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(CNN)   CNN, ever the example of responsible journalism, announces that scalpers steal joy from children. As the main headline. On their front page   (cnn.com) divider line 119
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2007-10-12 08:07:28 PM
There is a way , at least to some degree that, an artist CAN control ticket sales and distribution. Rascal Flatts are huge now, and sell out all their shows, but also give their fans a chance to score VIP concert tickets if they are members of the fan club. I saw them three weeks ago, had row 17 seats for less than $75 per ticket. The fan club alerts members to upcoming concert dates, and when 500 pairs of VIP seats will be on sale. My seats were better than my friends tickets, and cost less, even with the cost of a fan club membership.
 
2007-10-12 08:12:44 PM
^ You paid to see Rascal Flatts. Dumbass.
 
2007-10-12 08:13:26 PM
Apparently, a lot of people these days think paying inflated prices for tickets is acceptable. It's not. Scalping should be outlawed. I wish more news outlets would push this story.
 
2007-10-12 08:13:32 PM
It's kind of disingenuous to refer to this as the "free market at work" because what is really happening here is a form of market failure - that is that one buyer (or group of buyers) has disproportionate buying power and control over prices.

Scalpers buy hundreds of tickets that they will never use, thus creating an artificial shortage. It is quite possible that these concerts would not always sell out, and there would be a ticket available at market price for every fan, if scalpers did not engage in this type of mass buying.

In a true "free market" situation, if scalpers were not able to sell all the tickets, they would start offering them at lower and lower prices until they were able to get rid of them. Speaking from experience, though, I can tell you that this isn't what happens. Scalpers sell as many tickets as they can as quickly as possible, and on the day of the show, if there are any unsold tickets, if the scalper has made a profit, the extras go right in the trash.
 
2007-10-12 08:15:24 PM
I'm fairly certain this was a problem long before this tour. It's only now that little rich kids are being denied a concert going experience that attention is being drawn to the problem.
 
2007-10-12 08:17:50 PM
Well, looks like someone thought of the children. I hate TicketBastard like I hate the Devil. More than.
 
2007-10-12 08:19:40 PM
Maybe these kids will learn to appreciate good music earlier than they would have.
 
2007-10-12 08:21:29 PM
Sigh. What has become of my once beloved CNN?

At least I have my podcasts now.
 
2007-10-12 08:23:30 PM
pages.prodigy.net

Damn it I just realized I paid $500 for Hannah Barbera tickets.

/heavens to mergatroyd
//exit, stage right
 
2007-10-12 08:23:49 PM
Wow...I showed up figuring I'd get banned for doing a "hit it " comment....


\\The power of FARK
\\\\slashies
 
2007-10-12 08:26:25 PM
Nestea Plunge: That's the breaks, kid. There are plenty of shows I would like to have seen, and was priced out of.

My daughter got her tickets, so this isn't coming from a ticked off parent. I'm not going. My wife is.

The way I see it my taxes pay for that new arena we have and it damn well better make ticket availability equitable. Either that or tax the crap out of these scalpers.

mmm... pancake: Actually the whole situation highlights the danger of setting prices below the actual market value. Result? People hoard the goods. In fact, this situation is a perfect example of why anti-"price gouging" laws are an inherently bad idea.

They are artificially creating the demand by buying up all the tickets through illegal means (hacking Ticketmasters' site). I would agree with you if everyone was on equal footing when it came to getting tickets, but it simply is not the case.

The_one_with_that_guy: Never said I was proud of it, just sayin if you relaxed child labor laws you wouldn't have this be such a big issue.

And going to a Britney Spears concert is definitely not high up there on the things I shoud be ashamed of ladder.


I'd hate to see the skeletons in your closet if that's not at least toward the top of the ladder.

\Went to Rick Springfield twice as a teen, but at least he wasn't lip syncing.
 
2007-10-12 08:28:08 PM
Vorpal: Damn it I just realized I paid $500 for Hannah Barbera tickets.

/heavens to mergatroyd
//exit, stage right


Win
 
2007-10-12 08:31:01 PM
Agnosto: I'd hit it!

img.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-12 08:31:10 PM
douchebag thread!

/CNN or scalper?
 
2007-10-12 08:34:48 PM
This obviously shouldn't be front page news, but I don't understand the apparent acceptance of scalpers in this thread. Scalpers suck, and I wish ticketmaster or whatever would put a 4 tickets per purchase or something limit on that crap.
 
2007-10-12 08:39:17 PM
There irony for you. Subby points out the ridiculousness of CNN making this their top story... and then Farkers get into a debate about the subject as if it really was that important.

Hello? People? There's a war on!!! A couple of them, in fact. Al Gore just won the Nobel for talking about how to world is turning into a firey pit of damnation -- and how the polar bears are crying! (Won't someone please think of the polar bears???)

Something-or-other's going on in Darfur. (I think. That's still going on, isn't it?) I'm not sure what exactly, but it's supposed to be something important about dead people and injustice and stuff. Plus the ice queen, the handsome black dude, the bald mayor and some Mormon guy are running for president, with a bunch of other politicians nobody cares about. Oh yeah, and that Law & Order Guy. And they're having their umpteeninth millionth debate. And... well...

Dammit, Princess Di and Anna Nicole are still dead! Will Britney get her kids back????? Inquiring minds want to know!! How can they focus us Hannah-whoever-jailbait-hell-yeah-I'd-hit-it when... um...

What was I talking about again?


/sad thing is, I was serious when I started this post
//then realized I really don't know what Darfur's about
///and really don't care about the debates or Gore
////and really would hit it
//I'm gonna go GIS "hannah montana nude OR fakes" now
//and reserve my window seat
 
2007-10-12 08:45:00 PM
1) Sell 10% of the tickets on an eBay dutch auction ending more than 10 days before the event

2) repeat nine more times, with the ending date closer to the event

3) enjoy capitalism

If there's too much demand, scalpers get cut out of the loop. Too little demand and late buyers get cheap tickets.
 
2007-10-12 08:45:49 PM
CNN has at least 10 headline stories a day, that's over 3600 a year. One on ticker scalpers is not out of line. The fact that it's this girls tour is almost beside the point. All hot tours are going to be this way now that the scum bag scalpers have a way of "jumping line". Which by the way would get them a nice beat down in the good old days of camping out for rock tickets.
I'm all for free market, but make sure the playing field is even. I say do it the way Garth Brooks did his last tour. No pre-sell. On the day the tickets went on sale, every one that showed up before 9am got a number. At 9:30 they pulled a number at random, the person with that number was first in line and everyone else was lined up according to their number. No reason to camp. No way of getting ahead in line. 4 ticket max. Almost no scalping went on.
 
2007-10-12 08:45:53 PM
It's not news, it's people taking shiat way too seriously .com
 
2007-10-12 08:46:28 PM
I pay market price for everything else, including bread, milk, cars and nookie at 13th and Chicon. Why would concert tickets be any different??
 
2007-10-12 08:49:36 PM
Jesus.

I remember when growing up we actually had to learn lessons about life.... Like you don't always get what you want
 
2007-10-12 08:53:39 PM
"... If the tickets go to brokers, then they pay a lot of money for them. And if the brokers are going to end up with the tickets, then the artist should get paid for them,"

Why should the record company be paid by someone who already paid the record company what the record company deeded fit to charge? This isn't meant to be a troll. Okay, so the record company sells a limited item that has very high demand at far below true market value and are SHOCKED to find that people are essentially buying the item wholesale turn around and sell them at their true market value. I see no problem with this what so ever.

If you want to make sure the "true fan" gets the ticket at the price you want, do it randomized lottery style or one at a time from physical locations. If you sell something to someone, don't biatch and moan when they make more profit from it than you are. If you want to make sure the ticket goes "in the right hands" stop selling them in mass through automated systems and instead put them in the hands you want them. Don't be lazy and blame the scalpers.
 
2007-10-12 08:57:17 PM
JackerCrack - There irony for you. Subby points out the ridiculousness of CNN making this their top story... and then Farkers get into a debate about the subject as if it really was that important...

Dammit, Princess Di and Anna Nicole are still dead! Will Britney get her kids back????? Inquiring minds want to know!! How can they focus us Hannah-whoever-jailbait-hell-yeah-I'd-hit-it when... um...

What was I talking about again?

/sad thing is, I was serious when I started this post
//then realized I really don't know what Darfur's about
///and really don't care about the debates or Gore
////and really would hit it
//I'm gonna go GIS "hannah montana nude OR fakes" now
//and reserve my window seat




Yep, the very same people who complain in any thread about how trivial the topic is and how stupid people are for talking about it, will be creaming their jeans in another thread about sports, or cars, or Harry Potter, or Halo 3, or case-mods, or whatever the hell it is that they're into.

That's not to say that the media hasn't fallen down on the job and given a bit too much time over to fluff, but unfortunately, they're delivering what the market wants.

They could run all the serious news they wanted 24/7, but if people don't care and don't watch, it doesn't make a bit of difference.

It's like when I used to work at a multiplex and we'd always get the oodles of beret-wearing clove smoking faux intellectuals who'd biatch about all the pop crap and the fact that we never showed any foreign/indie/art films... So, the chain I worked for started booking them, and devoted one house per theater to those movies for nearly a year...

I bet you can guess how full those theaters were. Even the "art-fags" didn't show up for them.

We all like to biatch and complain and point self-righteous fingers, but the reality is that, collectively speaking, we're getting exactly the country we want, the only one we'll buy.
 
2007-10-12 09:03:07 PM
Some editor or news director couldn't get tickets.

WAHHHHH!!!
 
2007-10-12 09:11:55 PM
Is stealing joy another way of saying taking someone's virginity?
 
2007-10-12 09:15:09 PM
JackerCrack:

... So, the chain I worked for started booking them, and devoted one house per theater to those movies for nearly a year...

I bet you can guess how full those theaters were. Even the "art-fags" didn't show up for them.

We all like to biatch and complain and point self-righteous fingers, but the reality is that, collectively speaking, we're getting exactly the country we want, the only one we'll buy.


Aw, come on. Even here in art-indifferent Atlanta we still have a couple of indy theaters... you talkin' a plex in the burbs?
 
2007-10-12 09:25:13 PM
Were_Outta_Bort_License_Plates - Aw, come on. Even here in art-indifferent Atlanta we still have a couple of indy theaters... you talkin' a plex in the burbs?

Yep.
 
2007-10-12 09:29:39 PM
I'm going to the Ted Leo show tomorrow night. I'm on the guest list.

/just sayin'
 
2007-10-12 09:31:36 PM
A lot lil MILF I'm dating called me almost in tears 'cause she promised her daughter the concert.

I pulled the "dont worry baby... let big daddy get you some front rows" hoping for beejs up to, during and after the concert.

Called my ticket broker---- $6,000 for front-row tix here in Atlanta?!?!?!?!?. But was still a little emasculating to call her back and say "errmmm no can do babe"

/$6k=100s of beejs from hotter women than her.
 
2007-10-12 09:32:50 PM
Nuno311: A lot lil MILF I'm dating called me almost in tears 'cause she promised her daughter the concert.

I pulled the "dont worry baby... let big daddy get you some front rows" hoping for beejs up to, during and after the concert.

Called my ticket broker---- $6,000 for front-row tix here in Atlanta?!?!?!?!?. But was still a little emasculating to call her back and say "errmmm no can do babe"

/$6k=100s of beejs from hotter women than her.


"lot"="hot"

/not into the fatties
 
2007-10-12 09:41:48 PM
CreepyBasementGuy: I paid 90 bucks, triple the face value, for a Slayer show.
When I got home, I noticed the tickets said "Slaughter".


Karma's a biatch, dude.
 
2007-10-12 09:57:03 PM
In other news, this thread needs more pix.

"Miley Cyrus, A.K.A. Hannah Montana, Supports Vanessa Hudgens' Naked Pictures In More Ways Than One" Link [pops, sorta SFW, bikini shot only]

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"Miley Cyrus Vows Virginity Until Marriage... Just Like The Young Britney Spears" Link [pops, SFW]

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Seriously, dude, she's 14! Let's zoom in a little:

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Madre de dios.

How much were those tickets again?

/shooting for a first class seat
 
2007-10-12 10:21:49 PM
I like SNATCH so I'm getting a kick of these...
 
2007-10-12 10:35:01 PM
Fat Elvis or skinny Elvis?
 
2007-10-12 10:38:55 PM
Okay, so who's got a link to the Miley Cyrus "countdown-to-legality" page?

There's got to be one ...

/perv
//and proud of it
 
2007-10-12 10:46:29 PM
I just wanted to say - Ticket Scalpers must die.

I got priced out of the last 4 concerts my wife and I wanted to see. It's farking ridiculous, I've basically given up on ever going to see anything more popular than Zamfir, "Master of the Pan Flute".

As far as I can tell the industry totally supports ticket scalping because it would be incredibly easy to make it so that if you bought a ticket on-line/over the phone, you'd have to show your credit card that you bought the ticket with to get in.

That's how it works in a lot of places, like pretty much every joint in Las Vegas.
 
2007-10-12 11:05:04 PM
www.redhotjazz.com

All I can think of when I hear her name...


/now THAT'S obscure
//I'm a 26-year-old fogey
///get off my lawn
 
2007-10-12 11:09:11 PM
two things come to mind...

1) tell the kids no and that they need to get used to disappointment. there will be a lot of it in their miserable little lives

2) a complete and total ban on the resell of any tickets outside of those offered by the official ticketing agent of the event and the price can only be the listed event price and not one dime over. make the punishment for violation a mandatory 5 years in PMITA prison and a $250K fine per ticket.

the object is to punish offenders to the point that they will never do it again.

if you had strict punishment, or executions, for child molesters, you'd have fewer of them.

and that is my point.
 
2007-10-12 11:13:37 PM
I'd say they're saving them a trip to the shrink when they're older because they won't look back and hate what they've done.
 
2007-10-12 11:18:01 PM
these companies that get mass tickets and resale them suck!@!!

we really need to go back to the camping in line for tickets, and limited amount that can be bought...

sadly, no-one knows about the problem, or doesn't care because the news doesn't mention it all...finally now they do, and everyone is biatching about it!

it's pointless trying to go to a big show at all.... tickets are sold out in 10 minutes, and you have to pay over 100$ no matter the artist..

thank god for the underground hiphop/dance scene in the bay area...
 
2007-10-12 11:22:20 PM
boo farkin hoo
 
2007-10-12 11:23:15 PM
I hate spending $200-300 on a ticket and when I get it in the mail seeing the $50 price it would normally cost if I didn't have to go through the system.

Scalpers suck and should DIAF.
 
2007-10-12 11:45:40 PM
I find it amusing to hear soccer parents biatching about capitalism working. Don't want to be raped by Ticketmaster? Go support local, indie bands. You may hear something new, and the cheap tickets leave enough in your pocketbook to buy more booze- which is where venues truly recoup dollars.
 
2007-10-12 11:53:18 PM
Makes me glad that the bands I like aren't that well known.
 
2007-10-13 12:01:40 AM
technicolor-misfit: Yayy, another thread for douchebags to attention whore their preening and oh so audacious callousness... C'mon Randroids, dazzle me with your slavish devotion to a moronic psuedo-philosophy!

I swear libertarians and objectivists are like the right's version of the Che' t-shirt wearing douchebags.

"Look at me!!! Look at me!!! All I care about is the sanctity of the market!!! MarketMarketMarket!!! Isn't that just crazy?!?!? Am I not blowing your MIIINNNNNDDDD?!?!?!"

It's freaking goth for republicans.


What are you talking about? Its not just the Objectivists and Libertarians who think this is a big joke, its everybody! The whining minority here are the people who say the kid deserved to get the tickets because he had cancer or something. You know what that kid really deserves? Not getting cancer. But he's gunna get that cancer anyways and thats just sort of the way life is sometimes, nothing particularly Randian or libertarian about it.
 
2007-10-13 12:20:07 AM
Trip0 - I hate spending $200-300 on a ticket and when I get it in the mail seeing the $50 price it would normally cost if I didn't have to go through the system.

Scalpers suck and should DIAF.


They just might if you'd quit giving them $200-300 for a ticket.

(okay, maybe they won't die in a fire... but they'll have to get real jobs instead of being bottom-feeding parasites.)

Better scalping laws/enforcement, a better system from Ticketmaster, etc. etc.... those would be great safeguards and all, but they would be completely unnecessary if people would just say to themselves "Hey, maybe I CAN live without seeing this Justin Timberlake show... Maybe I WON'T curl up in a ball and die if I don't get to see the show."
 
2007-10-13 12:34:41 AM
It's all hollywood.
It's all about entertainment.
It's all hype bullshiat, solely designed to filter as much money as they can from you.
They teach this stuff in business school all the time.
You did see the memo, right?
 
2007-10-13 12:35:13 AM
kindpastor - What are you talking about? Its not just the Objectivists and Libertarians who think this is a big joke, its everybody! The whining minority here are the people who say the kid deserved to get the tickets because he had cancer or something. You know what that kid really deserves? Not getting cancer. But he's gunna get that cancer anyways and thats just sort of the way life is sometimes, nothing particularly Randian or libertarian about it.

I care less about what the kids don't get than I do about what the scalpers DO get... They're bottom-feeding scum. They're not clever or shrewd or innovative or whatever... They're just exploitative, and it shouldn't be rewarded.

I sgree that any parent who shells out for this crap is a farking moron... much better to teach the kid that they can survive the disappointment... and all the adults who pony up in a similar manner for shows THEY want to see were probably raised and overindulged by the same kind of morons.

Probably much of what's wrong with our country today boils down to this moronic "butIhafta" consumerism.

There used to be a time when people had some degree of pride in NOT letting themselves get farked... and would be ashamed of allowing themselves to be taken. It seems it's been replaced by pride in unflinching consumerism. "Whatever man! whatever... whatever the cost, I'll pay it... 'Cause I'm so totally NOT gonna let Ricky Martin come to my town and NOT see him shake his bon-bon live!!! How owuld I even live with myself or look at myself in the mirror?!?!?"
 
2007-10-13 12:37:18 AM
It's not news, it's CNN.
 
2007-10-13 12:48:30 AM
TwistedFark: As far as I can tell the industry totally supports ticket scalping because it would be incredibly easy to make it so that if you bought a ticket on-line/over the phone, you'd have to show your credit card that you bought the ticket with to get in.

What I think is that they are actually taking kickbacks from the big ticket brokers. This makes it so that they can effectively raise prices to the "market" price without appearing to do so. But it raises the question of why Ticketmaster is needed at all; why not just sell directly through the brokers and let them charge whatever they want if that's the way they can make the most money? I guess the advantage of working through Ticketmaster and paying kickbacks for the privilege is that you can then monopolize the market by signing exclusivity deals with all the venues.

It would be nice if we had a government that cared at all about enforcing antitrust laws. The combo of Ticketmaster + the venues + the ticket brokers smells a lot like a trust/cartel to me.
 
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