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2007-10-13 07:52:26 PM  
buckler: DarthBrooks: If you're handicapped, don't you have your own goddamn wheelchair?

My sister-in-law has a painful foot problem due to a congenital defect. She can walk, preferably with a support of some kind, for short distances -- enough to get from the house to the car, or the car to the store entrance, so she doesn't need a wheelchair for most things. Standing and walking around the store, though, is very uncomfortable, so she uses the electric cart.


www.kamworld.net
Huh huh...You said genital defect.
 
2007-10-13 07:52:45 PM  
There is a woman in my building who uses one of those carts, though. She has her own, and parks it outside the door of her shared office. She is elderly, and HUUUUUUGE. I don't know her well enough to ask about it (we are only on the usual "nod at each other in the hall" level) but it does sort of boggle the mind.

We all had to order chairs when we had a cube furniture upgrade, and the various chairs had weight limits. Surely she needed a special one...
 
2007-10-13 07:54:32 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

Off-topic, but your nick was enough to make me read your bio to see if you're as gross as it implies (you're not, BTW), and I saw you play/ed Amber-MUSH.

Just wanted to say that that's cool, also Amber will tremble before the power of the Logruszed!
 
2007-10-13 07:54:52 PM  
Gidgie:
Perhaps, but biking 200 miles a week and not losing a pound is a little extreme, don't you think? Particularly in warm weather.


I don't bike 200 miles a week. That was some sn(f)arker who said I did. I bike about 80 miles a week.
 
2007-10-13 07:56:04 PM  
FWIW I don't know "DO NOT WANT Poster Girl" but I can say that I have a neighbor who is fairly overweight, in the "must buy clothes at the large size stores" category, and yet said neighbor does things like ride in the Hilly Hundred. My wimpy ass would not dream of doing anything like that, so there are some people who manage to exercise and be fat. Disclaimer: I have no idea what food is involved.
 
2007-10-13 07:56:14 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: If you forced a super-fat person to walk around -- for the vast majority of them you'd eventually have to call an ambulance a forklift.
 
2007-10-13 07:56:57 PM  
Articles making fun of fatties sell these days, I guess. When will you farkers get sick of all the propaganda? I've never seen a grocery store out of the little rolling shopping carts. This guy is being a douchebag and he's getting attention because it gave the reporter what he felt was a legitimate excuse to bash fatties.

Also just because somebody riding on one of those carts is fat doesn't mean they're doing it because they're fat. They could be doing it because they have MS, ALS, a heart condition, knee problems, hip problems, or back problems. Some of those things could be caused by being fat or they could be unrelated.

Just seeing a fat person on a rolling cart doesn't mean they're taking it from handicapped people just because they don't want to walk any more than a black guy walking down a street at night is definitely there to steal your purse.
 
2007-10-13 07:59:58 PM  
CaptQueeg: Yay!!! Its Faturday!!!

I had to literally hold a hand up to the screen to cover that image, so I could finish reading the posts around it. I hate you.
 
2007-10-13 08:00:18 PM  
plutonium238: /Your doing it wrong!

No way his balls were really that big..
 
2007-10-13 08:00:25 PM  
BleedPinstripes

What do you think I'm using?

Do you have NoScript installed? It's tha freakin' bomb... :)

/out for the weekend
//BUH BYE!
 
2007-10-13 08:01:29 PM  
there was a whale trying to get on a city bus. his arms were so gargantuan that he had all he could do to enter the bus and get his cart turned around. he barely fit thru the door!
could these people be turned into dog or chicken feed and thereby save the wild horses.
 
2007-10-13 08:02:02 PM  
farkmeagainandagain: plutonium238: /Your doing it wrong!

No way his balls were really that big..


No, but his hernia is.
 
2007-10-13 08:02:34 PM  
plutonium238: Thin the herd!

We wouldn't need to thin the herd if we just flensed and rendered specimens such as you posted for our future energy and food needs.

/Cull, not thin
//slash the fat
 
2007-10-13 08:03:36 PM  
logruszed: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

Off-topic, but your nick was enough to make me read your bio to see if you're as gross as it implies (you're not, BTW), and I saw you play/ed Amber-MUSH.


You're the first person to even acknowledge AmberMUSH on Fark.

Cool tidbit: While I was playing Vialle, I had other alts. Jim Butcher (the original author of the Dresden Filesalso RP'd with me in a lot of other alts. His main Amber alt wandered -- he was Julian for a while (I believe -- my memory is spotty) and was authoring lots of storylines. The Dresden files came out of a creative writing class he was taking at the time.

I also played PernMUSH, which may cancel out the coolness of AmberMUSH, except you can pretend that Pern was just a Shadow. Yea, that's it.
 
2007-10-13 08:05:06 PM  
It just pisses me off to the point of asspoading that people let themselves get so farkin fat that they can't carry their own weight and have to bogart the farking electric chairs at the stores.

My wife has a freind like that. Only problem is, she can't fit in to the damn things in most of the stores. THis woman is so freakin lazy, when she wants to visit the wife, she pulls up in front and blows the friggin horn because she won't get her fat ass out to walk 25 feet to the friggen door.

/nuff rant
//So sorry
 
2007-10-13 08:05:35 PM  
My sister would complain about the fatties where she used to work who would walk side by side in the hallway blocking it completely for someone who was trying to walk the other direction. She'd have to turn sideways to get past them. They would refuse to move out of the way so that she could get past, and would give her dirty looks in the process.

/If you're biking 80 miles a week and not losing weight, you're probably eating too much.
 
2007-10-13 08:06:49 PM  
I get really tired of hearing about all these fat ass idiots making excuses for themselves. I had twins 3 yrs ago and I am not overweight. I watched my diet and I am very active.
If you sit your ass at home watching television and stuffing your piggy face with chips then what do you expect is going to happen?
I point and laugh at all these hippos. They don't deserve respect because apparently they don't respect themselves.
 
2007-10-13 08:09:42 PM  
WTF was with that link? Lame subby
 
2007-10-13 08:10:49 PM  
rynthetyn: My sister would complain about the fatties where she used to work who would walk side by side in the hallway blocking it completely for someone who was trying to walk the other direction. She'd have to turn sideways to get past them. They would refuse to move out of the way so that she could get past, and would give her dirty looks in the process.

/If you're biking 80 miles a week and not losing weight, you're probably eating too much.


Really? Wow, thanks for the advice. It never occurred to me.

Just kidding. I eat about 2000 calories a day, which is supposed to be 'standard'. I'm in good shape, low BP, good cholesterol ratio, and have a missing pituitary gland (yes, had head MRI, it's gone). Heart rate is steady and slow at rest. Nothing with me seems to be wrong except for things like thyroid and other stuff my endocrinologist has got a handle on.

What's "wrong" with me? From my point of view, nothing really. :)
 
2007-10-13 08:11:03 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I have come to the (kind of sadly obvious) conclusion that the whole "fattie" bashing thing is a Farkism because farkers don't want to look down at their own waistline and are comforted by the fact that they're not as fat as the people pictured, who should suffer as a scapegoat for their own excesses.

Yeah, no. We're just appalled at the laziness of people who use motorized carts when they are capable of shopping without them, or those who have put themselves in that position through irresponsibility.

Anyone who's been to Disney in the last 5 years understands.

We don't have a problem with fat people, we have a problem with fat, lazy, entitled people.
 
2007-10-13 08:11:25 PM  
/Oh wait it was rants and raves

Yeah they let whatever any douche says in there as long as it's angry enough
 
2007-10-13 08:12:06 PM  
Redheadedcutie: I get really tired of hearing about all these fat ass idiots making excuses for themselves. I had twins 3 yrs ago and I am not overweight. I watched my diet and I am very active.
If you sit your ass at home watching television and stuffing your piggy face with chips then what do you expect is going to happen?
I point and laugh at all these hippos. They don't deserve respect because apparently they don't respect themselves.


Stay classy.
 
2007-10-13 08:12:41 PM  
First there were LOLCATS, and Farkers everywhere were pleased.
Can LOLFATS be far behind?

/teehee, yes i said behind
 
2007-10-13 08:13:14 PM  
I am usually dead tired after walking just 30 minutes on hard granite floors of the mall.

/people won't fatigue, will linger around longer, buy more.

/need to start looking into writing up a business proposal for renting electric carts to weary mall shoppers.
 
2007-10-13 08:13:22 PM  
Batewoman: Articles making fun of fatties sell these days, I guess. When will you farkers get sick of all the propaganda? I've never seen a grocery store out of the little rolling shopping carts. This guy is being a douchebag and he's getting attention because it gave the reporter what he felt was a legitimate excuse to bash fatties.

Also just because somebody riding on one of those carts is fat doesn't mean they're doing it because they're fat. They could be doing it because they have MS, ALS, a heart condition, knee problems, hip problems, or back problems. Some of those things could be caused by being fat or they could be unrelated.

Just seeing a fat person on a rolling cart doesn't mean they're taking it from handicapped people just because they don't want to walk any more than a black guy walking down a street at night is definitely there to steal your purse.


Some people also see a difference between a lazy fatass and a fatass who is apparently just supposed to be fatter than the popular conception of beauty wants to imply. I know a number of both, as well as people who became fat after serious injury forced a major life change on them; A friend, who had been a figure skater for most of her life, suffered huge failure in both meniscus and was pretty much crippled for a year by that, and the depression which followed. She went from an athletic 145# to well over 200# in a dramatically short period. While she still struggles with weight issues, her knees have had major reconstructive work and she walks everywhere within five miles of her home.

People who can't or won't see the difference either suffer from a lack of empathy or have never known or cared about a person dealing with weight related health and/or emotional issues.

There do seem to be more lazy people in general walking (well, not walking I guess) around these days and there are also more fat people in general these days. So of course the number of fat lazy people is going to go up proportionally.
 
2007-10-13 08:14:10 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

Holy crap! Just read your profile...you're Lilith on T.O.? I a'member you!!

Nice to read you again!!
 
2007-10-13 08:14:23 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: The problem is that when fat people get to a certain weight there is *very little that can be done* short of weight loss surgery or severe caloric restriction because exercise is impossible.


Sorry, no. They can get in the pool. Water excercise works for all but the bed-ridden. You can break a hell of a sweat in the pool without the stress on the joints. Or there are chair aerobics. Lie on your back and lift the pepsi cans up and down if you can't manage anything else.

Ask a physical therapist who has experience with the morbidly obese (and these days that would be most of them.) There is always some sort of exercise that can be done.

Here are some more ideas:



Link

(sorry- these next links no linky)

http://ezinearticles.com/?Isometrics-Is-The-Perfect-Exercise-For-The-Morbidly-Ob ese&id=561883

http://www.myfooddiary.com/resources/ask_the_expert/starting_exercise_obese.asp
 
2007-10-13 08:14:32 PM  
Is today Faturday?
 
2007-10-13 08:14:35 PM  
BleedPinstripes: Subby should DIAF for what that link just did to my browser. Not cool.

Thank goodness for trend micro pc-cillin. It asked me what the hell I was doing opening that page and told me never to try that again.

Carts are good for the reasons mentioned: not all handicapped folks are in wheelchairs, and a wheelchair doesn't have a basket. Of course, almost as scary as the obese folks on the carts was the one I saw pushing a cart who was bent over double resting her top half on the handle as she pushed it. I guess she just couldn't hold herself upright. Going back to that whole "where's the embarrassment?" question there...
 
2007-10-13 08:19:43 PM  
I am a cripple and seeing fatties using the carts annoys me to no end. I have a prosthetic leg and walk now while shopping but there was a 3 months period where I had no left leg and couldn't use a prosthesis; those carts were a God send for me. If I now have a sore on my stump that makes walking difficult I will use an electric cart but if I go shopping (especially at WalMart or the grocery store) I will see some 300+ pounder oozing over the seat of the cart.
/Don't EVEN get me started about sitting beside a porker on an airplane
//Fat, sweaty and smelly is no way to go through life, son....
 
2007-10-13 08:19:44 PM  
Steezy:

Yeah, no. We're just appalled at the laziness of people who use motorized carts when they are capable of shopping without them, or those who have put themselves in that position through irresponsibility.

Anyone who's been to Disney in the last 5 years understands.

We don't have a problem with fat people, we have a problem with fat, lazy, entitled people.


When I rode around in one of those carts after my knee surgery, I was irritated at how slow the damn thing was going (it was working fine, it was just supposed to be that slow). I doubt very much that any sane thinking human being will say "I think I'll take this very slow annoying limited piece of crap even if I'm capable of jaunting around this grocery store on my own". Kids taking joyrides, sure, but a fat person who's riding the cart is doing so probably because something, somewhere, hurts or they've got pulmonary problems or worse.

There are probably only a few percentage of the people who use the carts at the stores who are using them because they're 'lazy'.

Second, if they're super-obese, it's doubtful that they're that way because of "irresponsibility" as an adult. Most super-obese people were fat kids. Getting them back to a place they never were is hard. I've been working at it most of my life.

Anyway, the stereotype of a lazy superobese entitled person is a myth as much as it's a scapegoat.
 
2007-10-13 08:20:25 PM  
WTFDYW: My wife has a freind like that. Only problem is, she can't fit in to the damn things in most of the stores. THis woman is so freakin lazy, when she wants to visit the wife, she pulls up in front and blows the friggin horn because she won't get her fat ass out to walk 25 feet to the friggen door.

My grandfather does this, although instead of honking his horn, he calls ahead of time to let us know that he's coming over. He also had/has polio, complete with snazzy leg brace. So yes, if he actually felt comfortable going into a store, I would prefer he was in one of the carts, but the man is so damn stubborn that he'd rather walk. Strangely enough, many people think we have the same personality traits. I take this as a compliment.
 
2007-10-13 08:20:50 PM  
Redheadedcutie: I get really tired of hearing about all these fat ass idiots making excuses for themselves. I had twins 3 yrs ago and I am not overweight. I watched my diet and I am very active.
If you sit your ass at home watching television and stuffing your piggy face with chips then what do you expect is going to happen?
I point and laugh at all these hippos. They don't deserve respect because apparently they don't respect themselves.


Lacking photographic evidence to substantiate this you're probably a 58 y/o dude with brown teeth.

And even if you are as you say here, so what? I know fatties who could run you into the ground as far as health and stamina goes. What you might deem excess-fat is just genetic stuff. You do get that some people benefit from good genes, right? Or do you think that smoking prodigious amounts of weed and playing the bongos nude and surfing twice a week is why Matthew McConaughey has the body he has?
 
2007-10-13 08:21:25 PM  
Why don't we pass a law?

Must have a handicapped card from the doctor, just like the parking permits.
 
2007-10-13 08:21:27 PM  
I started noticing the monopolization of the electric carts by hefty bags awhile back. At first, going into Walmart around 2 in the morning, I'd spot this guy who worked there with kind of a bum leg starting to cruise around in one, but the demand, naturally, was low at that time of the day.

Going in during regular business hours I spotted this frickin'enormous white guy hogging one and spilling flab out over the sides. He was so big, he pretty well clogged every aisle he went down. However, he managed to walk into the store on his own power.

The, for a time, these loud, obese black women grabbed up every scooter they could and plowed their way through the store, stopping to clog up aisles as they gossiped loudly with acquaintances they happened to meet along the way.

Shortly after, the merely fat and lazy grabbed the carts and enjoyed parking in the middle of aisles to study merchandise. I'd spot these little old men and women using walkers to come into the store and wonder why fat arses didn't have the courtesy to walk off some poundage and leave the carts for these folks with real physical problems.

Now and then, I'd be outside and watch a heavily laden car park and disgorge something far too fat that would stump up into the store and grab a scooter. When leaving, they'd drive the thing back out to their car, load up their goods and take off, leaving the scooter out there for a harassed and busy employee to recover.

I suspect that the over advertised 'Turn Around' electric scooter on TV would not hold their weight.

Too much fried chicken, thickening gravy, biscuits, candy, cookies and coated deep fried everything.

At first I was sympathetic, until I started having to avoid clogged aisles, move out of the way of a scooter full of passenger spill over, fight to get past a loud gabfest in the middle of a crowded aisle or go around a section and approach it from the back to get an item.

Now I think they need to start having to show a handicapped tag to use the scooters and, if their weight is double the Medical Standard, have to pay a small fee.

I went to Walmart today and stood by my car as I was leaving and gazed out over the parking lot. It came as a shock to realize that there were no cute women around. Every one which went into or came out of the store was overweight, plump, or very fat, usually with that mean expression that develops as the facial muscles pull down from the extra weight. I felt very sorry for the cute little girls who danced alongside momma whale, who dressed in manlike baggy cloths and looked anything but sexy, because in a few years, their chances of turning into tubs was over 75%.

Those tight, bell bottomed jeans do not look all that good on young girls when the 'muffin top' is pronounced enough to begin sliding towards the bottom.

I hopped into my car and left, feeling quite disappointed and wondering what city all of the pretty women had moved to.
 
2007-10-13 08:22:27 PM  
buckler: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

Holy crap! Just read your profile...you're Lilith on T.O.? I a'member you!!

Nice to read you again!!


Hi! Yes, I occasionally come into Fark and hang around and read and comment on threads where someone invokes me with "some fat TFette says she cycles 200 miles a week and doesn't lose weight!" though I do blog now instead of post to TO. I should post to TO more often (hangs head in shame).

Who are you on TO?
 
2007-10-13 08:23:11 PM  
I saw a guy this morn at the grocery store, waddle in, and set himself in a motorized cart. He was wearing a tarp/poncho and had to weigh at least 400 pounds. I am not exaggerating one ounce.

First thing I thought was, "That is a whole lot of self-hate going on there."

Second thought was, "I sure am glad I take care of little old people. I'd break my aching back trying to move that."
 
2007-10-13 08:24:25 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

I also played PernMUSH, which may cancel out the coolness of AmberMUSH, except you can pretend that Pern was just a Shadow. Yea, that's it.

Sorry dude, dragons are teh gay. No Amberite or Chaos Lord/Lady would walk or hellride to Pern, even Julian with his fruity white armor would laugh at that realm.


/nerdgasm, splooge.
 
2007-10-13 08:24:40 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: buckler: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

Holy crap! Just read your profile...you're Lilith on T.O.? I a'member you!!

Nice to read you again!!

Hi! Yes, I occasionally come into Fark and hang around and read and comment on threads where someone invokes me with "some fat TFette says she cycles 200 miles a week and doesn't lose weight!" though I do blog now instead of post to TO. I should post to TO more often (hangs head in shame).

Who are you on TO?


Err..."Buckler". Though I haven't posted or read in a good long while. I kinda miss the monkey-house, though. I still get all weepy when I think of Ed Conrad.
 
2007-10-13 08:27:32 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

I eat about 2000 calories a day, which is supposed to be 'standard'.


Bingo. There's your problem. Just because they base percent daily value estimates on a 2000 calorie diet does not mean that everyone should be eating 2000 calories a day. If you can't lose weight while riding 80 miles a week and eating a 2000 calorie diet, then you're eating too many calories.
 
2007-10-13 08:27:39 PM  
How about, instead of carts, giant hamster balls for humans to roll around in?

(Waits for the "you better talk to the male hamsters first" jokes)
 
2007-10-13 08:28:09 PM  
i hate fat people, lazy bastards.
 
2007-10-13 08:30:21 PM  
buckler:

Err..."Buckler". Though I haven't posted or read in a good long while. I kinda miss the monkey-house, though. I still get all weepy when I think of Ed Conrad.


Who doesn't get weepy over a guy who thinks humans walked the earth with dinosaurs?

It's kind of fallen off my radar lately because I moved out of industry into academia. Though I visit on occasion and still see Harshman and others trying to reason with the IDers. And then of course, Hovind's whole law suit thing was an interesting thing to watch.

Was there something with EC I missed somewhere?
 
2007-10-13 08:31:23 PM  
Are you mentally crippled? Leave Jacksonville.
 
2007-10-13 08:34:31 PM  
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: buckler:

Err..."Buckler". Though I haven't posted or read in a good long while. I kinda miss the monkey-house, though. I still get all weepy when I think of Ed Conrad.

Who doesn't get weepy over a guy who thinks humans walked the earth with dinosaurs?

It's kind of fallen off my radar lately because I moved out of industry into academia. Though I visit on occasion and still see Harshman and others trying to reason with the IDers. And then of course, Hovind's whole law suit thing was an interesting thing to watch.

Was there something with EC I missed somewhere?


Not that I know of. I just get nostalgic for the laughs he gave me with his "Man as old as COAL!" routine. "Look...this hunk of coal looks sort of like a nose...so it IS a nose, which belonged to a nine-foot-tall human during the carboniferous period! And look, here's his screwdriver!"

Good times.

Oh, and I'm sure he uses the electric cart when he shouldn't, so it's not a threadjack.
 
2007-10-13 08:35:10 PM  
rynthetyn: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

I eat about 2000 calories a day, which is supposed to be 'standard'.

Bingo. There's your problem. Just because they base percent daily value estimates on a 2000 calorie diet does not mean that everyone should be eating 2000 calories a day. If you can't lose weight while riding 80 miles a week and eating a 2000 calorie diet, then you're eating too many calories.


The problem is that it is pretty impossible to calculate to any degree of certainty what your BMR is. Harris-Benedict uses multipliers like "light activity" and "heavily active" to calculate. These have a lot of wiggle room. If it were exact, we would be able to calculate exactly how much someone should weigh after a week based on calorie intact and BMR.

A lot of it is a crapshoot - people that pull the whole calories in
 
2007-10-13 08:35:18 PM  
rynthetyn: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

I eat about 2000 calories a day, which is supposed to be 'standard'.

Bingo. There's your problem. Just because they base percent daily value estimates on a 2000 calorie diet does not mean that everyone should be eating 2000 calories a day. If you can't lose weight while riding 80 miles a week and eating a 2000 calorie diet, then you're eating too many calories.


Yes, I know that. So does my /doctor/. :)

I'll also mention here that I'm a scientist who regularly works on the study of biological systems. I know how energy mechanics work. It's not that I don't appreciate how you're trying to help out here, but I'm not asking for help with the obvious.

I also know that if I drop below 2000 calories, I get dizzy, ill, sick, cannot exercise. I was on a 1200-1500 calorie a day diet where I lost a chunk of weight. I lost some weight and then stopped the diet. I kept most of the weight off, however, with exercise. I know that I will lose weight if I start cutting drastically, but I also know how sick I get, and I won't do that to myself again.

Also, just so you know, I never said I am desperate to lose weight. I said I cycle a lot and don't lose weight. I've toyed with the idea of weight loss surgery but I just can't get into the justification for it since I'm in such good health otherwise.
 
2007-10-13 08:36:21 PM  
Weird....Fark cut off the post when I put in a


A lot of it is a crapshoot - people that pull the whole calories in is greater than calories out thing here on Fark don't really get that calculating that calories out part ain't so easy. Even some direct studies using calorimetry show this.
 
2007-10-13 08:37:55 PM  
Well, there's only one solution. Since the crips and the fatties can't play together nicely, we'll take away all the handicapped spaces and carts and ramps.

/Same solution most people want for guns, right?
 
2007-10-13 08:39:14 PM  
logruszed: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:

I also played PernMUSH, which may cancel out the coolness of AmberMUSH, except you can pretend that Pern was just a Shadow. Yea, that's it.

Sorry dude, dragons are teh gay. No Amberite or Chaos Lord/Lady would walk or hellride to Pern, even Julian with his fruity white armor would laugh at that realm.


/nerdgasm, splooge.


What's worse was that I was a Gold rider and headed up my own Weyr. But, there were some good times -- none of us took it all that seriously except for the geeks who wanted to keep the dragonriders strictly for the super-great RPers and would freak out if someone who didn't have a ton of testosterone or a Shakespearian RP style got a bronze.

Amber was much more sane. And dragons were like carts. Yea, that's it.
 
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