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(KPHO)   Arizona prosecutor seeking information on people who viewed a webpage, arrests newspaper staff for story about it   (kpho.com) divider line 134
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2007-10-19 02:22:59 PM  
Man, they aren't even going through the motions of paying lip service to the Constitution any more.

Sad.
 
2007-10-19 02:26:35 PM  
Is "quash" really a word?
 
2007-10-19 03:44:43 PM  
Sheriff Joe, attention ho.
 
2007-10-19 04:34:56 PM  
How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?
 
2007-10-19 04:43:27 PM  
Why would they need to know everyone who visited a site and everyone who read an article? They are tracking everyone who just read something? How is that freedom of any kind?

/Apparently it is true: Big brother is watching out, and if you report about it, you get arrested.
 
2007-10-19 04:43:51 PM  
Chuck Wagon:
How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?

This.
 
2007-10-19 04:48:36 PM  
nobozo: Chuck Wagon:
How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?

This.


Thirded
 
2007-10-19 04:49:12 PM  
So, what? Are they going to arrest the people that read the article?

/DRTFA
//or the other one...
 
2007-10-19 04:49:17 PM  
bugmn99: Is "quash" really a word?

Yes, in reference to subpoenas.
 
2007-10-19 04:49:59 PM  
Gailin: nobozo: Chuck Wagon:
How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?

This.

Thirded



Quadruplerded
 
2007-10-19 04:50:05 PM  
Is the original website still up? Maybe it should get looked at a whole lot more.
 
2007-10-19 04:50:15 PM  
bugmn99: Is "quash" really a word?

quash = squelch

/both funny words
 
2007-10-19 04:50:32 PM  
Ahh, more of the saga that is Beatdown Joe. Because the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
 
2007-10-19 04:51:29 PM  
Blues_X

Sheriff Joe, attention ho.

But what of Sheriff Lobo?
 
2007-10-19 04:51:37 PM  
They were arrested for disclosing a secret grand jury subpoena. It's arguable that were indeed being harrassed/investigated for the website issue, but that's a different story.

It's like when you see a headline like "Man gets 15 years for stealing candybar" when in reality he stole the candybar, then shot a policeman trying to escape. It makes for a better headline, but it's missleading. Someone should write a book...
 
2007-10-19 04:52:05 PM  
Also, subby's headline is misleading. The sheriff is the real bad guy here. The prosecutor's just his puppet.
 
2007-10-19 04:52:18 PM  
He makes prisoners wear pink underwear?
 
2007-10-19 04:52:36 PM  
i think this guy and the old sheriff hagy from davidson county NC (im sure some NC farker with a better memory will correct me on the county) should have a deathmatch.

winner gets shot out of a cannon into the sun.
 
2007-10-19 04:52:55 PM  
wow. a prosecutor overreaching post 9/11?

shocking.

also, he's an asshat.
 
2007-10-19 04:53:51 PM  
bugmn99: Is "quash" really a word?
=squash, but that sounds vulgar
looks like the sheriff's motions will get (s)quashed somewhere along the way...
 
2007-10-19 04:53:53 PM  
goodvirus

Attention Fark mods! We've got someone here using well reasoned logic in his post. He also appears to have actually read TFA. I suggest you ban him and nuke his account from orbit. Because we can't be having that sort of shiat around here, mmmkay?
 
2007-10-19 04:55:41 PM  
Um, I'm sorry, but if I get ANYthing in the mail (like, for instance, a subpoena), it's mine. I should be able to scan it and post it to FARK if I want. Now, they can force me to testify and be quiet about what I saw/heard inside the courtroom, and that's legit, but not being able to say "subpoenas have been issued in a grand jury case"? WTF??

Is this newspaper in print as well? Have they asked for a subscriber list, or surveillance video of the newspaper boxes that distribute it? If not, they can STFU and GBT raping the constitution.
 
2007-10-19 04:55:54 PM  
Anyone have links to the articles? If you can get arrested for reading them, they must be pretty farking good.
 
2007-10-19 04:56:31 PM  
As if we needed one, this a reason that may have never occurred to us, why news sites that require or even invite registration are evil.
 
2007-10-19 04:56:39 PM  
bugmn99: Is "quash" really a word?

Yep, it's a real legal term used by lawyers when they want to prevent something from being used as evidence, or when they want a motion to be denied. It is not a misprint for "squash."
 
2007-10-19 04:56:46 PM  
Damn. I am a big supporter of law enforcement but ... damn. This stuff is borderline fascist. Paging ACLU .... stop spending all your time getting crosses out of war memorials and get on this STAT!
 
2007-10-19 04:56:49 PM  
Dear World:

"Web page" is two words.

"Web site" is also two words.

Thank you. That is all.



/Pet peeve.
 
2007-10-19 04:57:13 PM  
Lacey and Larkin wrote that authorities would probably believe that revealing the subpoenas was against the law, "but there are moments when civil disobedience is merely the last option."

Disclosing grand jury information is punishable by up to six months in jail, $2,500 in fines for a person and $20,000 for an enterprise.


So they knowingly broke the law. What's the problem with them being arrested for it?
 
2007-10-19 04:58:04 PM  
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

- Claire Wolfe


Well, I think we may be getting close.
 
2007-10-19 04:58:17 PM  
Sheriff Joe needs to be assassinated, and that right quick.

/expect to find Arizona deputies on my doorstep tomorrow.
 
2007-10-19 04:58:19 PM  
captainorbaggio: Gailin: nobozo: Chuck Wagon:
How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?

This.

Thirded

Quadruplerded


Quintrooski'd.
 
2007-10-19 04:59:39 PM  
bwringer

Dear World:

"Web page" is two words.

"Web site" is also two words.

Thank you. That is all.

/Pet peeve.



Dear Bwringer: Language evolves

You are welcome .... that is all.
 
2007-10-19 05:01:31 PM  
I live in PHX, all my life.

Arpaio is the biggest pile of crap on the planet.

Our own little Stalin. If you are high profile and complain, he threatens you, he is a petty little termite.

The rest of the media licks his boots...he makes sure of it.

I can't wait for him to go down............
 
2007-10-19 05:01:34 PM  
Chuck Wagon: How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?

That is exactly what I came in here to say.

"Profiles" of everyone who visited the site since 2004? GMAFB.
 
2007-10-19 05:02:12 PM  
proof that Fark needs a "Sheriff Joe" tag.
 
2007-10-19 05:02:24 PM  
I guess I would like to know their reasoning behind this... Like is someone going to kill sherrif Joe and they think he read the 4 news stories they published?
 
2007-10-19 05:02:31 PM  
whitefalcon79: captainorbaggio: Gailin: nobozo: Chuck Wagon:
How did I know this would involve sherrif Joe before even looking at the article?

This.

Thirded

Quadruplerded

Quintrooski'd.


Sextuplified!!?

/I like this word
 
2007-10-19 05:02:42 PM  
bwringer: /Pet peeve.

Petpeeve.
 
2007-10-19 05:02:54 PM  
Gyrfalcon: Sheriff Joe needs to be assassinated, and that right quick.

/expect to find Arizona deputies on my doorstep tomorrow.


He already thinks someone (illegal immigrants or Mexican drug cartel, or both) is planning it. Cue big fat waste of $600K of taxpayer money providing bodyguards and security systems for paranoid Sheriff Joe.
 
2007-10-19 05:03:34 PM  
Original article that got them arrested is here.

Story appears to involve the Sheriff subpoena-ing everything in site, cronies in the county attorney's office violating legal ethics left and right, and finally the newspaper just up and got fed up, and published everything they had.
 
2007-10-19 05:04:01 PM  
They leaked the grand jury, BUT, last week, the Sheriff's attorney had a lackey call the judge and try to persuade her.

A huge no-no and an actionable offense.

Remember, this is the same guy that pressured the local TV station to run a report saying that the guy who ran against him raped his mother.

Hundreds of examples of what a goon this guy is.
 
2007-10-19 05:05:08 PM  
smitty01: He already thinks someone (illegal immigrants or Mexican drug cartel, or both) is planning it. Cue big fat waste of $600K of taxpayer money providing bodyguards and security systems for paranoid Sheriff Joe.

If those are the type of people who want him dead then he must be doing something right.
 
2007-10-19 05:06:21 PM  
More information in the link below from the source, and how/why this is coming about. Including more recent information that prosecutor has tried setting up out of court meetings with the judge (with subsequent b*tchslap by the judge)


Clickie! (new window)Link
 
2007-10-19 05:08:07 PM  
I live in Phoenix and support the 4th amendment, so I'm really getting a
 
2007-10-19 05:08:44 PM  
This appears to be the article they ran that got 'em arrested. It even has a link to a .pdf of the subpoenas.
 
2007-10-19 05:09:42 PM  
Should be interesting when he finally DIAF

/you can't buy tickets to that kind of entertainment
 
2007-10-19 05:10:06 PM  
ubernostrum: Original article that got them arrested is here.

Story appears to involve the Sheriff subpoena-ing everything in site, cronies in the county attorney's office violating legal ethics left and right, and finally the newspaper just up and got fed up, and published everything they had.


Check out the subpoena (new window): they want all sorts of reader information, including their IPs, operating systems, browsers, and referring sites, and contents of users' cookies ("site preferences, contents of electronic shopping carts"). It may be illegal to disclose the contents of the subpoena, but I believe it was New Times' civic duty to do so.
 
2007-10-19 05:11:51 PM  
Egregious Philbin:

Remember, this is the same guy that pressured the local TV station to run a report saying that the guy who ran against him raped his mother.

Hundreds of examples of what a goon this guy is.


Not only that, but the guy who ran against him, Dan Saban, was actually molested by his foster mother when he was a kid, and Joe turned the story around.
 
2007-10-19 05:12:16 PM  
Anybody know the back story here? So far as I can gather from this article, this newspaper published the sheriff's home address back in 2004. What happened since then that has led to the grand jury subpoenas?

Furthermore, why would the grand jury be issuing subpoenas for 3 years' worth of the paper's web traffic logs? Isn't it the prosecution's job to present evidence to the grand jury or is the jury itself allowed to go on fishing expeditions?
 
2007-10-19 05:14:30 PM  
Lacey and Larkin wrote that authorities would probably believe that revealing the subpoenas was against the law, "but there are moments when civil disobedience is merely the last option."

Disclosing grand jury information is punishable by up to six months in jail, $2,500 in fines for a person and $20,000 for an enterprise.


So they knew it was illegal but they did it anyways. And they got busted for it. I'm not saying I 100% support what the DA is doing, but it looks like he has a legal case. They did something illegal, they admit knowing it's illegal and they biatch about it? That's just farking stupid. Shows what good civil disobedience does.
 
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