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2007-10-23 02:46:49 PM  
Ace Frehley's Ghost: In related news, Ron Paul projected to win the state of New Jersey.

Bwahahahah! I seriously wish I could give you a +1 for that snark.
 
2007-10-23 02:47:37 PM  
Luthiel: mentally ill

Someone who is mentally ill can still vote. I don't think you really know what the term means, or whom it applies to.

For example, anxiety, is classified as a mental illness. It applies to people who have irrational fears. For example, social phobia, where one has a fear of speaking out in public or being in social situations. It manifests itself with symptoms such as a racing heartbeat, nausea, sweating, elevated blood pressure, etc. It is treated with benzodiazepenes such as Valium or Xanax.

Alprazolam (generic Xanax) is the 7th top selling generic drug, with over 37 million prescriptions.

And yes, people that suffer from mental illness can vote in Jersey. The definition only applies to people that are institutionalized.
 
2007-10-23 02:51:29 PM  
It can be quite simple. Remove automatic citizenship. Make everyone earn citizenship. Make everyone take the same test for citizenship. If they can't read or understand the test, they shouldn't be citizens. And then simply verify citizenship for voting.

Then we can stop trying to enforce the border and simply limit services to citizens. Takes care of two issues at once.
 
2007-10-23 02:52:14 PM  
Luthiel
Ahem.
Please RTFA before posting.
The article isn't about WHO can vote, it's about the language used to describe the mentally ill and retarded folks. Who still won't be allowed to vote, change or no change.


So you're saying I still won't be allowed to vote? Just as well I suppose: I would have only used the voting booth to take a leak.

/BILL: So who'd you vote for, Hank?
//LUANNE: Nuh-uh. If he tells you, it won't come true.
 
2007-10-23 02:54:09 PM  
Great, another thread where douchebags and southerners can insult New Jersey.

DIAF
 
2007-10-23 02:57:40 PM  
King Gorilla: Great, another thread where douchebags and southerners can insult New Jersey.

DIAF



And transplants. Don't forget us transplants.

:-D
 
2007-10-23 02:59:52 PM  
They need to modify it to say no idiot or insane person can hold public office. Then it'll be worthwhile law. Also one I suspect people would fight to their death to uphold.
 
2007-10-23 03:01:15 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulu But what about cretins, imbeciles, morons, and half-wits?

I'm not worried about the cretins, imbeciles, moron, and half-wits who vote.... I'm worried about the cretins, imbeciles, morons and half-wits who get elected!
 
2007-10-23 03:03:22 PM  
to the guy who said that Ron Paul doesn't make sense: Maybe you should brush up on your English skills. Did you have too many sick days back in the 3rd grade?

Unless you are trying to tell me that you don't believe in economics? Or that the US's actions abroad have any affect on future actions by those people.
 
2007-10-23 03:04:16 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: But what about cretins, imbeciles, morons, and half-wits?

content.answers.com

They go back to the end of the line with the ass-kickers, shiat-kickers, and Methodists... :-D
 
2007-10-23 03:05:06 PM  
What saddens me about this thread is the amout of people in it with no understanding of the Constitution. The US Constitution specifys no inherit right to vote, though it is a very common misconception that is perpuated by our political class to push the ideas of democracy on us. This country was never intended to be a democracy (the word democracy is not even in the Constitution) on the federal level with the exception of the direct election of House Representitives. This was a protection given to us by the founding fathers from ourselves. It was done this way to slow change and to stifle the problems we see today within our current congress.

It was intended for the house to represent the people and the senate to represent the state government's interests. This was changed with an amendment. Now we have the problem of a single party gaining contol over congress pushing a party platform and not that of the interests of their constituents. This has caused the powers of the federal government to increase with each and every new election.

Back to the issue of sufferage, it is purely the states right to decide who can vote as long as they follow the guidelines set forth in the Constitution. If a state were to decide that a test had to be taken to vote that is perfectly acceptable. Same with a rule that disallows idiots the privelage to vote.
 
2007-10-23 03:06:30 PM  
New jersey has one of the best public school systems in the country, submitter
 
2007-10-23 03:10:42 PM  
Finally, I can vote. Ron Paul, here I come.
 
2007-10-23 03:12:57 PM  
bewart: to the guy who said that Ron Paul doesn't make sense: Maybe you should brush up on your English skills. Did you have too many sick days back in the 3rd grade?

Unless you are trying to tell me that you don't believe in economics? Or that the US's actions abroad have any affect on future actions by those people.


Your sentence fragment suggests to me that you don't have much business criticizing anyone else's grasp of the written word.
 
2007-10-23 03:14:27 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: But what about cretins, imbeciles, morons, and half-wits?

They've already been elected.
 
2007-10-23 03:17:37 PM  
cybrwzrd is one of the few people in this thread with both historical understanding and common sense.
 
2007-10-23 03:29:11 PM  
End the suffrage of women!
 
2007-10-23 03:32:55 PM  
cyberwzrd: The US Constitution leaves it to the States to determine who can and can not vote.

Article X
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


Changes and clarifications have been made to that Article, however:

Article XV
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Article XIX
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Amendment XXIV
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Amendment XXVI
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.


That said, we do not live in a democracy,nor wood I want to. Democracy = mob rule.
 
2007-10-23 03:34:00 PM  
If your testimony in court doesn't count for jack you do not need to be voting.

On the other hand, All states need to start testing for Common Farking Sense before allowing anyone to register to vote.
 
2007-10-23 03:34:44 PM  
Diogenes: My grandmother is a poll worker

Farkied
 
2007-10-23 03:38:45 PM  
I think just a few question to weed out the grossly uneducated would be to the benefit of the country.

1)Was there any proven established link between Sadam and Al Qaeda?
2)Were weapons of mass destruction ever found in Iraq?
Etc.

If answered yes, no vote for you.
 
2007-10-23 03:43:20 PM  
Here, because I like NJ:

i64.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-23 03:53:48 PM  
i22.photobucket.com

*Ding*

"Fries are done! Now I can go vote!"
 
2007-10-23 03:58:46 PM  
What this thread needs is voting enabled.
 
2007-10-23 03:59:34 PM  
Can someone explain to me why we would want to eliminate the stigma attached to mental and cognitive disabilities? These seem like good things to stigmatize, at least in the context of voting.
 
2007-10-23 04:00:34 PM  
larsinio: New jersey has one of the best public school systems in the country


Just out of curiosity, that has what to do with the article?
 
2007-10-23 04:02:18 PM  
therealitysoldier: I think just a few question to weed out the grossly uneducated would be to the benefit of the country.

1)Was there any proven established link between Sadam and Al Qaeda?
2)Were weapons of mass destruction ever found in Iraq?
Etc.

If answered yes, no vote for you.


One of the unedcuated has something to say to you:
i221.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-23 04:04:09 PM  
Spookync: larsinio: New jersey has one of the best public school systems in the country


Just out of curiosity, that has what to do with the article?



Iarsinio: Are you referring to the Abbott districts specifically?
 
2007-10-23 04:16:11 PM  
How about we give the same test to natural-born citizens as we do to immigrants?

Sample.

There is almost nothing in there that a would-be voter shouldn't know (the INS form question is topical for an immigrant, but not otherwise). I read about people who know fark-all about this country's government and history and the thought that they can vote terrifies me. What does it say about the population when immigrants can be relied upon to be more knowledgeable about our republic than someone who has lived here their whole life?

Offer the test for free and in multiple languages. It'd be unfortunate for the illiterate, but if you actually can't read in this day and age, then it's a safe bet you will be a menace to those around you at when it comes to voting. Besides, literacy tests were originally abolished largely due to their use alongside Jim Crow laws to disenfranchise minorities. Anyone else think we could put them to better use than that today? If there is some minority that is disproportionately illiterate, that's the problem to fix.

Voting is a tool, and a powerful one at that. It is not unreasonable to demand that those who wield it know what they're doing. Same reasoning behind the idea of professional juries.
 
2007-10-23 04:27:03 PM  
Dyolf_Knip: How about we give the same test to natural-born citizens as we do to immigrants?

Sample.

There is almost nothing in there that a would-be voter shouldn't know (the INS form question is topical for an immigrant, but not otherwise). I read about people who know fark-all about this country's government and history and the thought that they can vote terrifies me. What does it say about the population when immigrants can be relied upon to be more knowledgeable about our republic than someone who has lived here their whole life?

Offer the test for free and in multiple languages. It'd be unfortunate for the illiterate, but if you actually can't read in this day and age, then it's a safe bet you will be a menace to those around you at when it comes to voting. Besides, literacy tests were originally abolished largely due to their use alongside Jim Crow laws to disenfranchise minorities. Anyone else think we could put them to better use than that today? If there is some minority that is disproportionately illiterate, that's the problem to fix.

Voting is a tool, and a powerful one at that. It is not unreasonable to demand that those who wield it know what they're doing. Same reasoning behind the idea of professional juries.


Do you have what it takes to become a citizen?
You answered 95% of questions correctly. Here's your rating:

0-20%: Maybe you're still thinking too much about the Old Country.

25-40%: Mmmm. Do you really want to be a citizen? This kind of performance isn't going to impress those nice immigration folks.

45-60%: Not too bad, but you really need to break out the civics books again -- word is, the INS is looking for an 80 percent score.

65-80%: Hey, you may make a good citizen yet! Look at your wrong answers and a little revision should do the trick.

85-100%: Welcome to the United States! (And, truth be told, you know more about this great land than most Americans.)

I got one wrong:
19. What INS form is used to apply to become a naturalized citizen?

Form N-200 "Petition for Naturalization" is not correct.
N-400 "Application for Naturalization"

Damn forms. I forget my 1040, too...
 
2007-10-23 04:54:51 PM  
When will NJ put this in their constitution:
"No idiot or insane person shall enjoy the right of to hold public office??"
 
2007-10-23 04:57:38 PM  
Xerxes99: Then how the hell do they keep electing democrats in that state??

Unions. Any other questions?
 
2007-10-23 05:03:36 PM  
Judas_Iscargot: Rapmaster2000: "Who cares about voting, we're gowin to da clubs at da down thuh show!"

FTFY.


Which shore?

/Guidos and Canadian grape smugglers go to Wildwood
//Island Beach State Park FTW:

i106.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-23 05:36:53 PM  
I think just a few question to weed out the grossly uneducated would be to the benefit of the country.

1)Was there any proven established link between Sadam and Al Qaeda?
2)Were weapons of mass destruction ever found in Iraq?
Etc.

If answered yes, no vote for you.


You're a moron. New Jersey is a Democratic state, Bush didnt win here either time he ran.
 
2007-10-23 06:06:27 PM  
Does that include rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists?
 
2007-10-23 06:40:57 PM  
apeiron242 End the suffrage of women!

Interestingly, Ann Coulter is with you on that...
 
2007-10-23 07:48:50 PM  
When I see "NJ" and "1877" in the headline, I expect to see something about the invention of the phonograph, dammit!

/Record lover
 
2007-10-23 07:49:08 PM  
MooseUpNorth: To vote in NJ one "...gets a paper-cut on the nipple or testicle of their choice, upon which a butt-ugly and very bitter former circus midget with BO and bad gas applies a capcaisin poultice soaked in neat gin and botulism, to be secured firmly with super glue and duct tape. They are then escorted and serenaded by said midget to the correct polling station."

Intrigued, newsletter, &c.
 
2007-10-23 07:52:40 PM  
It's about time that New Jersey lawmakers gave themselves the right to vote.
 
2007-10-23 08:06:57 PM  
 
2007-10-23 08:07:57 PM  
I, for one, think idiots shouldn't be able to vote. At that point, I'd have like 3 electoral votes to myself.
 
2007-10-23 08:15:12 PM  
They are doing it wrong. They should not let idiots run for office.
 
2007-10-23 08:22:30 PM  
gdave44: It can be quite simple. Remove automatic citizenship. Make everyone earn citizenship. Make everyone take the same test for citizenship. If they can't read or understand the test, they shouldn't be citizens. And then simply verify citizenship for voting.

Then we can stop trying to enforce the border and simply limit services to citizens. Takes care of two issues at once.


Sorry...I think we're just a little too close to Ancient Rome as it is, what with our current Caesar and all...
 
2007-10-23 08:25:51 PM  
cybrwzrd:
Back to the issue of sufferage, it is purely the states right to decide who can vote as long as they follow the guidelines set forth in the Constitution


...and relevant Supreme Court rulings...
 
2007-10-23 08:59:55 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: But what about cretins, imbeciles, morons, and half-wits?

Please refer to NJ State Legislature (new window).
 
2007-10-23 09:50:54 PM  
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that should prevent a legal citizen from voting. Felons, disabled, and mentally challenged people should ALL be able to vote, no questions asked.
 
2007-10-23 10:19:29 PM  
Patriotism 2007-10-23 01:40:15 PM If you're an idiot or insane, you don't get to vote. Go sit in the sunshine and drool on yourself and let the normal people run the show.


Winnar!

/If you're a retard, you can't make a logical vote. Therefore you shouldn't be able to vote.
 
2007-10-23 10:37:06 PM  
The morons and dipshiats already vote in NJ. They keep voting in the same crooks who steal land from little old ladies to build condos^H^H^H^H^H^H"school buildings" on. (Monroe Township... those who live on the dump [yea, it's a dump] in those new fancy houses don't help.)
 
2007-10-23 11:06:27 PM  
"Idiot and insane, as well as being offensive, are inaccurate and should be removed," he said.

The proposed change was sponsored by Senate President Richard J. Codey, D-Essex, who has advocated for numerous mental health reforms.

"We can hopefully erase the stigma attached to mental and cognitive disabilities," Codey said. "The fact that this language has remained in our constitution for so long is a disgrace. I'm confident that the people of New Jersey will agree with me."

Another sponsor, Assemblyman Joseph Cryan, D-Union, called the language "as outdated as it is offensive."

'
Yes. They need to get that part about "dead people" expunged too. Since they probable keep turning up as registered Democrats in NJ long after they're dead, wouldn't want them to feel slighted...
 
2007-10-23 11:38:07 PM  
So we've got a farker's grandma who works the polls, and a farker's dad who works the polls?

I guess it really was a fluke when I worked the polls in Burlington City back in the mid-1990s... was about 24-26 at the time.
 
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