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(CNN)   Someone cut the lines on 13 Marine parachutes, forcing jumpers to use reserve chutes   (cnn.com) divider line 94
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2002-10-02 08:42:43 AM  
O.Thehumanity:

Listen up shiatbird, those that live and work with a rifle do it so YOU don't have to. Crap on the military all you want, but make no mistake... Without the protection afforded by my, and YOUR country's "fleshy drones" you pitiful little life would be a hell of a lot more brutish, and SHORT.
 
2002-10-02 08:49:10 AM  
When I was in the 82 Airborne before every jump we would sit around and take turns scaring the shiat out of the new guys with stories of complete malfunctioins and Parachute Riggers gone crazy.

Sick thing about it is, most of the stories were true, so you ended up thinking about it when you were hooked up and waiting to go out the door.

Steelwinder-

if a guy is DETERMINED, he can put in a malfunction that can't be found during JMPI.

People are saying they wouldn't want to be the guy who did this once he is caught, I wouldn't want to be his boss who signed off on the chutes once packed. They are supposed to be inspected during packing as well. His supervisor will most likely be sharing a cell with this guy in the Marine Corps Disciplinary Barracks in Camp Lejeune.
 
2002-10-02 08:52:36 AM  
*shakes fist* Damn you Saddam Hussein! You've won this round, but you haven't seen the last of me!
 
Mot
2002-10-02 08:53:35 AM  
CID = above teh mistar law man boss.... easily
 
2002-10-02 08:53:52 AM  
FOR SALE
13 Marine parachutes Used once never opened.
 
2002-10-02 09:03:33 AM  
My understanding is that records are kept as to who packed which parachute. They should be able to catch the rat basturd.
 
2002-10-02 09:18:10 AM  
Fart_Box:
True, if the guy is determined he can hide it. This is why I prefer to pack my own chute. I jumped and had a "line over" malfunction once (someone else packed it). Only malfunction I have ever had, riding the reserve sucked.

BeerBaron:
I doubt that the guy who did this was the rigger who packed these rigs. That is too easy to track. If this guy had the brains to cause this type of undetectable malfunction, I would assume he had the brains to cover his tracks.
 
2002-10-02 09:25:32 AM  
Records are kept of who packed the chutes. Riggers, being the odd group that they are, are known to have nicknames for themselves which they use on that little booklet they attach to the risers. Back on Bragg, I knew this guy who signed his cards, "Death"...Nice
 
2002-10-02 09:32:38 AM  
"Marine investigators and agents from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service are looking for a possible saboteur."

No, really? A possible saboteur? You mean the lines didn't cut themselves? Damn there goes my theory of rope osmosis at the most inopportune time.
 
2002-10-02 09:43:50 AM  
Just throwing this out there as a possibility: Could this have been the work of an over-zealous instructor?
 
2002-10-02 09:50:07 AM  
When were you with the 82D Airplane Gang, Fart-Box? I was there 99-01. O.TheHumanity......you and those like you are no consideration to those of us who served in uniform. Enjoy your life, son.
 
2002-10-02 09:52:31 AM  
I just read most of the article out of the Marine Times and it said that parachutes can be packed up to 6 months in advance of a jump. Also it said that most Marines who jump are not qualified to rig but most riggers are qualified to jump and can be given any parachute at anytime to use. One former Recon Marine said there were several different ways and places to cut the lines where the jumpmaster would never see it on his inspection. There is no way in hell this is a prank. As a current Marine who works on helicopters and who has rigged parachutes there is no way someone would play like this. This sounds like a disgruntled shiatbag who got rejected from jump school. I have never jumped, but I do not see how it can compare to SPI rigging, especially over Hawaii's beaches.
 
2002-10-02 09:53:16 AM  
Mr. Hanky-

2/319 AFAR from '94-'97

Mullethead-

Heard tales of someone pulling the rigger log, and seeing names like: U. R. Fuked, and Mickey Mouse.

That is why I never looked.
 
2002-10-02 09:53:56 AM  
Lord_Humungous,
No.
 
2002-10-02 09:56:56 AM  
O.TheHumanity is a schmuck. No doubt about it. While there are individual memebers of the military who I consider to be less than desirable people, that opinion in no way extends to the military as a whole. Personally, I'm glad you boys are out there. I'm pretty sure if I did what you guys do, I'd be shiatting myself the entire time, right up until the moment I caught a bullet in the head because I'm to scared to duck. So, thanks.

On the other hand, please keep the "Where would you be without us protecting you" holier-than-thou bit to a minimum. THose of us who understand that point don't need to hear it, and morons like O.Thehumanity will never understand, anyway. I do, however, like the mental image of O.TheHumanity trapped in a compund in Ivory Coast, and the troopers leaving him there becasue he's an asshat.
 
2002-10-02 10:03:38 AM  
This guy needs to be pitched out of a perfectly good airplane, followed by his sabotaged parachutes. If he can manage to snag one that works...
 
2002-10-02 10:07:40 AM  
I remember a convesation I had with my brother this summer, while packing his skydiving rig. When he was on active duty (75th Inf 2nd Btn) he couldn't imagine packing his own chute. Now (as a reservist with an Airborne LRS unit) he really feels uncomfortable jumping a chute he hasn't packed himself. And this story isn't going to help that POV.
 
2002-10-02 10:10:03 AM  
1/7th SFG(A)...87-92
 
2002-10-02 10:14:08 AM  
They should have given it a little more thought before outsourcing to Al-Qeda R Us.
 
2002-10-02 10:18:39 AM  
Mullet-

Were you in Op. Just Cause?
 
2002-10-02 10:32:51 AM  
O.Thehumanity:

"Hmmmmmmm let me see........... Would the world be better off with or without 13 buzzcuted testosterone monkeys?

Personally I think yes, anyways theyre outdated now, just fleshy drones anyway"


Just keep believing in that stereotype... that's all the help we need from you.
 
2002-10-02 10:43:26 AM  
Ok, time for a unit and time in service check for any Farkers currently or previously in the Military.
 
2002-10-02 10:49:03 AM  
Fart_Box,
'93-'97 1/3 in Hi. '00-'04 HMLA 775 Det 'A' in Pa.
 
2002-10-02 10:58:36 AM  
...Yes I was ...op con to Aco 3/75th...Man am I old
 
2002-10-02 11:09:53 AM  
Open letter to all members of the armed services....Thank you for all you do.

Last night I was able to tuck my little girl into bed, read her a story and turn off the light. I know that while I do this, somewhere there are people in submarines in the coldest oceans and there are people sweating it out in training exercises, and there are men and women that are in imminent danger in order to protect our way of life.

Thank you for the protection you are providing to my family. It has not gone without notice.
 
2002-10-02 11:30:21 AM  
Ring3577,
Thank you.
 
2002-10-02 11:33:22 AM  
Mullet-

You ARE old, you O.D. Green Fatigues wearer.
 
2002-10-02 11:37:48 AM  
I don't hate the military. Frankly I'm glad someone is doing a job I wouldn't do for any ammount of pay. But please, spare me the rightous bullshiat. My father was a pilot of 3 tours in vietnam, he recieved a total of 57 air medals. (those of you in the military will know what that means) However the only thing he ever got back from the army was a terrible addiction to alcohol that eventually led to his suicide this past february. Oh and a nice little plackard in Arlington Cemetary. I do appreciate what you do, but don't tell me why it makes you better or stronger than me.
 
2002-10-02 11:49:21 AM  
I had a reserve ride a few months ago. It was fun! Interesting experience, though, opening your main and not having it work right.

Civilian parachutes must be packed no more than 120 days before use according to FAA regs. It may be different for military parachutes.
 
2002-10-02 12:03:24 PM  
No one said anything about being better or stronger you.

It isn't that, it not being self-righteous, either. More a little pride knowing inside what it's cost us. If you think it's bragging, that's your watch.

Your dad is unique, but he isn't a special case or one of a kind circumstance. No one said anything about not ending up drunk, stoned, or crazy, or all of the above, either. Or needing to spend $900 a month for the anti-depressants and the anti-psychotics to stay functional enough to hold down a mailroom job. We just ain't sharing it with you. So when you see one of us staggering out of a VFW or legion hall, just turn your head and piss off.
 
2002-10-02 12:18:51 PM  
Vespizzari-

Unfortunately, a lot of honroable men who served their country with distinction have been treated by their country in similar fashion.

I can only speak for myself, but I joined the Army for me.

I didn't do it so everyone would bend over and kiss my ass.

I also don't get upset when people say disrespectful things about people in the military.

I swore to defend the freedom of all Americans against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

We all have a First Ammendment right to express our views, no matter how offensive they may be.

Just remember, that those people who some of you want to demonize, stand ready to give their lives so you can have the freedom to call them monsters.
 
2002-10-02 01:07:06 PM  
....107's were the best
 
2002-10-02 01:11:28 PM  
HA HA

SPLAT!
 
2002-10-02 01:22:50 PM  
MCSF Bn FAST Co 87-88
NWS Concord 84-87
OOh Rah
 
2002-10-02 04:13:59 PM  
Knock at the door, sergeant enters, and salutes.)

Sergeant: (John Cleese) Two civilian gentlemen to see you sir!

Colonel: Show them in please, sergeant.

Sergeant: Mr Dino Vercotti and Mr Luigi Vercotti.

(The Vercotti brothers enter. They wear Mafia suits and dark glasses.)

Dino: (Terry Jones) Good morning, Colonel.

Colonel: Good morning gentlemen. Now what can I do for you.

Luigi: (Michael Palin) (looking round office casually) You've... you've got a nice army base here, Colonel.

Colonel: Yes.

Luigi: We wouldn't want anything to happen to it.

Colonel: What?

Dino: No, what my brother means is it would be a shame if... (he knocks something off mantel)

Colonel: Oh.

Dino: Oh sorry, Colonel.

Colonel: Well don't worry about that. But please do sit down.

Luigi: No, we prefer to stand, thank you, Colonel.

Colonel: All right. All right. But what do you want?

Dino: What do we want, ha ha ha.

Luigi: Ha ha ha, very good, Colonel.

Dino: The Colonel's a joker, Luigi.

Luigi: Explain it to the Colonel, Dino.

Dino: How many tanks you got, Colonel?

Colonel: About five hundred altogether.

Luigi: Five hundred, eh?

Dino: You ought to be careful, Co1onel.

Colonel: We are careful, extremely careful.

Dino: 'Cos things break, don't they?

Colonel: Break?

Luigi: Well everything breaks, don't it Colonel. (he breaks something on desk) Oh dear.

Dino: Oh see my brother's clumsy Colonel, and when he gets unhappy he breaks things. Like say, he don't feel the army's playing fair by him, he may start breaking things, Colonel.

Colonel: What is all this about?

Luigi: How many men you got here, Colonel?

Colonel: Oh, er... seven thousand infantry, six hundred artillery, and er, two divisions of paratroops.

Luigi: Paratroops, Dino.

Dino: Be a shame if someone was to set fire to them.

Colonel: Set fire to them?

Luigi: Fires happen, Colonel.

Dino: Things burn.

Colonel: Look, what is all this about?

Dino: My brother and I have got a little proposition for you Colonel.

Luigi: Could save you a lot of bother.

Dino: I mean you're doing all right here aren't you, Colonel?

Luigi: Well suppose some of your tanks was to get broken and troops started getting lost, er, fights started breaking out during general inspection, like.

Dino: It wouldn't be good for business would it, Colonel?

Colonel: Are you threatening me?

Dino: Oh, no, no, no.

Luigi: Whatever made you think that, Colonel?

Dino: The Colonel doesn't think we're nice people, Luigi.

Luigi: We're your buddies, Colonel.

Dino: We want to look after you.

Colonel: Look after me?

Luigi: We can guarantee you that not a single armoured division will get done over for fifteen bob a week.

Colonel: No, no, no.

Luigi: Twelve and six.

Colonel: No, no, no.

Luigi: Eight and six... five bob.

Colonel: No, no this is silly.

Dino: What's silly?

Colonel: No, the whole premise is silly and it's very badly written. I'm the senior officer here and I haven't had a funny line yet. So I'm stopping it.

Dino: You can't do that!

Colonel: I've done it. The sketch is over.

Watkins: I want to leave the army please sir, it's dangerous.

Colonel: Look, I stopped your sketch five minutes ago. So get out of shot. Right director! Close up. Zoom in on me. (camera zooms in) That's better.

Luigi: (off screen) It's only 'cos you couldn't think of a punch line.

Colonel: Not true, not true. It's time for the cartoon. Cue telecine, ten, nine, eight...

(Cut to telecine countdown.)

Dino: (off screen) The general public's not going to understand this, are they?

Colonel: (off screen) Shut up you eyeties!
 
2002-10-02 06:05:52 PM  
10-02-02 01:22:50 PM TezTickles
MCSF Bn FAST Co 87-88
NWS Concord 84-87
OOh Rah


I was NWS Concord 89-92. How wierd.
 
2002-10-02 06:51:04 PM  
Sheesh. Marines.

But you gotta love em. Who else would pull my ass out of the fire ;-)

Don't you just love the way a cobra looks when it tops a hill and screams down the other side? I sure do. It's the prettiest sight in the world.
 
2002-10-02 08:36:05 PM  
Currently, D 1/1 - 31...and I haven't even been in 12 months yet. Hooah.
 
2002-10-02 10:02:51 PM  
BOOT
 
2002-10-02 10:15:57 PM  
Currently active FC1 (SW), US Navy (E-6). Been everywhere, done everything, got all the t-shirts.



My toy--



I like being in the military. For those that have never been in--it's not really like Full Metal Jacket all of the time. Yeah, there are bad parts, and your first two years are probably going to suck. But after you get a little bit of rank and learn to deal with the lifestyle, it's not a bad way to live.

There are also lots of benefits. In November, I'll have my Bachelor's degree (from Southern Illinois-Carbondale); it didn't cost me a dime (thanks, GI Bill and State of Illinois!). I get to travel the world and see all kinds of things. I even brought back a Japanese wife as a souvenir (in fact, I'm going back to Yokosuka in April). I'll get to retire at age 38 with a pension and move on to something else.

I also agree with Vespizzari. Some people are waaay too maudlin about all that 'sacrificing for their country' bullshiat. I joined for me and what I could get out of it--free college, free electronics and mechanics training, and travel. It was as good a way to start my life, and I'm glad I did it.

Military people: don't let civilians crap on you for your 'obvious stupidity.' Just smile. Like Mierk said, their opinion is all the opening we need. You just can't compete with people who are used to working 16-20 hour days in high-tech and high-stress jobs for peanuts. =)

Civilian people: Don't let anyone in the military crap on you for your 'lack of service.' Countries need bankers and barbers and computer experts and manufacturers and businessmen and doctors and lawyers just as much as they need soldiers and sailors (if not more). In fact, if you think you are unsuitable (for whatever reason), it's probably best that you don't join--for your sake and mine.

Of course, there was a time when I thought I would be unsuitable to become a 'military meathead.' But that's another story...
 
2002-10-02 10:40:47 PM  
Steelwelder -- I'm not sure if i'm repeating someone else's comments because I responed before reading more than the next ten or so posts, but here goes. Few of us in the armed services are jumpers, fewer yet are those of us who are also qualified to pack 'chutes as well. at several points during the packing process your work has to be inspected and checked by another jumper or a qualified rigger, points include; lines, air-channel, folds, and others. Even w/ cross checks malfunctions can happen from packing. As a USPA jumper I'm sure you're aware of all of this. But as for reserves, Most of us jumpers can't touch 'em, only a true rigger can pack/repack a reserve, and the ENTIRE process is observed/cross-checked. That's at least what happens in my shop. Being that we jump "bail-out", ejection seat 'chutes, modified rigs, C-9's, B-22's, etc. Not a one of them being a "traditional parachutes", our shop is pretty strict on packing, and related malfunctions are few and far between. Don't even get me started on exit/body position malfunctions.

But IMO these kind of malfunctions would never be detected one a Packed chute w/ a closed container, as the chute would be during bothe the jumper pre-inspection, or the JMPI's. There I'v said my piece.
 
2002-10-02 10:43:21 PM  
Deffinatly intentional though...IMO

I know I can't farking type, so please keep you comments to a minimum. Thanks.
 
2002-10-03 01:07:15 AM  
A little late for the roll call, but here it is:

US Army
CO B, 447 SIG Bn 93-94 (Ft. Gordon, GA)
CO B, 1110 SIG BN 94-99 (Ft. Meade, MD)

-SPC Skunkduster
 
2002-10-04 11:23:51 AM  
1/23 Skidoo
 
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