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(Some Guy)   Yankee broadcaster pays tribute to Joe Torre. Just kidding... he shanked him right in the back   (nydailynews.com) divider line 57
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2007-11-02 09:53:19 AM  
"See Ya!"
 
2007-11-02 10:09:03 AM  
Let's be honest, Michael Kay is a house man for the Yankee organization. An example:

-As the Yankees were making their final offer to Joe Torre, someone in-house was feeding Michael Kay the Yankee side of the story, that they sincerely wanted Torre back and were disappointed he turned down their ridiculous offer. Kay, without so much as considering the fact that the Yankees made no attempt to negotiate with Torre, went on his radio show and spit out the Yankee version as fact, blasting callers who dared question that version of events. Kay never once considered the possibility that the Yankees were flat-out lying to him, knowing full well he'd go trumpet their version on his radio show without giving it a second thought.

In semi-related news, Michael Kay is a horrible broadcaster who makes it nearly impossible to watch a Yankee game with the sound on. He's constantly attempting to question the baseball IQ of his color commentators, who have all played multiple seasons in the major leagues, by debating them on strategy and a variety of other matters, usually at odds with whatever decision Torre was making.

In conclusion, Michael Kay is a douche.
 
2007-11-02 10:17:19 AM  
YES = Yes, Executive Steinbrenner. We'll say whatever you want us to say.

Yanks_RSJ: In conclusion, Michael Kay is a douche.

This too.
 
2007-11-02 10:23:25 AM  
Lipstick City

What is that, some New York homophobic slur for LA?

/serious
 
2007-11-02 10:33:47 AM  
HulkHands: Lipstick City

What is that, some New York homophobic slur for LA?


I've never heard that expression before.

Anyone?
 
2007-11-02 10:34:11 AM  
My real question is who defaced Bob Raissman's photo in that article.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2007-11-02 10:43:14 AM  
Kay's just jealous that Torre has two things he doesn't: class, and a working knowledge of baseball.
 
2007-11-02 10:48:46 AM  
Wise_Guy: I've never heard that expression before.

Anyone?


I courageously tried Google and it came up with nothing. Maybe this 'stache guy just made it up.
 
2007-11-02 10:49:38 AM  
Michael Kay is a loyal underling for Steinbrenner. A YES man, if you will.

Also, he's one of the worst play-by-play guys in sports today (insofar as he refuses to simply call the farking game and let the color commentators break down the X's and O's), perhaps only surpassed by Jon Miller and/or Joe Buck in suckitude.

So why would anyone give a shiat what his "opinion" on anything is, especially when it's either (a) the real opinion of a semi-retarded announcer or (b) just parroting the internal memos from the Yankees front office?
 
2007-11-02 10:50:51 AM  
HulkHands: Lipstick City

What is that, some New York homophobic slur for LA?

/serious


I was wondering that too. Eh, Raissman's a tool
 
2007-11-02 10:51:07 AM  
Yanks_RSJ: In conclusion, Michael Kay is a douche.

Seriously. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he was just an announcer, but on his radio show he really comes across as an asshole. He was actually getting pissed off at his sidekick for talking on the show a couple of days ago. WTF? I know it's "your" show, but why the f*ck else did you hire someone to be on your show if you just wanted them to listen to your "brilliance" and keep their mouth shut unless they're praising you?
 
2007-11-02 11:35:17 AM  
HulkHands: Lipstick City

What is that, some New York homophobic slur for LA?


From what I figure, it's just a euphemism for Hollywood, due to it being glamorous and all.
 
2007-11-02 11:36:17 AM  
Someone give me the gist, because I ain't reading no Bob Raissman crap.
 
2007-11-02 11:48:01 AM  
www.nydailynews.com

GAAAAHHH!!
 
2007-11-02 11:59:03 AM  
he shanked him right in the back

i.a.cnn.net

/ approves
 
2007-11-02 12:11:16 PM  
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Oh Snap!
 
2007-11-02 01:15:21 PM  
That's pretty much the definition of homer pettiness - praise a guy like he's a saint while he's on the hometeam, then find reasons to claim he was a schmuck and a failure once he leaves.
 
2007-11-02 01:27:46 PM  
Wow. Just when I thought I couldn't have any less respect for Michael Kay, he does something like this. He's a horrible broadcaster with an annoying voice and a terrible catchphrase. "See Ya!' Yeah, that's original. Torre deserves better that Kay's bullshiat.

/Red Sox fan
//nothing but respect for Joe Torre
 
2007-11-02 01:33:38 PM  
Surprised he didn't say, "And Torre's been selfish ever since he negated Felix Millan's 4-for-4 by grounding into four double plays."
 
2007-11-02 01:34:40 PM  
I can't quite put my figure on why but all of this reminds me of that Michelle Shocked line: "Their lives ran in circles so small, that they thought they'd seen it all...."
 
2007-11-02 01:54:26 PM  
I am no fan of Michael Kay, but here are a few facts:

- There was nothing "ridiculous" about the offer from the Yankees. Yes it is a pay cut if he failed but a raise if he did what everyone expected from them anyway. Even at base he would be the highest paid manager in the game. Hard to call that ridiculous unless you are an embittered egomaniac. (And BTW, I wish he would have stayed, I think he is still the right mgr.)

- It is a very legitimate strategy to have managerial change, and they made it happen in a way that shouldn't have been an insult to Torre. It was Torre that went on Real Sports and whined about it.

Just my two bits.
 
2007-11-02 01:55:54 PM  
Kay is such a douche that I can't watch Danny Aiello movies anymore, since I found out that Kay is his nephew.....That's how strong the douche waves are which permeate off of Michael Kay.

/and I liked Danny Aiello. Thanks a lot, douche!
 
2007-11-02 02:00:43 PM  
Bitter, party of one, your table is ready.
 
2007-11-02 02:07:05 PM  
The luster started fading the day they traded Costanza to Tyler Chicken. BRING BACK COSTANZA!!!

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In other news:

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2007-11-02 02:09:52 PM  
The Dynamite Monkey: I am no fan of Michael Kay, but here are a few facts:

- There was nothing "ridiculous" about the offer


Bullshiat. They offered him one year guaranteed and a 33% base salary cut. There has NEVER been a situation of re-upping a manager for only one year AND cutting his salary like that. (Note also that MLB players are not allowed to have a pay cut of more than 20% from year to year.) And the incentives to win? Like he hasn't been trying to win? He made the playoffs every year since he started managing them. He was manager this year when they got to the playoffs after being 9 games under in June, and they nearly won the division after being behind by 14.5 games at one point, AND he had to throw out more starting pitchers and more rookie starting pitchers than almost any team in history, AND the Yankees were the only one of the eight 2006 playoff teams to make the playoffs in 2007....and he isn't trying hard enough, and needs a short leash, a pay cut, and only gets his old salary level if they do better in the playoffs? That's not "ridiculous"?!

-It is a very legitimate strategy to have managerial change, and they made it happen in a way that shouldn't have been an insult to Torre.

Bullshiat again. The front office lollygagged and hemmed and hawed for nearly two weeks, all to devise a plan to make them look good in the media, and to say that they technically didn't "fire" him, and that it was Torre's decision. How about they just say "Joe, Thanks for all you've done, but we're looking to go in a different direction moving forward?" Instead, they fly him down, present him with a pay cut and one-year offer that they KNOW he's going to refuse, then get their media connections to kick him after he's out the door. Once again...how should that have NOT been seen an insult to Torre?

/And once again, Kay is a douche.
 
2007-11-02 02:13:03 PM  
The Dynamite Monkey: - There was nothing "ridiculous" about the offer from the Yankees. Yes it is a pay cut if he failed but a raise if he did what everyone expected from them anyway. Even at base he would be the highest paid manager in the game. Hard to call that ridiculous unless you are an embittered egomaniac.

I believe Joe when he says it isn't about the money. It was the fact that he wasn't guaranteed at least a second year, which for him would have at least shown some good faith, and not had the specter of going through this whole thing again at the end of the season.

If it was only about the money, he would have stayed.
 
2007-11-02 02:19:19 PM  
galumph200: Instead, they fly him down, present him with a pay cut and one-year offer that they KNOW he's going to refuse

Actually, he flew down on his own. They presented their offer to him through Cashman, and he wanted to talk to them face to face.
 
2007-11-02 02:21:37 PM  
In defense of the point Kay is making (crap...I just threw up), did anyone else notice that Torre was clearly in some sort of talks with the Dodgers while Grady Little was still on the job? That's kinda slimey, no?
 
2007-11-02 02:24:44 PM  
priestrape: In defense of the point Kay is making (crap...I just threw up), did anyone else notice that Torre was clearly in some sort of talks with the Dodgers while Grady Little was still on the job? That's kinda slimey, no?

I don't know-- maybe on the Dodgers' part, but how can you blame Torre for that? It's like one of us interviewing for a job before they fired the guy you are going to replace.

/anyone else surprised to find out Little was making just $600k ?
 
2007-11-02 02:27:43 PM  
Wise_Guy: I don't know-- maybe on the Dodgers' part, but how can you blame Torre for that? It's like one of us interviewing for a job before they fired the guy you are going to replace.

I remember hearing that, in the "fraternity of managers," that sort of thing didn't happen...you wait until someone's fired before you pursue a job.

Not saying I blame Torre...I was just surprised that he, of all people, would actively pursue a job that, at the time, was held by someone he must have known pretty well
 
2007-11-02 02:31:00 PM  
priestrape: Wise_Guy: I don't know-- maybe on the Dodgers' part, but how can you blame Torre for that? It's like one of us interviewing for a job before they fired the guy you are going to replace.

I remember hearing that, in the "fraternity of managers," that sort of thing didn't happen...you wait until someone's fired before you pursue a job.

Not saying I blame Torre...I was just surprised that he, of all people, would actively pursue a job that, at the time, was held by someone he must have known pretty well


Well, Little was fired in every way but verbally. They weren't keeping the dude unless Old Tommy who lives behind the In-N-Out turned them down.
 
2007-11-02 02:31:19 PM  
priestrape: In defense of the point Kay is making (crap...I just threw up), did anyone else notice that Torre was clearly in some sort of talks with the Dodgers while Grady Little was still on the job? That's kinda slimey, no?

Well we are reaching a Douchebag Red Alert with this whole situation. There has not been one person, either involved or reporting that is not a douche, maybe Girardi, but that one can be argued either way.

Add in the whole A-Rod thing and we might have the greatest douchebag conglomeration this world has ever seen.
 
2007-11-02 02:33:36 PM  
priestrape: I remember hearing that, in the "fraternity of managers," that sort of thing didn't happen...you wait until someone's fired before you pursue a job.

It depends on what you mean by 'actively pursue.' I think it would be wrong if Torre contacted the Dodgers and inquired about the possibility of him managing there. From what I understand, the Dodgers contacted him.

I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
2007-11-02 02:35:03 PM  
Unfreakable: My real question is who defaced Bob Raissman's photo in that article.

He's gotta little Captain in him.
 
2007-11-02 02:38:05 PM  
Wise_Guy: Actually, he flew down on his own. They presented their offer to him through Cashman, and he wanted to talk to them face to face.

I loved that. It was like something Sinatra would have done.
 
2007-11-02 02:50:10 PM  
Michael Kay is ok sometimes, but his traffic girl the the hotness.

Christina Stoffo, look her up some time.
 
2007-11-02 03:07:51 PM  
You aren't going to work for Big Stein unless you're willing to kiss his ass and take his version of reality as gospel truth. That's why the Yankees have ended up with such a combo pack of douches in the booth. There's this dick Kay, and then, even worse, the braying jackass John Sterling, and the crying moron Susan "ROGER IS IN STEINBRENNER'S BAWWWWWWWWWWX" Waldman.

That would be a pathetic lineup for any MLB team in a supposedly far less "sophisticated" city than New York.
 
2007-11-02 03:09:44 PM  
Yanks_RSJ: Let's be honest, Michael Kay is a house man for the Yankee organization. An example:

-As the Yankees were making their final offer to Joe Torre, someone in-house was feeding Michael Kay the Yankee side of the story, that they sincerely wanted Torre back and were disappointed he turned down their ridiculous offer. Kay, without so much as considering the fact that the Yankees made no attempt to negotiate with Torre, went on his radio show and spit out the Yankee version as fact, blasting callers who dared question that version of events. Kay never once considered the possibility that the Yankees were flat-out lying to him, knowing full well he'd go trumpet their version on his radio show without giving it a second thought.

In semi-related news, Michael Kay is a horrible broadcaster who makes it nearly impossible to watch a Yankee game with the sound on. He's constantly attempting to question the baseball IQ of his color commentators, who have all played multiple seasons in the major leagues, by debating them on strategy and a variety of other matters, usually at odds with whatever decision Torre was making.

In conclusion, Michael Kay is a douche.


impressive. you farted all that out without one link or refferal to why we who possibly might care should belive you.
 
2007-11-02 03:23:37 PM  
galumph200: Bullshiat. They offered him one year guaranteed and a 33% base salary cut. There has NEVER been a situation of re-upping a manager for only one year AND cutting his salary like that. (Note also that MLB players are not allowed to have a pay cut of more than 20% from year to year.) And the incentives to win? Like he hasn't been trying to win? He made the playoffs every year since he started managing them. He was manager this year when they got to the playoffs after being 9 games under in June, and they nearly won the division after being behind by 14.5 games at one point, AND he had to throw out more starting pitchers and more rookie starting pitchers than almost any team in history, AND the Yankees were the only one of the eight 2006 playoff teams to make the playoffs in 2007....and he isn't trying hard enough, and needs a short leash, a pay cut, and only gets his old salary level if they do better in the playoffs? That's not "ridiculous"?!

Bullshiat back at ya. I am not saying I agree, in fact I said they should have kept Joe... but to say that the offer was ridiculous is ridiculous. And what the players union allows does't pertain to a manager's contact any more than it relates to your payroll or mine. I certainly am not paid on what I "try" to do.

galumph200: Bullshiat again. The front office lollygagged and hemmed and hawed for nearly two weeks, all to devise a plan to make them look good in the media, and to say that they technically didn't "fire" him, and that it was Torre's decision. How about they just say "Joe, Thanks for all you've done, but we're looking to go in a different direction moving forward?"

If they had done that the criticism would have been way worse, how they didn't even try to work it out with him. Managment is allowed to make changes, even stupid ones. I personally was one of the people telling "How could they fire Buck Showalter!!".

I was wrong. That change was the best possble decision. This one might be also.

galumph200: /And once again, Kay is a douche.

Not gonna argue with ya there.
 
2007-11-02 03:28:02 PM  
Wise_Guy: I believe Joe when he says it isn't about the money. It was the fact that he wasn't guaranteed at least a second year, which for him would have at least shown some good faith, and not had the specter of going through this whole thing again at the end of the season.

If it was only about the money, he would have stayed.


I know that is what he says, and maybe it is true. I think the fact that he was offered a contract at all, after the disappointing exit yet again, showed some good faith. He didn't like the contract, he was free to turn it down and take another offer, as he did. And if he needed to be given two more years to fail, why not three?

He certainly wasn't a candidate for canonization after his managerial term in St. Louis. He's a HOF manager, one of the greatest ever, but he's not perfect.

And he may be back someday.
 
2007-11-02 03:37:13 PM  
Al Yankzeera

Ok, that's just funny. And Kay is impossible to listen to or take seriously.

/ Tribe fan
// lives in NYC
 
2007-11-02 03:55:47 PM  
The Dynamite Monkey: Wise_Guy: I believe Joe when he says it isn't about the money. It was the fact that he wasn't guaranteed at least a second year, which for him would have at least shown some good faith, and not had the specter of going through this whole thing again at the end of the season.

If it was only about the money, he would have stayed.

I know that is what he says, and maybe it is true. I think the fact that he was offered a contract at all, after the disappointing exit yet again, showed some good faith. He didn't like the contract, he was free to turn it down and take another offer, as he did. And if he needed to be given two more years to fail, why not three?

He certainly wasn't a candidate for canonization after his managerial term in St. Louis. He's a HOF manager, one of the greatest ever, but he's not perfect.

And he may be back someday.


Not a big baseball fan...but did they offer Torre's replacement a multiyear or single-year deal? Because if the latter, your argument holds a lot of sway with me, but if the former, I'd disagree with you, as that would be indicative that they, inf fact, made that offer to ditch someone they didn't want back.
 
2007-11-02 03:58:14 PM  
The Dynamite Monkey: I think the fact that he was offered a contract at all, after the disappointing exit yet again, showed some good faith. He didn't like the contract, he was free to turn it down and take another offer, as he did. And if he needed to be given two more years to fail, why not three?

Oh ok... so anything less than winning the WS is failure. You're one of those guys. How long before you declare Girardi a failure? Does he get a grace period, or does he have to win one or two first before the countdown starts?

Seriously-- the playoffs are a crap shoot-- especially a 5 game set. Wang is more to blame than Torre.
 
2007-11-02 04:00:32 PM  
Carousel Beast: Not a big baseball fan...but did they offer Torre's replacement a multiyear or single-year deal?

Girardi got three years ($7.8M).
 
2007-11-02 04:00:40 PM  
jimpoz: Surprised he didn't say, "And Torre's been selfish ever since he negated Felix Millan's 4-for-4 by grounding into four double plays."

This, for the excellent 70's Mets reference.

For an encore, come up with something that works in George "The Stork" Theodore.
 
2007-11-02 04:19:13 PM  
LeatherPenguin: Yanks_RSJ: Let's be honest, Michael Kay is a house man for the Yankee organization. An example:

-As the Yankees were making their final offer to Joe Torre, someone in-house was feeding Michael Kay the Yankee side of the story, that they sincerely wanted Torre back and were disappointed he turned down their ridiculous offer. Kay, without so much as considering the fact that the Yankees made no attempt to negotiate with Torre, went on his radio show and spit out the Yankee version as fact, blasting callers who dared question that version of events. Kay never once considered the possibility that the Yankees were flat-out lying to him, knowing full well he'd go trumpet their version on his radio show without giving it a second thought.

In semi-related news, Michael Kay is a horrible broadcaster who makes it nearly impossible to watch a Yankee game with the sound on. He's constantly attempting to question the baseball IQ of his color commentators, who have all played multiple seasons in the major leagues, by debating them on strategy and a variety of other matters, usually at odds with whatever decision Torre was making.

In conclusion, Michael Kay is a douche.

impressive. you farted all that out without one link or refferal to why we who possibly might care should belive you.


WTF do you want, transcripts of the radio show? All you have to do is listen to 1050.
 
2007-11-02 05:12:25 PM  
Not to get all anecdotaley, but my friend has a cousin who works for the Arizona Diamondbacks. According to him, managers have a lot less influence than we think. Apparently the front office pretty much handles all baseball decisions. Not just trades, signings, and call-ups. I'm talking lineups, rotations, and bullpen usage. According to him, all the managers do is uphold clubhouse chemistry and follow the day to day script that the GMs give him, right down to who's pitching which inning and how long each pitcher's leash is. So really according to that, Cashman deserves the lion's share of credit/blame for the state of the Yankees (not that I think they're in a bad state.)
 
2007-11-02 05:40:32 PM  
I agree that Kay is a douchebag, but anything Bob rASSman says about the Yanks has to be taken with 100 grains of salt since even though he hates the Yanks and YES, he can't shut the fark up about them.
 
2007-11-02 05:55:41 PM  
Carousel Beast: Not a big baseball fan...but did they offer Torre's replacement a multiyear or single-year deal? Because if the latter, your argument holds a lot of sway with me, but if the former, I'd disagree with you, as that would be indicative that they, inf fact, made that offer to ditch someone they didn't want back.

Of course they made that offer to ditch someone they didn't want back! That is half my point! My other half is that it was not "insulting".
 
2007-11-02 06:03:10 PM  
Wise_Guy: Oh ok... so anything less than winning the WS is failure. You're one of those guys. How long before you declare Girardi a failure? Does he get a grace period, or does he have to win one or two first before the countdown starts?

Seriously-- the playoffs are a crap shoot-- especially a 5 game set. Wang is more to blame than Torre.


Damnit, can any of you retards read?

The Dynamite Monkey: (And BTW, I wish he would have stayed, I think he is still the right mgr.)
The Dynamite Monkey: I am not saying I agree, in fact I said they should have kept Joe...

Again: I thought they should being Joe Torre back. I do not consider his tenure a failure by any measure.

Their playoff exits in recent years, and they way they have occurred, are viewed by many as a failure, and the management, for whatever it is worth, thought they had to do something. That is the way the Yankees have operated since George bought the team. The offer to Torre was designed to say "We're doing something, we're not just going to keep business as usual..."

And other teams have outright fired managers who made the playoffs but lost. Grady Little is a recent example.

For the record -- if winning the world series is your goal, what do YOU call it when you don't win?

(Answer: The Cubs)
 
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