Reading that, she sounds like a chip off the old block. In other words, a moron.

xzisted: I guess that everyone who physically can fight should? Is that correct? There are other ways of serving your country than fighting in a war. Or did you not know that?

Perhaps, but if your daddy is the person directly responsible for sending the military off, based on lies and false pretenses, on an unnecessary venture in which 3800 (and counting) of our best have come home in wooden boxes and hundreds of billions (and counting) of our tax dollars have been wasted, it sure would seem like a fair question to ask you to consider whether you might have a certain responsibility to put yourself at risk, rather than the risk being borne instead by a bunch of anonymous, mostly poor kids.

KaponoFor3: My response from the other redlit thread:

I'm SHOCKED that this question came from San Francisco, absolutely SHOCKED.

You might not have heard this on Fox News much, but this war is extremely unpopular with a significant majority of the entire country, not just the people in San Francisco. This question could have just as easily come from Utah or Oklahoma.

KaponoFor3: Lots of people believe the only way you can legitimately support the war (or any other aspect of foreign or domestic policy) is to directly participate in it.

They must be opposed to Afghanistan as well, none of them seemed to sign right up after 9/11.

Cyberluddite: but if your daddy is the person directly responsible for sending the military off

Oh yes, the "tainted blood" theory. Can we apply that elsewhere? Or does it only apply to Presidents you disagree with?

Oh, and as I noted elsewhere:
The general consensus among the left is now that volunteer work with groups such as UNICEF is lesser than military service.

Right?

Boojum2k: Cyberluddite: but if your daddy is the person directly responsible for sending the military off

Oh yes, the "tainted blood" theory. Can we apply that elsewhere? Or does it only apply to Presidents you disagree with?

You might want to read the rest of my post there, champ, instead of simply quoting 13 words of it, responding to that, and ignoring the rest. I said it was a fair question, not that she was absolutely required to fight because her daddy is one who farked things up to begin with. Jenna, of course, came up with a classic Dick Cheney style "other priorities" response: "but there are many ways to serve our country, and I think my skills are better suited for teaching and representing the U.S. in Latin America through UNICEF." Yeah, great--that'll really fix the situation in Iraq that your daddy farked up and that you claim to support.

One of the first rules of combat is "do not draw fire, it annoys everyone around you."

It is totally impossible in the modern world for the child of a world leader to serve in a ground role in an active combat zone, particularly one where there are no front lines.

Don't get me wrong, I think she and her entire family are lying hypocrites, but in this case she is correct, it is a totally impractical idea, and would put the men and women who are, in fact, paying the price for Bush's Grand Adventure at unnecessary further risk.

xzisted: You think Dick Cheneys lesbian daughter ought to go over and fight too, just because she loves her bigot of a father?

No, she couldn't join up even if she wanted to--that whole "don't ask, don't tell" thing, remember? Oh, and by the way, Cheney certainly is an asshole, but I don't think of him as a bigot. Why do you call him that?

CowboyNinjaD: I hate Bush, but in all fairness, she's right about it not being practical for her to serve in the military.

Look what happened with Prince Harry. If she went over there, she would be a target. Insurgents would go out of their way to attack her and anyone she was with.

Well, that part of her answer is probably correct. The other part is a cop-out. And anyway, couldn't she perform a noncombat role in support of Daddy's war, either in the United States or some other place where she would be unlike to draw enemy fire?

xzisted: Its his whole say one thing do another approach towards the gay population. 'I support my daughter in all her endeavours', then turn right back around and oppose gay marriage and call for the removal of the don't ask don't tell policy. I'm not gay, but to me thats a bit bigoted.

I could be wrong about this, but as far as I know Cheney parts with his party's position on this issue and does not support a ban on gay marriage. He also appears to be supportive of his daughter and accepting of her sexual orientation. Asshole that he may be otherwise, these things are to his credit, and are commendable.

xzisted: My question is: Why should she be expected to, by anyone? I just disagree that it's a cop out just for not participating in a war that her father started and she did not.

She voices support for his war, and apparently expects other families to make personal sacrifices to allow his war to continue, as her Daddy is constantly urging young Americans to do. But she is unwilling to make such sacrifices herself and instead says that she intends to "serve her country" by working in Latin America with UNICEF. With respect to this war--the most divisive issue in our society--this is a complete non-sequitur, since that work with UNICEF in no way supports the war effort, and yet she tries to use that work as an excuse for not participating in the war effort.

If she had just gone with the "it would be impracticable" excuse, I could accept that. But it seems like an afterthought to her "other priorities" excuse.

Cyberluddite: xzisted: My question is: Why should she be expected to, by anyone? I just disagree that it's a cop out just for not participating in a war that her father started and she did not.

She voices support for his war, and apparently expects other families to make personal sacrifices to allow his war to continue, as her Daddy is constantly urging young Americans to do. But she is unwilling to make such sacrifices herself and instead says that she intends to "serve her country" by working in Latin America with UNICEF. With respect to this war--the most divisive issue in our society--this is a complete non-sequitur, since that work with UNICEF in no way supports the war effort, and yet she tries to use that work as an excuse for not participating in the war effort.

If she had just gone with the "it would be impracticable" excuse, I could accept that. But it seems like an afterthought to her "other priorities" excuse.

WTF is wrong with you people? 20 posts and no "She's HAWT!" God, I long for the good old days when a Fark thread about the hot, drunken daughter of the President would have been at least 60% "I'd hit it" posts.

Jeebus! I wish I could send you all to a reeducation camp. (don't worry; it would be full of beer and porn)

I can't take her to task for this.

I am a peacenik, a believer in dialogue, a delirious-deluded ponce that thinks there are better ways. I too try to serve my country by bettering it.

My father, a navy officer and Civil War buff finds that disgraceful. Part of me wants to reinstate the draft so that people begin to actually give a shiate about the military-industrial complex and part of me doesn't want people I love to serve as a metaphor for someone else's ignorance.

However, I get minor satisfaction in the fact that he also thinks George Bush is a delusional twat-waffle.

I'm the first to say that this administration is an evil, corrupt farking abortion and that the "war" in Iraq is bullshiat, completly unrelated to the "War" in terror but the "why don't the Bush twins serve?" is a tired argument. She's right, some people just aren't the military type.

KaponoFor3: My response from the other redlit thread:

If the war in Iraq is so noble, why aren't you and your sister serving our country there? -Donald Pence, San Francisco

I'm SHOCKED that this question came from San Francisco, absolutely SHOCKED.


If it makes you feel any better, I've heard this question asked in Iraq as well.

You don't have to be a Ranger to serve. Hell, I dated a girl who was an Armed Forces Network DJ. She played music on the radio in the morning, slept the rest of the day, and then did the evening news.

Pretty good gig.

I'm impressed at how thoughtful this discussion turned out so far.

/not being snide or snarky

Question 11: Are you still pregnant with a child conceived out of wedlock and is it from the seed of your finance or from the Paraguay soccer star you visited while setting up daddy's Eagle's Nest?

The military is voluntary. Why don't you people who are just INCENSED that she and Babs didn't enlist go ahead and support the draft if you want to force people to serve? Nobody "sends their children" into war. Adults make the decision to serve. No one decides for them.

Jenna does not insist that other families make sacrifices for "her father's war." In fact, Jenna does not have any say in policy whatsoever. HM! What are the chances?