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2007-10-31 12:13:01 PM
I took the M79 every day for years. On a bad day you could see the grannies with walkers passing you.
 
2007-10-31 12:13:54 PM
Thats hilarious. Sometimes in Albuquerque it feels like were only going 4mph... I swear, stupid drivers.
 
2007-10-31 01:19:05 PM
Vroooooooooooooooom!
 
2007-10-31 01:21:54 PM
So what is their suggestion? Should the buses just barrel along through traffic, running over other cars and people (could increase ridership, I suppose)? Or do the 'Straphangers' just want to hear themselves biotch?
 
2007-10-31 01:22:06 PM
A few rockets strapped to the roof will fix that.
 
2007-10-31 01:22:23 PM
Crosstown buses = 9th level of hell. I took one once. Never again.
 
2007-10-31 01:24:10 PM
first time i went to manhatten we saw a fire engine running with lights and siren. we walked past it.
 
2007-10-31 01:24:24 PM
Average driving speed has to be one of the most frustrating things about living in an urban setting. I live about 9 miles from work, but it takes me a half-hour to 45 min to commute. I'm not complaining about a 45 min commute, I know that's not bad, but I'm only going 9 miles people! I grew up in a place where driving for 30 min. meant you were probably going about 30 mi. Not the case here.
 
2007-10-31 01:24:54 PM
a2pfunk: So what is their suggestion? Should the buses just barrel along through traffic, running over other cars and people (could increase ridership, I suppose)? Or do the 'Straphangers' just want to hear themselves biotch?

Here in Paris, the buses have all sorts of accomodations to make them move faster through traffic, like prioritized signaling and separated bus lanes. In fact, the boulevard near where I live is one-way for all but the buses, which have a special right-of-way that they share with taxis only.

The upshot of this is that, depending on where you're going, the bus is sometimes faster than the Métro, which is no mean feat.
 
2007-10-31 01:24:55 PM
Most of the time, there's just not a better way to get crosstown in Manhattan.
 
2007-10-31 01:27:04 PM
Cubist Robot Party: Most of the time, there's just not a better way to get crosstown in Manhattan.

Ride a bike.
 
2007-10-31 01:27:09 PM
hachijuhachi: Average driving speed has to be one of the most frustrating things about living in an urban setting. I live about 9 miles from work, but it takes me a half-hour to 45 min to commute. I'm not complaining about a 45 min commute, I know that's not bad, but I'm only going 9 miles people! I grew up in a place where driving for 30 min. meant you were probably going about 30 mi. Not the case here.

Don't go to work at rush hour. OMG simple. Well that is if you can. At my place we're not super strict on work hours, and I just leave at 6:30. Takes me 10 mins to get here. Then I take off around 3pm. Takes about 10-15 mins at most to get home.

If I leave at 9-5 it can take upto 30-40 mins to do the same trip.
 
2007-10-31 01:27:24 PM
Not an anomaly. I have always been able to walk faster than the crosstown on 23rd street, too.
 
2007-10-31 01:27:45 PM
ITS.
 
2007-10-31 01:27:53 PM
I live 3 1/2 miles to work, one morning it took the bus almost 35 minutes to drive there. I've walked home in about an hour before, it is enough to make your head explode.

/the CTA will be the death of me.
 
2007-10-31 01:28:57 PM
FTFA: "The slowest bus in New York City travels at an average speed of 4 mph at noon on a weekday - not much faster than the average speed of a person walking."

I've taken the M23 for three years. During rush hour it's much slower. Add rain, snow or wind to that, and you really will see old ladies keep a better pace.

a2pfunk I think the easiest solution would be to either increase the number of busses on the route or limit the stops to one per block. The delays are usually in people de/boarding and taking their sweet ass time while doing it.
 
2007-10-31 01:29:52 PM
The M86, on the other hand, will run you over. On the sidewalk. At 50mph, through a red light.

The M1 (and by extension the M4) suck royal ass. It once took me over an hour to get from the Met to Penn Station. That was my last time on that bus, ever.
 
2007-10-31 01:32:11 PM
3 1/2 miles to work? Get a bike.
 
2007-10-31 01:32:37 PM
snowjack: Cubist Robot Party: Most of the time, there's just not a better way to get crosstown in Manhattan.

Ride a bike.


Keep in mind that you will take your life into your hands each time you do this. The live version of Frogger isn't too much fun.
 
2007-10-31 01:32:38 PM
i.a.cnn.net
Average speed is four miles an hour!
 
2007-10-31 01:33:44 PM
jimpoz

LOL. nice.
 
2007-10-31 01:33:49 PM
tomstdenisDon't go to work at rush hour. OMG simple. Well that is if you can.

If you can being the sticking point. I'm a teacher, so I have set hours, but then again, they're 7-3. Some if it is just living in the city vs living in the country. Moving from rural NC to Boston, I drive the same *time* to get to work and the store, but everything is closer together. Public transporation can help.
 
2007-10-31 01:35:07 PM
average speed of 4 mph on it's Manhattan route, just about walking speed

Ray Garrity approves
 
2007-10-31 01:35:35 PM
Or, you can live in an area that has no real metro-wide mass transit. I live 60 miles from office with the city between me. In the last year it has grown to a two-hour commute in the afternoons. It averages 1.5 hrs in the mornings. But, it would take 30mins to drive to the airport, hop the train, ride to the northern-most station (another 30mins), then take 25 mins to drive from the station to the office. And I would have to have a second car for one point or the other.

Counting the days until my daughter graduates and I can move!
 
2007-10-31 01:36:03 PM
safari joe does it again: Keep in mind that you will take your life into your hands each time you do this. The live version of Frogger isn't too much fun.

Exactly, NYC is one of those places where I would NOT want to ride a bike (in any even remotely busy area) ever.
 
2007-10-31 01:38:27 PM
Bus lanes, bus lights, and in extreme cases bus tunnels can all help the problem.

Proof-of-payment systems could help, too. That is, you buy a ticket on the street or even on the bus, but the driver isn't counting change and inspecting passes. People can enter through any door on the bus. On occasion a gendarme strolls down the bus and busts people who can't prove they paid.

For another step up in complexity, electric buses much more able to accelerate than diesel ones. They can even do better than streetcars. San Francisco MUNI riders will attest that the drivers do put the (electric) hammer down. There is a disadvantage if they can't get around an accident, although generally-electric buses with a half-mile battery range have been developed.

There are very good ways to improve transit. However, transit got bid on by companies that would really rather you were driving (GM, Firestone, etc).
 
2007-10-31 01:38:41 PM
safari joe does it again: The delays are usually in people de/boarding and taking their sweet ass time while doing it.

If everyone would simply use the back door to get off the bus, the passengers being picked up won't have to wait for everyone to file by before getting on. Oh, and get rid of the change collector. Do you know how long it takes to shove $2 worth of nickels down that slot?
 
2007-10-31 01:38:56 PM
I used to wait for the M34 to go crosstown on occasion, until I just missed one and beat it to my destination. An average speed of 4MPH crosstown for any bus south of Central Park is giving them the benefit of the doubt.
 
2007-10-31 01:39:30 PM
bump: Ray Garrity approves

Farking awesome.

/I'm not even bitter that you beat me to it.
 
2007-10-31 01:39:46 PM
Pop quiz, hotshot ...
 
2007-10-31 01:42:12 PM
safari joe does it again:

a2pfunk I think the easiest solution would be to either increase the number of busses on the route or limit the stops to one per block. The delays are usually in people de/boarding and taking their sweet ass time while doing it.

I see. I assumed the slow pace was due to bumper to bumper traffic.
 
2007-10-31 01:42:13 PM
Dihnekis: 3 1/2 miles to work? Get a bike.

Oh, I usually ride my bike or my scooter, or even walk in nice weather, but when it is January -10F with 30mph winds, there is no way in HELL I am riding a bike.
 
2007-10-31 01:42:59 PM
Riding a bike is fine to get you to work, but in NYC you're lucky if it isn't stolen by the time you have to ride home.
 
2007-10-31 01:47:21 PM
Lawnchair: Bus lanes, bus lights, and in extreme cases bus tunnels can all help the problem.

Proof-of-payment systems could help, too. That is, you buy a ticket on the street or even on the bus, but the driver isn't counting change and inspecting passes. People can enter through any door on the bus. On occasion a gendarme strolls down the bus and busts people who can't prove they paid.

For another step up in complexity, electric buses much more able to accelerate than diesel ones. They can even do better than streetcars. San Francisco MUNI riders will attest that the drivers do put the (electric) hammer down. There is a disadvantage if they can't get around an accident, although generally-electric buses with a half-mile battery range have been developed.

There are very good ways to improve transit. However, transit got bid on by companies that would really rather you were driving (GM, Firestone, etc).


They're starting to make bus lanes, so that's a start. But I think the rest of your ideas either are already in place or aren't feasible. The driver already isn't counting change since you have to use a MetroCard to get on (AFAIK). A lot of times, the only problem with getting on/off is the sheer amount of people getting on/off, and I don't know how much you can do about that. As far as improved acceleration goes, it doesn't matter when there's a wall of Manhattan traffic in your way.

I've always viewed the bus system here as farked; it's going to suck no matter what.
 
2007-10-31 01:47:37 PM
mags4242: Riding a bike is fine to get you to work, but in NYC you're lucky if it isn't stolen by the time you have to ride home.

A Kryptonite chain takes care of that problem. They'd have a better go at it cutting the bike rack. If they want the bike that bad, they can have it.

Hint: Keep your $2500 bike in your apartment. Get a throwaway for your daily commute. Spray paint it with Rustoleum. Keep it outside.
 
2007-10-31 01:48:22 PM
Look who rides the bus. Old people and people with heavy packages. The more able-bodied walk, because Manhattan is freakin' tiny. You can walk clear across the island at 79th Street in what, 30-45 minutes? And most people are going less than halfway.

Try the bus service in a city that isn't compact and densely populated, like Atlanta or Houston. The bus comes once an hour, averages maybe 10 mph on its 10-mile route, and is used only by people too poor to buy a $1,500 used car.
 
2007-10-31 01:49:09 PM
I strongly maintain that a small, fuel-efficient motorcycle or scooter is by far the best way to get around in a big city if you must drive. Driving, parking, insurance, maintenance... all cheaper and easier.

And before any idiots chime in about it, a $30 1-piece rain suit, and some decent footwear is all you need to stay dry as a bone in foul weather.
 
2007-10-31 01:49:42 PM
safari joe does it again:
Ride a bike.

Keep in mind that you will take your life into your hands each time you do this. The live version of Frogger isn't too much fun.


You'd be suprised. Riding a bike in Manhattan or downtown Toronto isn't bad at all. Traffic is largely slow. Lots of lights to bunch traffic. Fairly frequent bike lanes and paths. And drivers who expect to see bikes, ranging from messengers to fearless old Chinese ladies on 3-speeds.

It's places like Webster Groves, Missouri or Duluth, Georgia or Eden Prairie, Minnesota where bicycling is most scary.
 
2007-10-31 01:50:03 PM
itpro.no
Not Impressed.
 
2007-10-31 01:51:15 PM
Hey, it could be worse. Here in NW Arkansas, we have the Ozark Regional Transit system which is run by the most incompetent (sp) people I have ever seen. If there's more than 1 person on a bus, it's a miracle. Plus, they tried to run a rush-hour shuttle service from Fayetteville for the 20-mile trip to Wal-Mart HQ. The one and only afternoon bus left at 5:15 p.m. (nevermind that most Wal-Martians work until 6 p.m.) so that was an utter flop. The topper is that they now have routes serving a half-dozen different cities that they claim can get you from Fayetteville to Rogers, if you do all the transfer points. The local news got on the bus at 10 a.m. in Fayetteville and at 3 p.m. they still hadn't reached their destination. That's 5 hours to not even make it 20 miles!!!!

/ORT needs to DIAF
 
2007-10-31 01:52:43 PM
the CTA sucks. It's impossible to switch lines without having to go all the way to loop and back up the line again. It takes 20-30 min to take the El to only go about 1.5 miles east of me.

and the red line smells like pee.
 
2007-10-31 01:52:55 PM
they have subways that get you close in that damn city. Why the hell are people on buses? If you're within 2 miles, walk your fat ass there. Get a skateboard even, if you want to get freaky.
 
2007-10-31 01:53:40 PM
If you're saying "Ride a bike" to New Yorkers, you're quite possibly one of the least intelligent people around, or you actually don't like your life and would like it ended by a cabbie who just got to the USA 3 days ago.
 
2007-10-31 01:54:19 PM
I say try the 91 Fwy from Anaheim to Green River Parkway on a Friday afternoon around 5 o'clock. Four miles a hour would get you ticketed for going too fast for conditions.
 
2007-10-31 01:56:51 PM
I used to take the M79 across town to the west side in the morning occassionally. On a nice day, it wasn't that bad. In the rain, everybody from East End Avenue to 3rd avenue decides they don't want to walk the 10 minutes to the friggin subway, so you wait for two lights to change while everybody gets on.

More busses, or alternating stops (York, then 2nd, then Lex... EEA, then 1st, then 3rd) would work. I think this is what the straphangers would like. Of course, it would cost more and is probably not feasible.

The able-bodied folks who are too lazy to walk three blocks to the subway are what slow it down.
 
2007-10-31 01:57:26 PM
Last time I rode (or tried to ride) the bus, the bus whizzed right by the bus stop I was standing at. It was the exact bus for that exact bus stop, and I was standing right there...couldn't have been any clearer that I had intended to get on. But he drove right on by.

When I called the transit company to complain, the woman didn't sound surprised at all. She told me to complain to the bus driver "tomorrow" and then I would get a voucher or a free pass or something. When she said that to me, she sounded like a robot, like she had said it to people 1,000 times already.

Bottom line is, in Milwaukee, bus drivers only stop if they feel like it--even when they see people waiting at the stops where they're supposed to stop.

I don't care how many environmentalist butt-twangs preach to me about the virtues of public travel. If the jackass bus driver isn't going to do his job, then I'll take my car thankyouverymuch.
 
2007-10-31 02:01:46 PM
Who takes a bus in Manhattan? From what i have seen, its mostly older people, or the mentally challenged, who really dont have to be anywhere in an urgent need anyway.


People who have to get places, take the subawy, which is still one of the best systems in the world (save for the cleanliness).


Even to get cross town, the island is only 1.5 miles across, and rarely does one have to go from 1st Ave to 11th Ave.
 
2007-10-31 02:01:49 PM
as an nyc 'Straphangers' just want to hear themselves biotch? I feel like the problem is with the slow payment process (metrocard/cash etc) and asshats double parking.
 
2007-10-31 02:02:36 PM
Its not news its a img204.imageshack.us blog
 
2007-10-31 02:03:27 PM
I live in Birmingham AL, where we don't have any public transportation. So during my commute, I go 4 mph in my very own car.

/a 350Z
 
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