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(The Sun)   Pub owner faces charges when, after nationwide smoking ban that forced his customers to smoke outside, their smoke drifted into nearby yard and destroyed "natural smell of fresh air"   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 152
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OZZ
2007-10-27 08:34:11 AM
The only problem with smoking is it just doesn't kill the digusting retarded tools who practice this anti-social habit fast enough.
 
2007-10-27 08:34:45 AM
Huh, sounds like someones saying you do what I say, not because its Harmful, but because I find it unpleasant and dont like it.

And oh BTW this means everywhere.
 
2007-10-27 08:35:55 AM
Stantz: "Smoke doesn't smell 20 metres away"
You can tell a smoker said that. I can smell a single smoker at 50 metres.



Then kindly remove your nose from my annus.

/you're doing it wrong
 
2007-10-27 08:39:35 AM
Sammy Jenkins
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I hate smoking; there's a million reasons to do so. However, being the non-smoker that I am, I find the article stupid regardless. I agree with you on going after the smokers instead of the pub owner, but more or less because these things exist and people are more often than not hopelessly addicted to them. They have a small right to the one place where harm to others is incredibly minimal.

It would make sense if the neighbors were standing right next to them for some bobdamned reason, but they weren't. The pub owner should ask the smokers to smoke perhaps somewhere else on the property away from said neighbors, but that should be it really.

The fact that you keep calling these people "drug-addicts" in such a way/tone, only screams to me that you can't help boasting your 'superiority' over them. You're being all too smug because apparently, one who doesn't smoke is a more valuable human than those who do. Claiming you're better than someone in such a stealthy way doesn't change the fact that you're still sharing one of the same mindsets as racists and sexists do.

The fact is, smoking inside is bad if around others. Smoking near someone is bad. People have a right to do what they want to their bodies though, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. More or less, judging by your very discriminatory words, I find you as more of a threat to humanity than these smokers. You show no compassion or understanding, which is more or less the only way to actually let people know they need to change something they're doing.

You're just as bad as those religious zealots who force their religion on others. GTFO troll.
 
2007-10-27 08:43:01 AM
twat_waffle: The minute I read the headline, I knew that this was from the UK.

/Give it five years
//Then this type of shiat will be in Illinois


Five years? Hell, this damn state of Illinois starts on it's "but it's good for you" march on 1/1/08

 
2007-10-27 08:44:47 AM
Oh Snap!

/but I didn't think his attitude was stealthy really.
//he's doing it all wrong
 
2007-10-27 08:47:40 AM
Smoke smell huh?

I got a pile of hair we could burn.

//Not a smoker
 
2007-10-27 08:55:43 AM
KindOfLost:People have a right to do what they want to their bodies though, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Therein lies the crux of the matter. The average smoker has lost all sense of taste, smell, and aversion to litter (when have you ever seen any smoker carry his finished cigarette to a bin if it's more than a couple of metres away?)

I'm sure the reason that developed countries all over the world are banning smoking is because the rest of us are jealous we don't smell like homeless people.
 
2007-10-27 09:00:21 AM
twat_waffle: The minute I read the headline, I knew that this was from the UK.

thatd be because the first word in the headline was 'pub' and it was in the sun?

this is insanity, this neighbour is probably just like mine - some old biatch who whinges if she sees you in your own garden, it scares me when people like that get listened to
 
2007-10-27 09:07:55 AM
FTA: "What's next? Will vegetarians be able to sue their neighbours for having barbecues because they don't like the smell of cooking flesh?"

THIS

LOCNAR69 Quote 2007-10-27 07:22:12 AM
we have this billshiat in wisconsin and it's getting to this point--in some areas it's illegal to smoke in your own vehicle--IN MADISON YOU CAN'T SMOKE OUTSIDE ON YOUR farkING PORCH--all these pussies are screaming about making every bar smoke free--simple idea--ban tobacco--oh wait--the tobacco companies give too much money to politicians--AND ALL THE MONEY GRUBBING DEMOCRATS IN MADISON WOULD NEVER LET IT HAPPEN


Seems the Democraps in Madtown did it anyway and added and extra $1.00/pack cigarette tax. They did it to SAVE the bar workers from second hand smoke. Glad I don't smoke cause I wouldn't want to buy smokes knowing that at least 80% of the cost is taxes.

Oh and that $1.00/pack cigarette tax is to pay for Children's Health Care. How friggin IRONIC can you get? You can't smoke with your kids in the car cause it is child endangerment, but you better buy a lot of smoke to pay for their health care.

This is the same state that cut funding for it's anti-smoking campaig cause it was WORKING and they were losing cigarette tax revenue as a result of it. Conflict of interest anyone?
 
2007-10-27 09:12:23 AM
I'm not a smoker, but I have to agree that the article is pretty stupid, and that Sammy Jenkins is a whiny twat.
 
2007-10-27 09:15:48 AM
Macular Degenerate

If I lived next to a bar with these retards puffing outside all night long ....

I'd say you made a poor choice in living arraignments.
 
2007-10-27 09:16:56 AM
Question: Based on this, could morning strollers out for some fresh air could sue their faster counter parts? Or SUV drivers pay a luxury tax for the right to soot up local fresh air?

/still looking for the vote box on Polar Cub's photo.
 
2007-10-27 09:19:47 AM
2 or 3 of the clubs my band has been playing the last year or so have gone out of business because of these retarded smoking laws.

I'm a non-smoker that CHOOSES to work in bars and frankly, I love not having to Fabreeze my truck out every Sunday morning to get the smell of stake smoke out of everything. My wife loves not feeling like she doesn't need to set my gig clothes on fire to get the stink out of them.

But all those people that said they would go out more often because of not having to smell smoke? Liars. They still don't go. All they have done is kill business with their self-righteousness.

Those bars are closing and that makes me and people who supply those bars lose money. Thanks for nothing assholes.
 
2007-10-27 09:20:49 AM
Tenebreux: balloot: He makes a good point with the barbecue comment. What if you decide to grill something and you have a neighbor that is "offended" by the smell of cooking meat?

The awesomely pleasing smell of burnt offerings does not cause cancer in Humans. It causes religion.


Err, actually, it does cause cancer (in addition to the religion stuff).
 
2007-10-27 09:28:27 AM
KindOfLost
Smoking near someone is bad.


Completely agree with all you said. Just wanted to point out that there is no proof that just standing in the area of a smoker has any appreciable ill affect on a person. Its not like smoke indoors, which because of no, or poor circulation becomes trapped unable to disperse, more concentrated and in that way dangerous. To have any real affect at all outdoors, you'd have to be right next to them, or standing directly in the path of the smoke....and even then what was tested was air quality, not health affects.

Pretty much if your standing 4-5 feet away, or upwind......well the air quality may not be great, but causing damage to a persons health.....standing next to a running car would probably expose you to worst conditions.


/Just sayin'
//Not that it means a whole lot.
 
2007-10-27 09:36:52 AM
The problem arises because, while it is stupid and draconian to ban all public smoking. If you do not use the law in some way non-smokers will always be inconvenienced because no pub or restaurant will voluntarily turn away business. So there are (almost) never any such thing as totally smoke free bars and restaurants without a ban.

My solution would be for a special licence for a smoking establishment. It would cost a little more than the usual bar licence because of the additional fire hazard, and you would have to certify that all the employees are also smokers so that no one is feeling that they have to work in a bad environment.

That way you would indeed have some places that opt out of smoking and some that do.

Unfortunately no one who makes laws ever have any common sense.
 
2007-10-27 09:46:05 AM
Stantz: "Smoke doesn't smell 20 metres away"

You can tell a smoker said that. I can smell a single smoker at 50 metres.


YOU FAIL!
20 meters in the UK is like 50 meters in the US.
It's called the metric system stupid.

/I kid
 
2007-10-27 09:49:18 AM
In SurfSide Beach, SC (just south of Myrtle Beach) new laws went into effect this month that not only ban smoking in bars and restaurants, but also ban smoking within 30 feet (pretty sure it's feet and not yards) of any establishment. IIRC, it's a $100 fine.
hows that for a smoking ban? can't smoke inside or outside. Because of the location of the majority of the shops on the main road there (highway 17), a smoker would have to stand in a highway in order to smoke. (of course, there's a 30 day grace period for all business owners to comply). I assume that was a kneejerk reaction to douches arguments of "I can't enter the building without having to smell it".

I feel for those businesses in SurfSide, that town was just beginning to grow and prosper. I predict many bankruptcies coming soon there. Congratulations!

/ftrecord, not a smoker
 
2007-10-27 09:49:48 AM

Said it before, and it bears repeating.

CIGARETTE SMOKE STINKS
AND IT STINKS UP
EVERYTHING
IT
COMES INTO
CONTACT
WITH
 
2007-10-27 10:00:32 AM
Just ban the damn things alreay you farking nazis
 
2007-10-27 10:06:22 AM
After reading a number of these threads, having worked at the MN Department of Health and listening to overweight people chastise me while chunks of cheeseburgers fly out of their mouths...I have decided to quit.

Apparently, smoking creates a smell that offends people.

I will now start shooting heroin since that won't offend anyone. No, scratch that. My uncle died of an OD.

I know! I'll just stuff my face every day with all sorts of candy and fried shiat until I balloon up to 400 lbs. Then I can waddle around yelling at smokers with a priggish tone in my voice between bites of my chili-dog.

Sorry for the rant. When I was working at the Health Department there was a guy there who weighed over 400 lbs. He needed a cane just to lumber about and had to sleep in some type of iron-lung device because the weight of his stomach put so much pressure on his lungs he would stop breathing.

Mel used to come out when I was on a smoke break and biatch up and down about how unhealthy it was and how I was killing myself. Never ONCE did I turn it around on him. I guess I have respect for others' choices in life whether I agree with them or not.
 
2007-10-27 10:08:40 AM
The hate is here astounding. I suppoe that smokers are the last group outside of white males that can be hated. After all, we can't hate the negro anymore, so we have to go after someone.
 
2007-10-27 10:16:06 AM
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2007-10-27 10:20:00 AM
I'm very sensitive to smoke. I hold my breath when walking by someone till I've made it far enough away. Which is a very long time to hold one's breath if the wind is going the wrong way.

Just get big plastic bubbles to pack the smokers into.
 
2007-10-27 10:20:34 AM
Letting the proprietor choose to allow smoking inside his own business is too much for some people to fathom.

/bets that half the anti-smokers here scream "nanny state" at other government interventions
 
2007-10-27 10:21:40 AM
Ed Finnerty: After reading a number of these threads, having worked at the MN Department of Health and listening to overweight people chastise me while chunks of cheeseburgers fly out of their mouths...I have decided to quit.

Apparently, smoking creates a smell that offends people.

I will now start shooting heroin since that won't offend anyone. No, scratch that. My uncle died of an OD.

I know! I'll just stuff my face every day with all sorts of candy and fried shiat until I balloon up to 400 lbs. Then I can waddle around yelling at smokers with a priggish tone in my voice between bites of my chili-dog.

Sorry for the rant. When I was working at the Health Department there was a guy there who weighed over 400 lbs. He needed a cane just to lumber about and had to sleep in some type of iron-lung device because the weight of his stomach put so much pressure on his lungs he would stop breathing.

Mel used to come out when I was on a smoke break and biatch up and down about how unhealthy it was and how I was killing myself. Never ONCE did I turn it around on him. I guess I have respect for others' choices in life whether I agree with them or not.


I just find it hilarious that people who want to go out binge drinking at a bar are so seriously concerned with their health as soon as someone lights up around them. I say leave it up to the owners.

/Restaurants I can understand.. but farking BARS?
 
2007-10-27 10:32:21 AM
Aesop_Rockets: I just find it hilarious that people who want to go out binge drinking at a bar are so seriously concerned with their health as soon as someone lights up around them. I say leave it up to the owners.

/Restaurants I can understand.. but farking BARS?


I agree. Most non-smokers are the ones who bum 8-10 cigarettes from smokers while getting drunk at a bar.

The restaurant thing (in my humble opinion) is a little different. I think it would be easy enough to segment a restaurant into a smoking and non-smoking section. Ive seen it done many times to varying degrees of success.

What gets me about the restaurant issue is this: Baker's Square (at least in Minnesota) has been completely smoke-free for years. Not because of some law, because the owners wanted to create a smoke-free restaurant. They did just fine with no laws forcing them to do this. Also, as a smoker, I always understood that I would not be able to smoke there. Not a problem.

I don't think that bars or restaurants should be forced either way by some goofy law. Where are all the "Free Market!" people?
 
2007-10-27 10:32:55 AM
The "Second-hand smoke causes cancer" line is suspect. There was ONE study that showed a correlation. There have been other studies that show that while it's not the best thing to be breathing, it's not cancer-causing. The EPA massaged that data heavily to get their numbers.

I'm so tired of being told what to be scared of, and worse yet - we all buy into it.

Being fat is harmful to your health. Eating all the refined sugar is likely more detrimental to your health than inhaling second-hand smoke. Seriously, if you're so pissy about it, are you standing there sucking in second-hand smoke? Move away, walk away. Then go jump in your car, which spews WAY more carcinogens than a cigarette does. Even your damn Prius emits more.

Make sure you turn on the TV when you get home; that way the coal-fired power plants can generate more electricity for you.

Rally the troops for your next anti-smoke rally, then you can all drive there. Make sure you get your Starbucks in your styrofoam cups, first, though.

Seriously. The US (yeah, I know this is the UK for now, but watch) can't leave people alone.

The Cult of the Child and the "We Know What's Best for You" people ... fark. Maybe worry about issues that are outstanding (more efficient tranportation, better care of ourselves), instead of pissing and moaning because of secondhand smoke.
 
2007-10-27 10:38:07 AM
whoa whoa whoa!

you're gonna offend somebody with all these fancy notions of freedom, liberty, and choice. cmon. this is a time to single out others whose choices don't match yours and try to force your will upon them. Please, won't someone think of the (insert supposed cause that trumps everyone else's rights here)
 
2007-10-27 10:47:12 AM
coldandtired

Therein lies the crux of the matter. The average smoker has lost all sense of taste, smell, and aversion to litter (when have you ever seen any smoker carry his finished cigarette to a bin if it's more than a couple of metres away?)

The first two things are just sad; taste and smell are too wonderful a thing to muddle up for a slight suspended dopamine release and a small buzz that seems to need feeding every two hours. I'm no smoker, again, so don't take any of this as fact. However, that last part is what irks me the most.

Both my brothers are smokers and can't seem to put their cig stub away. Everyone I've ever seen smoke has done the same unless the ash tray/can is within arm reach. It's hard with smoking because as far as the immediate is concerned, it's very plausible to say that "harm yourself, no one else." But if bad habits of clean-up and such are used, in the end you do end up hurting others in your accumulation of perverted degradation of the environment. Not to mention it's simply damn disrespectful.

I hate smoking, but I can never hate smokers because they're just people like the rest of us. My closest and best friends are just about all smokers really, and I love them like brothers. But I strongly encourage people to do things as respectfully as possible when it comes to this sort of thing; throw your mess away.

The worst is when people throw them out the window of a car. See it all the time.
 
2007-10-27 10:48:39 AM
If the government council over there does decide the pub owner has to disallow the smoking garden because the smell of cigarette smoke has "destroyed the smell of natural fresh air" - the former smoking garden should become the "all you can eat sausage and cabbage followed by long, meaningful discussions over beer garden". I'm sure the neighbors would much rather deal with a bit of cigarette smoke than a dozen or so folks loaded up on sausage, cabbage and beer - and the effects that combination has on the digestive system.

Since second hand smoke is regulated because of the health concerns, would it also be possible to regulate the amount of cologne/perfume someone wears? After all, that also has serious health concerns for those with allergies. I'd be safer trapped on an elevator with a chain smoker puffing away than one guy that bathed in Axe body spray - the second one tends to trigger an asthma attack for me.
 
2007-10-27 10:56:01 AM
Stantz: "Smoke doesn't smell 20 metres away"

You can tell a smoker said that. I can smell a single smoker at 50 metres.


No kidding. I can smell a smoker in the car in front of me. On the freeway, at 65mph.

I'm a former smoker, and I do agree with most of the exist smoking laws in the US (now that I don't smoke). I have major asthma attacks when I get around smoke now -- it sucks ass, but I can usually deal with it with lots of inhalers/pills, so I'm not an anti-smoking-nazi. But I would rather not be around it.

But this situation. What the hell? This is over the top, and sounds like some whiney ass neighbor who is just trying to get the pub shut down entirely.
 
2007-10-27 10:57:43 AM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: Macular Degenerate

If I lived next to a bar with these retards puffing outside all night long ....

I'd say you made a poor choice in living arraignments.


I suspect that the people bought their home before the UK government banned indoor smoking -- and forced the smokers outside.

I like how Georgia's smoking laws work: no smoking in restaurants that serve food to anyone under 21, except after 10pm. Smoking is allowed in bars. I think that's a fair compromise.
 
2007-10-27 11:13:23 AM
coldandtired
Therein lies the crux of the matter. The average smoker has lost all sense of taste, smell, and aversion to litter (when have you ever seen any smoker carry his finished cigarette to a bin if it's more than a couple of metres away?)

img165.imageshack.us
 
2007-10-27 11:15:24 AM
xtex

I'd be all about compromise, but the anti-smoking Nazis won't allow it.

Like it or not, tobacco is legal. It will always be legal. There's too much money in it to be illegal.. but I'm all about compromise, and that means:
1.) No smoking in restaurants because smoke + food = not good
2.) No smoking in bars, unless it's a winter month..

I don't mind smoking outdoors if it's 80 degrees out, but when it's freezing, snowing, etc.. come on!

If it were up to me, I would leave it up to the owners, since, I dunno, IT'S A PRIVATE FARKING ESTABLISHMENT!

What if I had a business and I said, "no [insert race here] allowed".. it's the same thing. Even though it's a bad thing to do, the owner should be the one deciding.

/going for a smoke
 
2007-10-27 11:23:00 AM
AntiNorm: And severely restrict the choices of those who wish to go out but who do not want to breathe that crap? No thanks.

Please tell me why your choice is more important than the bar owner's choice when it concerns activities occuring on the bar owner's property.

Nobody forces you to enter a bar that allows smoking. You can excercise your choice and avoid it entirely and nobody would try to take that choice from you, but the bar owner cannot excercise his choice as self-important busybody dipshiats like yourself think it's your god given right to make decisions for everyone else.
 
2007-10-27 11:23:09 AM
I think most people here would agree that if your neighbor is playing loud music or the restaurant next door decides to vent their kitchen over your back yard, you have a right to complain.

So if you can't go out in your back garden without being bothered by the smoke from a pub then shouldn't you also have a right to complain.

I was in Scotland last year. The smoking patios attached to the pubs are perpetually enveloped in a blue haze. There's not just a bit of smoke, there's clouds of it.
 
2007-10-27 11:23:16 AM
Sammy Jenkins [TotalFark]
Why not just go after the inconsiderate drug addicts who are the ones really causing the problem?


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2007-10-27 11:26:14 AM
Malbar: Please tell me why your choice is more important than the bar owner's choice when it concerns activities occuring on the bar owner's property.

It's a public health issue. If you are in a business that's open to and employs the public, you have to follow certain rules, like fire regulations, building codes and health regulations.
 
2007-10-27 11:28:18 AM
whatshisname
So if you can't go out in your back garden without being bothered by the smoke from a pub then shouldn't you also have a right to complain.

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2007-10-27 11:31:52 AM
BadGurl404: If the government council over there does decide the pub owner has to disallow the smoking garden because the smell of cigarette smoke has "destroyed the smell of natural fresh air" - the former smoking garden should become the "all you can eat sausage and cabbage followed by long, meaningful discussions over beer garden". I'm sure the neighbors would much rather deal with a bit of cigarette smoke than a dozen or so folks loaded up on sausage, cabbage and beer - and the effects that combination has on the digestive system.

Since second hand smoke is regulated because of the health concerns, would it also be possible to regulate the amount of cologne/perfume someone wears? After all, that also has serious health concerns for those with allergies. I'd be safer trapped on an elevator with a chain smoker puffing away than one guy that bathed in Axe body spray - the second one tends to trigger an asthma attack for me.


Well stated!

For those that use the false-argument that smokers have no sense of smell or taste:

When is the last time you've worked in a professional kitchen? Most cooks/chefs smoke like chimneys yet can tell the difference between slightly overcooked and slightly undercooked.

If you disagree with this, check out a few episodes of "Hell's Kitchen".

I was a cook for seven years. If anything impeded one's taste it was the unlimited tap beer and coke (after a service...not during or before).

A few times I had to visit the person who sent back a steak because they said it wasn't "Medium-Well". Guess what? They weren't svelte and didn't smoke. I brought examples of each type of steak cooked to a specific wellness. They always asked if they got fresh fries with the new steak.

I'll go a little further.

The past ten years I have done Desktop Support work (IT) which involves going to people's cubes, folding tables or whatever to fix their hardware/software problems.

I have gagged while trying to be considerate towards the occupant over the following smells: rotten food still sitting on their desk, a coffee cup that has a half-inch of old coffe crusted on the cup, men and women who bathe in the cheapest and most disgusting perfume/cologne imaginable (worse than bug-spray), the smell of rotten ass (they ask me if I'd like to sit down on their chair...I declined), greasy non-washed hair smell and dandruff all over the farking place (i.e. chair, desk, keyboard, mouse and monitor) and worst of all...dirty crotch smell. This is true f both men and women. Men's is more uriney while women's is more sweaty and ripe.

Before anyone biatches about the smell of smoke, take a farking shower and then use a paper-towel tube to sniff your ass/crotch. I've always been amazed at how many indignant non-smokers smell like true ass...not cigarettes.
 
2007-10-27 11:31:57 AM
stirfrybry: Just ban the damn things alreay you farking nazis

Won't happen. There's too much tax revenue for the states and the feds to collect, not to mention the Social Security savings redistributions from all the smokers generous enough to die before they collect too much. Instead, they'll keep creating stupid restrictions around smoking while tacitly allowing it to continue.
 
2007-10-27 11:34:56 AM
Polar Bear Cub: Oh the children, call 911

If my neighbor did that for several hours every evening, I'd have a word with him.
 
2007-10-27 11:37:30 AM
biglot: Said it before, and it bears repeating.

CIGARETTE SMOKE STINKS
AND IT STINKS UP
EVERYTHING
IT
COMES INTO
CONTACT
WITH


well thats enough reason to outlaw it for me. Smell. I'll be looking for looks to outlaw soon. Then touch.
 
2007-10-27 11:37:54 AM
Sammy Jenkins: Yeah, cancer...what an INCONVENIENCE.

You've got cancer? Quick, somebody call a
www.encyclopediadramatica.com
 
2007-10-27 11:39:01 AM
fark smokers.

but, we should really be upset at the tobacco companies?

come on? anyone?
 
2007-10-27 11:41:13 AM
whatshisname:
It's a public health issue...

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2007-10-27 11:42:35 AM
whatshisname:
If my neighbor did that for several hours every evening, I'd have a word with him.

Of course you would :)
 
2007-10-27 11:45:35 AM
SpacePunk:

The hate is here astounding. I suppoe that smokers are the last group outside of white males that can be hated.

You don't get into many religion threads, do you?
 
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