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(Reuters)   Vodak makes inroads in world's biggest Scotch market, probably because drinkers find that no matter how much Dr. Pepper they mix it with, single-malt still has that unpleasant "whisky" taste   (uk.reuters.com) divider line 147
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2007-10-16 08:57:55 PM
What is this "Vodak" Tfers keep speaking of?
 
2007-10-16 09:05:41 PM
 
2007-10-16 10:32:22 PM
Frankly, it wouldn't be a bad thing if single malt got less popular. *insert cranky yuppie rant here*

Last year I could get my favorite scotch, Oban, for about $45 a bottle in NJ or PA. Now it's like $60. And don't get me started on Lagavulin. A 16 year old beauty used to cost about $65, and now it's pushing a hundred. And no, I can't order it online from a discount website because I live in the socialist state of PA.

The only way I can console myself is by thinking that by the time the supply catches up to the demand (about 16 years) the scotch won't be trendy and popular anymore, and I'll be able to pick up the surplus for a song.

I know that won't happen, but I can dream, right?

*end rant*
 
2007-10-16 10:40:08 PM
I'm still trying to find vodak flavored jelly beasn.
 
2007-10-16 10:40:33 PM
Whisky is not an unpleasant taste. especially single malt whisky. submitter needs to stop drinking blended scotch and/or whiskey.
 
2007-10-16 10:40:50 PM
Scotch and whiskey, by their very nature, taste like bad vodka filtered through crispy sweatsocks -- no matter how much you pay for them.
 
2007-10-16 10:43:30 PM
*Sigh*

How many times do I have to explain that scotch is not whiskey?
 
2007-10-16 10:43:47 PM
Ahhhhh - the wonderful Oban. I purchased a bottle at the Duty-Free shop at Shannon, Ireland on my way back from Kuwait.

Can't find it anywhere behind the "Zion Curtain" here in Utah.

Sigh...
 
2007-10-16 10:44:46 PM
MoeSzyslak: Original vodak thread (pops)

oh, a typo-based cliche

btw, what's wrong with the way whisky tastes?
 
2007-10-16 10:46:07 PM
How many times do I have to explain that scotch is not whiskey?

Umm...yes it is.

Wiki entry (new window)
 
2007-10-16 10:46:23 PM
Maybe because Vodak str8 leaves no alcohol smell on your breath
 
2007-10-16 10:47:09 PM
Yay!!! Liquor snob thread!
 
2007-10-16 10:48:17 PM
oren0: How many times do I have to explain that scotch is not whiskey?

Umm...yes it is.

Wiki entry (new window)


Whisky, not Whiskey. Big difference.
 
2007-10-16 10:48:21 PM
Bucky Katt: btw, what's wrong with the way whisky tastes?

Nothing, if you like the taste of moldy wood.
 
2007-10-16 10:50:02 PM
Your first mistake was mixing scotch. What the hell? Drink it straight you pussies.
 
2007-10-16 10:50:30 PM
Whiskey: It's expensive, so it has to be good.
 
2007-10-16 10:50:32 PM
Chameleon: Bucky Katt: btw, what's wrong with the way whisky tastes?

Nothing, if you like the taste of moldy wood.



Let me assure you that if your whisky tastes like moldy wood, then

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2007-10-16 10:51:14 PM
*sigh* Vodak reminds me of Rodak
 
2007-10-16 10:51:26 PM
i24.tinypic.com
 
2007-10-16 10:51:29 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Maybe because Vodak str8 leaves no alcohol smell on your breath

Myth.
 
2007-10-16 10:52:53 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Maybe because Vodak str8 leaves no alcohol smell on your breath

Maybe not, but the alcohol in it does.
 
2007-10-16 10:52:54 PM
Will trade partially drunk bottles of GlenLivet and Glenfiddich (3/4 full) for partially drunk bottles of bourbon.

/thought I liked scotch in my younger days. people bought it for me but I never ended up liking it.
 
2007-10-16 10:54:01 PM
Is it bad that simply seeing Vodak, Scotch, and whisky inspired me to fix myself a drink?

I vote no.
 
2007-10-16 10:54:16 PM
Dang. a glass of McCallan over ice, with a finger of water, would be great. It's the kind of drink that takes you a half hour to drink. And drinking scotch isn't like drinking beer or wine or crown royal and seven....
 
2007-10-16 10:54:35 PM
The_Primal_Janitor: oren0: How many times do I have to explain that scotch is not whiskey?

Umm...yes it is.

Wiki entry (new window)

Whisky, not Whiskey. Big difference.


images.businessweek.com
Good old fashioned American Bourbon Whisky
 
2007-10-16 10:55:02 PM
whisky neq whiskey.

drink single malt scotch whisky neat. no ice. no mixers. room temperature. maybe a splash of room temperature filtered water between varieties for palette cleansing.
 
2007-10-16 10:55:20 PM
I turned 21 last winter and since then have noticed that many of my friends like vodka more than any other distilled liquor, similar to the trend the article showed is happening in France. I never really understood why this was. I like Scotch/Whiskey/Bourbon a whole lot more than Vodka. Vodka can be really good (though the inexpensive stuff is crap), but it lacks the complex flavor of whiskey, in my opinion, and seems much more suited for mixing, which is what my friends do with it. They seem to want to get drunk faster and only taste the fruity drink they mixed the vodka with, while I enjoy sipping a good Scotch or having a whisky mixed with some soda water. Yes, the lower-end whiskey is great for getting drunk on, but when it comes to picking a drink to enjoy, i'll take a high-end scotch over a high-end vodka any day.
 
2007-10-16 10:57:51 PM
Who drinks vodka except 17 year olds?
 
2007-10-16 10:58:47 PM
Shut up and drink your vodak you little twerp.

And plunge that husky in there.
 
2007-10-16 10:59:02 PM
quit buying the cheap rotgut whiskey then.

In my opinion most vodka taste the same from Heaven Hill to Gray Gosse (most overrated liquor out there) but whiskey you need to spend more than five bucks a bottle unless you are going to mix it. Even then a five buck bottle of rotgut whiskey isnt going to taste like rubbing alcohol like most vodkas.
 
2007-10-16 10:59:29 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Maybe because Vodak str8 leaves no alcohol smell on your breath

You idiots are so precious.

Back in my wilder youth my stripper girlfriend told me about the guy she met at the club who had to share with her his surefire way to beat breathalyzers-he drank through his arse.

Seriously: he self-administered vodka enemas. Apparently it hurts like hell, but well worth it for circumventing DUI charges!

/study up on your vices kids
//or don't, Fark could always use more material
 
2007-10-16 10:59:44 PM
JosephFinn: *Sigh*

How many times do I have to explain that scotch is not whiskey?



From the wiki page:

To be called Scotch whisky the spirit must conform to the standards of the Scotch Whisky Order of 1990 (UK),[1] which clarified the Scotch Whisky Act of 1988,[2] and mandates that the spirit:
(1)Must be distilled at a Scottish distillery from water and malted barley, to which only other whole grains may be added, have been processed at that distillery into a mash, converted to a fermentable substrate only by endogenous enzyme systems, and fermented only by the addition of yeast,
(2)Must be distilled to an alcoholic strength of less than 94.8% by volume so that it retains the flavour of the raw materials used in its production,
(3)Must be matured in Scotland in oak casks for no less than three years,
(4)Must not contain any added substance other than water and caramel colouring, and
(5)May not be bottled at less than 40% alcohol by volume.



This is why seagram's, as of a decade and a half or so ago, is now "american" whisky, despite fitting criteria 2-4.

More generically, "scotch" is often used to refer to any distilled spirit over 160 or so proof that comes from a barley base, in the same sense that "bourbon" is loosely used to refer to any 160+ proof drink with a cow food base (corn not normally judged fit for direct human consumption... and yes, I'm being snarky).

So, sorry, but it is, in fact, whisky.

buckler: Scotch and whiskey, by their very nature, taste like bad vodka filtered through crispy sweatsocks -- no matter how much you pay for them.

As someone who implies they prefer vodka, which alone tastes of potatoes (neutral/no taste, to most people) and is usually mixed so that you can't taste the actual drink, I'm kind of doubting you're actually in a position to comment.


That is all, save for saying that I mostly go for Scotch straight (mixing whisky is a sin) / Gin mixed (actual flavor in both substances mixed = win). Just for disclosure purposes.
 
2007-10-16 11:00:16 PM
That's hilarious because last night we ran out of mixers and started mixing our vodak with dr pepper.
 
2007-10-16 11:01:36 PM
AppleOptionEsc: Whiskey: It's expensive, so it has to be good.

Whiskey
can be very cheap. The Irish are mostly poor and need a cheap liquor to fill their crocks.
Now Whisky...that can get expensive.
 
2007-10-16 11:01:46 PM
I used to like bourbon and whatnot. Until I had to work near the stuff (maintenance work, not bar work). Now I can only stand the smells of certain whiskeys/rums/sugary alcohol beverages. Anything else is just too sweet/sickly to stand the smell of.
 
2007-10-16 11:01:51 PM
mrhollywoodgates: I turned 21 last winter and since then have noticed that many of my friends like vodka more than any other distilled liquor, similar to the trend the article showed is happening in France. I never really understood why this was. I like Scotch/Whiskey/Bourbon a whole lot more than Vodka. Vodka can be really good (though the inexpensive stuff is crap), but it lacks the complex flavor of whiskey, in my opinion, and seems much more suited for mixing, which is what my friends do with it. They seem to want to get drunk faster and only taste the fruity drink they mixed the vodka with, while I enjoy sipping a good Scotch or having a whisky mixed with some soda water. Yes, the lower-end whiskey is great for getting drunk on, but when it comes to picking a drink to enjoy, i'll take a high-end scotch over a high-end vodka any day.

squirrelinator: Who drinks vodka except 17 year olds?

I drank it on the rocks usually, and I do.
 
2007-10-16 11:01:53 PM
ptrifoliata2: whisky neq whiskey.

drink single malt scotch whisky neat. no ice. no mixers. room temperature. maybe a splash of room temperature filtered water between varieties for palette cleansing.


ding ding ding ding. even cask strength whisky should be consumed this way.
 
2007-10-16 11:02:03 PM
Whisky, not Whiskey. Big difference.

Not to cite Wikipedia twice, but Whisky (new window)

"Whisky (Scottish Gaelic: uisge-beatha), or whiskey (Irish: uisce beatha), refers to a broad category of alcoholic beverages ..."

It goes on to list types including scotch and American whisk(e)y.

The dictionary also lists them as the same thing.

Care to try again?
 
2007-10-16 11:02:31 PM
thalidomide new and improved
..It's the kind of drink that takes you a half hour to drink.

Because if you drink it any faster, you retch it all back up due to its disgusting flavor.
 
2007-10-16 11:02:55 PM
I found whilst playing the Deadwood drinking game that Scotch is probably the smoothest shot out there. Still, I prefer my gin.
 
2007-10-16 11:04:34 PM
Edipis: ...

ding ding ding ding. even cask strength whisky should be consumed this way.


my whiskys. let me show u thems.
 
2007-10-16 11:06:11 PM
Nobody goes to night clubs to enjoy fine drink. Naturally, your basic rotgut is going to be favored.
 
2007-10-16 11:07:23 PM
Surly_Duff: Frankly, it wouldn't be a bad thing if single malt got less popular. *insert cranky yuppie rant here*

Last year I could get my favorite scotch, Oban, for about $45 a bottle in NJ or PA. Now it's like $60. And don't get me started on Lagavulin. A 16 year old beauty used to cost about $65, and now it's pushing a hundred. And no, I can't order it online from a discount website because I live in the socialist state of PA.


A lot of that may be the drop in the dollar relative to ,most major currencies.

/prefer Beefeater myself
 
2007-10-16 11:07:49 PM
Surly_Duff

While I'd also love for the price of Scotch to drop, we can only blame the shortage on the makers, because they oversold their barrels of single malt to the blended scotch makers. I'm pretty sure an article about this appeared on Fark a few years back, but at the time I was hoping it was fear-mongering.

/Wishes I'd bought cases and cases back when I read that article
 
2007-10-16 11:08:03 PM
VODAK!!!!!

FRANCE SURRENDERS!!!!!
 
2007-10-16 11:08:33 PM
Nojimbo: drjekel_mrhyde: Maybe because Vodak str8 leaves no alcohol smell on your breath

You idiots are so precious.

Back in my wilder youth my stripper girlfriend told me about the guy she met at the club who had to share with her his surefire way to beat breathalyzers-he drank through his arse.

Seriously: he self-administered vodka enemas. Apparently it hurts like hell, but well worth it for circumventing DUI charges!

/study up on your vices kids
//or don't, Fark could always use more material


I didn't say you could beat a breathalyzer but it leave no smell until you sweat it out or drink a beer or wine with it then it intensifys the Alcohol smell
 
2007-10-16 11:09:39 PM
Please! Whiskey shouldn't be mixed with anything except ice. Put some ice cubes in a glass, and pour enough whiskey to just cover the ice.
 
2007-10-16 11:11:05 PM
Jim_Callahan:As someone who implies they prefer vodka, which alone tastes of potatoes (neutral/no taste, to most people) and is usually mixed so that you can't taste the actual drink, I'm kind of doubting you're actually in a position to comment.


I'm in a great position to comment...seated in front of my keyboard. *BA-DUM-BUMP* I often like to taste the mixer that's in the glass, while enjoying the relaxation of the alcohol. If it's the alcoholic drink I want to taste, then I'll gravitate towards something like ouzo or rum. By all means, enjoy your whisky/whiskey/scotch. I just have to wonder about the sanity of the first guy who said "Hmmm...if I dried this grain out by burning mud underneath it, I could still use that barrel that caught on fire the other day to make a kick-butt drink!".

(lifts a glass your way)
Cheers, eh?
 
2007-10-16 11:11:55 PM
It's booze. If it gets you drunk, it's all good.
 
2007-10-16 11:12:11 PM
If it comes from Scotland or Canada, it is a whisky. If it's Irish or American, it is a whiskey.

So, Jim_Callahan and JosephFinn are both right, Scotch is not a Whiskey, Scotch is a Whisky.

/bar manager.
 
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