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(Time)   Jenna Bush isn't suited to fight in Iraq. Oh, and it appears she has read Drew's book   (time.com) divider line 199
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2007-10-12 12:41:19 AM  
xzisted: I guess that everyone who physically can fight should? Is that correct? There are other ways of serving your country than fighting in a war. Or did you not know that?

During the Second World War unless somebody had a physical disability or was working for wartime production in some critical capacity that they were uniquely qualified to do there was a great social stigmata attached to not enlisting.

If we are indeed fighting a great war for freedom, a truly important war, then where is the negative opinion of every able bodied eligible person who has failed to enlist? What is Jenna Bush doing for this country that can't be done by anyone, even the vast majority of people who would be unfit for military service because of some form of physical impairment could do what she does.

Not an hour should go by that we are not confronted by the fact that we are at war. We should be called upon to make great sacrifices, as we have in past wars. Perhaps if we were not allowed to ignore it we would have ended it by now.
 
2007-10-12 12:41:30 AM  
eventhelosers:
Two of those "wars" were not like the other

dot da da daaa da dot dat dat da da



Makes no difference what the cause is if you think it's worth American lives. Some, apparently, are worth more than others.
 
2007-10-12 12:43:44 AM  
Alien Robot: "It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." --Sen. Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Nice reading comprehension skills there, Lou. Did you know that "unchecked" != "un-invaded"?

"Meh, fark Afghanistan. We'll catch bin Laden at some point. Let's invade Iraq instead. What could possibly go wrong?" --Sen. Hillary Clinton, NEVER
 
2007-10-12 12:44:57 AM  
Okay, the argument that children of powerful leaders cant serve in combat is BS.
If they and the media didn't yell so much when one of them expresses interest, no one would even know they were there.
 
2007-10-12 12:44:59 AM  
Laugh and forgive? Like he did Saddam for trying to kill his pops?
 
2007-10-12 12:45:55 AM  
Nocens:

Makes no difference what the cause is if you think it's worth American lives. Some, apparently, are worth more than others.


Yeah apparently liberals find Chelsea's life more important than say the troops that Clinton ordered be left to die in Somalia.
 
2007-10-12 12:52:11 AM  
Nocens

The only lives we risked in the Balkans were at 40,000 feet (other than the apache training missions, and of course a few logistics accidents), and in Somalia we tried to keep it to mostly a humanitarian mission. In both cases we had the support of most of the rest of the world. Something tells me there is a difference. Plus I've said it before Middle Easterners have been killing each other for thousands of years, and we ain't gonna change that. Pull the troops out, have them inspect imports, secure borders, and three months a year of training.
 
2007-10-12 12:52:52 AM  
But if people really thought about it, they would know it's not even a practical question.


Where's the wit? How can you be a writer and not give a witty answer to the Iraq war question.

img394.imageshack.us

Gore's daughter is also a writer. At least she's a lawyer and a journalist and a runner ( where is that hot pointy knees from Runner's World?)
 
2007-10-12 12:52:59 AM  
AirForceVet: Because she might die in combat like Theodore Roosevelt II did in WWII and earn the MOH?

This has nothing to do with your post, but I find it funny that under your "Sage advice from Older Man to Younger Men" it says this:

8. Don't take proffered advice without a critical analysis. 90% of all advice is intended to benefit the proponent, not the recipient. Actually, the number is probably closer to 97%, but I don't want to come off as cynical.

Funny.
 
2007-10-12 12:54:52 AM  
Brubold: I wonder if the leftists that are crying about Jenna not fighting in Iraq would also like Chelsea Clinton to be there? I mean her dad made our troops fight in Somalia and Bosnia so why shouldn't she put in her time?

Chelsea Clinton was 13 and 15, respectively, at the time those conflicts ended.
30 seconds of Wikipedia was enough to confirm this.
www.dataspew.net
 
2007-10-12 12:55:41 AM  
Brubold:
Yeah apparently liberals find Chelsea's life more important than say the troops that Clinton ordered be left to die in Somalia.



Plenty of that on both sides of the fence. But it's all a bullshiat argument in the first place.

I could imagine my father coming to me...

"You declared war on who? You want me to do what so you can look better in newspapers?" Wouldn't matter if my father was Clinton,

Carter, Bush, or Abraham farking Lincoln.

It's the kid's decision whether or not he/she believes the cause is worth their life or not regardless of daddy. Unless, of course, there's a draft going on. Then I would certainly expect to them to be the first in line and I would demand to be the first if I was the Pres' kid.
 
2007-10-12 12:55:51 AM  
AirForceVet: Because she might die in combat like Theodore Roosevelt II did in WWII and earn the MOH?

I doubt she'd die of a heart attack like Roosey did. Maybe acute alcohol poisoning.
 
2007-10-12 01:02:00 AM  
eventhelosers:
The only lives we risked in the Balkans were at 40,000 feet (other than the apache training missions, and of course a few logistics accidents), and in Somalia we tried to keep it to mostly a humanitarian mission. In both cases we had the support of most of the rest of the world. Something tells me there is a difference. Plus I've said it before Middle Easterners have been killing each other for thousands of years, and we ain't gonna change that. Pull the troops out, have them inspect imports, secure borders, and three months a year of training.



You would be wrong. Every time a President institutes military action, regardless, he's putting American lives in danger. Whether it's throwing missiles at tents or flying a bombing mission at 40'000 ft. You declare military action, you better think about it long and hard and consider those soldiers lives as equal to your kid's lives. Somehow, I don't think Clinton would have gone into Somalia if Chelsea was in one of those Humvees in Somalia nor bombed Bosnia if she was even flying a stealth.

Hillary would have killed him on the spot.
 
2007-10-12 01:02:32 AM  
CowboyNinjaD: I hate Bush, but in all fairness, she's right about it not being practical for her to serve in the military.

Look what happened with Prince Harry. If she went over there, she would be a target. Insurgents would go out of their way to attack her and anyone she was with.


You can serve in the military and not get sent to Iraq. Let's say what you're saying is true - wouldn't that be a decision for her commander(s) to make, and wouldn't they likely not put her in that position and give her a desk job, or send her to Korea/Germany at most?
 
2007-10-12 01:07:47 AM  
Not fit to serve? Nonsense, Jenna. Shut up and get into the cannon.
 
2007-10-12 01:09:39 AM  
Nocens

IMHO (and as I said most of the rest of the world from what I could tell) -
stopping Genocide = good reason to go to war
whatever the reason is now for going into Iraq != good reason to go to war

As Wesley Clark said when you go into a county and start killing people (even accidentally) you tend to piss their relatives and friends off.
 
2007-10-12 01:20:46 AM  
Nocens: I don't think Clinton would have gone into Somalia

He didn't. He inherited Somalia from Bush I.
 
2007-10-12 01:27:43 AM  
eventhelosers:
IMHO (and as I said most of the rest of the world from what I could tell) -
stopping Genocide = good reason to go to war
whatever the reason is now for going into Iraq != good reason to go to war

As Wesley Clark said when you go into a county and start killing people (even accidentally) you tend to piss their relatives and friends off.



Make all the excuses you want for it. What I said still stands.

Neither were a threat to us and they still rank in the same category as Iraq. American lives should not have been put on the line. Our military exists to protect the US, not score points on image or get involved in other country's internal problems.

You want to be a humanitarian? You go do it yourself. That's not the oath we take when enlisting.
 
2007-10-12 01:30:20 AM  
tomelkwalker: All you Jenna Bush supporters who think that she is too 'special' to serve in the military why don't you ask this guy? (p) But then holding the Navy Cross (p) and the Silver Star (p) probably disqualifies him.

WWII didn't occur in the media culture we have now, nor was there anything remotely resembling the internet in speed of passing information.

If Jenna Bush joined the military, it'd be global news in an hour. If she was deployed, that'd be global news in an hour. Her unit, role and where she was stationed would be global news in an hour.

Every insurgent in Iraq would know exactly what she looked like, where she'd be based, and they'd be gunning for her constantly. If they managed to capture her, do you know what they'd do to her?

Besides the danger to her, her presence would be a constant danger to everyone around her.

And for what? What skill does she have that is so important that you could justify sending her to Iraq?

Besides, since when do we make children pay for the actions of their parents? I doubt if Jenna Bush had much say on the decision to invade Iraq.

This whole line of reasoning strikes me of sheer pettiness from people whose hatred of George Bush has become so rabid that they've long ago stopped thinking for themselves and are now just parroting crap they've gotten from someone else.
 
2007-10-12 01:30:57 AM  
Im surprised the checkenhawks on here haven't thrown in some biblical reference to justify this oil grab in Iraq.

I still dont understand how going to some south american country to party under the pretense of doing "HIV work" (whatever the fark that is) is serving the US??
 
2007-10-12 01:33:32 AM  
HURRAY FOR THE FAILBOAT!
 
2007-10-12 01:35:56 AM  
0Icky0: Nocens: I don't think Clinton would have gone into Somalia

He didn't. He inherited Somalia from Bush I.



Don't give me that shiat. Did he pull us out of Somalia when he took office? No? Did he put some incompetent asshole in charge of determining "what our troops needed there?" Yes.

You farkers have some real blinders on when you start identifying yourself with some B/S organization. Really, who is Clinton to you exactly that he deserves this unwavering loyalty for rationalization? Same goes for Republicans and their unwavering support of Reagan.

Yea, they did some good things, they did a lot of farked up shiat too. Nobody's perfect but to either "side" these two guys might as well be sporting halos and wings.
 
2007-10-12 01:42:45 AM  
Nocens: Don't give me that shiat.

WTF? Clinton didn't go into Somalia no matter how you feel about what he did with the situation there.
 
2007-10-12 01:43:59 AM  
Elrond_Hubbard

Chelsea Clinton was 13 and 15, respectively, at the time those conflicts (Somalia/Kosovo) ended. 30 seconds of Wikipedia was enough to confirm this.


This bears repeating for everyone who's missing the point.
 
2007-10-12 01:44:17 AM  
Devil Slide Wolf: I still dont understand how going to some south american country to party under the pretense of doing "HIV work" (whatever the fark that is) is serving the US??

She only drank imported (from the US) liquor.
It serves the trade balance.
 
2007-10-12 01:45:12 AM  
No, nuh-uh. Oh wait... was she a great big fat person?

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2007-10-12 01:49:47 AM  
0Icky0: Nocens: Don't give me that shiat.

WTF? Clinton didn't go into Somalia no matter how you feel about what he did with the situation there.


Oh, I see, we lost the pilots, rangers, and killed a few thousand Somalis in the middle of Mogadishu while Bush I was still President.

I must have been living on a Bizarro Earth and not noticed the rip between worlds that sent me to this Earth where Bush was entirely responsible for all that. Back on the Earth I come from, it happened under Clinton and his standing orders to keep going after the warlords.

Like I said, B-L-I-N-D-E-R-S.
 
2007-10-12 01:57:20 AM  
Elrond_Hubbard:

Chelsea Clinton was 13 and 15, respectively, at the time those conflicts ended.

Yeah, I'm sure she would've signed right up otherwise.
 
2007-10-12 01:59:16 AM  
There are other ways of serving your country than fighting in a war. Or did you not know that?


Troops would rather receive help on the field than lip service from the flag-waving, gay-hating, abortion-protests-having, conservative-radio-listening, liberty-sacrificing-for-the-sake-of-security crowd. They could really use some backup.
 
2007-10-12 01:59:50 AM  
Nocens: I must have been living on a Bizarro Earth and not noticed the rip between worlds that sent me to this Earth where Bush was entirely responsible for all that.

I'm correcting your mistaken point. I'm not arguing against anything else.
Talk about farkin' blinders.
Did you go ape shiat when your mother told you your fly was down?
 
2007-10-12 02:01:51 AM  
Elrond_Hubbard: Nice reading comprehension skills there, Lou. Did you know that "unchecked" != "un-invaded"?

What do you think she meant? Throw spit balls? Issue a "strongly worded letter"? That quote came when she was speaking on the Senate floor in support of "A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq." Her concluding statement was this: "So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. ... And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed."
 
2007-10-12 02:04:47 AM  
Alien Robot: And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed."

Wait...I thought Hillary was a namby-pamby liberal Mooslim lover who was going to surrender to the Islamocommumexifascist Caliphate?

Can't have it both ways.
 
2007-10-12 02:08:12 AM  
0Icky0:
I'm correcting your mistaken point. I'm not arguing against anything else.
Talk about farkin' blinders.
Did you go ape shiat when your mother told you your fly was down?



You didn't correct shiat. You tried to take advantage of a mistake in semantics and capitalize on it. Had your intent been to "correct me" you would have quoted the post I made the mistake in.

Such as:

"Somehow, I don't think Clinton would have gone into Somalia Mogadishu if Chelsea was in one of those Humvees in Somalia nor bombed Bosnia if she was even flying a stealth."

Go fark yourself, you lying sack of shiat.
 
2007-10-12 02:11:27 AM  
Nocens: You tried to take advantage of a mistake in semantics and capitalize on it.

In other words, I corrected your mistake.
You're just pissed that you were embarrassed in public. Even if it's only Fark public. You obviously have problems dealing with criticism of any kind. It's probably the result of being a dick.
 
2007-10-12 02:17:48 AM  
I'm actually kind of looking forward to eight years of Hillary as president, just because I love the thought of so many freepers losing their every loving minds...
 
2007-10-12 02:18:39 AM  
for the love of fark!!
This thread is without pictures of her sister, Barbara;

her sister is smokin' hot

www.kennerly.com


basic GIS came up with this, you T'Fers need to fix this wayward thread.. and the only [SOLN] is hot pix of Jenna Bush's sister!!!
 
2007-10-12 02:20:29 AM  
mr0x

Gore's daughter is also a writer. At least she's a lawyer and a journalist and a runner

Carful there dude, So is Ann Coulter on all 4!
 
2007-10-12 02:21:55 AM  
msnbcmedia2.msn.com


yeah... she's not smokin' hot, is she?
 
2007-10-12 02:23:03 AM  
fark me i gotta huge boner for Barbara the Younger!
 
2007-10-12 02:25:26 AM  
JSAN618: Gore's daughter is also a writer. At least she's a lawyer and a journalist and a runner

Carful there dude, So is Ann Coulter on all 4!


Having running vaginal sores counts as being a runner?
 
2007-10-12 02:43:36 AM  
RockIsDead: Elrond_Hubbard: Chelsea Clinton was 13 and 15, respectively, at the time those conflicts ended.

Yeah, I'm sure she would've signed right up otherwise.


Well, I guess we'll never farking know, will we? So while we're speculating, do you think Captain America would make a better president than Spider-Man?
 
2007-10-12 02:48:56 AM  
"Well, I guess we'll never farking know, will we? So while we're speculating, do you think Captain America would make a better president than Spider-Man?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_(comic_book)

Spider-Man supports the Superhuman Registration Act whereas the Cap is against it. Clearly, Spider-Man is more fit to run our country than Captain Unamerica.
 
2007-10-12 03:07:32 AM  
I'd hit it.
 
2007-10-12 03:15:52 AM  
Ermm. . .

Cyberluddite that's moran.

Actually, he had it right.

"Moron" was the proper spelling.
"Moran" is a town name in four states.


/Dr. Pedantic away!
//not responsible for Ctrl+F's executed during the typing of this commentary
 
2007-10-12 03:16:30 AM  
My friends are still way more awesome than she is.
 
2007-10-12 03:26:51 AM  
Would you like to follow in your father's and grandfather's footsteps and go into politics? -Mike Shewmake, Las Vegas

Absolutely not.


Well, good to get that out of the way!
 
2007-10-12 04:36:58 AM  
You might not have heard this on Fox News much, but this war is extremely unpopular with a significant majority of the entire country,

This is true. The argument goes: "Why should American soldiers continue to die when the Democrats take every possible opportunity to try and sabotage the war effort? Unless Bush is willing to enforce Atricle 3 Section 3 of the US Constitution, we're just spinning our wheels in Iraq, because the Democrats feel a need to destroy Bush and the war effort for their own partisan political purposes."
 
2007-10-12 05:14:50 AM  
All I can say is...

One for sister Jenna:
i63.photobucket.com


And one for sister Barbara:
i63.photobucket.com
 
2007-10-12 05:35:37 AM  
Nocens: 0Icky0: Nocens: I don't think Clinton would have You farkers have some real blinders on when you start identifying yourself with some B/S organization. Really, who is Clinton to you exactly that he deserves this unwavering loyalty for rationalization?

A: he's not bush.
 
2007-10-12 05:47:01 AM  
This thread is why I don't care what some Farkers have to say about anything. People who can hate and bash a girl just because they are someone's daughter are not worth listening or even responding to. People who attempt to argue by finding someone else's daughter to bash are just as despicable. Do you people even know what you sound like when you make these arguments? Seriously, we have some real scumbags posting garbage around here.
 
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