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(SFGate)   California city bans smoking in private apartments. Why do they hate poor people and minorities that can't afford a huge mortgage?   (sfgate.com) divider line 66
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2007-10-10 09:46:15 PM
This will surely be strictly enforced.
 
2007-10-10 09:48:14 PM
Maybe if they quit smoking, they'll be able to afford a house.

Rent isn't much cheaper than a good mortgage, and with home prices falling these days...

Anyway cigarette smoke does permeate an apartment building. I don't need a fancy study to look into it, because I lived in one with some smoking apartments and the whole place stank.
 
2007-10-10 09:51:57 PM
Yeah, submitter. If Belmont loved poor people and minorities, it would be encouraging them to smoke.
 
2007-10-10 10:09:40 PM
Maybe if they quit smoking, they'll be able to afford a house.

Maybe that's none of city's, or your, business. Rent prices and mortgage prices may be comparable; but who's going to give them a loan? If you don't like the smell...move.
 
2007-10-10 10:12:51 PM
Oh so all minorities are too poor to afford a house? Nice work, racistmitter.
 
2007-10-10 10:22:20 PM
Randon: Maybe if they quit smoking, they'll be able to afford a house.

Rent isn't much cheaper than a good mortgage, and with home prices falling these days...

Anyway cigarette smoke does permeate an apartment building. I don't need a fancy study to look into it, because I lived in one with some smoking apartments and the whole place stank.


If you live in the land of low property values, renting is TWICE as expensive as a good mortgage. I couldn't rent a shiathole here for what I pay on a mortgage for a nice 3 bedroom with full attic and basement.

/ex-smoker
//the savings add up to damn near enough to cover the payments
 
2007-10-10 10:24:45 PM
Randon: Anyway cigarette smoke does permeate an apartment building.

Then the landlord can deal with it.
 
2007-10-10 10:31:01 PM
If the smoking Nazis win only Nazis will be allowed to smoke.
 
2007-10-10 10:36:20 PM
How about your neighbor who fries fish all of the time. That shiat can stink up a building as well. Lets pass a law against that too. Does your building allow pets? What if someones highly allergic to pet dander No more pets in any apartment building just to be sure. I can come up with a bunch more...

/it's not such a good idea to regulate what people do within the confines of their own home
 
2007-10-10 10:38:20 PM
Freedom is not free, it cost a good credit rating.

/It takes a Corporation
//Bill Gates will form his own government before Vermont does
///LFOD

slashies biatchs
 
2007-10-10 10:44:38 PM
When I walk through my building's hallway I can smell if someone is smoking in another apartment, but I can't smell it in my own apartment.

On the other hand if I open my windows I can smell exhaust fumes from the street below. Who's with me in getting rid of all these cars?

Without cars everyone could afford better homes too.

/ex-smoker
/believes you should be free to make the same bad choices I have.
 
2007-10-10 10:44:57 PM
www.mikesutley.com

////really
 
2007-10-10 11:07:38 PM
Randon:
Anyway cigarette smoke does permeate an apartment building

Not in significant concentrations that have EVER been shown to pose ANY hazard. Your personal dislike is NOT a hazard.

/Fark
//You
 
2007-10-10 11:09:00 PM
The smell of curry used to fill my apartment 3-4 times per week from one of my neighbors. That smell is horrible :(
 
2007-10-10 11:09:00 PM
Now if only they could do something about that "crime" thing.
 
2007-10-10 11:35:34 PM
EmmaLou
The smell of curry used to fill my apartment 3-4 times per week from one of my neighbors. That smell is horrible :(


So true. Been stuck in meetings on occasion with people who ate either curry, garlic or a heavy dose of onions for lunch. Smell is horrible.
 
2007-10-10 11:39:02 PM
Stupid Law. Surely it won't go much farther than a few cities.
 
2007-10-10 11:45:12 PM
This is crap. The government needs to mind its own farking business.
 
2007-10-11 12:03:08 AM
eraser8: Yeah, submitter. If Belmont loved poor people and minorities, it would be encouraging them to smoke.

Because not criminalizing == encouraging
 
2007-10-11 12:04:58 AM
Randon: Maybe if they quit smoking, they'll be able to afford a house.

Rent isn't much cheaper than a good mortgage, and with home prices falling these days...

Anyway cigarette smoke does permeate an apartment building. I don't need a fancy study to look into it, because I lived in one with some smoking apartments and the whole place stank.


Take a bath and maybe clean up around the place. That usually kills the smell around my place. Granted I do not know what to do about the beerfarts...?
 
2007-10-11 12:06:33 AM
Smokers, she said, have no constitutional right to smoke but nonsmokers have a constitutional right not to inhale other people's smoke.

That's a new one. Is this in the California constitution because I couldn't find it in the U.S. Constitution.
 
2007-10-11 12:11:37 AM
Randon
Maybe if they quit smoking, they'll be able to afford a house.

Rent isn't much cheaper than a good mortgage, and with home prices falling these days...


Umm, have you tried to buy a house in California lately?

No?

Then STFU.
 
2007-10-11 12:12:00 AM
Repeat after me, "you do not have a constitutional right not to be annoyed." Say it a few times until you understand it.
 
2007-10-11 12:13:30 AM
I love to smoke. I smoke 7000 packs a day. Okay? I am never quitting. I don't care how many laws they make. What's the law now? You can only smoke in your apartment, under your blanket, with all the lights out? Is that the rule now? The cops are outside: "We know you have the cigarettes. Come out of the house with the cigarettes above your head." "You'll never get me, copper. I'm not comin' out, see! I've got a cigarette machine right here in my bedroom."

\Leary
 
2007-10-11 12:14:48 AM
I could understand tying it to the sort of ventilation system the apartment has, but as far as I know modern building codes require every room to have their own HVAC unit with an outside air intake anyway, so I'm not seeing how this is a problem. It's not like apartment complexes have one central air unit that uses 75% return air or anything.

/stupid
//get someone who's worked on this stuff to write the laws
///or better yet, get smoking provisions written into the HVAC codes
 
2007-10-11 12:33:18 AM
They think they know what's better for you than you do.
 
2007-10-11 12:45:03 AM
I'm gonna pose this in a TFD thread, but would you be all for switching weed and tobacco on the drug list? I know I would
 
2007-10-11 12:54:19 AM
The managers at my apartment complex figured this out - the buildings were built as blocks of 8 units and they ask when you are approved if you have a preference for a smoking or non-smoking apartment. We live in a smoking block and our neighbors only comment about the aroma coming from our place on particular occasions:

1) Sauce making days. We make and freeze pasta sauce about 12 quarts at a time.

2) Cookie baking days. We'll bake enough cookies to feed both our departments - usually 14+ dozen. The neighborhood kids have learned on those days they can come to the door and get a free cookie.

3) Braised meat days. Imagine the aroma of oven braised lamb with garlic, rosemary and tomatoes; beef roast with garlic, red wine and onion or pork with sage, marjoram, shallots, garlic and white wine cooking in a low oven for 4-6 hours.

The most common comment: "Can I get that recipe?"
 
2007-10-11 12:55:16 AM
God, these nazis just love to stick a dildo up the smokers ass every chance they get. Take away every right they have and say it's protecting people. Private property rights mean nothing anymore.
Now as for this bullshiat of "I have a right to not breath your smoke. Shut the fark up, please. You have the responsability to take care of your own damn health. So just in case you really need hints I'll give them to you.
If a resturaunt allows smoking and you don't want to inhale second hand smoke. DON'T GO IN THE FARKING BUILDING.
If a bar allows smoking and you don't want to inhale second hand smoke. DON'T GO IN THE FARKING BUILDING.
If an apartment building allows smoking in it's units and you don't want to risk the chance that second hand smoke may seep in through the walls or ventilation system into the apartment you're in. DON'T GO IN THE FARKING BUILDING.
Now you can use this nifty common sense guide and apply it to just about any business or residence you may encounter to protect your health. This is alot simpler then passing laws that ACTUALLY violate our rights concerning private property.
Now please, if you feel these laws are just and proper, FARK off and die.
 
2007-10-11 12:57:21 AM
TheCid: modern building codes require every room to have their own HVAC unit with an outside air intake

There is no building code in California that requires HVAC. There is no building code in California that requires separate whole room ventilation (bathroom and kitchen are another matter).

Belmont, CA is in a temperate climate where the temp in the summer rarely reaches 80 and in the winter rarely dips below 50. Air conditioners are rare, and in some buildings, are banned due to noise.

So that smoke simply goes into all the other apartments, probably either under the front door our out one window and in another.
 
2007-10-11 01:00:08 AM
sexy-fetus: Now please, if you feel these laws are just and proper, FARK off and die.

Somebody needs a smoke.

Perhaps he will DIAF getting it.
 
2007-10-11 01:13:08 AM
I hope all you OUTRAGED Farkers move to Belmont, register to vote, and oust the politicians who passed this totalitarian law. Otherwise, shut the hell up. If Belmont residents don't like it, they can get the law changed either through the explicit political process or by civil disobedience. They don't internet glibertarians to piss themselves in anger about the abridgment of Belmonst citizens' rights to pollute everyone's lungs with foul stink.
 
2007-10-11 01:14:53 AM
* They don't need internet glibertarians to piss themselves in anger about the abridgment of Belmont citizens' rights to pollute everyone's lungs with foul stink.
 
2007-10-11 01:20:06 AM
Randon: Anyway cigarette smoke does permeate an apartment building. I don't need a fancy study to look into it, because I lived in one with some smoking apartments and the whole place stank.

The decision to allow/ban smoking should be up to the landlord, not the government.

I'm a cigar smoker, and the smoking ban here in WA sucks donkey balls. Instead of allowing business owners to decide, the retarded voters in this state decided to allow a nanny government.

Now, I can no longer smoke cigars in smoke shops, private clubs, and cigar lounges.

/Daniel's Broiler had to turn their lounge into a wine tasting room.
//Fark you, Washington voters.
///Fark you very much.
 
2007-10-11 01:27:18 AM
This is f*cked up. I have no problem with a landlord designating his property smoke free. If you don't like it, don't live there. But this is completely overboard. Banning smoking in private places (yes, this includes businesses...don't like it...don't patronize) is insane.

Fark a bunch of smoking bans.

/smoke free for 2 months
//it sucks
 
2007-10-11 01:33:26 AM
thalidomide new and improved: They think they know what's better for you than you do.

Sometimes, they're right.
 
2007-10-11 02:36:06 AM
California city bans smoking in private apartments. Why do they hate poor people and minorities that can't afford a huge mortgage?

Because the real taxpayers are tired of paying the poor people's health bills.
 
2007-10-11 02:43:22 AM
fta: "Do you want legislation that comes into your home and says you can't do something?" he said. "Do you want legislation that goes that far?"

FaR Out mAn.
 
2007-10-11 03:21:10 AM
I know I'm late to the party, but Randon has the most narrow, stilted view of things...

Maybe if they quit smoking, they'll be able to afford a house. Rent isn't much cheaper than a good mortgage, and with home prices falling these days...

Dude, your profile says you live in Minnesota. MINNESOTA. I know you can buy nice, single-family home on an acre for a mortgage that comes to about 1200/month. For most places in the country, though, 1200/month isn't crap in terms of housing. Taken to the extreme, I live in SF, where studio apartments in heroin-ville go for 900/month, and my studio is 1300. If I thought I wanted to buy something, one half of a duplex in the middle of nowhere would go for about a million. Forget a "house" in SF.

Belmont is barely cheaper - a "house" is a million, straight up.

Renters have the same rights inside their apartments as owners. I say, smoke the fark up everyone in Belmont.
 
2007-10-11 04:25:30 AM
From the article:
"'We're doing something no one else has done,' the mayor said. 'We're pioneers, and sometimes when you're a pioneer you get your head chopped off.'"

Farkin' commie biatch should get her worthless head chopped off.
 
2007-10-11 08:05:09 AM
FTA:

"We're doing something no one else has done," the mayor said. "We're pioneers tyrants, and sometimes when you're a pioneer tyrant you get your head chopped off."

Smokers, she said, have no constitutional right to smoke, but nonsmokers have a constitutional right not to inhale other people's smoke.

--------------------

Ehh? The constitution (state or US) limits the powers of the government not the rights of its citizens. And you're the farking mayor? Oh right, we are a 'Democracy' now. God help us.
 
2007-10-11 08:06:48 AM
if you can't stand the smell of smoke rent an apartment that is in a smoke free building.

this shiat is ridiculous.

it's a long stretch to say there's a health issue here. this is about pissy people being bullies because they can. smokers are everyone's favorite punching bag these days.
why don't they ban cooking? lot's of smells some asshats would complain about happening there. if you can smell cigarettes you can smell it if your neighbor loves cooking with onions, or eats fish everyday.
I used to live in a neighborhood where my neighbors house was maybe 10-15 feet from mine. when some crazy hillbillies moved in I could smell their cooking all the time. it was dank as hell, but I can't biatch and get their cooking banned because the smell wasn't to my liking. I don't understand the mindset of some anti-smoking people.

/not a smoker
 
2007-10-11 08:30:52 AM
mistahtom

Because the real taxpayers are tired of paying the poor people's health bills.

that's bullshiat.

if that's your concern then why isn't making drinking illegal a priority for you?
oh you don't mind paying for the liver failure of the poor? it's just the lung cancer you can't afford?

right.

smoking is legal. being poor is legal. get over yourself.

/this level of anti-smoking law is nothing but elitist asshats being dicks
 
2007-10-11 08:33:49 AM
nekom: /ex-smoker

Me too.

//the savings add up to damn near enough to cover the payments

How the fark much did you smoke? $5 (high) x 2 packs a day (heavy) = $10 x 30 = $300. Wanna trade mortgages?

/Sometimes still lust for a smoke.
 
2007-10-11 08:44:06 AM
The_Sponge: I can no longer smoke cigars in smoke shops, private clubs, and cigar lounges.

There's something wrong here but I can't quite put my finger on it....
 
2007-10-11 08:56:32 AM
Looks to me like if you wanted to pursue the happiness of a good cigar in the sanctity of your own home you have been screwed by the left. The liberals are taking away your liberties.


Because the real taxpayers are tired of paying the poor people's health bills.
The real tax payers in this case is the smokers themselves. They have paid way, way more to the government coffers with tobacco taxes than they will ever take out for health issues. Tobacco companies could make a profit at $.50 a pack, the rest is taxes fed, state, and local. What does a pack cost where you live?
 
2007-10-11 09:00:43 AM
So if I or any of my family members get second hand smoke illnesses from my apartment neighbors can I sue the apartment complex?
 
2007-10-11 09:04:41 AM
Saiga410: Repeat after me, "you do not have a constitutional right not to be annoyed." Say it a few times until you understand it.

Awesome! I'll begin blasting my Metalocalypse MP3s at 3 AM every night!
Then as a follow-up I'll stand on my balcony and shout through a bullhorn that everyone in America sucks except me!

If the tenants don't like it, they can move!

FREEDOM!
 
2007-10-11 09:06:20 AM
Tyee: Looks to me like if you wanted to pursue the happiness of a good cigar in the sanctity of your own home you have been screwed by the left. The liberals are taking away your liberties.


since bush II I'm usually considered a liberal and I think these type of 'nanny' laws are out of control.

I know many democrats who find this sort of thing as ridiculous as anyone. in fact when these kinds of laws started up at the county level in my area it was a republican who was pushing them.

asshats from the left pursue these laws out of a, "think of the children / mommy knows best" mindset
asshats from the right pursue these laws out of a, "if you can't afford a house you shouldn't be smoking anyway / I don't want to pay for your health problems" mindset

the common thread is that they're all asshats who don't understand the lines they're crossing.
 
2007-10-11 09:07:39 AM
Free Radical: So if I or any of my family members get second hand smoke illnesses from my apartment neighbors can I sue the apartment complex?

you could try.

if an apartment complex wants to keep their buildings smoke free for liability reasons or just because they feel like it I wouldn't biatch.

this is not the business of government.
 
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