how to "behave around" or "respect" martial artists.

Then you wouldn't be a terribly good parent would you? A skill can be used for good or bad, just as an object can. If your child learns a martial art, you teach them how and when it's to be used.


Yes, but we're not talking about skills, we're talking about objects. You're comparing apples and oranges.

If you'd said you were teaching your child to use a gun (a skill), then you would teach them how and when it's to be used, and if I was saying that it'd be best left for them to avoid that teaching altogether, then you'd have a point.

However, I'm not saying that.
 
2007-11-07 02:03:49 PM
"Some things can be eliminated with no negative affects. Guns are one of those things."


...the other is lutefisk
 
2007-11-07 02:12:06 PM
saint2e: saint2e: Well, that's a bit weak, to be honest.

Martials arts is a "skill" not an object. You wouldn't teach your child how to "behave around" or "respect" martial artists.

Then you wouldn't be a terribly good parent would you? A skill can be used for good or bad, just as an object can. If your child learns a martial art, you teach them how and when it's to be used.

Yes, but we're not talking about skills, we're talking about objects. You're comparing apples and oranges.

If you'd said you were teaching your child to use a gun (a skill), then you would teach them how and when it's to be used, and if I was saying that it'd be best left for them to avoid that teaching altogether, then you'd have a point.

However, I'm not saying that.


Your original point was:

As painful as it is to feed the troll, he's got a valid point. Guns were created to kill animals/people. Cars were created primarily for transportation. The fact that both have been used for sport as well, doesn't negate their original intention and the fact that they are both used as such to this day.

Now substitute martial arts for guns.
 
2007-11-07 02:14:25 PM
img77.imageshack.us


/too soon?
//ms paint rulz
 
2007-11-07 02:16:23 PM
MayoBoy: Now substitute martial arts for guns.

Sorry, not seeing a lot of children accidentally karate chopping themselves to death...
 
2007-11-07 02:23:25 PM
Dahnch: Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: rebelyell2006: And knives, and cars, and sharpened pencils, and vaginal sex, and the list goes on and on... might as well live in a bubble.

Some things can be eliminated with no negative affects. Guns are one of those things.

So you are not opposed to the government removing the rights of the people in violation of the constitution?


Keep in mind that Whoopty believes that it is a criminal's right to victimize other people unmolested. That should give you an idea about the level of rationality that fuels his claims regarding firearms.
 
2007-11-07 02:29:30 PM
Dimensio: Dahnch: Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy: rebelyell2006: And knives, and cars, and sharpened pencils, and vaginal sex, and the list goes on and on... might as well live in a bubble.

Some things can be eliminated with no negative affects. Guns are one of those things.

So you are not opposed to the government removing the rights of the people in violation of the constitution?

Keep in mind that Whoopty believes that it is a criminal's right to victimize other people unmolested. That should give you an idea about the level of rationality that fuels his claims regarding firearms.



Keep in mind that Whoopty is a troll. His sole purpose on Fark is to make outrageous statements in order to bait people.

You will note that when I reply to him in a faux-serious manner, with outrageous statements of my own (such as teaching my preschool son how to use a guillotine on neighborhood cats), he completely ignores my post.

That is how one should reply to Whoopty: Either have fun with it, or ignore it altogether.
 
2007-11-07 02:29:57 PM
Does Finland have the death penalty? Because I know If I believed I were naturally superior to all other life and were chosen to enforce natural selection, then did not die after I shot myself in the head, all of my misguided views would be reinforced and I would attempt to do it again. They need to off that sucker.
 
2007-11-07 02:32:43 PM
xtex: danielsangeo: * Yemen is second at (61 per 100); America is first at (90 per 100).

Jesus. Considering very few people I know own guns... that means some people in this country have some really big arsenals...


I didn't realize so many in the US didn't own guns.

/shoots on TV
//shoots open beer
 
2007-11-07 02:37:54 PM
dittybopper: Keep in mind that Whoopty is a troll. His sole purpose on Fark is to make outrageous statements in order to bait people.

You will note that when I reply to him in a faux-serious manner, with outrageous statements of my own (such as teaching my preschool son how to use a guillotine on neighborhood cats), he completely ignores my post.

That is how one should reply to Whoopty: Either have fun with it, or ignore it altogether.


Hence I called him Whoopty Whoo the Sexy Bongo Boy. He ignored that post but answered a later one.
 
2007-11-07 02:38:36 PM
Finland?

/not NEWS

/maybe SAD or INTERESTING


Nothing is news unless it effects the USA

/troll
 
2007-11-07 02:42:12 PM
I've come late into this thread. Is it too late to blame Lordi?
 
2007-11-07 02:46:51 PM
Causes of Death, 2004 (United States) in order of highest occurrence to lowest. (Source NCHS (new window)

Diseases of heart (heart disease);

Malignant neoplasms (cancer);

Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke);

Chronic lower respiratory diseases;

Accidents (unintentional injuries);

Diabetes mellitus;

Alzheimer's disease;

Influenza and pneumonia;

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease);

Septicemia;

Intentional self-harm (suicide);

Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis;

Essential (primary) hypertension and hypertensive renal disease (hypertension);

Parkinson's disease; and

Assault (homicide)

Accidents rate #5 on the list, and homicide (pardon the pun) dead last. From this it seems that accidental death is probably more important at first to combat than homicide. Looking at accidental death, total 112,012. There were 15.3 motor vehicle related deaths per 100,000 people, and .02 related to firearms accidents. If you add in homicide by firearm that would be 4.2 per 100,000 people.

From this data it seems apparent that the motor vehicle is far more dangerous than the firearm. A motor vehicle is more than 3 times likely to kill me by accident than a firearm is on purpose.
 
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